you're playing Saryn wrong (full guide, builds, hot takes, and proof)

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(sort of clickbait title, I'm not the fun police, play however you want)
(but also fight me in the comments 😈)
btw here are some more well-organized text versions of just the build guides:
overframe.gg/build/434970/sar...
overframe.gg/build/570209/sar...
sorry this vid is so awful, but I just had to get it out there
0:00 Intro
1:45 how Spores work
8:55 Spore strength snapshotting mechanics (IMPORTANT)
11:50 Spore strength snapshotting demo/proof + Gloomtank build preview
13:56 snapshot demo begins proper
16:51 sort of mentioning Molt
17:13 Toxic Lash talk + grimoire synergy bug demo
18:59 Venom Dose (hater talk)
19:31 Miasma talk (conditional stun demo)
21:27 Miasma talk (low level nuking)
23:02 Miasma talk (spore spreading)
23:46 Miasma talk (viral procs)
24:00 Saryn's passive talk
24:29 Miasma talk (viral procs, resumed)
25:06 awkward conclusion to explaining her abilities
25:30 common misconceptions section intro
25:55 common misconception #1: Saryn weapon builds are good
27:04 extremely cringe attempt at explaining the Sobek/Acid Shells
27:55 comparing Acid Shells blast radius to spore spread radius
28:26 "bUt SpOrEs HaVe tO sLoWlY rAmP!" strawman
29:53 Sobek demo with/without spore armor strip
31:06 common misconception #2: Miasma is a good helminth candidate
33:07 "bUt YoU cAn JuSt UsE tOxIc LaSh" strawman
35:00 build part intro
35:17 Archon shard talk (14 stack corrosive)
35:38 Archon shard talk (merits of 13 stack corrosive)
37:26 Archon shard talk (I used to use strength shards)
37:44 Archon shard talk (+ability damage on corroded enemies)
39:19 Archon shard talk (cast speed)
40:30 Gloomtank build talk (seismic bond)
42:07 Gloomtank build talk (mod slots)
43:30 vouching for Revealing Spores augment
44:35 Gloomtank build talk (no PSF?)
45:17 Gloomtank build talk (oh yeah I should mention the lifesteal)
45:40 Gloomtank build talk (arcane choices)
47:28 Gloomtank build talk (summing it up)
47:45 Gloomtank build talk (downsides/disadvantages)
52:27 Gloomtank build talk (shard flexibility advantage)
52:45 Shieldgate build talk (nourish over roar?)
53:37 Shieldgate build talk (low efficiency for shield gating)
53:55 Shieldgate build talk (energy regen grimoire)
54:22 Shieldgate build talk (comparison to gloomtank build)
56:22 Shieldgate build talk (shield gate mechanics)
57:52 shitty Sobek build, shitty demo
1:01:08 Gloomtank build demo
1:08:00 Equipping Shieldgate build
1:08:13 Gloomtank companion choice notes
1:08:35 Shieldgate build demo
1:14:55 low-level miasma spam build
1:17:01 ok bye

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@tenebra9385 29 күн бұрын

Just finished building the whole Kuva Sobek setup, and after only a few hours, I was already searching for a replacement, despite the time it took to build. Many newbies, like me, fall into the trap of clickbait KZfaqrs who showcase weapon builds in ideal conditions, misleading us about Miasma's effectiveness at high levels. That's why people get defensive when someone suggests otherwise-they've invested so much time in making these builds. The video was definitely too long, but it was worth it to learn how to play Saryn at her best. Thank you 💚

@MaikOlszewski 12 күн бұрын

Yeah, the sunk-cost-fallacy is a bitch! Sad to see people wanting to make others feel bad just because they are hurt.

@DasGrimbo 8 күн бұрын

THANK YOU for this! You cut through the b.s. of this build and that build with this gun and that gun finally! Added this to my favorites for further research and use to build up my Saryn.

@MrHephesto Ай бұрын

Hi! Me again ^_^ Just wanted to thank you for this so detailed video. I built similar build to yours - shield gating one - but used venom dose instead of revealing spores (me like weapons unga bunga) and equilibrium instead of cunning drift. Ended up having the most fun in Warframe I had in years. So once again: Thank you!

@Malurth Ай бұрын

happy to help! and thanks for the praise 😅

@rarebarney5681 2 ай бұрын

commenting this as I watch, I love gloom saryn but im excited to see how other people build her, favorite frame fr

@SuedDuke 2 ай бұрын

Just a note on weapon builds at least in my opinion I think weapon builds can be good if you just want to mess around with a weapon like often I like messing around with the trummna so I'll run a weapons platform so I can just use the gun rather than having to always be cycling through abilities

@martontoth2063 2 ай бұрын

Good to see a vid like this. I couldn't bring myself to helminth away miasma cuz i really liked it thematically, so i got rid of molt as well. I like casters more anyways.

@Nightmareblackop Ай бұрын

Hey, commenting for to show support and also provide some suggestions. Plz just try subsuming Condemn for over your molt for your shield gate build. I did this myself with Primed redirection and it works really good with as condemn cares about the same 2 stats Saryn really cares about which are strength and range. It provides a bit of CC as well. Again its really easy to use and you don't have to tip toe around energy management and timing and constrained. u can literally swap condemn for gloom and redirection/primed redirection instead of health.

@Malurth Ай бұрын

ay, thanks for the support and suggestion! but eh, the point of the gloom build is braindead easy mode, Condemn is definitely higher effort; and conversely, on my shieldgate build, I really need more energy, not more shields, so Nourish definitely still seems like the pick to me. and if I didn't need energy, my next pick would almost certainly be Roar. and even if I wanted something more defensive my next next pick would be breach surge. getting shields just doesn't seem that useful to me when brief respite kind of does the trick by itself tbh.

@vvoudheusden 2 ай бұрын

Gotta say it does surprise me how viable miasma spam is in steel path levels, kudo's for that. One small question I did wanna mention is the sobek saryn combo is rather old. Even the video I found a while ago (by CoolKid369) is 1 year old and it was super niche. My question is how does this compare to melee influence dual ichor (with incarnon), kuva ogris with nightwatch napalm and Tenet Flux Rifle with Combustion beam (on corpus specifically). Also how does your build do against corpus since in my experience infested and corpus absolutely suck for saryn.

