Actually, I think the description of Bram should have really gotten the Snowflame joke. XD

Urath: 90s casual racism

Snowflame is from the Congo?

@@elephantpowerproductions I don't know. I just heard Linkara say 'White God' and thought of Snowflame, considering he views Cocaine (A white powdery substance that somehow gives him superpowers) as his god.

So it’s not a title King Leopold demanded be used?

I want that to be a super power now. Someone who just manipulates bugs in the universe.

TheHoratiosvetlana The Speed-Runner! With the amazing power to use speed running exploits encoded into the universe itself!

He's 4 parallel universes ahead of you

@@SorowFame Why are you twerking in a box in the corner? [sonic boom]

Or you're a fan of the Austin Allegro car?

Moore could be the reincarnation of the Mad Monk.

Or Maybe they were so bad at killing Rasputin that they made him immortal instead

Indeed. He's an asshole. But a somewhat justified asshole.

It likes that father who makes his kid smoke a whole pack of cigarettes and years later thr kid I additive.

I say he should write some Little Lulu comics 😂 To be fair he is right about the western comic industry being overly focused on just a single genre, hell he should go work on a Manga since the genres are so varied

Ocelotl Chimalpahin little lulu I love LuLu just the same! 😀

>but became annoyed that the readership refused to "grow up" and in fact wanted more superhero stories because he'd brought them to a wider audience. Superman and the Jumper, Crisis on Infinite Earths, The Death of Superman, Whatever Happened To Truth, Justice, And The American Way, JLA/Avengers. Among many, many others. With all due respect to Alan Moore, the readership did in fact "grow up". And so did the comics themselves. Comics can now have characters openly be drug addicts (hi Roy), can have their loved ones die (hi... pretty much everyone) and can explore grief. The readership grew up, but they stayed with superhero comics because they touched on something special.

Seriously Alan Moore is clearly trying to make a deep and great story and play with big ideas While Liefeld keeps failing him and does his usual shit. The story deserves a better artist

caliph95 If I’m gonna be honest, I personally think if they had a few more pages to explain some of the plot holes (like how Toby knew it was the book that was the main cause of this stuff), I think it’d work pretty well.

Is it's Liefeld's fault though? Everyone knows he's not a great artist. Moore knew it. It's considered the responsibility of the writer to play to the artist's strengths by writing something they're good at. He knew he was stuck with a terrible artist and still wrote something beyond Liefeld's skills. Just a typical 90s failure on everyone's part.

André Brynkus To be fair, ANY Alan Moore written series is still better than a rob lifeleld written series in my eyes regardless of whatever artist works on it, even if it does help it slightly. (And if I may... an Alan moore/Todd McFarlane collaboration would be absolutely amazing!)

caliph95 Its like having George Lucas write and design the next Star Wars trilogy, and we get a grandiose story with great characters, high stakes, and stunning visuals... And then handing it over to Michael Bay who will discard half the script and make the film 50% half dressed ladies, 25% muscle massed macho men, 25% the Rebels slaughter an entire army of Sith, and 100% EXPLOSIONS!!!

That's a reasonable response to being a legend when you're still alive.

When are we going to get a comic about that?

John Morgan That would be interesting.

Who draws and writes?

@@ZillMob both are done leifeld. I just want to see how weird that would be

Since the other two are in the story I guess we get Neil gaiman and maybe Steve Dillon? Ooh is bissette from early hell raiser still around?

It looks like Youngblood's about to be terminated! 😆

@@johnnygyro2295 =D

John Morgan Thank goodness.

He also seems to have an "everything modern sucks" attitude about things, for his League of Extraordinary Gentlemen I never went beyond Black Dossier because I've read that Century is allegedly rife with that.

@@det.bullock4461 Alan Moore is stuck in the 20th century, and because of this bias everything modern is not worth it in his eyes except some books by some modern British authors (gotta get that validation). Regarding the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, Warren Ellis is doing his own version of them but this time they are in the 21st century and the book is called Injection. However, the problem with Injection is that it comes off as a TED talk in comic book form.

