I do have a question about C2, would it be worth it if you are using an er sands?

Tbh im only getting c2 furina cuz I accidentally c2 my nahida so now I'm on a quest to c2 all of current female archons

@@hithere-oi8vu you may as well do Zhongli and Venti, at that point, lol.

@@agentbluegaming7709 nah I won't be pulling for them

C2 is a must for me the only way to max fanfare with a single target healer is through c2, also you gain extra hp so that it allows you to switch from Hp goblet to Hydro Goblet with more room for dmg substats with her aftifacts.

i thought his name was kevin? maybe they changed it in the latest patch update

​@@bbysiea😂

@@bbysiea doesnt he have a sister or something? kate?

also the extra dmg for her makes things like sayu furinational viable (also if you've never tried sayu furinational please try it it's genuinely the most fun team ive played)

@@kontterswhat is that

@anhao2237 a team consisting of sayu, furina, bennett and xiangling. sayu is used as the on fielder to swirl hydro and pyro so that both xiangling and furina do massive damage, she also provides healing for furina and also does pretty decent damage herself if you're like me and you build her with crit. also the fact she's so fast allows u to spin around the enemy, so that xiangling's pyronado hits way more often in single target situations

Even Neuvillette with Prototype Amber is great enough for healing! I regularly used Neuvillette + C2 Furina + Raiden + Nahida in a hyperbloom team, and it deleted everything in its path! Arguably, the most OP team. I have C6 Furina now, so I can experiment with any team.

same

LMAOO

SAME LOL it eliminates needing a healer so she can literally be in any team

Ppl pull Furina's c2 not for her personal dmg, it have better buffer capabilities, easier to gain full stacks on her burst and more elemental dmg bonus buff

In hindsight, rather than the relative dmg increase staement I made, I shouldve just said Furinas kit shines the most in teams where she is not used as a big dmg unit, imo. Its a pretty vast oversimplification to say Furina C2 is a 50% dmg increase though, as Im pretty sure that number comes from treating it as if you get the max 140% HP bonus on her immediately, which is not the case (ever). Its a buildup still, and is tied to how much you can drain/gain HP (it does NOT count over healing, notably). Hence I think in the numerous possible teams Furina can be used in, 20% is a more realistic expectation. But Furina C2 is weirdly variable, as mentioned in the video lol. Depending on what you do with Furina and how much you like her it may be worthwhile, but I always recommend people evaluate based on the value of getting entirely new characters to play vs a dmg increase for existing ones. As an aside, the _potential_ the dmg increase it gives is why Ive often run an atk goblet on Furina, or a higher ER build than necessary, in order to balance out her dps for my videos so its closer to a C0 Furina and the results I have are more approachable for more players. But thats just for my videos and not relevant to most players lol

@@Solunerra Can't you reach 800 stacks instantly with C2 Furina, starting with 50% HP? 50% HP healed x 4 characters x 3.5 C2 multiplier + 150 stacks from C1 = 850 stacks total.

@@ninjagold9244not in spiral abyss unless you purposefully take damage which most of the time you get 2 shot anyway so it is better to rely on hp drain

@@ninjagold9244 yeah the thing is "IF you start with 50% hp" which is not always the case. It's the best scenario but not every scenario.

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What have I done If only C6 were still her C2 then this video wouldnt be a thing lol (and it would be the most broken constellation in the game because removing the need for a teamwide healer is bonkers. Like so strong that it may genuinely be worth getting C2 over time for F2P players. So maybe its a good thing they changed it to her C6 in beta lol)

Jokes aside, I do believe she has the best C6 in the game, plus she's my favorite character, so... Yeah

Same. I already have C2, but according to this video I shouldn't stop there, right?

@@Solunerra I remember reading that beta and being so sad when they changed C2 to C6 because i love her animations so much and a badly wanted to on field her, in hindsight yeah its for the best it got changed to C6 given how broken it would be, and also its a massive "carrot on a stick" for suckers like me who want to use Furina with the hydro infused sword on field!

Go for c6☠️

C3 does make the relative value of C2 higher, since C3 vs C1 can now be 125% frontloaded dmg bonus vs C2. (Edit: C1 enables easy 87.5% dmg% immediately frontloaded, C2 enables 100%, and C3 enables 125% in conjunction with C2) But I was specifically speaking more from my personal experience using Furina C2 of course, I do not have C3 and dont intend to get it.

