*Not including survival mode (same judging criteria as the related video)

Mans clearly not a loot goblin

Strong Back is a quality of life perk, like Aquaboy. You don't NEED it, but it makes the game better.

I just love the fast travel after emptying EVERYTHING from the location.

I take every single carry weight perk in survival mode.

No rank 5 is essential in late game because how else am I gonna take my 3000 purified water to sell around the map

I get it because I'm a pack rat in games.

I usually agree with you guys, but couldn't be more wrong here. Survival gameplay reduces carry weight, and ammo has weight. Without strong back, you can pretty much only carry a pipe gun and a grenade without being overencombered.

Nope. As someone who, regardless of build, frequently weighs over 1000 because I can't be bothered to constantly return to base, the ability to run and fast travel when over encumbered is a must. "Cope". 🙄

I disagree for survival mode, you have so much less carry weight I find even for a pistol build you get over encumbered after one or two dungeons let alone if you go for heavier weapons. Outside of survival I absolutely agree with you though

For my merchant, Strong Back is a must for carrying my goods like water, chems, or even junk that I bought

It’s is a mandatory perk for me every time

Strong Back is a strict necessity in Survival Mode. Unless you enjoy walking home with your loot.

So, strong back is most useful at higher levels with the scrapper perk. With this you can get insane amounts of resources just by picking up literally everything. I've come back from single missions and ended up with enough over insane amounts of materials.

This perk is a must have for any type of play through I do

Look man, I can’t help it if I’m a greedy little loot goblin that needs every single piece of lootable substance that I come across. Don’t judge me!

the perk has literally saved me in multiple occasions

If you are into settlement building then you will need the strong back perk, at least to level 2. Scrapper too, but that’s another discussion.

My play style can be summed up in few words: loot ALL the things, if it can be picked up, I will pick it up, I'll figure out what to do with it later

I consider it a convenience perk. Not really necessary, but nice to invest in after your character's core build is achieved.

mofos when someone disagrees with them: eeerrrr duuhh they copying

I have a weapon for every hotkey and use them regularly, add in the fact that I use heavy armor and somehow always low on materials i need strong back. I got 11 strength plus strong back and im still hovering just below my max carry waight.

there is a glitch where you can tell your companion to pick up an object and they will pick it up even if it goes past their max carry weight, making your companion an infinite storage oppurtunity

"It's not worth it" mfs whenever you empty your entire inventory for 3000 caps

Forget character 'builds' if you're 'build' ing up settlements then you need this perk and every piece of junk you can find even with the companions carry weights. Especially in survival, settlement builds can be crucial.

If you horde stuff like me and constantly fast travel to a settlement to store items, then this is the most important perk you can have.

Strong back is essential to every build being able to carry more of everything and fast travel, When you hit your limit is absolutely a positive for anything and to say that you don't need the perk, that's just not right.

Feels so good looting a whole neighborhood then just fast traveling back Young me just use to walk back idk how I did that back then

Using a rocket launcher on survival mode I realised that this perk has its... well - perks

I am full heavy armor and full power armor tank build with lots of weapons and I am also a "packing mule" (I scrap everything I see to use it for massive construction around the commonwealth). Urbanizing, industrializing and mechanizing everything is just my thing in Fallout 4. When enemies see me at a distance, they scream: run, run for your lives! It's the crazy scraper man again! He gonna scrap our bones to feed the cows!

I just took it on my recent play-through. It’s nice to know that I can manage to take all I want want and not necessarily need to worry about running/fast-travel penalty. I like to build too, so maximum junk collection is very helpful.

Even if you're going Lone Wanderer, you can still take Dogmeat with you to serve as your utility backpack that bites back.

Fast traveling while overencumbered is really nice. Helps with settlement building.

Rank 3 in survival is an essential tool in the overall battle of, "not losing your damn mind" 😅

This perk is a REQUIREMENT in survival mode! Your carry weight is drastically reduced AND ammo has weight!

