Joy Ang, they reverse image searched her art school work and found the copies on her own site but they just screenshot the google search and didn't click on it to see the source. After bringing her to tears they were very embarrassed when she pointed this out.

​@@thenecessaryevil2634I hope she sued them for causing such distress.

@@thenecessaryevil2634 The real question is, were they embarrassed enough to start checking sources from now on? Guess we'll find later.

I've had that happen. I submitted some examples of previous writing, and they came up with my own writing blog (myspace). Luckily it wasn't any of my published work, since I did ghost writing and my name wasn't on a bunch of stuff. I'd have had to get the publisher to send a letter.

Had similar happen to me, by other photographers claiming my pics as theirs. I shot them down pretty hard when i pulled the original exif serial out of the image, showing it came from my camera, and had their site taken down for infringement and got some fees for it as well, as they were selling the pictures. Their clients weren't too happy about him, as they didn't own the rights to use the images, and that would cause issues for them as it gone into print etc. I didn't have a grudge with the clients who had acted in good faith, so cut them a good deal and had them go after the other guy.

But they appear to LOVE AI generated videos about celebrities and animal welfare, that generate loads of clicks and likes, even though the content is absolute garbage. Sometimes the 'animal welfare' ones appear to be people doing horrible things to cute animals, just so they can film themselves 'rescuing' them, for money. The whole thing is SO messed up, with no intelligent or principled humans at the helm, it's an increasingly crazy dystopia. 😕

@@papercup2517 YT certainly loves any clickbait content with bad rumors about celebrities.

@@papercup2517 They also love videos by young “ladies” wearing little or nothing. But real content is anathema to the people in charge of KZfaq.

Has ever since google bought the place

Exactly what you should expect from a monopoly.

Yes, indeed! KZfaq will need to tweak and evolve to delineate between tutorial analyzations and simply re-playing copyrighted music for others' listening enjoyment. Fil is teaching viewers; he's not just playing and singing other artist's songs for our listening pleasure.

This. So many make a living on reaction videos alone (aka not their original content) but for some reason KZfaq is ok with that. But original creators are constantly facing issues with KZfaq, I see this all the time. I basically only follow creative arts channels and it's absurd how often many creators have this happen to them.

HAS BECOME

Just call it "guitar tutor reacts" Done.

I once posted a vid of our band doing a cover of metal classic *_Paranoid_* , got a copyright infringement claim of melody FROSTY THE SNOWMAN

@@JasonKaler well some creators are stubborn, others are on rumble or elsewhere and make money with patreon. this yt mess has been going on for years and people seem to love it. constant threats of getting the channel deleted, ads placed on videos against their will, problems with getting the money. youtube creators just love the abuse, else they would just make 3min videos telling the viewers where to watch the real stuff.

@@JasonKaler They should pay me to watch some of these ridiculous videos. I pay to block their ads because I am not buying the crap they are selling anyway! The time I save not watching the ads is well worth the cost.

​@@JasonKalernot true. Why do you think KZfaq is going so far to get people to stop using it? It's affecting their profit margin. They don't give two shits about the creators on here, it's all about their bottom line. If you think otherwise, I'm sorry.

@@JasonKaler Maybe content makers shouldn't put their eggs in one basket. Patreon exists for a reason.

@@JasonKaler Too many of the one I watch don't get paid anyway. Which is why they accept sponsorship and external donation platforms.

Yep, I as well consider this harassment. It is the highest time for a Euro-KZfaq.

AI is why you just got block and it’s going to get worse.

@@Renshen1957shouldn’t that be AU - “Artificial Unintelligence”?

It could very well be, although Synonyms starting with letter I: idiot inane irresponsible imbecile inane inept irrational irrational Insentient ignorant injudicious Would equally apply

The Golden Age of Salieris!

at this point someone should really do it just so youtube fixes this mess.

Copyright rush E ​@@Tetracera.

She is good, watched a fair bit of her content.

