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The fact George is trying to distance himself from what he did the night before by wanting to show JP a good time, suggests he is ashamed of, and cant face up to, what he has done. Likely because George himself has been a victim of abuse, he can't handle being thought of as an abuser - so he accuses JP instead. That part of this I can follow. But the sadistic manipulations suggests George to be a psychopath, so the writing of this I feel could have been more consistent.

@@Tvjunkieful12 can u explain when George was abused bc I’m unaware of this

@@nazminar4327 His behavior in the first scenes here suggest he was, because he tries to make it up to JP by showing him a good time (apologetic behavior), and because when JP wants to talk about what happened, George tries to avoid the topic (suggesting he feels ashamed of what he did), but since he doesn't apologize, but instead make accusations against JP, that suggests the topic is too painful for him to talk about. And when George himself confronts JP if he sees him as an abuser, that strongly suggests - since that upsets George so much, and was a conclusion he jumped to immediately, that he himself has been a victim of abuse, and therefore to think of himself to be one is something he cant face. All and all it seems like George felt unfairly humiliated (and rightly so) when being reprimanded after Nancy complained about him, but because he had to hold his tongue (and fists) at work, let it all out on JP when he got home from work. People who are scared of standing up for themselves, even when they rightly can do so, but instead take it out on people not as strong or powerful as them, is quite typical for bullying and abuse victims who themselves becomes bullies or abusers. Having said that, later in the scenes there were also elements suggesting George to be a sadistic psychopat who felt himself powerful and smart by manipulating and confusing JP about what was what. But those lines and scenes (planting his police id next to the body bag, as an example)seemed more soap foam than they felt authentic (not only would not a dead body be left outside the scene of the crime, it would have been at the scene until it was transported away, but leaving the police id next to the body, had one of his superiors seen what he did, would have left him in serious trouble - might even would have delayed an eventual promotion.). But the first part of these scenes, is a very authentic depiction of an abuse victim turned abuser trying to first distance himself from what happened, and gradually trying to rewrite history to avoid being confronted with his own guilt and shame, but instead is trying to make himself the victim in JP's eyes. But that type of personality and background does not fit with the sadistic manipulations that followed AFTER JP had begged George to get back together with him. An abuse victim would only have applied such techniques to escape being confronted with painful issues. After JP had stopped trying to address the punch, George would have returned to plan A - distancing himself from the night before (and the scary thought he himself could be an abuser) by being on his best behavior, and showing JP a good time. He would not have continued manipulating and attacking JP after JP had stopped trying to get him to talk about the night before.

@@Tvjunkieful12tbh I don't see why he has to be abused too just because he's apologies and didn't want to look like he was abusive and asked if JP was scared of him. I'm sorry but that's what manipulative people do too. Sure people who got abused might be at risk to just end up the same but it's not always the case. So idk if they'll go that road with George.

run

is he single?

Aint no good looking scottish man worth all the bs lol

Or a woman on their partner

Kirsty Mcgurk People seems to forget that women aren’t push overs and more than capable of abusing others.

@@reginaldphalange9036 I know that. I was just referring to this specific type of situation.

People who hits others (20% of domestic abuse victims are men being abused by women) either are psychopaths with a need for control or to demonstrate power, or have some form a trauma related to violence or abuse (have been abuse victims themselves, or have had one as rolemodel). In the case of the psychopaths I agree, run a mile. But the other groups can change having benefited from therapy. Provided you succeed in getting them to seek help.

No, this should say, “To anyone out there who may be in a similar situation, the first time your partner puts a hand on you should be the last time.” This is not about gender so don’t make it about gender.

Sorry to hear about your bad experience. And this being a soap, I suppose you are right this is only the beginning. But depending on whether George is supposed to be a psychopath, or just an abuse victim turned abuser, it might not be the end for him and JP. If the latter, therapy could help him sort out his issues, so he would be able to control himself, and not lash out, should something go against him.