I have 610 carry weight with 17 strength and a standard load up that weighs 150. There are some dungeons that if I only pick up the weapons I still get over encumbered. Strong back is absolute gold! 😄👌

The perk is important for me because i always have a literal arsenal of weapons on me and am a compulsive hoarder

i love settlement building so me and my companions are typically either at max inventory or about to be, so fast travel while encumbered is a huge benefit. vertibird signal grenades are expensive and its still slow to use it all the time

You can also command companions to pick up an indefinite amount of loot

I traveled with a robot companion built for maximum carry weight plus all carry weight benefits and was still overloaded at the end of the day

It works for settlement building and selling things off to make caps. My build is a minute men build with high strength, charisma, and intelligence who makes use of improving weapons and science. So having the carry weight perks also helps with carrying a lot of things in the mid game for crafting supplies. Having gun nut 4 and science 4 with being able to store a lot of components for fixing power armor and weapons is good.

I've been doing this thing with 4's perks, where I level up specific ones that have the most to do with companions and other important NPCs - the character I'm playing now is Nora, in case you're wondering. That all said, Nate's perks would be as followed: - Gunslinger (because my head canon is that he was born in the West, hence his proficiency with handguns.) - Gun Nut (He knew how to mod his guns pre- and post-military service) - Steady Aim (because he kept his cool when he fired guns) - Quick Hands (he was always quick to reload when his mags were empty) Instead of leveling up 4 specific perks, I've opted to level up 7 perks for Nora instead - one of these perks being Strong Back because carrying Shaun was a burden for her, in a metaphorical sense.

You will allways have a few "spare" perk points and dunmping them on strong back is great because: - can easily gather a lot of junk to swap for high level weapons early, rather than selling stuff her and there to getvemough caps. You can just bring 3000x wood, as many chems as you want and more to pay for yhe stuff instead - you can then transfer large quantities of materials between settlements wothout having to invest in charisma - you dont have to worry about weapon or armour weight as much - you wont instantly get killed because you picked up 1 too many items in a fight - you can loot a full area in one go, which helps in larger areas - you overall will end up with more materials because you dont need to leave stuff behind, which you can exchange for stuff or build with. - you can easily move your weapons, armour etc to a diffrent settlement if you decide to change base camp, or want to kit out a sertlement in heavy weapons and armour.

Dude I’m literally a vacuum I loot EVERYTHING I see and EVERYONE I kill 😭

Personally I put points into Charisma to get Lone Wanderer for extra carry weight and Local Leader for settlements connected by trade routes. You don't get as much extra carry capacity as with Strongback but you get bonuses to damage resistance as well as having higher Charisma for the Speech checks to get the "good guy" solutions to a lot of quests.

i have played the game since release excessively and i've learned that the most important perk at the beginning is the ability to walk then walk faster and lately to fast travel when you're over weight. For this you need some strength at the beginning. You can get it with lvl30. Because you need ALL ZHE SCRAP you can get so you never need to buy anything. The second most important is the island ability, it gives you SO MUCH extra xp with everything you do EVEN IF YOU HAVE 10 INT which increases your xp anyways. FAST LEVELING is important so that you reach lvl30 quickly to be able to skill the fast travel even if over weight perk. If you have 10 int and that perk you can basically shoot your skill points anywhere. But i would say the third important thing is to get more from scrapping, since you use the pick up everything strategy. Lockpicking and hacking is also essential for almost everything in the game. it gives you a lot of xp and you can quick level your affinity to the companions

In general i keep a lot of weapons and armor on me along with a lot of aid gear. The ability to fast travel and still sprint while overencombered is super useful

No, you don't understand, I NEED every piece of scrap and material as well those mildly modified weapons (because of the scraper perk) in order to build every settlement to perfection.

You can command your follower to loot items and bodies and they have infinite carry weight this way. You just can’t open their inventory and add more stuff the normal way. Command - pick up - unlimited storage

Its fallout 4, where everything is valuable and needed at some point. Need caps, sell loot. Need attachments, get loot. Need Exp, Build frences from loot

I weigh 76,000 pounds with three pieces of sprinters armor and two powered pieces. Add jet fuel and I can move as fast, or faster (sneaking), than a normal build.

