"How many times do we need to teach you this lesson, old man?!"

But Patrons tend to possess their followers all the time. Her Patron COULD be possessing her. 😂 And who's to say that its actually Delilah in there?

I’m going with the Laudna being a human phylactery

@@benschwartz3092 kinda what I was getting at

@@whotothewhatnow1 ah then I agree with u lol XD

What if Delilah is trying to find a way back from the dead? What if she is pushing Laudna to get some form of energy to enable her soul to pass back from the afterlife and into Laudna's body.

She’ll probably just ditch it just to play DnD anyway...

@@snkysqky8673 This is the best throwback of all time and it makes me happy

I just read Laudna instead of Laura and was so confused. But yeah, Laura is amazing

Most interesting outcome though.

I commented on that on the Reddit feed, then a horde of angwy simps hounded me for the comment.🫥

@@dapprligtnin98 I don't know why. It's obvious Matt was pushing. Not because Matt is a bad guy; Delilah was obviously wanting that stone and just pushed, and Marisha/Launda curiosity got the better of her. Couldn't have blamed her, who would have seen that coming?

Lots of people saw it coming. Props to Marisha for biting the blatantly suspicious plot hook, though! It's no fun if NOBODY ever accepts the devil deal.

@@danielvanpatten5815 Also...I mean I don't think Marisha predicted that so I'm not sitting here blaming her for it. Of course after D started talking it was all 'oh noes!' and in the future more careful but that's what makes it so fun.

@@danielvanpatten5815 honestly I feel like not taking the hook would just be kind of rude to the dm. Like “haha you can’t railroad me into this bullshit!” Besides, it’s obvious Laudna/Delilah would have done it eventually no matter what Marisha did now. And now, we have some petty drama between my new ship to spice things up!

it wasn't nothing, laudna and imogen were both down the majority of the episode and there were few moments of awkward silence between them. also, laudna tried to have a talk with imogen about that and imogen just went "nope". imogen clearly needs time to process what happened, so it might be a while before it's addressed further.

Delilah's going to take Laudna over I can feel it. Then there's going to be multiple sessions where they have to locate or create a soul gem to extract Delilah's soul from Laudna's body.

@@deathbykonami5487 I can see that happen, the cast are committed to high drama and something like that would really make it exciting but also as we can see quite heartbreaking already.

@@BaldursPicketFence Yeah especially since Delilah is the battery that's keeping Laudna going. Take her away and Laudna's nothing but a corpse. Unless there's an intervention from the Matron of Ravens and Laudna becomes her champion just like Vax'ildan did. Laudna would be brought back as an immortal wraith that can remain with Bell's Hells until her final business and settled and then she crosses through the veil to the Underworld

Like the man said, WHY WON'T YOU DIE?! :P

@@deathbykonami5487 I think Delilah will take over Laudna and battle with the rest of the party, and just for fun, here's my conclusion to Delilah if that happens. As she's lies defeated by Belle's Hells, she asserts that death is meaningless to her as she can resurrect herself again to start all over, and nothing can bring Laudna back. But then, a supernatural mist suddenly manifests around Laudna/Delilah, and she panics as shadowy hands shoot out of the mists to grab her. Delilah's evil actions combined with her resurrections within the Shadowfell have attracted the attention of a malevolent force greater than her, and she screams as she's dragged into the mists. Imogen leaps to save Laudna, but the shadowy hands were too quick and the mists dissipate, leaving Imogen to weep for her loss while Fresh Cut Grass comforts her pain. Delilah blacks out in the formless mists, and wakes up into what appears to be the De Rolo estate in Whitestone, but Sylas is nowhere to be seen. Could she have been dreaming all this time? She finds Sylas in a dimly lit ritual chamber but he only greets her presence with desperate coughs from his bed. She prays to a greater power for guidance, but her only answer was silence, and just as she gives up in despair, she finally gets an answer from an unknown entity offering to help her. Was Vecna offering his blasphemous aid once again? Although she could feel that something was amiss, she throws caution to the wind as she accepts, and Sylas feels the surge of something ominous. After a moment of silence, Sylas emerges quietly from his bed to face Delilah. She's overwhelmed with love to be reunited with her husband once again, but she can't help but feel that something has gone horribly wrong while he stares blankly without words. As she cautiously embraces him, a sharp pain overwhelms her, and blood pools beneath her feet, her love twists into confusion. Questions race inside her head, "Why? Don't you recognise me? Where did you go?" Her questions fall silent as loud footsteps echo from a creaking doorway. Oblivious to her bleeding, she runs into an empty hallway, and her search concludes to a nearby mirror. Delilah gasped in horror, it was Laudna staring back at her with bloodstained clothes, their hands met to the feeling of cold metal, leaving the surface painted with crimson. "What is this? Who am I? Where are you, Sylas?" Screams emerge from beyond the hollow estate, and Delilah gazes outside a window to a misty courtyard. Dashing towards the entrance, she is greeted with the sight of many pale writhing bodies, and from a distance with a trail of ichor, it was Sylas, mindlessly butchering anyone he came across. She screams his name, but her cries fall on dead ears as guards surround her to bring her back to safety. A few hours later, a servant informs her that Sylas was quelled by a band of adventurers, and as his eyes rolled back, Delilah's vengeful despair turned into ambition. No matter how many innocents have to suffer, no matter how little he recognises her new form, and no matter how many times he betrays her for an existence of butchery. She will always bring him back with the hopeless idea that one day, he will be at her side to rule as king and queen to a city of sacrifices. She remains oblivious to her status as a Darklord while remaining at the mercy of puppeteering by the Dark Powers of Ravenloft within her Domain of Dread.