Looks like James has eyes for John Paul’s ex-husband

@@MariaSilva-jc9jq lol oh wait

JP is a kind man who wants to please others, so when he feels George is upset, he feels sorry for him and wants to make it better for him. So despite George is not willing to see things from JP's point of view, JP does his best to see it from George's.

Me neither

oh, I've been that kind of guy and it's not cool.

You don't remember Laurie?

He was a complete pain

@@ashleyfaminial964 Laurie though😍

Ryan

No wonder serial killers have it easy with women

Fr

There is a difference if George is so embarrassed over what he has done, that he cant face up to accusations or discussions of being an abuser, cause he has traumatic experiences from being abused himself, than if he is a psychopath who just manipulates and abuses JP cause it makes him feel powerful and in control. The former can easily be helped through therapy - the latter is a serious personality disorder.

I thought it was they usually apologize and say they won't do it again

@@Tvjunkieful12 I'm guessing u like George

@@emmacroker5603 Not as he is now. I used to like George, as the character he was when he first appeared, yes. At that time I thought: finally a police character who is not crooked. That is a while back now. And I also think the way the show has angled the abuse and manipulation SL is a little too over the top to be believable. I don`t know if you are familiar with the UK police drama The Bay, and the character of Andy in the second series. He, because he lies to both his children and his former partner, Lisa, manipulates them. But the reason he does so is fear of being rejected if he is himself. Even when his lies have been exposed, and Lisa asks him to tell their children about the girlfriend and child, their half-brother, he has in another city, he is so cowardly that instead of coming back with her, he abandons them all yet again. Not because he wants to inflict pain on them, but because he doesn`t dare to face them, and tell them the truth. That type of reaction and motivation is very believable, in certain types of people. And also quite easy to improve through therapy. The motivation and actions of George at the moment, far more rare (and also near impossible to improve with Therapy, since that type of individual tend to be more focused on manipulating therapists, than to be treated by them). That type of disorder is so rare it is more common in movie scripts, than in real life. In movies an individual isolating their spouse or partner in some far away location, to keep them under control, is more common. Most of the people, even those who manipulates to avoid in laws, family members or friends of their partner, who tend to isolate themselves and their partner, tend to do so not because they intend to manipulate, but because they feel insecure or fearful (rationally or irrationally) around the family and friends of their partner. The reasons can be many, from feelings of insecurity to negative experiences with their own family they fear could be repeated. But these type of conditions also are fairly straight forward to treat through therapy. But when series like Hollyoaks focuses their attention on the zebra cases, rather than the more common horse and donkey cases. There is a danger many viewers who have family members with traits similar to George, will identify those, and believe the person they know to be just the same type as George is being depicted to be, is just as manipulative and ruthless as George is. Even though in most cases the similarities with someone like George is minute. But because people believe them to be similar, people who have gone through therapy to win back the trust of their families, could come to be rejected, because their family believe them to be as bad as they have seen George be against JP on the show. Had George been a police officer with less severe issues, I would have liked the character better. I also had hopes the abuse SL was more complex, focusing more on why George manipulated and hit JP, than how he did it. And that because of this George would receive therapy and change his behavior, after having gone in depth of his problems, and also had been taught anger management techniques to stop him from attacking JP, or others. Sorry it took some time to get back to you.

I’m sorry you’ve been there but just remember that you are strong for getting out of it ❤️

So sad that you even have to say “imagine it being your sister” if you have to be told that to realise you’ve got somthing seriously wrong with you

True👏👏

typical narcissists and empaths relationship

Well JP shoved him first, then George hit him. Not saying it was right. However the fact that he didnt apologize etc.... is sketchy and manipulative

Its more to show that anyone can become a victim of domestic mental/violent abuse. It will show how pc kiss will strip every inch of john paul back until hes unrecognizable that how abuser work

That's the point of this storyline; Abuse can happen to anyone.