@Malurth 2 ай бұрын

haven't tried the ogris or flux rifle strats, but I similarly dropped using melee influence dual ichor because my spores were outpacing them anyway and I'd rather just have the Praedos parkour speed buff. for reasons described in the vid (it starts becoming quite difficult to even *see* enemies with good spores going, much less hit them with weapons), I can pretty safely assume it outpaces those strats as well. never had any troubles with corpus, strong spores are still strong oh also sobek is definitely one of the premiere weapon strats on Saryn. for example here's an excellent vid published just 2 weeks ago by kyaii that goes into great detail: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/e51yoNh9p9mUlJc.html (ofc I disagree about the conclusion that it's her best build but still)

@Juandisimo3 2 ай бұрын

Hydroid mains see free stonks with all the corrosion stacks (they will have max armor and dmg buff from their pirate ability)

@bob911yt2 2 ай бұрын

dear god is this a master class, its over a hour.😧

@Malurth 2 ай бұрын

well it would probably be under an hour if I didn't ramble so much 😅 but yeah I tried to be thorough :3

@eb3900 24 күн бұрын

That's why I can't keep my counter up. Wasn't spamming miasma enough. Been barred from playing since 2016, but cross saves have finally arrived

@Kei-qf9rw 2 ай бұрын

if i dont run missions that allow me to ramp up spores (using your nourish build), like archon hunts, or boss hunts in general, how would you recommend i deal with them?

@Malurth 2 ай бұрын

well frankly I wouldn't really pick Saryn for boss hunt kind of missions. she excels at wide-range fodder melting, not boss killing. but for shorter more finite missions like Exterminate, she actually usually ramps fast enough that she's still a solid pick into those. swapping to a Roar shieldgate build for more up-front damage is likely fruitful in that case.

@Kei-qf9rw 2 ай бұрын

@@Malurth gotcha, thanks

@regmaa 11 күн бұрын

jade shadows reworked health scaling of the factions. grineer had their EHP rebalanced into their red health instead of their armor, meaning armor stipping from spores is almost unnecessary. the infested scales many times faster and higher than before. corpus arent worth mentioning since their shields can be bypassed with toxin. an acid shells build which scales off of max health performs the same as before, but does the spore build still work like you show?

@Malurth 11 күн бұрын

the EHP buff was not that pronounced, and full strip is still worth building for.

@pedroantunes8754 27 күн бұрын

Not me seeing this while my saryn is in the foundry and farmed a 60% kuva sobek 2 days ago

@ShunkBear 8 күн бұрын

Hello, nice video. What do you think of breach surge on Saryn? It had a layer of survivability and damage, and I use catalysing shield to shield gate with it. It's true that nourrish give the positiblity to equip blind rage but you are a slave to zenurik and I don't like this. So wanted your thought on why you chose nourrish instead of others subsumes. Subscribed.

@Malurth 8 күн бұрын

imo there's not really room for Catalyzing Shields + lack of nourish energy regen on the build. I use Nourish cuz it costs a ton of energy to spam Miasma, requiring either a high efficiency build (as I use with Gloom), or extreme energy regen (high-str Nourish + Zenurik + Xata grimoire). with Blind Rage this also makes the shield you get from Miasma much larger, removing the need for Catalyzing Shields. I've tried Breach Surge before on her and it is a fairly solid pick, both amplifying her damage output and protecting her well, but I feel the opportunity cost is ultimately too great for me to use. imo shield gates (and enemies around me rapidly dying) provide all the protection I need, and high-str spammed Miasmas provide better offense than the occasional Breach Surge would. and I'd feel totally energy starved. if you really like it then go for it, but I prefer not to :^) thank for the sub btw 😊

@marcelomarca7185 2 ай бұрын

What about the weapon build using ocucor in disruption missions?

@Malurth 2 ай бұрын

I mean, it works fine. not the fastest or safest disruption build tho

@MaikOlszewski 12 күн бұрын

Nice video, and I too think that she is overrated as weapon platform. Sure you can use nourish, toxic lash and venom overdose on her but your weapons aren't killing the enemies then your abilities are, the weapons are just the transportation method at this point. When I want to play a weapon platform I use Harrow, he actually buffs the weapon with fire rate, reload speed and crit chance, using Hildryn's Subsume as first skill and he even does all of that better while armor stripping and still does not change the whole function of a weapon in the process. Gauss, Zephyr, Yareli, Rhino and Xaku to name just the ones at the top of my head can do similar things. But to get back to Saryn when you are at the point at which you use your weapon as transportation method to spread your abilities why not simply don't use a weapon but a range mod and weapons that enhance HER gameplay, there are so many frames that could work as simple weapon platform, it almost feels like a waste especially when you have to resort to shield gating to play and survive with her. If you have to use shield gating to keep a caster alive then just cast, instead of shoot. 😂 Reducing all the cool frames we have in the game to simple weapon platforms is kinda sad also quite lore-breaking, pretty sure Saryn wasn't created to hold a shotgun, anyone could do that. Harrow on the other hand is a master of arms his idle animation even shows that, he was made to hold a gun!

@MrHephesto Ай бұрын

Hey, I was doing some math here... perhaps I missed something or misunderstood. Could you please help me? Maths: 40 spores dmg/s To reach 100.000 dmg -> divide by 40 100.000 / 40 = 2500s -> now we want how many minutes, so... 2500s / 60 = 41.47 minutes. Assuming we always have max spores accumulating, it would take almost 42 minutes to reach maximum dmg. And then when going to level cap... We have some units HP Some examples (health at 10000 lvl base/sp): Corrupted Heavy Gunners - 751,718 / 1,879,295 Corpus Techs - 751,455 / 1,878,637 Juggernaut - 3,757,275 / 9,393,187 So it could take from 7 to 18 seconds to kill most units at level cap. That also assuming that we keep spores 100% of the time, without ever been without spores, to simplify calculations. With a weapons' platform build, you can quadruple dip with melee influence, reaching maximum damage (-2.1b, yes, it is negative) with one simple melee attack. The same can be achieved with weapons. My question would be: did I math something wrong? - Because it really seems like weapons platform saryn could explore much higher heights for damage, both burst and sustained, while also taking much less time.