Also doesn't help that his arguably most famous work is Watchmen, and arguably the most famous character in Watchmen is Rorschach, a character he is disgusted with (cause honestly Rory is disgusting)

@@hix299 So, can I call Moore the John Kricfalusi of comics?

@@travisalpasa No, that's just mean.

Kinda clever, in a sense.

It's not a bad idea. The reality altering book I mean. Hell, I think DC it did for the Arrowverse's Elseworlds crossover with Dr Destiny using it as the main villain...

@@johnnygyro2295 In his series Jack of Fables, Bill Willingham actually uses an idea like this really well with the character of Kevin Thorn, the personification of story-telling. Because Kevin is the personification of story-telling, he's an author, with a book he writes stories in. What Kevin writes in this book becomes real. This is shown off in a scene where drives away one of the Page Sisters, by writing a bunch of starving jackals into existence, which chase her out of his house.

Dorothy Bellion It IS definitely a good idea, not many comics do that idea honestly.

*Spoilers for She-Hulk mini-series: Law and Disorder and Disorderly Conduct A She-Hulk mini-series, “Law and Disorder and Disorderly Conduct, actually did that same concept as a mystery regarding a file called “the Blue File” in which a villain Nighteater sacrificed a whole town to rewrite the Marvel universe to make him into the hero Nightwatch, but a survivor of the incident filed a lawsuit.

I remember a Marvel comic where they did something like that to Nightwatch. The character who was a blatant Spawn ripoff.

I can see Alan Moore owning a collection of magical axes. And being very skilled in their use.

Also during the "EXTREEEEME" segment we get a bunch of foreshadowing flashing on the screen

Sunny Parthos after their little talk I wonder if the blue knight is a true hero or not.

The Blue Knight also hinted that Lord Vyce pretty much has a plan for an interdimensional uprising set in motion, and I think the guys running the contest SHOULD be aware of this at least.

The Blue Knight? That horribly-written robotic Magneto wanna-be from the 2003 Astro Boy cartoon? If this is the case, I hope Linkara kicks his ass.

@@Gaia_BentosZX5 Well considering that these are the entities just handing out an infinity gauntlet as a trophy, not caring who it goes to... Yea, I don't think they care...

Uhhh i kinda wanna know but don't know if I wanna know. Wanna elaborate? I never heard of neonomicon

@@kingpin1331 3 Words: Fish Rape Book

@@kingpin1331 Lovecraftian detective story that contains violent SA against its main character, to a ridiculous extent

Who’s Sela Mathers?

@@daelen.cclark The former protagonist of the Grimm Fairy Tales comics by Zenescope. She is basically Snow White, that goes around with a magic fairy tale book giving people life lessons.

Well I have NOW!! and I want to see that

Dude!!! Your a genius!!! Linkara should totally steal this idea lol

@@smartmouth1819 Hard to do since they were built by different people. Granted The Forge could change that problem. I miss Comicron-2.

I had thought about that for years but I can't imagine how it would look like, probably similar to Tommy's dragon shield with a jetpack on its back

I was thinking about Comicron 1 transforming into a humanoid mode or combining with other things, but he doesn't have enough stuff for the latter. What are Neutro and Comicron 1's relative sizes? Anyone got that info handy?

It's definitely a neat idea to run with for a story.

Glad I'm the only one who dislikes Garth Ennis's hate-boner for superheroes. The guy tends to shove the message that the army are the only true heroes, forgetting that Captain America was quite popular with troops during WW2.

Garth Ennis is just Alan Moore without his redeeming qualities.

Honestly I think Alan Moore does have some fondness for superheroes even if he hates them or he claims to

@LuckyOwl I feel at least Ennis knows what he writes is bitter and silly. Like I can't imagine Ennis would think less of you personally for liking superheroes. But I could see Moore doing that.

@@Hawbitten I haven't read many interviews where he speaks, so I guess I don't know.

What are you talking about? Whose lewis? Thats linkara Nobody is playing different characters they are all distinct unique people who bear exactly no resemblence to each other Nope. No resemblence at all.

I don't k kw who this 'Lewis,' is. Assuming he even exists.

