Your MIXES are not LOUD enough?

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Kohle Audio Kult

Kohle Audio Kult

Күн бұрын

Let's talk MASTERING and LOUDNESS!
Limiting, Clipping, Multiband Compression? Let's shed some light on the mastering jungle. Today, German producer Kristian Kohle (Powerwolf, Aborted, Emil Bulls, Electric Callboy, Melechesh) will walk you through the go-to plugins in his mastering chain.
Check out Ermin Hamidovic's (Periphery, Architects) mastering course:
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00:00 Intro
02:55 Limiter vs Clipper
10:20 Best of both Worlds
12:48 My Plugin Chain
20:34 Learn how to Master Metal!

Пікірлер: 92
@KohleAudioKult
@KohleAudioKult 28 күн бұрын
Which ones are YOUR go-to LOUDNESS PLUGINS?
@TonyJuanPailos
@TonyJuanPailos 23 күн бұрын
Flatline
@sjones3891
@sjones3891 23 күн бұрын
Brainwork Townhouse on the master bus and Waves L1 on the post-master bus
@shogunrogerionoguiera1008
@shogunrogerionoguiera1008 23 күн бұрын
Straight up just turn up Master and Output on Gojira X, also higher eq settings
@TheWolfware
@TheWolfware 23 күн бұрын
A combination of the Molot compressor on the Master track into Realimit.
@dillpereira250
@dillpereira250 23 күн бұрын
For transparent compression: Kotelnikov (Tokyo Down Labs); or Magenta (acustica) if I want something more colorful. For harmonic distortion: Jam (acustica) or Oxford Inflator, and for clip/limiter: Standard Clip + FG-x2 or ozone limiter, sometimes stacked with L2 for a little bit of midrange presence
@Alex-ho5so
@Alex-ho5so 17 күн бұрын
Fragments of Unbecoming!♥♥♥♥♥
@resington
@resington 23 күн бұрын
I use Reaper's Event Horizon and Master Limiter then Mojo by air windows. Works like a treat and can go as loud as I want while retaining reasonable dynamics.
@RolandDeschain1
@RolandDeschain1 22 күн бұрын
I've been using your mastering template for years.
@resington
@resington 22 күн бұрын
@@RolandDeschain1 thanks dude! Glad it helps.
@Vegapoint
@Vegapoint 21 күн бұрын
Same as you, thank you so much ! @resington
@resington
@resington 21 күн бұрын
@@Vegapoint cheers!
@jamisondebolt5590
@jamisondebolt5590 19 күн бұрын
Have you gor a video about this that I can watch?
@nickolasgough8529
@nickolasgough8529 23 күн бұрын
Flatline 2 Hybrid Mode - Definitely a game changer. 💯 My current Mastering chain consists of Pro Q3 (Fabfilter) into Kotelnikov Mastering Compressor (Tokyo Dawn) into Flatline 2 in Hybrid Mode (Submission Audio) into Pro L2 (Fabfilter) (Serial limiting) - Such incredible tools, hand-crafted by professionals for cavemen like us to use. 😅
@lucwilson1
@lucwilson1 23 күн бұрын
Love these how-to’s! Nice Kristian-thnx!!
@mattgrou
@mattgrou 23 күн бұрын
I'm glad you're talking about this loudness madness! I've been loving Flatline 2 and now I'm definitely curious of that MD3!
@KohleAudioKult
@KohleAudioKult 23 күн бұрын
Give it a try!
@ofir_likes_beer
@ofir_likes_beer 22 күн бұрын
I compress with an UnFairchild (UTA) and limit with the Safari Pedals Lion Master
@MoreMeRecording
@MoreMeRecording 22 күн бұрын
Interesting stuff.
@vincentemerald2574
@vincentemerald2574 23 күн бұрын
This is great knowledge @Kristian Kohle thanks this is where I loose the power of my mixes trying to push the limit of volume lol Gotta find that killer balance with clipping and limiting
@Ryan_Messenger
@Ryan_Messenger 22 күн бұрын
You're an inspiration, bro🤘
@KohleAudioKult
@KohleAudioKult 22 күн бұрын
🤘❤️
@Real_shred_krueger
@Real_shred_krueger 18 күн бұрын
Thank you
@KohleAudioKult
@KohleAudioKult 18 күн бұрын
You're welcome!