@MrHephesto Ай бұрын

One more thing! Could you share gameplay of level cap Void Cascade/Demolysts? Great vid! GL HF

@Malurth Ай бұрын

argh sorry I took 5 days to respond to this, didn't see it at all. youtube notifications really need work smh. anyway: almost right on cap growth speed, though you are forgetting to factor in base damage; it doesn't start at 0. however this means starting from (100000-(Str*10)) instead of 100000 so this barely matters as for kill speed, you are forgetting several very important factors: 1. spores apply 3x to enemies. so the damage cap is more like 300,000 damage/s, not 100,000. 2. viral stacks from Miasma; a single stack doubles damage, and Miasma always applies a stack. you get another +25% to this bonus for each additional stack (+125%, +150%, +175%, etc.), so by spamming Miasma you can get enemies to die much faster (albeit less so on enemies that rely on shields). 3. +15% Ability Damage emerald shards ignore the cap, so for me who uses 2x the damage cap goes from 100k -> 130k (390k in practice). 390k dmg/s being multiplied 2-3x by viral stacks will absolutely chew through all of those enemies very quickly. A juggernaut might take a few seconds but they're Juggernauts, lol. Also reminder that spores spread out up to a range of Miasma range + spore spread range, which on a 265% build is 53m + 42.4m (over 95m, albeit usually less in practice), meaning enemies will start dying like this at a very long range, far exceeding anything a weapon could do. edit: oh and I don't have footage of level cap void cascade/demolysts with Saryn. frankly I wouldn't pick Saryn into either mode, neither mode particularly cares about optimizing wide-range fodder melting, rather moving fast, surviving well, and killing small bunches of enemies/single targets really well. much rather just pick a fast tanky frame with a good weapon+roar into those.

@MrHephesto Ай бұрын

@@Malurth Thank you for answering! knew I was missing something :)

@RobertoCorsini 2 ай бұрын

Slot in Archon Stretch instead of regular one and let Diriga Arc Coil give you energy?

@Malurth 2 ай бұрын

yup, that certainly improves the energy economy on the Nourish/shieldgate build. you'll notice Archon Stretch is already on there! just didn't make use of it to demonstrate it still works fine without alas, does not help for the gloom build since gloom disables all forms of energy regen over time

@Maljinn 2 ай бұрын

How would you adjust the Gloom build if you don't have arcane energize?

@Malurth 2 ай бұрын

ngl it's pretty necessary. only other good way of getting energy mid-gloom is Equilib, and there's already a huge shortage of mod slots in the build. if you have the seismic tech set up you could drop Augur Reach for it, but that's pretty yikes. max rank energize is not necessary tho, a low/mid rank would probably suffice. there's also the old school tech of using a Synoid Gammacor to get occasional energy bursts, which can help with energy econ, but that's also pretty iffy, especially since it makes you drop the Grimoire. could also use the supra vandal w/ Entropy Burst or something tho. if you don't have the resources for it the shieldgate build is a lot cheaper, fwiw. no Energize on that build

@Tricsterfull 2 ай бұрын

You forgot to mention Ancient Disruptor problem with Gloom. You run out of energy in the instant and then you dead

@Malurth Ай бұрын

didn't forget to mention so much as have never run into that problem in my life 🤷‍♂

@XcrazymanIII Ай бұрын

Theres no bad build on saryn but yeah u cannot mix both spores and gun buffs its meh at best for disruption lvl cap run w spores and gloom ok the sobek would help a lot to drop keys faster but its optional this build for demo kill isnt great simply because theres not enough duration for the buffsand its too situational to always shoot the alt fire of grimoire then madurai 2 then void sling, helminth over miasma or molt is build dependant if u go weapon platform ok fine u need molts speed buf to get to demos faster and stuff , both on the side if u use a spore build u want to helminth over molt because u will need miasma to deal more damage

@Spacolot Ай бұрын

These are very good builds, but i would like to say there are no wrong builds for saryn whether you want to go for weapons platform or spore or a hybrid build its all just playstyle preference, i do appreciate on calling out peoples takes on taking off miasma. Crazy takes honestly i think doing that is like taking off valkyrs 4th and saying this is how you play valkyr💀💀 but yeah great in depth video

@Ace4573 Ай бұрын

Saryn's kit is S-tier with or without augments

@AuraXars 2 ай бұрын

For gloom: you mentioned most energy regen don't work, does book regen/s still work for some reason?

@Malurth 2 ай бұрын

alas, no. all energy/s sources don't work while gloom is slowing anyone, sadly.

@Ianz-ks5re 2 ай бұрын

for youre SG nourish build what are you using to proc archon stretch

@Malurth 2 ай бұрын

companions (prob sentinel) is the only possible source. wasn't active during the vid cuz I was using Smeeta but sentinels like Dethcube (via Manifold Bond Vaporize) or Diriga will do the trick

@Ianz-ks5re 2 ай бұрын

@@Malurth thought so, thanks for the response, great video

@badboys5612 2 ай бұрын

I pretty much agree with everything, and god I really do not see a use for Molt other than putting it on, other frames. But the only gripe I have is the sobek test being pretty disingenuous since those builds generally also use venom dose which in and of itself provide armor strip, + the spore spread for stripping OTHER enemies. But I do prefer running spore miasma over the weapon build either way.

@Malurth 2 ай бұрын

sobek really does not work with Venom Dose, I've tried it. it gets very few corrosive procs, takes like a whole mag to strip your primary target and it doesn't spread at all. there's a melee influence jat kittag build that applies enough corrosive with venom dose in an AoE with Melee Influence, granted, but I wasn't trying to demo every weapon build variant :3 edit: I now know Venom Dose counts as an increase to toxin damage and thus increases the Toxin DoT, so it's worth running. if you want to see a better test peep my kuva sobek vid, I use venom dose and an updated build

@KingClickMusic 7 күн бұрын

@@Malurth If you tried it with the build in your video, it makes sense why it “didn’t work”. This really seems like Redditors who will denounce any frame/build template because they built it wrong.