As a fellow C3 haver I now sit with the tough choice of, A: C6 and fulfill my dream of Furina as a main DPS... Or B: Save primos for up coming Natlan characters that are most likely going to be game changing, just like how Fontaine was... (And ya bet'cha im rushing A head first!)

@@Zoshiao go for furina rerun, get as much copies as you can->save for natlan after her banner ends->wait until her rerun again and complete the c6, thats what Im gonna do lol

@@Zoshiao Gonna be going for Sigewinne myself on the upcoming banners, as C3 Furina is enough for me.

"That happens once every 70 years.."

your username is very relatable

He's being held hostage by the pyro archon at this point

prove what? to who?

​@@Apate- to level 55 co-oppers

You can't even use your Furina at Co-op, because Furina mains will have C6R1/R5 Furina

I got C1 Furina without knowing how good it was just because I liked Furina and wanted to spend every last primo on her, the thing is even with just C1 the teams become so good to the point where I feel the downgrade when I switch her to another characters. one of my best investment in Genshin that I thought was useless. I sometimes use her with arlecchino with Layla and it's better than kazuha in that case

FVape C2 Furina with Nahida/Instructors Sapwood Bennett/Jean or Kazoo on VV is so fun to play. Crabaletta deals 250k+. Kazoo/Jean procs Burgeon.

The damage bonus of c1 is only around 9% compared to the 30% of c2. C1 is a great comfort con but is insurmountable compared to c2

@@Kisumu_ is this team damage or her personal damage? Because it should be higher

I have c3 😏

C5 Kaveh..

I have C4 and I didn’t even pull on his banner 😭 like go away bro I don’t like you 😭

@@lilypad2714 😁

@@lilypad2714 well give him to me

As a fellow C2 Furina, C4 Ayaka, C2 Arle main, pairing these 3 with Benny boi clears anything in Ayaka's burst window.

He started the video off saying he doesn't regret having c2 and does say multiple times it's a good constellation. As always with 5 star constellations it's less "is it good" but "is it good enough to get instead of a whole new character to play with" Do you care about the clear time past getting 3 stars? If someone's answer to that is no that you're correct here doesn't really matter to them.

I mean yeah, I was trying to show when Furina C2 can be useful lol. I was abusing it to demonstrate the idea and show the nuance it where it is useful, while mentioning contexts where it wasn’t. Front loaded buffing is something you can do with Furina teams at C0 though lol. Thats kinda what I was saying. C1 is better for frontloaded buffing utility in more contexts. C1 (a prerequisite for C2) can get you 350/400 stacks immediately with a team wide heal, for a total 87.5% frontloaded dmg bonus, with the remaining 12.5% usually taking seconds to get the rest of (with as little as two hits from the different summons). C0 Furina in that context is 200/300 stacks immediately, for 50% dmg bonus with an additional 25% remaining. So C1 gets you to 87.5% immediately, and all C2 does is take you to 100% immediately. C1 is doing WAY more than C2 for the purpose of frontloaded buffing in normal Furina team contexts, then. Most players would notice the 37.5% difference with C0-C1 but not notice the 12.5% for C2. If you add C3 into the equation (another 25% total dmg bonus iirc), it becomes more significant. But thats not C2 lol Obviously the exact amount of fanfare will vary in practice, but Furina is someone you can get more out of through knowledge/skill expression than needing to get cons for. Dont let me stop you from getting it if you want it. Im just saying her C2 is more nuanced than most people make it out to be. Its still one of my favorite constellations in the game, but isnt necessarily “worth” getting

Watched the video with your ears closed

@@Solunerra yeah, I got lucky and kept winning 50/50 so I’ve been enjoying C2 since release, but like with any 5 star no constellation is worth it in the grand view of the game. It’s just the extra stack gain for every HP change just speeds things along and allows you to put a hydro gob on her to squeeze even more usefulness from her kit.

@@blueberrycrepes cheers bud

Same kinda just gonna wait for next rerun or invest elsewhere, especially when the new game mode requires more characters and less overall damage

I have the same doubt since I want to use furina with Clorinde and already have c1 and idk if get the c2 or save for latter.

noelle gets stacks fast even at c0, neuvillette does too, clorinde also gets it fast enough, but single-target healers like bennet or kuki do not. now iirc, c1 is the constellation that multiplies the speed of the stacks, so at c1 everyone works i guess.

Ngl, i don't have any issues with her er lol. I didn't realize people did have issues.

@@justenoughforacoffeeI think he is talking about energy recharge

@@user-dm5qj8zy8x yeah thats what I mean. I don't actually know why i typed Hp. I think it was the part of the video i was at.