A reactor and a world class opera singer! Good to know she’s as kind in the real world to other content creators as she seems on her videos.

Tbh a bigger question is why should content creator jump through hoops of bureaucratic gymnastics if all he wants is to not have a video of him playing something which is clearly not a coherent song get copyrighted.

@@JediMage I agree, but how much of that system is run by bots and other forms of AI? If he can get the right formula for getting through to a real human, he might have better success with the system. It's a completely asinine aggravation no creator with integrity deserves to go though, but alas, the world we live in....

​@@JayCamp4It's run by bots, and lazy employees who don't want to look through it, unless noise is made.

Right, and even if you win the dispute you've lost all that initial revenue.

Exactly correct.

I had a video of mine get claimed.(they claimed the music but they were neither the real owner nor the music composer, who did get upset by it)

They are also illegal.

Remember content producers are YTs product, not their customer. The viewer is their customer. From their standpoint, it would be like McDonalds caring about what the hamburger thinks. As a YT customer, I really think they need to fix their problems and treat content providers fairly. This will improve the content for us viewers.

Totally agree with this. Its not just pathetic. Its non existent

Yes, and the Google behind it is too much obsessed with copyright to the extent that it has become an obstacle against independent content creators and against creativity in general.

I know!! They're just an enigma!! It's an algorithm !!

​@@Planet-of-the-Gibbonswell said mate!!!

YT changes the weather?

youtube is in the business of making money. when enforcing bogus copywrite makes them money they will, when allowing people to blatantly steal content makes them money they will. and when it neither makes or looses them money, they won't really care what they do. That will always be the case. The only way to change their behaviour is to change what makes and looses them money. But us average folks have very little influence over that. Only big companies and creators or governments have that kind of power

@@benjamingaster Within the YT ecosystem, yes.

Always has been. You've never been able to get hold of a human to review anything, unless you're a really big name with a personal liaison at KZfaq. It is extremely frustrating.

Thats how big brother government works.

Google pretty much do not have costumer support, you only speak with robots that send you in circles for eternity...

@@steveperson5686 Considering we're talking about a corporation here, it's big brother capitalism. When capitalists own the means of production, everyone is beholden to them ,even gocernments.

Same as Facebook. (likeif you report a scam account they will see "nothing wrong" and preceded on.

Wow.

Welcome to the corporate controlled world. Its all about the pennies

Cmon, really?

It's AI. It's All AI. That Is All. And You Can'T Talk To Ai. Sorry.

@@vanessafletcher6710 , You’re right. I lost my original account. They won’t give it back because of 2 factor authentication. After months of frustration, I gave YT (Google), my current and only valid phone number. Their bots won’t even let me erase the obsolete landline and cell phone numbers and input the 6 year old existing one. @ditzygypsy, I hope you have a hard copy/master tape.

Like VAR in the English Premier League!

Obviously "Instructional". Should not get "Striked".

@Andy_Panda, do you really expect computer algorithms to be able to differentiate someone mentioning a song and using the song, but not reviewing it or critiquing it, as opposed to someone talking about a song & playing a song in a review video. Algorithms are digital! Nothing is "listening" as how we hear it. When the songs recognition apps are 100% correct all the time, get back to me with your comment; it'll be more acceptable consideration, then. [I'm not defending the YT systems, dislike it as much as anyone, & been a victim of it long ago, but computers aren't really doing Artificial Intelligence yet. AI is just a fancy way of saying millions of gigs more is used in data-sets, to get results. Everything, even how Chat GPT auto writes, is still programmed by people].

Yes absolutely. They can analyze and correct script and audio now, so it's an easy go to consider the entirety of the video using the content in question. Or, stop making music about money. It has killed it quite dead already​@@CityBeatEntertainme5

I don't think that's the issue, but rather the fact that it's difficult to dispute.

Unfortunately that is a thing, in academia you have to directly refer the older papers you're quoting, including your own.