@@amybooo917 i do get that but it will be interesting to see how he manages to isolate him from the mqueens

I think him been a copper is a big part of the story line too though that anyone can be an abuser hopefully John pauls the one to get him locked away with the people he's locked up

Absolutely. All police in hollyoaks are nasty but yes it to show even those ment to help us can be abuser i just hope jp doesn't die or leave because of him and he get justice after everything hes been through. When i first seen where this storyline was going i said the "no way will jp let this happen" then i realised why its the storyline x

Apparently, Goldie doesn't know that John Paul was punched. She wouldn't have advised JP if she'd known. And neither would his gran.

Yep asap

Or get him to therapy.

John Paul needs to get away from him

Agreed. JP has been put through the ringer. I really thought George was gonna be different. I thought JP was finally gonna be happy.

exactly why it's unrealistic for JP to put up with this. He's not a groveler.

I would like to add Spike onto the good list. Spike always genuinely cared, and tried to make things work with JP even when he knew Craigy boy was likely going to take him. I always liked Spike and Kieron with him.

Correct and he did not come out and say to them “he punched me in my face”

Or the scenes could have been better written. You being a doctor probably know the sadistic manipulations suggests George to be a controling psychopath, while the first scenes - where he wanted to show JP a good time, and became defensive and opposing when JP wanted to talk about what happened the night before, suggests him to be apologetic and ashamed over what happened - but at the same time being labelled an abuser was so upsetting to him he started accusing JP to avoid the topic. Which again suggests him to have been a victim of abuse himself, an so traumatized by it he cant face such accusations about himself. But to merge a psychopath and an abuse victim into one, is a little confusing, and not that authentic. Psychpoaths tend to be abusers - not abuse victims.

@@Tvjunkieful12 He was an abuser before John Paul...we already know that from when his ex showed up. He’s not a victim, he’s an abuser.

@@xalexis.editsx The issue isn`t whether he is an abuser or not - but WHY HE IS AN ABUSER. There is a huge difference between various types of domestic abusers. The worse of them, the psychopaths, are extremely dangerous, and very difficult to correct through therapy. But the ones who either have grown up with an abusive role model, or in an environment where abuse was common, can be helped through therapy. There is a difference between someone who hits or psychologically torment his/her partner because it makes them feel powerful and in control, and someone who lashes out in frustrated anger after having had to bite their tongue, or been too timid to stand up for themselves, being reprimanded at work, like George was before he provoked a confrontation with, and hit, JP. Had George been a psychopath, he wouldn`t have needed any reason to hit or torment JP, he would have done it, and manipulated some excuse, pretending to make up with JP, or something, afterwards. To a psychopath that would have been a double whammy. First he got to feel superior just by hitting or tormenting JP, then he proved his superiority again when conning JP into thinking he was sorry. But since George had been reprimanded at work because of Nancy`s unfair and vengeful complaint (which it is beyond me why was taken seriously, taking into account George managed to both find drugs at the school and arrest someone (Juliet), he was even the one who arrested Jordan after Sid`s tip - so what he could be blamed for is beyond me. Nancy had a drug dealing son she wasn`t aware of. Not to mention both her husband and ex-husband have been jailed for drug dealing, so in real life both she and Darren likely would have been considered as potential suspects after Charlie`s arrest.). But all that aside, because George had a reason to feel upset, which he wrongly took out on JP, who he claims to love, that strongly suggest he had built up anger he needed to get out, and since he took it out on someone he loved, that suggest he lost control when doing so. Which again suggests the reason he didn`t want to talk about what had happened was that he was ashamed, and this again - the fact he not only hit someone he loved, feels ashamed about it, but yet cannot bring himself to apologize, but instead try to show JP that he cares about him and wants to make it up to him by showing him a good time, reveals seeing himself as an abuser is something that is too painful for George to face. Remember it was him, not JP, who first mentioned domestic abuse. Together this indicates, since domestic abuse both so quickly springs to George`s mind, and since it is too painful for him to accept to even bring himself to apologize to JP for what he did, that domestic abuse is something not foreign to George. But since he also appear ashamed of it, it is more likely he himself has been subjected to it, and therefore find the thought of himself exposing JP that he loves to the same, unbearable. Which again means he couldn`t have willingly done what he did, but that he lost control. The reason he lost control was that he was angry - and why was he angry? Because he had been unfairly reprimanded at work. Since he feels himself, and was, unfairly reprimanded, he clearly didn`t speak up about that fact at the time. Which suggest him to have a problem when facing authorities. Which again could be because he was abused by something like a father figure, teacher, priest, coach or similar when he was younger. In real life the fact George, had he been a real person - Callum Kerr probably have done the same because of sport or to get roles - has built up so much muscles, would have been an indication he needed to to defend himself against someone. And since George himself mentioned domestic abuse, and used physical power, physical abuse most likely is what he was subjected to when younger and weaker. And from someone, because he mentioned domestic abuse, within his own household as a child/teen. Like a father/stepfather or brother/brothers. The thing he said about "that is what boys do," also could have been something he had been told by one or more abusive brother/brothers as an excuse after he had been hit, probably said in defense to a parent figure. It is even possible, because of George`s good looks that the physical beating have been camouflage for sexual contact by a brother or father/stepfather who found George too irresistible to resist. But because of the added controversy of the incest element, didn`t express those urges directly, but camouflaged them as physical beating, or physical punishment, wrestling and such. George could even have been beaten to make him less attractive to the abuser, so the abuser would find it easier to resist him. Judging from what we saw in the first half of this, because of the reference to "that is what boys do," George has one or more brothers who have beaten him regularly when he was younger. And if there was only one, that one probably did so because he felt sexually attracted to George, and felt conflicted about his feelings for him.