Because they’re stupid af:) that’s all

Right, we the audience know this. The players know this. But their characters do not. All Imogen knows is that laudna said "let me see the stone, I won't break it.", then hands the stone back, broken. I'm paraphrasing, but it's not like some mystical light emmited from the stone or Imogen could hear inside laudnas head at the time. So, we will see how it plays out. But, like I said, first it was unbroken, now it's broken. It would be like finally getting your hands on a ps5, and your friend begs to hold it once. Then, when holding it, it breaks or falls. Sure it was an accident, but you would still be pissed off.

@@theberch To use your metaphor, it would be more like you finally get your hands on a ps5, friend asks to hold it and it suddenly just falls apart in their hands whilst they did literally nothing but hold it. I would not be mad at that and immediately blame them for it breaking.

@@monosito59 I’m also confused by this. I want to take it as Imogen just being shocked, but I don’t see how she thought Laudna did it on purpose.

Yasha attacking the party wasn't a betrayal?

@@worldeater2414 that's not the same though. In c2 only fjord really felt betrayed from what i remember (I'm up to episode 80 of c2 so if that changes I'm not aware). And travis and yasha didn't know each other that well. She was missing for long periods of time and it also hadn't been that much in-time game that had passed, probably around 6 months of a bit longer. On the other hand, laudna and imogen have already been together travelling for a bit over 2 years, and were each others only friend and only confidante. I mean, i think the whole first campaign must have been around 2 years to put things into perspective. We can't compare the two of them at all. Yes yasha was an inner-party betrayal but the only person feeling betrayed had almost no really connection to her. Whereas here we're talking about a completely different relationship between the two people when the betrayal happens

@@user-um7qr1cb3x So Jester crying out to Yasha didn't matter? Im not saying it's the same, but there is still a betrayal nonetheless and kinda like drama you can't put a gauge on it.

@@worldeater2414 oh it was certainly dramatic, i just don't think that she thought of it as a betrayal. she already knew she was charmed if i remember correctly. Both are certainly very dramatic moments that hurt for everyone invloved

@@worldeater2414 oh I totally forgot about it! though that was a very loud betrayal. I'm kinda intrigued by this one because it's fuelled by an irrational desire of Imogen's

That would be so cool. Like Delilah maybe has moved past coming back potentially and maybe she is just trying to give Laudna what she had/could have had

@@NSBWS So the woman who strung up multiple people from the sun tree as a warning has a good side?

@@psyberian I mean being dead changed Vax (from what I heard i never saw c1) maybe it changed her. Maybe not who knows

@@NSBWS I'd say more, but spoilers

@@psyberian I mean I know the show personally from some stuff but I never first hand watched it so yeah

do a one shot, chat with the dm

You and the DM work together on a scenario. You probably need an actual character on standby (or previously as a DM PC) that you can take over when your shit hits the fan.

It worked well in one of the campaigns I played in, one of the party members had pretty much been working for the main villain since the start, but we didn't know until the final battle in our last session.

depends on how deep imogen goes. if it's just surface level telepathic communication she won't hear delilah.

I’d really hate that

how would you know it's a spoiler without any context

@@Feasco Yeah how would I get a spoiler from "Laudna betrays Imogen in campaign 3 episode 23", what a mystery

So what. No one, in the heat of the moment, thinks rational. I believe this reaction was the most logical for it to feel realistic and in character.

None of Critical Role is scripted beyond Matt writing up notes for himself and the general story beats of what he plans to happen but the others don't know any of that as normal.

@@Jhakaro that’s why it is perfection at its finest (I didn’t wish to imply any form of hate towards the cast or the show, this is the best damn concept of dnd I have every witnessed)

Technically that’s true. But from Imogens POV, she have Laudna her stone and she broke it. Laudna can say it was all Delilah but this just planted a seed of doubt. Laudnas goal is to prove that her power is truely hers, so it almost looks like she broke the stone to give herself a boost

Hmnn ... Launda is a pretty flighty character so her motives for doing things are hard to fathom. I think she took it from Imogen knowing deep inside that what actually happened was a strong possibility that she did so to me indicates her arrogance in thinking she controlled the pact relationship when really it's Delilah who holds all the cards. Laudna has some serious bridge mending now and I suspect that Imogen will not let them share their mental bond for quite some time. I suspect on a PC level Marisha just had the biggest gut punch of any of the camaigns. Delightfully unpleasent DMing from Matt - give Laudna enough rope ...

Tbh Imogen is weird and my least favourite character in any of the campaigns. It kinda feels like she gets too much screentime. I dont dislike Laura persay but Imogen is a realy bad character. I mean compared to Jester and Vex she is just bad and kinda annoying.

@@eliaziversenpettersson395 thank god people can have bad opinions

@@Daliroo I mean yeah, people can like her if they want. I myself just dont like her as much as the others.

No, and I don't think Imogen sees it as betrayal either rather than her trust being broken

They know what the super fans want and they will give it to them.

Say what you will but it got us both here didn't it?

it's as simple as her acting understandably irrational

@@Feasco idk, to me it didn’t seem crazy at all

Why?

@@Jhakaro The "you lied" really. I mean Imogen and Laudna know a lot about each other and the struggles they're going through, so it felt really weird to have Imogen not think for a second about any of that when that happened? But again, if only one scene out of this whole campaign has rubbed me the wrong way, that's still a good record. Especially if so many people did like the scene.

@@wverms Imogen had been affected by the gem at this point, she craved it, she was losing herself, whe Laudna did what she did, in Imogen's eye, Laudna betrayed her, only after the gem is gone Imogens mind is clear as of what happened