@joesmith5617
@joesmith5617 23 күн бұрын
Initial clipper is a great free plug in for getting stuff loud whilst keeping dynamics if anyone wants to give it a try uts also extremely simple to use
@rossbalch
@rossbalch 23 күн бұрын
Would love to see you give Newfangled Elevate a go. It uses similar multiband processing but has transient emphasis controls too.
@Gregypo085
@Gregypo085 23 күн бұрын
Great video as always man! Based on what I'm hearing here I really like the Flatline. I don't do my own mastering but would you suggest getting the plugin regardless? The hybrid feature seems great.
@KreativeDevices
@KreativeDevices 22 күн бұрын
🔥
@sgfdancecompany
@sgfdancecompany 23 күн бұрын
for me the best clipper are the Sir audio (the best one) and the TDR Limiter 6 GE Clipper Module
@Paul_Medic
@Paul_Medic 23 күн бұрын
My chain for loudness is Flatline 2 > Oxford Inflator > FF Pro L2 > Weiss MM-1. Flatline 2 doing the heavy lifting, Inflator for character, L2 for 0.5-1.0db boost then Weiss in transparent mode to add the last 1-2db.
@Abenteuer_Gitarre
@Abenteuer_Gitarre 23 күн бұрын
I use Flatline 2 into a FabFilter Pro L2
@DanGatesMetal
@DanGatesMetal 22 күн бұрын
New Fragments Of Unbecoming?! 😮😮😮
@KohleAudioKult
@KohleAudioKult 22 күн бұрын
Indeed! 😎
@Durkhead
@Durkhead 23 күн бұрын
Iv been trying to think of it like a lens like the louder the mix is closer to you but its kind of blurry the more dynamic is further away but its not detailed and what you want is for it to be in focus not to far away but not to close so its not to loud but still detailed
@CrushingAxes
@CrushingAxes 22 күн бұрын
Never loud enough! Unfortunately! Man I have flatline in every mix! It's great!
@brozio77
@brozio77 22 күн бұрын
Personally i prefer the cleaner limiter even of has his disadvantages. Clipper Is good for some distorted drums but not on cymbals they sound harsher fizzy
@petefannin
@petefannin 21 күн бұрын
🍺🐐
@kariskgtr
@kariskgtr 22 күн бұрын
Nice vid Kris… Now I’m curious about what LUFS target that you usually aim when you master tracks in real world? From this video I saw at the Flatline 2 momentary or short term tab around -9 LUFS. Thanks before 🔥
@KohleAudioKult
@KohleAudioKult 22 күн бұрын
TBH, I don't really care about the numbers. I just go to the point where it's loud and still sounds punchy. I still use an RMS measurement and aim for roughly -8dB max.
@kariskgtr
@kariskgtr 22 күн бұрын
@@KohleAudioKult Thanks for your response. And I wanna know your opinion about big mastering engineers mastered their tracks at -6 or -5 LUFS. I have several friend that master their song in Sterling sound and other big names, when they gave their mastered wav tracks to me, I measured it and average level are either -6 or -5 LUFS. What’s your opinion about it?
@martinschubert7031
@martinschubert7031 21 күн бұрын
I'm using reapers Event Horizon clipper ... sounds way better than trying to get the same loudness with a limiter.
@xerixm5314
@xerixm5314 22 күн бұрын
if the mix is good, its not necessary to have a m,astering chain all youll need is a saturator. but since were talking about clippers/limiters ide say : Inflator, StandardClip, Newfangled Saturate & Pro L2. Dangerous Bax EQ & Mixconsole v3 brainworx are good for shaping before you clip into a limiter 🤘
@thevicol
@thevicol 23 күн бұрын
I still buy CDs. I don't use streaming, only files on physical media.
@metalstrand2795
@metalstrand2795 23 күн бұрын
You mentioned MD4 but that one does not have auto-gain so you cant push into it by increasing ratio etc like you can with MD3. Flatline is my current favourite limiter too, ill try the 20% channel-linking 🤘
@KohleAudioKult
@KohleAudioKult 23 күн бұрын
Oh really? Interesting I thought it was the modernized version including all the basic MD3 features.