@@justenoughforacoffee That depends on the teams you use and rotations

@@brahmageos no i realize. I was just saying I've never realized people have issues with it.

if want c2 it's especially good for teams where you don't have a teamwide healer (teams with bennet, kuki, diona, even neuv, any proto amber holder) the only teams where it doesn't do much are teams with characters like xianyun or jean, or other teamwide healers, but those healers generally provide less offensively than the single target healers (bennet, kuki specifically) c2 would definitely be a bigger increase to your team damage than alhaitham's weapon especially if you're only using kuki (i'm assuming your kuki can heal 25k per rotation (about 30k hp and talent level 9) you'd be able to gain 200 stacks from the drain over time and another ~ 150 assuming your characters don't have a lot of hp. but on average you'd max your fanfare at around the 9 second mark, vs with c2 it'd be about 2.5 seconds, leading to your average dmg bonus increasing by about 30-50% which IMO is better than the difference between a f2p weapon and a signature (TL:DR furina c2 > lofi in alhaitham quickbloom)

C2 is actually kinda good on Alhaitham teams because it uses Kuki who is not a very strong healer. I use Nahida on Prototype Amber with Kuki and it works fairly well with my c1 Furina but it does take a few seconds to ramp up to max fanfare. C2 also has a bigger impact for Furina herself because her stats are hard to balance when she is the sole hydro on a team. She almost can not balance her crit, hp, and energy stats without godlike artifacts. C2 lowers her hp stat requirements by a lot so you can just focus on crit and energy.

the fact the meta switching never meant old strategies stop working. meta is a lot like a fad tbh.

Its Kaveh, I think his first banner is announced for version 7.5!

Id say it depends on what your healer situation looks like. I personally think I undervalued the strength of Sigewinne/Furina as a combo before actually playing them together. But I also have Furina C2 so when I actually spec a team into getting more dmg from Furina its more noticeable. At a baseline though, Sige make Furinas energy meeds lower, gives hydro resonance, and buffs Furinas off field dmg, which makes for a 2 unit combo that can be very strong (because Furina can be focused more into damage). I should have a video using hybrid buff/dps sigewinne tomorrow that shows some of this strength. With that said, I had enough options for healers that having Sigewinne or not is certainly not the difference maker in being able to clear content. If you have Kokomi, its likely that Sigewinne is much less worthwhile

​@@Solunerra I only got bennett xD. Or i have few 4* healers but they arent build so...

She will probably double your damage

As a C1R1 neuv and C0R1 furina haver, I can definitely say the two are extremely synergistic and the damage increase and even her personal damage is second to none. Just make sure you have an off-field healer

@@ABC-yj6cy got her! Thanks 🙏 And I have several healers. I love her 😍

@@freeeggs3811 got her! the increase is definitely noticeable. I tried a mono hydro team with her AND Barb and that worked quite nicely 🤩 thanks!

@@ABC-yj6cy on a neuvilette team? no need.

It's exactly like he said in the video!

@@dleise not really, he said it isnt worth it if youre not taking advantage of faster stacks on teams with poor healers and Im saying it is worth it even on teams with strong healers cuz instead of waiting for her stacks, you get it basically instantly.

She CAN get max stacks for you quickly at C0/C1 though. Its a matter of how you end up using her. But yeah, as I said, unoptimal healers (which includes and unbuilt level 20 charlotte, yeah), are the main context it can be abused and can be valuable in. If you are always using her with Yelan, I can see why you notice it more since double hydro increases the relative dmg contribution of Furina too by having lower ER needs. I dont think Furina is at her best with double hydro though, but obviously different people can have different preferences for teams to use her in. Hence my argument being a wishywashy “probably maybe shouldnt get it” kind of argument

@@Solunerra I dont even have Yelan tbh, I just dont like the slowness of her buff so to me, the faster Furina can reach max, the better for the team, she is always on fav too even tho I have festering desire cuz to me she really doesnt need the extra dmg lol. The main thing about c2 imo is that she can do that even without a good aoe healer which rn we dont exactly have options that can justify their slots on the team(having to use Jean instead of Kazuha on a team or using Xianyun just for the heal and vv and ignoring her whole plunge thing as examples). I totally understand the argument because it is indeed a little less value than it seems but at the same time I would not trade her c2 for more characters at all but thats just me. Dont know how you feel about this but I really take my time being picky about who I pull for because most of the time now I prefer cons over new characters, I just dont feel the need for new gameplays that much, maybe it is the side effect of being an 1.0 player I guess.