@Malurth 7 күн бұрын

@@KingClickMusic another person denouncing my build without posting their own...anyway I addressed this complaint in my Kuva Sobek vid

@Huh-0.1 2 ай бұрын

Late april fools vid ainoway

@bigf0ot25 2 ай бұрын

Nah caster saryn is plainly better than weapons saryn. I helminthed breech surge over lash but basically the same as the gloom build otherwise. Get strength buffs, cast spores, miasma and breech surge if enemies get close/molt and voila, 200kpm

@Ave-Satanas 2 ай бұрын

What's your build bud?

@Huh-0.1 2 ай бұрын

@@Ave-Satanas peak one

@Ave-Satanas 2 ай бұрын

@@Huh-0.1 x

@bigf0ot25 2 ай бұрын

Man so wild ive had saryn in my arsenal for years and i finally built her out just yestersay to see if i could make her a full caster with the new green shards so pretty nutty this video came out right at that moment. That said, you should try breech surge instead of gloom on that build. Its pretty nutty and save for eximus gives you similar levels of survivability thanks to the blind/enemies just dying

@Malurth 2 ай бұрын

breach surge is definitely solid too...I once had a shieldgate breach surge build, but between that and nourish/roar it was my least favorite of the three

@bigf0ot25 2 ай бұрын

@@Malurth its just nice for room clears if spores/miasma hasnt killed them by the time yoi get to them. Think bs has a los check so unfortunatelt you cant just afk in a corner with it but yeah its good for shieldgating, blind big pp damage without having to rely on a weapon. Also, i helminthed over lash instead of molt as molt really allows for great survivability with this build but otherwise its more or less the same as gloom build stats. Getting around 200kpm with it

@bigf0ot25 2 ай бұрын

@@Malurth alright so a few days later, im finding that the full caster stuff is fine in solo play but hard to sustain In squads when others are getting kills too. Thinking about sobek for pubs and caster for solo. Thoughts?

@brianbrowneyes5382 2 ай бұрын

Very informative and some good points made! As much as I like longer content, I think you'd benefit from having things a little more scripted and edited down more, as things started rambling at some points.

@Malurth 2 ай бұрын

yeah that's why I added "sorry this vid is so awful, but I just had to get it out there" in the description 😅 I will try to do better in the future, and thx for the feedback :3

@wazuba8015 2 ай бұрын

guy says he will demonstrate saryn wpns platform sobek build, then proceeds to showcase with wrong build XD

@Malurth Ай бұрын

whats the build then

@shyguy4617 Ай бұрын

Suppose to be xata whisper as your 4 due to how it interacts with toxic lash

@Natboy23 2 ай бұрын

and then theres me who doesnt use miasma or spores other than for corrosive dmg

@felix_patriot Ай бұрын

A slight correction- the first enemy you cast spores onto, *will* spread spores even if they die to spore damage. This is because casting your first ability onto them does two things, 1. it puts spores onto them, and 2. it also marks them permanently as a "patient zero". A patient zero spreads spores in the spore radius upon death. Enemies in the spore spread radius (when popping them, toxic lash'ing them, or on patient zero death) receive the spores, but are not considered patient zeros. The true strength of Miasma, is that *all enemies affected by it are marked as patient zeros for the duration of the abilities' debuff,* even if they only received spores from a spread effect and not the initial ability cast, which like you say, allows them to spread spores even if they die to spore damage, as long as it is in the Miasma duration.

@Malurth Ай бұрын

not really sure how that's a slight correction, since that was my understanding as well, and is identical to what I conveyed in the video. unless you mean the distinction of referring to Miasma-infected enemies as patient zero, in which case nah that doesn't make much sense, ofc "patient zero" refers to the first spored enemy. just means there's 2 conditions for spore damage killing a target still spreading spores, either being patient zero or being Miasma-sick.

@felix_patriot Ай бұрын

@@Malurth the correction was in the first sentence- you said something along the lines of "enemies who die to spore damage don't spread spores" without clarifying that the first enemy that you cast them onto does, and i didnt notice that at any other point in the video. everything else after that was an expansion on why that is mechanically.

@Malurth Ай бұрын

I clarified that right away at 3:50 :p

@shyzue6265 Ай бұрын

To use a weapon buff you need to : - have 2 green archon shards - use the weapon buffs of saryn (toxic lash & venom dose) and a buff like roar - shoot ennemies I insist on the "use the weapon buffs of saryn (toxic lash & venom dose) and a buff like roar" cause you didnt use them Also the sobek isnt the only weapon usable with saryn, try melee builds like nami solo or if you want a range weapon try ocucor. But in any case if you use the buffs everything works and sobek works especially great too.

@Malurth Ай бұрын

post the build you want me to use and I'll do a run just for you 🙂 in my experience venom dose on sobek is kind of pointless since it can only strip the main target. when it explodes, the explosion will still hit fully armored targets and do basically nothing. so you need to full strip them with spores first. at which point you should just make the spores do the killing for you too and save yourself the significant downgrade of having to manually kill them yourself, no? only weapon that seems like it might compete is incarnon dual ichors, but in practice I've found it just performs worse than a good spore DPS build (now that ichors are nerfed to not proc melee influence on the death clouds, anyway. and yes that's with Roar).

@reapershyzue1650 Ай бұрын

@@Malurth 2 times that my msg doesnt work on the other account so here i come with another one to answer you. I wont send you a build cause i think its useless but what i can recommend you is to watch the video named " Warframe | Saryn: Perfected | Steel Path | Build & Guide | 2024 " by kyaii. He explains everything even some math and shows a build you can copy, and it's a 10 minutes video so its not too long. One more thing, Try the builds (the one of the video by kyaii and yours) on another map because the one you used has 3 floors which is extremely in favor of your build, I need to precise that its okay, you wanted to show your build in the best situation and it doesnt bother me i would've done the same. I'll wait for your feedback after watching the vid and testing his build.😁

@Malurth Ай бұрын

@@reapershyzue1650 well I can't copy the saryn build exactly cuz it's 3x Y polarity mods while I only got room for 1 atm...sooo you're gonna have to wait like 4-5 days while my saryn prime #2 builds 😂 and kinda funny, I already shouted that vid out in another comment here somewhere. tho true, I should have made a mirror build in the first place. that way I could easily deflect all criticism! I'm legit building another saryn prime now (I could have spammed formas on my current one but I don't wanna mess up all my current builds) so just be patient, I promise I will test proper when it's done cooking :^)

@s15240drifter69 11 күн бұрын

Okay hear me out. Venom dose, toxic lash, xatas whisper, ocucor. Toss a spore cast out there every once in a while.