I kinda have the same feeling, and I think it's because it just seems like it's the Jaeris again compared to the Blue Knight. There wasn't anything aside from the hair and facial hair that really separates the two, since it's pretty much the same voice. With other characters, like the King that Linkara had fought for the Contest, there was at least a distinct outfit and voice that gave the character its own identity.

@ULGROTHA He has also been called "Lewis" at least once during a storyline segment. (It happened way back in the original Entity storyline)

@ULGROTHA even in storylines. Liz's famous "snap out of it" line

A match made in hell

His work on Liefeld’s Superman Clone is actually really good. A love letter to Silver Age Supes.

@@bondfall0072 If this is that, what about Liefeld with Gail Symone?

GAIL SIMONE AND ROB LIEFELD TOGETHER?!?

@@Pseudowolf Apparently the first time that Simone's kid was interested in her comics was cause of Liefeld's art.

Was looking for anyone else who commented on this. Also, it doesn't read "We have seen its harbinger. It is the slayer of doom", it reads "We have seen its harbinger. It is the sayer of doom." as in a doom-sayer, a person saying everthing will go wrong or end. You also missed, "The Contest Isn't Over. Stuff Just Gets In The Way." Although that might be there more as a joke/reference about the delays of that storyline.

@@SovereignAure Thanks :D I edited my comment.

Shadethewolfy No problem just trying to help. : )

@@SovereignAure I appreciate it :3

Of course! It was staring us in the face all along! ANCIENT EGYPT!!!

Do we have a cure for Youngblood's disease

DeathGodRiku Well maybe destroy all the Youngblood comics would be a good start.

@@SegaNintendoGuy64 that would only prevent it from spreading

DeathGodRiku Well it’s the best I could think of.

And of course the bloody looking parasite that covers everyone's teeth

BlueStar that's pretty much Avengers Infinity War but instead of a hero it's a ten ft tall purple idiot who thinks halving the population is a good idea.

Megamania Who’s Jim cornette?

@@daelen.cclark A wrestling promoter/manager/booker who had a tendency to rant about how wrestling sucks nowadays. He also has a hate boner for Vince Russo.

That's actually not far off.

The last part is the point though. He don't have a problem with people using old character, he has a problem with creators having to use them to tell basically the same stories over and over.

That whole him being blue and she shaves/dyes his hair is jkust... fucking stupid and preposterous. They look nothing alike! And it wouldn't even work that way!

And the most insulting thing about that is how blatant it is, I remember looking at a Troll cover art that was literally just the artist traced over wolverine, but still was classic Image lazy about it

They shoulda just called him a shapeshifter. The flashback-only blue furry version of him doesn't even have the same build and proportions as the modern-day version!

That's a slash story if I ever heard one.

How exactly?

More like Limp Bizkit or Kid Rock of the comics

The 4th Wall Kid i was getting some power ranger vibes myself

@@joeb8935 Same here

Linkara hearted this comment. You may have predicted one of these. Hopefully mirror Margaret

Your prediction came true, I won't say how if you haven't seen it.

Coming from another fan of his; whatever value you get out of his works is great. Really quite educational.

I...wow i honestly can't blame him at all that movie was HORRIBLE. It doesn't help that outside of V the other adaptations are mixed at best (i personally like Watchmen but it does have flaws and people ARE split on wether it is good or not)

Yeah, but the mindset of 'They pay me, and go off and make whatever, and my book is still there, and it's fine' is something fans and creators need to keep in mind. (At least I will.)

linkara mentioned that some of the story segments were filmed when he was still affiliated with channel awesome. he probably needed to rewrite and reshoot some stuff since he no longer works with ca

It's getting close to October there's always going to be a storyline in October

What's funny is there's a nod to that during the "EXTREME!" part. "The contest isn't over. Stuff just gets in the way." I love those hidden messages. Also included were, "Beware the architects of the mirrors." and "She was left behind. Now she's making plans." Ominous.

Ah, I see you too are a student of foreshadowing plot twists :D

Nah I’d say that the blue knight of Titan was a supporter of vyce given his story of how he chased off after his team’s big bad after said big bad was run off

I thought I for shadowed him being a vice supporter and that he killed his former team when they stood up to him.