@@Solunerra Correct me if I'm wrong, but assuming you're taking no damage outside of her skill HP drain and starting from 50% HP on the party, C0 Furina = ~4s to reach 300 stacks after full heal and skill HP drain. Under the same situation, C2 Furina can reach 800 stacks instantly. If you're starting from full HP, C0 = ~13s relying on skill HP drain alone to reach 300 stacks. C2 takes 2s to reach 300+ stacks, 3s to reach 400 stacks, and ~8s to reach 800 stacks. I think C2's value can come from its ability to quickly gain stacks when your team is at healthy levels of HP when you activate Furina's burst.

Yup, its also dynamic which means it cannot be snapshotted (its a good thing)

it buffs the entire party. that's quite rare indeed

IMO Jean would appear to ruin your 50/50 at any time, and she would be enough, even qiqi, kokomi is valuable but only if you lack of hydro on field or something.

my c0 navia's E hit for nearly 400k on a hyper team with c2 furina in it. her normals did up to 100k damage per hit too (well, more like 3x35k on that spinny part of the combo). does that answer your question? because otherwise idk, i already had c2 furina when i got navia.

I got my c2 furina with 100 wish.. i think i just over lucky

Prototype amber is enough for furina drain? Whats your refinement on prototype amber? You comfortably stay above 70%?

@@billcipher1702 I actually cant always heal as much as I'd like but it works for me. It's r5, probably as many refinements possible are preferable.

@@neoslayerpw8230 what team you running with nahids with prototype?

even at C0 this weapon is amazing on her, she stacks the weapon’s 3 hits quite fast, teams that use em benefit a lot from it

The difference is not much. My Furina has about 50k hp with Key, which provides 100 team EM. At max fanfare stacks, the HP increases to 70k, which provides 140 EM, an additional 40. However the increase in EM doesn't happen off field as you have to switch into Furina to register the higher HP. Then ts also hard to get 70k hp fast on a team with Kuki, so realistically you're only seeing 60k hp which is a 20 EM increase. Overall the difference is quite negligible

i have both. c2 furina provides at least 3 times as much value as c2 nahida. c2 nahida increases her buffing capabilities by roughly 20% more damage. furina increases by way more. like 50%. not to mention furinas's way more flexible with teams, while nahida will lock you into a niche that isn't even very strong. plus, and this comes up more than you'd think, nahida is a debuffer, not a buffer. when there are many waves of enemies that die fast, like in events, or some abyss chambers, nahida is just south of useless, because she can't keep enemies cursed when they spawn faster than she can use her E. c2 nahida ain't worth it. she does all she needs to at c0

just save it for another team

Ur losing out on neuvs passive in that team, an anemo character would be op

@@Suuuushj1 no, im fully aware of what im doing. While yes, im losing some damage, i find this team fun and it still clears abyss no problem. I dont even use furina with sub dps, shes pure healer because I dont use Charlotte's heal on this team and i dont need neuvi to start at 50% hp because he gets all the stacks for furina's burst by making his hp bounce like a rubber ball and this team instead utilizes furinas spill over healing.

@@Suuuushj1 also this utilizes Layla's c4, making up some for lost damage. Throwing an anemo character into there would actually make me slower, because I have a rotation that the most thought that goes into it is "i better not have that camera device activated."

@@justenoughforacoffee c6 Layla must be dumb broken if u clear abyss with no problems with a not that well built Charlotte and a healer furina. Insanely hard to believe u cleared this abyss with that team, withOUT a problem

@@justenoughforacoffee bro I believe u can clear abyss with that team, I believe u can do it in less than 30sec. But I do not believe that a anemo character would be worse, no way

It's basically a 10% team dps increase over C1.

furina is literally her best team mate. there are zero downsides to using furina in a noelle team.

Bennett is a weird case since there are teams where he can be made to be a ideal healer with Furina, and there are teams where he isn’t. You can do things like building him on Maidens with a healing focus and he can overheal your on field unit and even trigger Furinas passive. So basically hes weird enough with Furina that I didnt feel like getting into it. I feel the main thing Furina C2 does enable with Bennett is not needing to worry about Bennett healing, so you can do things like 4pc instructors on him still (like I used this video)

no. it'll kinda work but it'll be half-assed

Yes, I tend to use Prototype Amber instead of a better 4 star weapon on Neuvillette because I value the team wide healing he provides in that team. It also drops my energy needs to 0 and can use those stats on pure damage so it tends to perform pretty well. Can often do about 40k damage charge attack ticks in Spiral Abyss with a Prototype Amber. This is usually good enough to clear most chambers in seconds.