John Fogerty got sued for plagerizing his own music. So this kinda thing does happen to even the more famous people too.

An alternative site would likely face the same issues (though more competition could be beneficial). Section 230, which protects U.S. websites from liability for user-generated content, does not shield them from intellectual property claims. Therefore, websites need measures to avoid lawsuits. False positives likely have negligible consequences, and the manpower required to manually review every flagged piece of content would be astronomical.

Alternative to youtube is so badly needed.

Desperately

Hopefully as AI improves it will be able to distinguish between samples and examples of techniques used.

We have one, Its called Rumble

They are above those things, unfortunately 😢

It's a dictatorship here. I've had perfectly innocuous comments removed for "violating community guidelines". Whenever this happens, I get a little pop-up message warning me that if I "continue to leave messages like this", etc, except that it never actually highlights the offending message. So I'm not sure how KZfaq expects me to stop posting "messages like this" when I don't even know what the "this" in question even is. There's something very Kafkaeseque about how KZfaq operates, and I'm thinking "The Trial" in particular.

It's their platform. Stop using it and stop watching it.

@@Mac.rodose What a wus.

They are not even remotely similar. The automakers have a profit incentive to make an algorithm that makes correct decisions. KZfaq has a profit incentive to make an algorithm that makes incorrect decisions in favor of the music rights organization every time. It's the same thing they've been doing for years.

Detecting copyright and recognising objects are two very different things. The only overlap is that they both have video data. But their end-task is vastly different. It's like saying that a tea kettle and coffe maker are identical.

​@@suddeneevee9441HTML Error 418: I'm a teapot

Honestly I don't trust humans to drive our cars either.

I don't even really trust humans to drive cars

No, sorry, it isn't. It's only fair use if the complete clip you used is needed to get your point across. Like for example, if you're commenting on an artist's appearance and use a clip from their music video, it's not fair use, because you could have gotten your point across with a still image from that music video. A large number of "fair use" claims on youtube are actually factually wrong.

Educational use of copywrited material is always fair use.

@@cathleenc6943 Again, no, sorry, it isn't. Only if that material is needed for the educational purpose.

⁠@@MyRegardsToTheDodopretty sure a tutorial is classified as a fair use.

@@MyRegardsToTheDodoa tutorial is educational in nature cause it’s showing people how to do stuff!

Those live people are highly paid managers that don’t give a damn about any individual human, or any harm done to them by their arbitrary & capricious tools.

Oh, sure. Let's just call them up on the phone. Or e-mail them this link. They're waiting to hear from you.

they don't. they handed it off to the claimant long ago, short of an actual DMCA filing. and since most of the world doesn't involve the DMCA.. well, there you go.

Oh, those aren't auto-claims. Other companies put up public domain performances and then copyright claim anyone that puts up their own performances, because if KZfaq sees that they have an older version of the performance, they won't support you in a copyright claim. Then the accuser is the one who decides whether or not to rescind the copyright claim. That's the best part. KZfaq doesn't decide how this ends. The company that made the accusation is the judge and jury.

⁠I’ve gotten copyright claims on Gregorian chant.

Two hundred years!!! Gotta love coputers!

​​@@JediKnyghtewasn't Gaudete was it? I did a brass band arrangement using a legit version of Sibelous and had an email to tell me that the copyright was still in effect (some 500 years after it was originally written), then O Store Gud aka How Great Thou Art, another brass band arrangement of a 15th century Swedish folk song, it was removed within minutes with a warning that if I continue to 'plagiarise' I'd have my page taken down 😂

@@bazharnett7904 Missa de Angelis, a capella (so no accompaniment issues).

be his lawyer you can do this

What we would he gain? Lost revenue for one video? That doesn't add up.

@@hendrikvanleeuwen9110 rights

@@HunterShows a right to his own stuff? He already has that. It would be just a case for damages, which wouldn't cover the legal fees.