Don't forget kids, if you have a companion, you can order them to "inspect" items on the ground or enemy corpses, and they will pick anything up without question, even if inventory is beyond full. It's truly an infinite weight carry hack. I use it in Survival Mode to help carry all my loot!

I always max Strong Back out. Being able to fast travel after looting/buying hundreds of pounds of junk items and stuff to sell is a must for my Brotherhood character (my main playthrough) because I love settlement building.

You literally described my play style in the second half of this

You can get unlimited carrying capacity using the ‘point on companion, click, point on objects for them to pick up into their inventory’. Frankly, I got Strength 3 because I wanted the Blacksmith perk.

As a raider or a scavenger settler player byild the strong back perk helps to carry scrap for crafting and loot for the pile or to sell for caps.

In survival mode it's basically a must if you're gonna be doing lots of crafting and settlement building, unless you get a power suit with al the carry weight increase mods and always use it when scavenging

In survival the best skill setup is 5 strength 3 perception 1 endurance(dump stat for leftover stats 3 charisma 7 intelligence 1 agility 4 luck You’ll have a few perk points left so dump them on endurance for survivability or agility for stealth. Once you have all bobble heads you can get idiot savant, lone wanderer, attack dog perk 4(stacks with lone wonder) and strong back to have crazy carry weight as well as something like a 35% damage resistance(forgot how much but lone wanderer and attack dog grant a flat number to all damage that stacks)

On god, the level 4 of this perk is so good on non-survival difficulty. Making a water purification business is sooo good with it. Get a stack of 300-1000 bottles of water and with max charisma, they sell for 20 caps each. Thats 6000-20000 caps per trip, and by the time u get back after selling, it will usually restock. It just works.

Strong Back 4 is amazing to me as it let's me set up my settlements easier and later, once all the settlements are set up, consolidating junk for manufacturing becomes a breeze

Me, a mad mass scraper: oh yeah, now we're cookin'.

Overencumbered fast travel rules _hard._ Carrying a literal ton of crap around before needing to see a vendor is absolutely essential to my late game.

When duping materials to sell for money, fast travelling while over encumbered is a game changer

I maxxed it out because you always gotta be prepared (and by be prepared I mean carrying a minigun, Gatling laser, fatman, a quad barrel missile launcher, lots of junk, and a whole bunch of legendary armor that you keep forgetting to store somewhere

Survival Mode it's really handy. I've probably spent at least 3 hours of travel time to a workbench or vendor so far in my 12 hour playthrough.

I like this perk in survival because it lets you carry an additional 2 weapons plus ammo for them essentially so I'm not so limited in weapon choice.

It's a required perk line definitely for the ability to job and teleport while overweight. Essentially gives you limitless carry capacity.

As someone who views EVERYTHING as loot fodder, the moment I could fast travel over-encumbered, it was worth the point expenditure.

I’m a kleptomaniac, I need strong back perk

Though i do understand what theyre saying, its a very useful qol perk that does nothing but make the game better, its helpful early on when getting your weapons optimized and upgrading things as you play. Then you have the settlement building which is important in some aspects. Not to mention the ability to fast travel while over encumbered and move faster are both very useful quality of life changes

I like to carry multiple weapons to be flexible in combat. A shotgun for close range, an SMG or automatic rifle for medium range, a battle or sniper rifle for longer distances, a heavy weapon for when I need them the most, and a melee and/or pistol in case I run out of ammo for everything else. Considering how much weight all the weapons I'd carry have, it wouldn't hurt to give the perk a try.

“With good inventory management-“ I’m gonna stop you right there. I simply need to hold 2000 tin cans

I actually do a build based on this perk, my character always is overweight and you can get other perks and power armour modifications to reduce cost of AP while walking + modifications and perks that restore AP quickly. The pros of this build is insane, you can pick every junk, chens, and every loot from enemies to always have something to sell while bartering or have every material of the game on your inventory to craft/repair something without returning to a settlement. I legit carrying 20k lbs in my actual gameplay.

I'm a frigging loot goblin and Chem hoarder from my Skyrim days.