@Tvjunkieful12 Look, I’m not reading all that. There’s too much to unpack there and I have a little bit of reading dyslexia so I’m gonna put this short. I respect that there is often a reason as to why abusers become abusers, and quite often it’s because they were abused themselves, but I don’t really care. I don’t have any sympathy whatsoever for abusers. That's just my opinion.

@@xalexis.editsx If you should find yourself in a abusive situation, you are allowed to think and handle as you see fit. But when you not even are able to read a few paragraphs where I try to explain, do you really think you are in a position to sit in judgment of either abusers or victims of abuse - or people educated and trained to help them - what is what in this regard? I would have liked to explain further - but hope this is short enough for you.

here to check out smoker too haha, pretty excited even though release is still a year off or more

I do!

Not me because he has love for John Paul’s son

@@haych181 creepy!

@@haych181 LOL

Ugh I hate George! He’s so manipulative to John Paul

where?

I hope George ends up in a body bag lol

It's STE and Bendon all over again the mind games the beatings

Or Maxine and Sienna's dad that's more recent

there is no back story

Josh Seymour “Thorough” Josh???? 🤨🤨🤨🤨

@@ChelseyLinden I meant detailed. Sorry if I offended, like for me to personally be LGBT I feel more related, I haven't personally been exposed to this kind of treatment it feels more inclusive

@@joshseymour3910 I’m so sorry to hear that Josh. 😔😔😔😔

I am a bit confused whether George is supposed to be a narcississtic and controling power freak of a psychopath, or a former victim of abuse who was so traumatized by it he is unable to face the possibility he could be an abuser himself, and therefore started accusing JP instead.

@@Tvjunkieful12 I think it's the former, I think he is being abusive and then trying to make JP believe it's his fault and using his power of knowledge about JP's past and the fact that he's a copper to manipulative him

debgenealogy Someone like James “McQueen ❤️”???? 😉😉😉😉

I agree there is something negative with every relationship I dont know one couple in hollyoaks that have lasted and been faithful throughout

Actually he had two pretty good relationships: Spike and Kieran. They weren’t perfect by any means but he threw them over for Craig, (Yuck!)

@@misssophielouise Exactly! No marriage or relationship has ever gone well in the village Sophie!!!! 😔😔😔😔

@@shyathena34 Ste had some pretty good ones tambien one with Adam, then with Doug then with Harry. ☺️☺️☺️☺️

Peter Ly True but he (James “McQueen ❤️”) hit Harry and his own Son Romeo. But still he never did hit John Paul!!!!

bb discus Or beat on your Boyfriend not just your Girlfriend!!!!