@lightningpo26 2 ай бұрын

Love the video. Very detailed. Just felt like there was some unnecessary waffle, which could be avoided with scriptnof sorts.

@Malurth 2 ай бұрын

yeh sorry if I scripted it I would have never finished lol, too much info to cover see also my one scripted vid that wound up being 6+ hours and took me 6 months to make 😂

@lightningpo26 2 ай бұрын

@@Malurth haha I get it. There's just waaay to much to cover. Nonetheless, love the video! Can't wait to see similar content with other frames.

@THICKGURLUVA Ай бұрын

First off I love the vid and the fact that you took the time to put all of this together. I know it's very time consuming. 2nd I have to disagree with most of what you said about the sobek. Simply because I use it only with saryn and I'll clear entire room!! My only real issue with it is the fact that it's not a really strong weapon at its base. If I use roar or xatas whisper along with saryns 3rd ability, and I'm using my 3rd config (which does 5 different statuses) it's a monster. I just need to find a build that increases it's damage output as a whole... Lol. However normally I use the ogris (Kuva vers) with xatas whisper and her 3rd ability. And the enemies don't really stand a chance.

@Malurth Ай бұрын

yeah, like...a really tiny room lol. and I don't need to clear all the enemies in a room if they tend to die before they even make it there lol. until I see some footage of someone wielding Sobek Saryn to greater effect than what I demonstrated here, I'm still team spore DPS. thanks for the praise and feedback, tho :)

@THICKGURLUVA Ай бұрын

@@Malurth lol... Oh I definitely use the spores in conjunction with everything else. That's why when u demonstrated the sobek and it didn't operate the way I've seen, I was surprised. Granted I'm not running steel path with it, because like I said it's not power heavy. But regular murmur missions or survival missions? Yeah still clearing rooms regularly. I do have a question though. Being someone that also uses gloom, have you noticed that gloom seems to cause the spores to spread even before the enemies have died?? Or am I just seeing a mechanic working that I'm unaware of? Because I don't see it spread the same way normally.

@Malurth Ай бұрын

@@THICKGURLUVA well ofc it's gonna perform better in non-steel path, lol. but at that point miasma will just delete the map so kind of even more in her favor there. as for gloom, no, I am quite certain it doesn't modify the spore spread mechanics in any way. whenever I see an unexpected spore spread I just assume a miasma sick enemy died somewhere.

@jacobtyler9984 10 минут бұрын

I’ll preference this by saying your builds do look good and have high kpm but downplayed weapons platform builds imo. They can also have high kpm setups but no they can’t spread spores for 56m, as I’ve seen you point out, that’s not their strength or goal. I especially think your downplaying the kuva sobek I was absolutely steam rolling through the map earlier granted with comically long pauses to reload but my point is, it works exceptionally well and is fun. Plus my lizard brain see bigg number get big happy and weapon platform saryn will do that

@poseidonofblue717 2 ай бұрын

Good video! I do think that there is no "right" way to play a warframe tho. The enjoyment of games is being able to do what you want regardless of other peoples opinions (: I know I'll certainly use both of these builds. I rolled a very nice sobek riven that I will really enjoy using on the Saryn sobek build! To you disliking molt so much hurts me! I love the speed boost too much to let it go lol. The faster I can move the more fun I have (: Thanks for all the good info and comprehensive breakdown of her abilities synergies.

@Critical_Zero 2 ай бұрын

Molt also cleanses all status procs, why I always keep it on her personally.

@aximoral3657 2 ай бұрын

its a matter of preference ngl , gloom just makes it so u dont have to worry about survivability anymore

@Malurth 2 ай бұрын

yeh, hence my lil note in the description that you can play however you want, I was just being a lil clickbaity (tho imo if you want the most performant Saryn this is the way) and hence why I use Molt on my Gauss :p if you wanna go fast on Saryn I find that Praedos + Amalgam Barrel Diffusion generally works well enough

@SamThaGawd 14 күн бұрын

Do you think the archon shards for extra stacks are worth using now that partial strip is more useful?

@Malurth 14 күн бұрын

definitely. an 80% strip still leaves a 2700 armor enemy with 540 still; pre-armor rework enemies only needed 300 armor to get 50% DR; devs didn't specify the new formula so maybe 540 is only like 40% DR now, but that's still sizeable enough that it would be worth removing (going from 90% DR to 40% would be like 6x damage, going from dealing 10% to 60%). the real question now is 1 tauforged for 13 stacks or stick with 2 normals for 14 stacks? 98% strip from 13 stack leaves a 2700 armor enemy with just 54 armor (conveniently, the difference between 10-stack corro and 13-stack is always a 10x reduction in remaining armor). under the old formula that would leave enemies with 15.25% DR, making it still worth to keep 14-stack, just barely (i'd use the saved shard slot for another ability damage% shard probably, and that would do less damage than removing the DR). but idk what the new DR is under the new formula, I gotta do some testing first. if it's more like enemies are left with 5% DR then yea it's 13-stack time.

@SamThaGawd 13 күн бұрын

Thanks for the info I appreciate it a lot. If you run those tests, would you please let us all in on the conclusions you come to.

@Malurth 11 күн бұрын

here ya go: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qr17Z9xh1b_Fpqs.html put a 13-stack vs 14-stack Saryn section at the end there...at risk of depriving myself a click, it's close, but I'd still stick to 14 stacks personally

@SamThaGawd 11 күн бұрын

Wow you’re the goat. Thanks for putting in the effort and creating the content.