I’m a MESS I NEED fast travel while encumbered but you make a valid point fr

I’m more along the lines of ‘wanting to complete a modded armor set, that requires ballistic fibers, and anything else I find along the way is a convenience I can use later’ type of hoarder

It’s quite worth it in survival as you already have reduced carry weight. The rank for fast travel is useless but the reduced ap cost is well worth it when you are looting and forgot how much weight you have. But if you are close to a settlement, the ap will help get you there faster.

I'm currently playing a Fallout Warhammer 40K game ( mods - mods everywhere). Believe me, you need that headroom. Space Marines have different types, but rarely are they run-and-gun types. I have a machete (Imperial Combat Knife) for each damage type - Orcs, The Fallen, Scum,The Gene Stealers, Chaos Marines, the Dark Mechanicum, and so on. I also have selected pieces of Power Armour tuned to the Warp Energies they all align with. That's quite a few kilos. Until I recover The Stolen Heir I'm not all that interested in loot beyond the items for crafting upgrades and repairs. Oh, and Cait makes an excellent Battle Sister.

If you have the dlc strong back and moving target actually stack with each other since the "running" you do when over encumbered is actually considered sprinting by the game engine,there's also a point where you can have such a high endurance stat sprinting won't cost action points anymore. This game is really dumb sometimes but it's endearing at least.

Strong Back is not explicitly necessary for just playing the story, but for those of us who put hundreds of hours into each file, exploring every area, building up the finest of settlements, doing and collecting everything.... There aren't enough companions in the entire game to hold the amount of stuff we're going to pick up!

In a game where you are supposed to pick every piece of junk you find for settlement building and gear modifications, strong back may not be needed, but it most certainly gives you a lot more breathing space

That plus lone wonderer with dog meet gives crazy carry weight.

The issue with your logic is that I need to carry a gun for every ammo type all of my food and aid and I forget to take mods out of my inventory

Personally, I love Strong Back. I tend to be a total packrat and hoarder; I empty the junk from all my settlements, and take it all back to Sanctuary. I spend most of my time in Sanctuary, so I'm usually close buy when raiders (or whomever) show up. Anything I build at other sites relies on my provisioners and their trade routes.

It’s kind of essential for survival. But you level up so fast in survival that it doesn’t slow down your build.

its only usefulif you're playing with low strength but it requires high strength...

I've only picked this perk once, but I always noticed not having it on every other build. Especially when fast traveling.

I just have it for convenience, I’m a junk hoarder

Took the heavy weight stuff because I wanted to practice base to base building and loot drop off. Early game Id lpad up on junk and drop it off at any settlement, had then all interconnected by trade. Late game Im able to carry anything I want and fast travel overencumbered. Makes it easy to sell your ful inv to buy supply memos that weigh nothing. Dlcs finished funding my bases

I've got something like 30k carry weight these days with fully unlocked strong back. But I'm also in the endgame, just building settlements. But it's a rad perk.

Best way if to max the strongback Perk, dont wear any armour just your power armour and just loot everything go over your max limit it doesnt matter because you can fast travel and use AP to move

I use exploits to get to Level 100 right out the vault. So taking strong back to me is really just a quality of life thing. Being able to fast travel over encumbered comes in handy more often than you think.

Personally, for all Fallout games, I mainly focus on upgrading all the skills I think would be best for speech checks first

Strong back is a must. About 75 h into save. 50 lvl character and over 28k junk collected...

I don’t know if this gets said in the video since I’m only about 18 minutes in, but this is reminding me quite a bit of “The Color out of Space”. The only difference being that instead of a color it’s a sentient creature hellbent on destruction/assimilation.

wtf is this comment section

Just roll with a companion, fill their inventory, then send them back to base for the Lone Wanderer bonus to carry an extra 100 lbs before you meet up with them again

it’s literally the best perk in the game imo just because of the fast travel while over encumbered.

Oh, it is worth it. As a guy who collects everything from Gear and weapons to food and junk, it is worth it. For me, I always leave nothing behind. (And I always forces on perks that allow more options to upgrade my weapons, armor, power armor, and unlock and hack everything.)

To everyone saying “you can just use the companion carry glitch”, you're just confirming that in a normal playthrough you need this perk. You might as well say “just use mods and make your carry capacity unlimited”.