@GrMfull
@GrMfull 22 күн бұрын
What is the plugin / method used to stay at high volume when you have only 1 guitar or just vocal AT a moment in a song ? Like "pictures in the gold room" intro of Chimaira
@KohleAudioKult
@KohleAudioKult 22 күн бұрын
There's no difference really.
@IanMainBliss
@IanMainBliss 22 күн бұрын
What do you think about the bottom up mixing method where you get each individual track closer to peak loudness more so instead of doing the whole mix?
@KohleAudioKult
@KohleAudioKult 22 күн бұрын
That has never worked for me, no additional loudness from limiting groups and stems. And I did quite some testing.
@tobins6800
@tobins6800 22 күн бұрын
So the long and short, limiting is more like compression and clipping is more like a saturation. Listening to the toms portion, made me realize that bands didn't use different size snares as toms. To be fair, that could also be an artistic decision.
@flachmann161
@flachmann161 22 күн бұрын
I'm only using the normalize function on reapers export/rendering, is that a bad idea, should I rather use some plugins for that?
@KohleAudioKult
@KohleAudioKult 18 күн бұрын
You need limiting to chop of the peaks so you can normalize again. That will make it appear louder to or ears without having a higher peak level.
@lexlux777
@lexlux777 17 күн бұрын
Hello, sir Kohle, what chair is that you’re using?
@KohleAudioKult
@KohleAudioKult 17 күн бұрын
Topstar X-Pander
@MyBichSustained
@MyBichSustained 23 күн бұрын
I'm a crappy mixer and i just use the match eq,no doubleing guitars most of the time and throw a ezmix master and use my mac speakers to mix and they have been better for me then using monitors. When i do double guitars they come out thick ...don't knock it till you try it.
@DaveChips
@DaveChips 23 күн бұрын
After attending baphometrix's school... I need to pull back my volume levels out of the clippers for extra them... "dynamics" 😅
@Durkhead
@Durkhead 23 күн бұрын
Neutron 4 is free right now and ik multimedia's master match works really good
@5150forevermore
@5150forevermore 23 күн бұрын
Venn Audio Free Clip
@jenyahp2828
@jenyahp2828 23 күн бұрын
lol Flatlines thrashold is set to -4.20
@KohleAudioKult
@KohleAudioKult 23 күн бұрын
The incoming input signal is at -1bBFS max. That means we have only 3dB of gain reduction.
@jenyahp2828
@jenyahp2828 23 күн бұрын
@@KohleAudioKult yeah. I just thought about the 420 thing lol. yeah dumb joke. sorry :D
@martywitzberg
@martywitzberg 23 күн бұрын
Umm, saturation? 🤷‍♂️ limiter+saturation+compressor+subtractive EQ+boost EQ
@DavidMadeira29
@DavidMadeira29 23 күн бұрын
Do you ever do one thing thinking another. I do, then I'd hate when other would pretend to know what I was doing mixing the samples rates. What Mike Patton and Paul Anka could had in common with Michael Anthony and Tony Maserati?! I don't know. I'm not really a Diesel guy. Namastè.
@sr-vw2pm
@sr-vw2pm 23 күн бұрын
2nd. Booooo
@chrismonaut
@chrismonaut 23 күн бұрын
Sadly you can't buy MD3 anymore :(
@KohleAudioKult
@KohleAudioKult 22 күн бұрын
Yes, you can! 🤩 Just scroll down to "buy native" and there you go! www.tcelectronic.com/tcelectronic/product?modelCode=0815-ACI
@chrismonaut
@chrismonaut 22 күн бұрын
@@KohleAudioKult wow, now I found it, thanks. On PC there were like 10 dead links to websites where I should buy the plugin and none of them still did... On good old Kleinanzeigen hardware finalizers seem to be pretty inexpensive. But I'm not sure how different all the versions are. Definitely something I got to look into
@dnarecording
@dnarecording 22 күн бұрын
Volume doesn't matter if it sounds like shit....fyi
@rinderpes3588
@rinderpes3588 22 күн бұрын
"The platform will automatically compensate" Smashes mix anyway. "Don't do anything that makes the mix sound worse, only louder" Does things that destroys the mix. I honestly don't understand the way you think, man.