@@hendrikvanleeuwen9110 Settlements frequently include legal fees including damages. He does NOT have the right to his own stuff because as you have seen, KZfaq is denying him that.

What about me making scrambled eggs?

or a politician being a politician.

@@PostageDew-yg9cr How do you know?

@@PostageDew-yg9cr Interesting

i saw a web developer show index.html in his video, that must be a copyright claim too.

YT doesn't want to spend all their time guessing what is fair use and getting sued by record companies

@@fuzzy1dk True

Yeah, YT doesn't even try. There's no way to challenge their bad decisions, either.

Yep. Just acts like it does and does what's convenient for the platform. Never the user that gives the platform reason or meaning.

​@@sister_bertrille911not at all. Too AI heavy which also lets you know how little they pay people or how job availabilities are more or less nonexistent.

Canadian Stud Muffins?? They should have demonetized that person's channel just for using that name.

@@siberianhusky5874 Why, because you are a triggered woke leftie?

rumble

​@siberianhusky5874 that name is better than a breed of dog.

@@YatesNYC But I don't post videos, I just watch and respond to some of them.

Which platforms? Facebook and Instagram are unacceptable. Patreon is doable, but I think they limit storage/charge more for storage. Discord might be workable for some features. Zefrank1 made a post about KZfaq last year, when the new CEO started pushing shorts, and punishing long form creators. We need something completely new.

Yes. I'm starting to get some of my comments blocked. Not swearing, no racism, no nasty calling names. The last comment I got block was someone asked what AARO was, an overseeing part of the government containing sightings of UAPs by military personnel. Which is pretty much what I said. Let's see if this gets blocked also.

@@tootz1950 Yes, and I can only sympathise - I'm being blocked too, increasingly often. Like you, I don't go in for rudeness, nasty name-calling, racism or any other-ism or -phobia, but always try and present reasoned arguments, sometimes on political controversies. I'm sure my views may not always be immediately understandable and might well annoy some people, but I do always endeavour to express myself respectfully. I see others being appalling in many of the above ways without being blocked, but for some reason, mine are. There's not way of knowing why. I don't usually post on the usual trigger subjects like pandemic conspiracies, official and unofficially sanctioned remedies, etc. I call people by their proper names, including 'Mr' or 'Ms' and I try to retain a sense of humour and compassion, even when strongly disagreeing with someone. Sometimes I'll spend quite a bit of time making sure my arguments are reasonable and clearly expressed, and my tone non-nasty. I just don't understand how YT's weird monitoring system works or what I can do about it. They even once accused me of running a scam, after I'd reported a lot of scams to them, and banned me for a day. They did give me the opportunity to comment, so I did, and asked them to just tell me which posts/ comments had given them this impression, but I never heard back from them - no explanation at all. It's just bizarre, and increasingly disheartening.

You are delusional if you dont understand that they are all the same. Or at least they will be. If youtube starts to fall and somewhere else takes over, you will get the same result in the end. ALL platforms would censor you during COVID if you had the wrong opinion, or said the wrong theory about COVID.

@@tootz1950yes, my comments are eliminated on other channels quite often.

What about George Harrison's My Sweet Lord sounding like He's So Fine by the Chiffons

@@Kat-I-am3333 that faint whoosh you may or may not have heard was the point going over your head at a very slow speed

My first thought too! Fogerty won that case...eventually, after much lawyer fees down the toilet.

​@@Kat-I-am3333was George Harrison part of the Chifftons? I must have missed that. Because what's significant about the issue with Fogarty is that he was the main songwriter and vocalist of CCR. He was being accused of stealing from himself. Would your example be about Harrison stealing from himself?

@@pjaypender1009 no, the Chiffons was an all-girl group in the 60s

Agreed. Even repeating facts verified by fact-checkers goes against "community standards."

Rumble?

​@@jumpingpeppers2263No, definitely no. Rumble is owned by a right wing billionaire. It will end up being worse than YT.