@@josephwatkins1190 I disagree. Only a fool lets a murderous villain get away when there's any other option.

His most well known work, Watchmen, is in effect an artistically crafted well written tantrum he threw over Ditko's objectivsm and the reality that the superhero was a closer analogue for that philosophy then his own. His whole career is throwing other people under the bus and acting like a first year communications major despite his age.

@@Mister-Thirteen I don't know if I agree that Objectivism is (broadly speaking) a good analogue for superheroes since the average superhero character is generally rooted in some kind of altruistic motivation, and altruism in any form is deeply at odds with Rand's philosophy (from what I've read, altruism is considered evil, essentially, in her philosophy) but I can see what you're saying about Moore essentially looking at the more Objectivist-influenced Charlton characters (via Ditko) being effective heroes in their universe and him making Watchmen a giant "Nuh-uh!"

@@dmore454 Altruism doesn't exist in Rand's outlook, its a myth, a noble lie. But that doesn't make ethical and the ideals they expose less valuable, if anything it makes them all the more important because they are in effect humanity trying to enforce its will upon a reality void of the justice we demand of it. Superheros are embodied ideals and the Ur-fathers of the genre are very, very objectivist in their outlook. The Phantom, The Shadow, The green Hornet etc. Now #notallsuperheros but Moore was clearly aware of this because he choose to target the hardcore objectivist in the medium and created parodies of his work.

@@Mister-Thirteen we're going to have to agree to disagree here; for me, the influential superheroes of the past 50 years in the medium have some kind of "for the greater good" approach to their motivation, which is something Rand railed against vehemently. Whatever influence the mid-Golden Age heroes to now take from the Ur-fathers has little if anything to do with possibly Objectivist elements to their characters and moreso somewhat superficial elements like wearing a mask, colorful nom-de-guerre, etc. Just look at maybe the most popular and influential superhero of the past decade - Iron Man. He's a billionaire industrialist (Rand's favorite kind of protagonist) and what does he do? He moves his company out of the highly profitable arms industry (besides supplying SHIELD, a multi-national police and peace-keeping task force, with tech, although he stops doing even that later on), which more recent retellings makes a note of how this upsets the shareholders quite a bit and financially weakens the company. He gives up on the idea of profit for profit's sake (very much against her philosophy that espouses accumulating profit is the greatest good and most noble thing to do) in order to use his company's resources to make the world a better place according to a moral code that doesn't factor profit into his motivation other than a resource and necessary evil his company needs for his other, altruistic endeavors. I feel I'm pretty safe in the assumption that if Rand wrote Iron Man, he would never have moved Stark Industries out of the arms industry, and if anything would lobby to be able to sell his weapons to whomever he wished, claiming all fault for evil acts done with his weapons lies with the individuals who used them; he's not personally responsible,for anything. I also don't see him bankrolling the non-profit venture of the Avengers or giving out stipends to other members, arguing if he can be a superhero and make a living that pays his expenses, so can the rest of the members. Then you have Spider-man, and his mantra of "with great power comes great responsibility," which has in turn inspired more than half the Marvel Universe's heroes; it's a mantra tinged with the sentiment that because he has the ability to help the people around him, he has a duty to do so, quite frequently at great personal cost and sacrifice to his relationships and ability to support himself. He attempts to use his powers for personal profit exactly once, fails, and never really does so again, partly because he feels his powers would be wasted that way in terms of benefiting society. Again, I feel safe saying that a more authentically Randian version of Spider-man doesn't give up on trying to use his powers to make a good living in showbiz and goes on to probably become a main-eventer in the UCWF or something instead of stopping crime. I would say these two heroes are much more typical and influential on the genre than the medium's Ur-fathers and have been for a longer stretch of time.