@KohleAudioKult
@KohleAudioKult 22 күн бұрын
I thought I explained it. Let me try again: We're used to a certain amount of limiting these days and consider that pleasing. Nothing wrong about that. Just don't go beyond the point where it sounds good to your ears. In this example I go a little too far to demonstrate the difference between the plugins.
@ferociousmullet9287
@ferociousmullet9287 19 күн бұрын
Said it before and I will say it again, you do not need plugins of any description to get loud mixes. Learn to mix first. Everything else is a crutch for bad technique. I can easily hit -6 or even higher with no limiting or compression what so ever on master busses or groups. Learn to mix, 'density' is in the mix and arrangement and choice of sounds. No where else.
@jamisondebolt5590
@jamisondebolt5590 19 күн бұрын
This is the most tonedeaf comment I've seen in a while. Sure, you can get to a "decent" point by adjusting the levels of your tracks; but let's get one thing straight: that is not mixing. You do, in fact, need basics such as compression, eq, limit/clip, reverb, delay, etc to *mix* and especially to get anything towards a modern mix.
@jamisondebolt5590
@jamisondebolt5590 19 күн бұрын
Say8ng you can turn your tracks up in order to hit -6 is not only an incredibly weird flex, it's also not impressive or difficult. Hitting -6 does not mean everything sounds good. 😂
@ferociousmullet9287
@ferociousmullet9287 18 күн бұрын
@@jamisondebolt5590 You completely missed the point. *slow clap* imagine sounding this smug and completely not getting the point of the post. Who said anything about any of those others tools? My point was LOUDNESS is created via levels, choice of sound and arrangment. Which you turned into hurr durr you need reverb and eq. The topic at hand is plugins that explicitly get you loud mixes. So it is those I am saying you do not need. Because loudness is created via these other areas. But hey you know better right. Confidently incorrect 101. All these loudness plugins are the complete opposite of what most people crave which is punch and a feeling of weight and power. Which all come from dynamics. Something every one of these plugins destroys. They all add distortion as well. And the net result is nothing but mix after mix of loud, harsh and flat sounding mixes with no excitement, dynamics or punch. Modern mixes mostly sound like complete arse as a result. But hey if you like your music sounding flat, overly distorted and harsh with no real low end. You do you. Loudness is the antithesis of good mixes.
@jamisondebolt5590
@jamisondebolt5590 18 күн бұрын
@ferociousmullet9287 when I say "modern mixes" I mean like 2000s and forward. I'd agree, much of what comes out these days is far too sterile.
@jamisondebolt5590
@jamisondebolt5590 18 күн бұрын
@ferociousmullet9287 my point stands - it's pretty standard practice to hit -6 or above without any effects on the master bus BEFORE mastering. This video is obviously about making that "louder" (perceived loudness, lufs, etc). I still stand by my previous statement that getting your mixes to the volume standard at which it is commonly stated you should be at before mastering "with no plug-ins on the master bus" sounds pretty dense, considering that, as previously stated multiple times, is the *commonly practiced standard* to get your mix to *before applying anything to the master bus* 😘
@pedroboschibrasil
@pedroboschibrasil 22 күн бұрын
Urgh… painful, this sounds horrible, no intent to offend, but this does not sound like music
@superiorjamtracks2189
@superiorjamtracks2189 7 күн бұрын
The other day, i used my loop back function to record a Lifehouse song playing from Spotify. It was coming in at --5 LUFS. So there really is no volume matching/leveling going on with Spotify. Loudness Wars are still going strong.
@KohleAudioKult
@KohleAudioKult 7 күн бұрын
Then you have that feature bypassed. Look it up in your settings
@Guitarwizardjoinme
@Guitarwizardjoinme 6 күн бұрын
@@KohleAudioKult The point is the average person isn't looking through settings on Spotify. The only people who care about that stuff are mixers. Most people are unaware.
@musicproductioncentral4540
@musicproductioncentral4540 6 күн бұрын
​@@KohleAudioKult I just opened settings in Spotify. There's no such function that i can see.
@daystrainsandtracks1246
@daystrainsandtracks1246 6 күн бұрын
@@KohleAudioKult That function is on mobile app, but not for PC/desktop
@KohleAudioKult
@KohleAudioKult 6 күн бұрын
@daystrainsandtracks1246 It is everywhere. Also on Desktop.
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