@coyork15 2 ай бұрын

This is a great video, tons of information. Honestly, I'm surprised but I did learn a few things, even though I've been using Saryn quite a lot. I have some notes/ questions. I think one consideration is just that spores won't work on every enemy in the game. Weapons are really helpful for that reason. Still, toxic lash is so insane that I think even a spores-oriented Saryn can buff weapons well for those situations. Although, the enemies that can't be spored are kinda the only ones that matter since the rest are pretty trivial fodder. Idk, I'll have to try yours out, very curious to do so. I would echo the other comment about scripting. There's so much information here, it might have been more efficient to convey it with a script. That said, I do really appreciate that you use the KZfaq video time slot feature to label sections. I was surprised by your comment about using the additional damage to enemies effected by corrosive. I'd heard that that wasn't very good relative to power strength/ the +45% toxin damage. I'm assuming that the Toxin damage matters less for non weapon platform builds, but still curious if you've done any math on that. TBH I have that slot for duration just because Nourish is so damn slow, but I'm torn on it and have been considering putting another +45% toxin, and now I'm wondering if maybe the corrosive damage would be better. Thanks for the great video.

@Malurth 2 ай бұрын

spores work on *almost* every enemy in the game, there are a few boss exceptions and for some reason roller drones are also immune. but yeah I mean I'm not saying you should never shoot a gun, occasionally there's a particularly beefy target that would be helpful to shoot at. but you can just bring any gun you like for that, as far as killing tons of fodder enemies goes I see no reason to stray from a spore DPS focus. the toxin damage shard does almost nothing at all for a spore focused build. it adds to your Toxin Lash damage output and nothing more. it is a helpful consideration for weapon-focused builds, as toxin lash spreading with the 'chain' weapons is boosted by those shards, but for reasons argued in the vid I don't think there's really much merit in weapon-focused builds in the first place, thus little merit for toxin shards. as for Str shards I went over why I prefer +ability damage shards over those in the vid :3

@coyork15 2 ай бұрын

@@Malurth Got it, thanks! And thanks again for the video, definitely the most comprehensive video I've seen on Saryn.

@Kasandra_ 2 ай бұрын

The builds are nice and very well thought out, but I feel like you kind of missed the context of what Saryn is actually used for by most players - spamming Miasma isn't even an option in ESO, which is Saryn's primary use. And while weapon platform Saryn doesn't get to use sobek there either, having a build rely heavily on 2 or 3 pieces (book, dirga) largely disqualifies it from circuit and deep archimedea while the alternative can still work fine with other guns. And while sure, miasma spam can do more damage in a 20 minute kuva survival, any build that won't die or run out of life support is pretty much equally viable for most people. So when a higher investment, less convenient build that only works in unrestricted content competes against a cheaper, simpler build that can still do everything most players need it to do easily and can actually deal with restrictions, it's no wonder the latter became the meta.

@Malurth 2 ай бұрын

eh. Saryn gets outclassed by Mirage in ESO, and the only real reason to do ESO as a nuker is for focus farming or just carrying other players for fun. and ofc the healthtank build isn't suitable for circuit, that's where the shieldgate build steps in. though you can still make it work by dropping augur reach in favor of another efficiency mod, and fishing for the Parazon mercy kill str buff to cap your gloom slow. as for survival requirements...if you'll recall it's possible to solo survival without killing a single enemy. if you're comfortable setting the bar low, sure, that's your prerogative. but this vid is about optimizing her endgame level power, not catering to "good enough" low investment builds. also it's more 'sentinel' than 'diriga,' but I'm being nitpicky

@beeco711 Ай бұрын

No one is denying that spore/ miasma builds are the king of survival missions. But when it comes to just about any other mission, the flexibility afforded by a gun buff saryn is invaluable. Sobek is a mainstay, but Nightwatch Napalm is necessary for Arbitrations. For non-steel path Combustion Beam is ideal, due to it having a better fall off percentage than Acid Shell and fixed damage. As a principle I don't use chain detonation weapons unless they can kill an enemy in one shot, or under half a second. I can help you cook up a solid gun buff build if you want.

@Malurth Ай бұрын

actually a lot of people are denying that lol regardless IMO if you don't need what she does best (massive range constant fodder melting) then you're better off simply picking a different frame entirely. other than map melt, the only thing she has going for her is Toxic Lash/Venom Dose shenanigans (hence chain detonation weapons), but those hardly outperform any other decent weapons platform build, which usually come with a whole host of other great perks that vastly outweigh Toxic Lash synergies (foolproof survivability, strong mobility, other even better buffs, loot abilities, etc). but yeah if you got builds I'm down to see em. you'd be the first brave enough to post your own

@beeco711 Ай бұрын

@@Malurth overframe gg/build/673008/ Just tested with a Nightwatch Napalm Kuva Ogris on Taveuni. I got 630 KPM. I do however have 3 Green Archon shards 2 +2 corrosive (largely useless here), 1 10% ability damage on enemies effected by corrosive (this helps toxic lash), and then 2 Tauforged Red Archon shards for 30% total ability strength. Venom dose is handy for two reasons here, one is scales Toxic Lash due to any and all toxin mods counting toward it's modifier. Two the corrosive status effects give Toxic Lash a multiplicative 10% damage. This shield gate build is a bit less sweaty than a Catalyzing Shields version. But a lot higher investment. If you want to put Prime Sure Footed in you can use Vigilante Vigor in place of Fortitude.

@beeco711 Ай бұрын

@@Malurth overframe gg build 673008

@beeco711 Ай бұрын

@@Malurth How do you share a build via KZfaq comments? None of my attempts have gone through.