@@karanlalla9854 he did several interviews around the time Before Watchmen was announced where he bashed everyone who was working on it pretty hard after admitting he knew next to nothing about any of them or their personal situations, besides crapping on everyone in the industry in general in those interviews. He also accused Dave Gibbons of being a DC stooge and double agent trying to manipulate him. And then moved the goalposts on his use of existing characters in his previous work-for-hire stories, League of Extraordinary Gentleman and Watchmen after basically saying that any creator that uses characters they didn't create is a hack and opportunist vulture utilizing other people's creativity. I get him being angry at the time, and if he wants to dump on DC as a company, that's fair. But a lot of these guys he bashed usually have to take every gig that comes their way just to put food on the table and a roof over their heads, so his feeling that they should just turn down gigs that violate his personal philosophy of ethics and ceative works ownership is incredibly naive, hypocritical, mean spirited, and unhelpful.

Same here! It's crazy your comment hasn't gotten more likes!

I could be wrong, so please let me know if I am, but Moore himself was actually against what happened to Barbara in the killing joke, but editorial mandate made him do it. Again, I could be wrong.

@@SacridFire I think you were right about that.

@@SacridFire To this day he's still ashamed about that.

@@SacridFire I think he just regretted it after it came out.

The issue is that this simply cannot work thanks to the nature of comics in of itself. The story is never supposed to end, there always has to be a next story which isn't allowed to change the status-quo. Because, lets be real here for a second: Lets say super heroes and -villians appear and start to pull off stuff like in the comics and the world starts to react to them realistically. Multiple massive changes would occur because of this, esspecially in the legal area. Villians couldn't get off easy anymore after some have killed hundreds of people for example because laws would be changed which also maybe even include harsher punishments. Death penalty could legit get back on the table in that case for example if some super-powered criminal individuals come around that cannot be put behind bars with the current level of technology thus leaving no other option. This would only be just one of many, many, many dilemmas caused by this if the world these stories take place in would actually react to many years of super-villiany happining in it. Another issue with this is that, well, the villians reputation getting blown out of proportion thanks to the sliding time-scale. No joke, people have already made the math and found out that, for example, jokers accomplishments (Which includes his mass-murder, jail-breaks, etc.) make no sense if we take time into account. The stuff he did would span multiple decade if we take time into account which he couldn't have. Most of his plans took months and years, including his times in prison, Arkham plus the goverment refusing to actually step in (Which is another discussion but that's another story). To make a long story short (Too late): Pro-active super-hero teams cannot work because the world super heroes live in refuse flatout to grow with its characters, thus making it impossible to make steps forward.

@@EnerKaizer I recommend Invincible by Robert Kirkman cause it tackled all of that and I agree with the series tagline: Greatest Comic in the Universe

@@kingsadvisor18 Yeah... No. I respectfully disagree. Invincible, atleast in my eyes, is everything wrong with modern super hero comics in a nutshell. Way too much gore, next to no substance, does everything just for shock value, boring characters and the things it does good becomes buried underneath its giant flaws. It feels a lot like a modern version of liefelds storys in my opinion. All flash and nothing behind it.

“Rebirth with a vengeance”… Why does that sound so memorable?

WOW... Just... why?

God no! You'd be dead in five minutes!

Oh no. How dare someone use a helpful term to describe something accurately. How evil of them. They must truly be mocked for it. What are you even on about.

@Al X. Andra And of course Jacky Earl Haley as Rorschach.

I always felt it was more him ranting and dismissing something he knows almost next to nothing about it in a shallow attempt to label all millennial pop culture as empty and repetitive. In other words, he let his anger take precedence over telling a good story, and the book suffered for it.

Al X. Andra except they don’t, that’s just exaggerated combat

@@jasonedwards8352 Way I understand it, Rorshach was supposed to be Alan Moore lampooning "crazy American" ideas of objective morality. It was a dig at Steve Ditko's philosophies, which is why Rorschach dresses the same as The Question and Mr. A, two of Ditko's more prominently objectivist characters. Rorschach was supposed to be the crazy loner who would rather sink the ship than keep it afloat with a lie. So it fills me with glee knowing that Rorschach is... well, pretty much everyone's favorite and most relatable character in the whole story.

Al X. Andra stylistic choices don’t win wars

Patton is an Guy who would slap his own men who were having panic attacks that is who is Patton