@@AzureDrag0n1 but if you have his signature it's not even that hard to do 70~80k with c2 furina in the team. it becomes hard to justify prototype amber. his book is INSANELY good, one of the best weapons in the game. a lot of characters can make great use of it, including klee, wanderer, yanfei, heck, even reverse vape charged attack mona and barbara. if you have neuvillette, i highly recommend his weapon. great value for the entire account. the only bad part is that you'll have to save up around 220 wishes to guarantee you'll get it 😓 but hey, it will probably happen sooner than that, then you're left with a lot of wishes to waste on whatever you want later.

@@GenshinYuppe That requires pulling on the scam weapon banner and not actually getting his weapon. You have to give up 2 or 3 characters to get his weapon.

@@AzureDrag0n1 that's worst-case scenario, and that's why i said you have to save ~200 wishes (it usually comes within 150, and you have some refunds via duplicate four stars, but~). if you don't make sure you can guarantee it, it's not even worth trying. and like i said, if you get it early, you still can get characters with the remaining wishes. honestly it comes to a point where weapons have better value than characters because they enable the ones you already have to be more viable. Also, you get weapons even when you lose 50/50, and those can be useful too. but you're not wrong, the weapon banner is pretty scummy. probably not worth on a new account, unless the other weapon in the banner is also good

@@GenshinYuppe Personally I can't think of any reason for his weapon other than for beating those max difficulty whale events that have bosses have a 100 million hp or something. I already beat Spiral Abyss in seconds using him.

I run her with xianyun who has 3500 atk and 206 ER in a xiao team..idk if her constellation would be an upgrade or not

@@soujiokita6062 Furina’s c1 should be good. Basically, c0 burst gives 0-75% bonus dmg, while c1 gives 37.5-100% bonus dmg. Furina’s c2 does two thing: 1. You don’t need team-wide healer to get dmg bonus from Furina’s burst 2. Furina does a bit more damage If you want to run her alongside Xinyun (who’s a team wide healer), then [1.] is obsolete, while [2.] on its own isn’t that good TLDR: Furina’s c1 is worth it, while c2 is not

C1 is a great constellation because it provides a comfort boost, while only offering around 9% team damage. It adds a front-loaded effect for more sustained DPS. In certain team setups where the healing comes late or uses a single target healer like Bennett or Kuki, it can help to enhance their viability because there is less fanfare to build. However, this is not as significant as her C2, which greatly improves the viability of single-target healers. This is not to bash C1 it is great just not as good as it seems. C2 is also better than it seems.

her weapon is nearly useless. not worth it at all. c2 is totally worth contrary to what he said

can confirm that diona is pretty good with furina and wanderer

I'm getting c2 either way (c1 now and guaranteed) but I'm also torn between getting her signature or trying for Key again (3rd times the charm I guess, lost it twice). Especially considering the other weapon on the banner is a complete brick, just like last time. Then again we don't know who Nilou will be rerunning with. If it's Emelie her spear is also not the best, maybe for Xiangling on a burgeon team. It's an ok crit stat stick ig.

@@bjornnilsson2941 Leaks say she'll be paired with Navia, so do with that what you will! I personally have her so thankfully Verdict wouldn't be TOO big a loss... though I'd rather honestly get one of the standard banner polearms or swords were I to lose xd

@@idkman2522 oh? How reliable is that leak? I wouldn’t mind losing to Verdict either, since Navia is one of my fav DPS too.

@@bjornnilsson2941 Y'know, always take leaks with a healthy pinch of salt, but this is allegedly by the same leaker that accurately predicted the 4.6 and 4.7 banners, so I'm personally choosing to believe it... probably at my own cost :')

@@idkman2522 We'll probably hear it from Hoyo themselves before the banner goes away, so I might hold off for now (has nothing to with the fact that I'm dead out of gems right now! 😅)

Yeah I forgot about her. Noelle is actually one of the contexts where C2 can make her more comfortable to play with Noelle as the solo healer, especially since slightly unoptimal situations can result in Noelle teams with C0 Furina getting stuck at 50% HP.

​@@SolunerraYeah I notice that with c2 furina does she help alleviate that problem?

Her c2 is insane bruh 💀