I agree. I can see no reason whatsoever why some of my comments have been deleted. What’s bizarre is I will get notifications in email saying that my comment was responded to, but the comment is gone. No sense at all.

Really. Several times now they blocked me from commenting for a day or so, and I've never had the SLIGHTEST idea why.

Even better, someone got a copyright strike for silence

Never ever use the letter X anymore, it has been copyrighted to replace (ex)twitter 😅

I wish they would lose out all together to the big R

Didn't Cadbury try and copyright the colour purple?

@@jameslong9921 Candy Crush tried to copyright the use of candy in video games.

Too bad Fil can’t do a Troll Corner on YT LOL!

@@glamgal7106, Oh, he should make a FilToon about it. That would be hilarious.

It's not so nuts when you realize it's all automated for the benefit corporations and KZfaq bows to corporations. Validating the legitimacy of claims would take human interaction and that would cost money.

This! ☝️

There's no human review involved whatsoever. Also, you can try your hardest to initiate a human interaction with someone from KZfaq via email, or through KZfaq's own 'help' channels, etc, etc, and you will never get to speak to an actual human being about your problem. I feel for Phil here because he literally has no way of resolving his issue since there is no human KZfaq representative who will to listen to or investigate the problems he is experiencing.

@@LordHighnessRegarding Artificial Intelligence, emphasize Artificial. The bots have taken over.

@@LordHighness Twitter is a good place to yell at KZfaq....

This is the way all service will become. Soon.

Customer service is a thing of the past. They don’t give a 💩 about their customers!!! ☮️🖤🤘

@@jskit92380 It's literally impossible. They'd have to employ and train hundreds of thousands to do this work. I'm not defending YT -- I have had videos and my entire channel shut down, wrongly, multiple times. It just is what it is.

So frustrating, whenever I try the Contact me of a company you end up with a bot who doesn’t answer questions just has generic queries then asks if you find it helpful . No I don’t. You just go round in circles. Poor Fil

@@kristymac3236 I did customer support for EOD robotics for 8 years. US military and first responder. Required to solve their peoblems then and there even if a bomb was live and present. Unheard of today. Glad to have done it, A bit drunk at the moment. Happy Birthday USA.

It's learning. Didn't you do stupid things as a toddler?

The whole copyright law is broken. It needs a complete overhaul.

​​@@SirStumblesALot Exactly. Copyright law and treaties have run amok and they are widely unenforceable on today's internet without automated pattern recognition and ai. This is why KZfaq is desperate and has to use automated detection systems. They are liable for infringements on their platform but detecting infringements in a hundred million videos is really hard. The fundamental problem isn't KZfaq. The problem is copyright law itself and the way it has been lobbied to mostly serve huge corporations and asset owners.

Just at KZfaq? That’s generous

I agree !

Or at least the makings of a great mass media human interest story.

If anybody is claiming ownership of Fil playing, then they're technically committing copyright infringement themselves (ironically). So yes, he has grounds to pursue legal action, but is it worth it?

Give it time.

What Fil said about AI is indeed the problem. The sheer volume of data that is uploaded to this platform every day, cannot possibly be monitored by a human being. Algo's have been created to "do" that job, but as we can see, they don't have any judgement. This is why people always say to challenge copyright claims, as the feedback might be considered by an actual person, so has a much better chance of being OK. Still does not always work, but has a good chance.

@@NinjaKittyBonks Tells me what to do, for sure!

oh my lord

Lawyers.

Yikes

Google (including KZfaq) is evil.

Literally this. I no longer tick the box for KZfaq on DistroKid when uploading my content. The few pennies or even dollars I might get from a track on KZfaq contentID, is not worth the frustration of the majority of people I wouldn't mind using the music for their video - it's just free advertising anyway - and most importantly, getting content warnings on your OWN content! So, I just do not use contentID anymore. Most of my stream money comes in from Spotify, Amazon, and Beatport anyway. I get some from KZfaq Red on occasion as well.