@beeco711 Ай бұрын

@@Malurth Aura: Brief Respite Exilus: Sure Footed Primed Flow, Fortitude, Venom Dose, Fast Deflection, Primed Redirection, Narrow Minded, Transient Fortitude, Umbral Intensify Arcanes: Molt Augmented (I don't own Molt Vigor) , Arcane Aegis Shards: 2 Green for Corrosive 1 Green for 10% ability on enemies with corrosive 2 Tauforged Red 15% Ability Strength Helminth: Xata's Whisper over Miasma (I know) This is a somewhat passive shield tank build. If you have the polarities for PSF then replace Fortitude with Vigilante Vigor. We use Venom Dose to scale Toxic Lash due tom the Archon shard and Toxic Lash's property of counting any and all toxin, even the corrosive off of Venom Dose or Viral off of Nourish. We try to keep Molt up at all times while we run and gun through the map for an almost 4x speed multiplier. For Steel Path Survival I use a Kuva Ogris with Nightwatch Napalm. For lower level speed running I use Acid Shells or Combustion Beam.

@jules3431 18 күн бұрын

How come you didnt mention shooting gallery? shouldnt this be able to get you through lvl 9999 enemys vs. gloom you just get easily one hit?

@Malurth 14 күн бұрын

shooting gallery (w/ augment) no longer blinds eximus, it wouldn't save you at level cap. for level cap I use my shield gate build, which can also survive to cap but comes with the bonus of nourish energy regen and not needing the gallery augment. gloom is more for non-endurance content, in which case it's extremely powerful.

@jules3431 14 күн бұрын

@@Malurth ah ok didnt know that. thanks!

@Tekka579 Ай бұрын

Saryn does not need Miasma to spread spores. She can spread spores with Toxic lash and Gas build weapons. Miasmas damage drop off is insane late game.

@Malurth Ай бұрын

ok show me a weapon that regularly hits all enemies within 53-56 meters of you, ignoring line of sight, while guaranteed applying a viral stack on each hit, and I would fully agree! you're handicapping your spore spread by not using Miasma. it is not used for its innate damage late game, it is used for its powerful spore spreading ability, paired with guaranteed viral stacks. if you don't use it, you will have a much smaller range spore spread. and that means way lower KPM.

@godslayer4047 Ай бұрын

It depends on what mission youre using saryn to begin with If ure using her on general day to day playstyle, clearing alot of mobs, base steelpath and the norm then miasma is pretty good On the other hand, if what you use saryn is for cascade lvl cap for example then miasmas value will fall very hard and is much better to be subsumed over instead while keeping molt providing more survivability and shield gating.

@Malurth Ай бұрын

well yea if the game mode doesn't call for massive-range fodder melting then there's not much reason to pick her at all. missions like void cascade and disruption favor other frames entirely.

@Tekka579 Ай бұрын

@@godslayer4047 Level 500 tank Miasma completely.

@Tekka579 Ай бұрын

@@Malurth Your question doesn't change the fact that by level 400-500 Miasma is mostly useless un pack on all red Tua forged shards. I have a bout 2000hrs alone with Saryn. I run her with a gas Kuva Ogris before that I used to run the Tonkor pre nerf so I have no problem spreading Spores.

@vasilivanov3713 2 ай бұрын

nice one. although the point of the video "dont subsume over miasma, use it. weapon builds are kinda meh" was ruined for me when you didnt show the kpm with sobek

@Malurth 2 ай бұрын

yeh, figured it would be misleading since half if not more of those kills were from spore death anyway. but in retrospect there is a stat for weapon kills isn't there. derp

@Ave-Satanas Ай бұрын

What is your boar build?

@Malurth Ай бұрын

it's kind of a meme build but here you go: i.imgur.com/Ngz39ja.jpeg riven: i.imgur.com/Bh7rIWg.jpg not-meme version for maximizing heat procs: i.imgur.com/sIbYtWG.jpg evos Fortress Salvo, Ready Retaliation (or Practiced Grip), Elemental Balance

@emiliab.4775 2 ай бұрын

Hey, thanks for putting your ideas out for us to discuss more. But I also want to touch on a few things: It was difficult to listen to the video at length when you actively take a condescending tone on views that you aren't in agreement with. If you put your own information out there and create a strong argument, let that be enough to change the viewer's mind. Listening to you mock others or a certain build before going into the actual argument at several sections of the video is pretty annoying, IMO.

@Malurth 2 ай бұрын

nah I got hater energy in my blood, it is what it is. besides it often triggers people who disagree to argue adamantly in favor of their position, so it's the optimal strat to make sure I understand the whole picture also I've lurked overframe.gg and the game itself long enough to know that yea, builds are not the community's strong point lol thx for the feedback tho, much appreciated :)

@Cosmic2-fc4np 2 ай бұрын

Amazing build! Non Level cap viable tho.

@Malurth 2 ай бұрын

the shieldgate one is

@Huh-0.1 2 ай бұрын

@@Malurth looking at your saryn xp u didnt even do lvl cap with it so how do you know it is lvl cap viable?

@Malurth 2 ай бұрын

@@Huh-0.1 shieldgate scales defensively to any level, spore scaling + full armor strip scales offensively to any level

@Huh-0.1 2 ай бұрын

@@Malurth funny that u making a saryn guide and dont even know spores have a cap. Have a nice one.

@Malurth 2 ай бұрын

@@Huh-0.1 ah yes, the mythical damage cap not documented or proven anywhere. you as well

@mikeroscowe654 2 ай бұрын

Reading over the comments im ashamed of our playerbase. I finally decided to grab saryn prime couple weeks back after playing a multitude of other primes i was going through for MR (was an excal main for a long time. As guns always were crap when i used them. Phantasma orime does melt stuff but i cant aim for shit an was getting annoyed running after enemies while other players stood in one spot nuking maps. I want to kilk stuff too!) First week with her, abysmal. Didnt understand her kit, survivability sucked for me, decided to bench her after all the weapon platform builds (and melee influence) i tried. Spent a week playing volt/innodem knightmareframe build was fun as hell. Found your vid last night at work. After work i dusted off my saryn, gathered the missing mods (mostly the stupid book) subsumed sevagoth this morning. And now.... wow what a killing machine. 😳 the revealing spores mod = amazing. Single handedly the best mod on saryn. Weapons? Who gives a shit about weapons! Really informative video, lots of information, maybe a lot of rambling? But i dont care. For stupid people like me i learnt a lot from this vid not just about saryn (actually reading the setups ect). Just need to craft this stupid praedos for the sprint boost and 1 more archon emerald an im gucci Ignore the haters brother. You made saryn proud. Glhf tenno :)

@Ave-Satanas 2 ай бұрын

It was extremely refreshing to see an educated and experienced take on Saryn.