We are at this point, Rick Beato ponted this once out, they start to copyright basic chord progressions and perhaps tomorrow a single note. Not YT but the music industry and finally they stand behind this stiffness of YT, because you know since 50 years they claim "we could have earned ### billions more, if not... (cassette, cd, and-so-on)". That's how sick beanscounters think. *It's not that they have a loss but they could have earned more based on their own prognosis and than they claim this difference as a loss in profit.* This and other sick ideas they teach in our businessschools - others learn a craft.

@@Gernot66 I could not agree more. I love Huey Lewis but was also kinda sad that he won a suit against the song Ghostbusters for plagiarizing I want a new drug. While if your looking for similarities you can find them I think it was an overreach, and such cases are far too common for my liking. Before someone comments this, I am ware that Huey Lewis was approached and declined to write songs for Ghostbusters but again IMHO Ghostbusters was an original work by Ray Parker Jr. It goes to show that a few chords in common and maybe some similarities to the beat and guitar riff is all it takes. Given that standard nearly any two songs could be compared to look for commonality and it can be found in a scale of only 13 notes and the circle of 5th being a pretty dominant way to create a progression.

@@larrybremer4930 Which leads to such as a by me rearranged midi of a triosonata by Bach was once claimed as an instrumental part of a to me unknown pop band. Poor Johann Sebastian. It's really fucked up. I often guess that the music will work for a clip just to to have another copyright claim for a noise (typically soundtracker modules from the '90s which i often use), really a noise just a beam which could be any beam you create with a parametrical synthesizer and it was claimed as copyrighted because a similar beam sfx was used in i don't know which synth-track, yes it was about 10 seconds long but that is still a single sfx even if it would last a minute or whatever would match the lead-in to a track. 🤦‍♂. Next time someone records a wind noise created on a Moog and because it matches "wish you where here" in duration it's copyrighted. (my channel fortunately isn't monetized, btw it's a new one i started because i was very frustrated after the adblocker blocking because the warning still appeared a month later after i removed my adblocker). If we extend this idea tomorrow certain keyword phrases to program an AI generated track can be copyrighted. I mean if i can copyright the setup for a parametrical or analogue synthesizer? Factually this all can't be copyrighted but you have to bring the proof to refute the claim, which sometimes really works but usually not, it's still their matter to accept the refute neither that they have to proof their claim or refusing of a refuted claim. The prosecutor is an algorithm, and it doesn't stops searching until it finds a pimple because there is always a pimple to find if you dig deep enough. So we have to live with the fact that "Redemption Song" electrified version with the Waylers isn't Bob Marley at all, it happened to me quite long ago. Some artificial character, i searched for the Single and it's the only one of this "Artist" played by and copyrighted to xy but none of what would be known to my as pseudonym for Lee Perry. For claiming twice (i refuted the refuse) that it is Bob Marley i was fined with a cancelling of my channel for half a year. I guess third time you receive this penalty you will be removed completly. *You can try to refute it once but never refute it twice!* Since there is no real way for you to bring evidence except to send them the master reel. A copyright claim for a bootleg and claiming the bootleg is the original🤦‍♂ oh yeah! Mindless machine. --- I have an unregistered HMV record of Rudolf Serkin playing Beethoven, i guess in the '20s and '30s he was somewhat popular in Europe ('33 he left Berlin). However, i asked the HMV archive about this record set, it's not registered and i guess it's probably a radio cut since each of the tracks i found on other records of this time by a search in the web. Informations might have get lost for this Album, the labels have a handwritten 14 7 25 on it which is probably the date of filing. The condition is astonishing good almost like never played apart from a small pressing failure on one side of the three record set. I wonder already what happens if i upload it once.

@@larrybremer4930 There is a worse example. Blurred Lines was considered a copyright violation for having a similar drum beat to a Marvin Gaye song. At lease Ed Sheeran successfully defended the claims against him.