@Huh-0.1 2 ай бұрын

paid comment...

@Ravngor Ай бұрын

kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ntJ-opaVt7DLZqM.html op gun saryn build, maybe at the very least, an alternative saryn for when u can't ramp up spores? 😄 💜‼

@Ravngor Ай бұрын

Very informative on Saryn's spore/miasma intricate details‼

@Malurth Ай бұрын

lol my recent kuva sobek vid directly uses that build to prove that it's still kinda meh compared to spores :p

@strix460 Ай бұрын

Me thinks saryn is a little over hyped spores are her coolest ability and it seems like such a pain in the ass to make it work

@user-gf4th3ti3w Ай бұрын

weapon saryn > spore miasma saryn

@Malurth Ай бұрын

nuh uh

@gryffent Ай бұрын

A script, dear lord you need a script. You know what you want to touch on but I found you all over the place and it just became repetitive and not helpful. With a key points card in front of you and not reexplaining multiple times why you don’t think weapons builds are good, I think you could have made a 20 min video that would have been more watchable.

@Malurth Ай бұрын

noted, thx 😓

@godslayer4047 Ай бұрын

I suggest you watch gazttvs 5x emerald tau shard saryn video to see sobeks potential

@Malurth Ай бұрын

watched. conclusion: it is a higher damage version of the build demonstrated here or in my more recent Kuva Sobek vid (ofc I didn't 5x toxin taus), but doesn't do anything to address the main concerns I have against the build, namely: - Acid shells chaining explosion is nice but still covers far less area than miasma - Still requires high armor enemies to be spored+stripped to work (and at that point why not just let the spores kill them) like even if Acid Shells did an instant kill on all spored enemies, it would only be a solid primary option for a spore DPS build. the chaining effect just doesn't reach far enough to compete with Miasma. yes if enemies are all perfectly lined up it can even chain into other rooms, but that scenario is both fleetingly rare, and *still* not as wide range as Miasma. yes Miasma 'slowly' melts enemies compared to Sobek's very fast melt, but the sheer area covered by Miasma more than makes up for it (not to mention the free stun + viral procs). Most enemies wind up dead before they even get into Sobek range, and those that remain, can be killed with any good weapon in the game.

@godslayer4047 Ай бұрын

Appreciate your time and effort answering peoples feedback. It would be better if you could do more in depth dives regarding other warframes as well to showcase different builds may it be popular or underrated and bring them to light to show different playstyles for each warframe.

@Malurth Ай бұрын

thx! I certainly intend to keep it up with other frames as well :p

@darkteam2473 25 күн бұрын

30:20 17 april, 17 days jet lag for 1 april jokes. U've setup ur saryn for spore, not for buffer. I have 2x time more power and the augment of skill 1. Spore, instant shot and all the room instant dies... Why I'm able to one shot the entire room of EXIMUS heavy gunners same level with 1 bullet in body (so no galvanized charged) with 0 forma ??? And without roar... I've also tried against level 1000 ennemies in disruption and it works perfectly... But if you feel smarter... Ho, good luck against eximus corpus. U're not modding ur sobek well, not modding ur saryn well, maybe it's time to questionning urself. Yes ur build is an "outsider" build but sobek scales and instant kill all. However, meta content isn't survival mission. In disruption, cascade, arbitration, ... this spore build is completly invalid / drasticaly increase time spent. The only counter urguement is : the game is too easy for the build so there is no continious spread

@Malurth 14 күн бұрын

rude - I showcase a better sobek build in my Kuva Sobek vid...it's still underwhelming :^) - my builds focus on maximizing Saryn's key selling point, her wide-range AoE fodder melting ability. yes, that is not particularly desired/useful in a lot of 'meta content.' no, that doesn't mean you should abandon that build direction. if a frame's strengths don't match up with a given game mode, just pick a different frame into those game modes. - eximus corpus still inevitably die. and you can always just shoot your gun for those instances you run into a beefy enemy, no need for sobek build-around bullshit. - sobek only wipes rooms if enemies conveniently all space themselves out so they chain nicely. this often doesn't occur, making it more adept at blowing up little clusters of enemies. in which case, again, any half-decent weapon will do too. and when it does occur, it's still only a fraction of the range you get from miasma + spore spread. I don't need to wipe enemies in this room if they all died before making it there.

@noahedenborg4221 Ай бұрын

ight so ur are bad this is jsut bad spores have line of sight EXECPT for the first spore also weapon builds good as a misconception dude what are you stuck in 2015 ability dmg saryn isnt as a good as wepaon saryn a lot higher kpm also molt is amazing esspecially for shield gate because its an instant cast oh yeah u also built ur sobek wrong

@Malurth Ай бұрын

- nope, spores never have LoS requirement. just double checked in the simulacrum just now, even non-primary target spore spreads work through walls - how can a weapon build be better when spores can (very quickly) ramp to the point that even establishing line of sight with enemies becomes difficult? no weapon is that good - already mentioned that exact thing about molt in the vid, as well as it not being enough to save it from helminth on saryn - already cooking a new sobek demo vid to silence the build haters, stay tuned

@noahedenborg4221 Ай бұрын

@@Malurth just know these weren't my points Also why revealing spores when u can just look at the dmg numbers

@Malurth Ай бұрын

cuz that is a vastly inferior method of grokking how your spores are being spread. it only gives you a vague idea while requiring you to actually frame the enemies you're checking for in the screen's viewport. also +40 enemy radar is snazzy

@noahedenborg4221 Ай бұрын

@@Malurth bruh just look on ur screen and u will know where enemy's are

@Malurth Ай бұрын

oh, silly me, I forgot to look at my screen! you're a clown lol

@ccadet3651 2 ай бұрын

Really? a fucking hour. Who has time to stay here for an hour theres not that much info about a character thats I need that much to listen for an hour

@Malurth 2 ай бұрын

haha that's why I made sure to add timestamps. feel free to skip around to the points that interest you