"Who plays the red deck?" People who decide if I'm going to wait 20 minutes for my turn to come back around, I will not be playing many turns damn it.

Honestly I can totally understand a person seeing the Initiative for the first time and thinking the mechanic and format it belongs in is a gimmick LOL

This YGO player just gave us the most accurate pronunciation of Fblthp like it was nothing.

Farfa with the most unhinged takes

32:00 For context, Red decks don't just win in four turns, they also lose in four turns. If the game isn't over by the time they empty all the 1-3 mana spells out of their hand, they're cooked.

I feel like farfa totally misunderstood seasoned dungeoneer but got it right anyway. This card IS the bomb it's not just a cog in the engine. 80% of the text on the undercity is irrelevant, you play this card and get a land sure. Then next turn you go to the forge and turn dungeoneer into a 5/6 and attack for 5 that can't be blocked. Then next turn you go to the trap and deal them 5 damage and attack again with your unlockable 5/6. With chrome mox or lotus petal you can play it on turn 2 and it can singlehandedly kill your opponent in 3 attacks

Farfa: "i think i offended every Commander player" I mean that IS very easy to do, so no worries there Fafa XD

Farfa thinking players need many tokens, not me carrying Ouja board, tombola, dozen oranges and a cow to be able to use some of my decks mechanics.

"Your game is a gimmick" Listen, the most popular format of Magic, Commander, started as a fan format to play during downtime at major events. Calling MTG a gimmick isn't that far off.

I wouldnt mind seeing a draft focused version of this where non-mtg players have to guess if commons are "early picks" or "late picks"

The difference between toxic and infect is easy to explain. The difference between toxic and poisonous on the other hand...

I have seen a few of these "This other card game player guesses how good mtg cards are" but I find it truly remarkable how well Farfa could analyze some of these with practically zero mtg experience. Well done!

If dungeons are a gimmick, let me show you a sticker card (before it got ban in Legacy and Vintage).

Phyrexian oil, also known as glistening oil, is sort of like magic nanotech that makes machine bits grow all over you, kinda like the Borg from Star Trek. Phyrexians spread it around and use it to take over the native life from a plane. In that way they're sort of the polar opposite of U.S marines. Marines show up to take everyone's oil, and everybody wishes they wouldn't. Phyrexians show up to give everyone their oil, and everybody wishes they wouldn't.

MTG has many similar keyword variations across the ages. "Wither", "Infect", "Toxic". But also "Morph", "megamorph", "disguise", "cloak", "manifest". It might sound silly but it's more attempts to rebalance the mechanics. It's also important to mention that, in standard format (which should be the entry level format for most players), those don't usually coexist. Rotation limits the number of keywords you need to memorize from the get go, and the design team also doesn't hesitate to put reminder text, or simply the full keyword text if it's not part of the set's core keywords. Right now, we have toxic cards, but no "infect" card for instance. The only card I can think of that technically has "infect" (Etali Primal sickness) uses the full text instead of the keyword.

As a Yu-Gi-Oh! player, that white card DND deck seems like the Magic equivalent of Vaylantz/Flower Cardians. The cards have amazing effects, but force you to play a different type of game (DND/Table Top figure game/Hanafuda, respectively) so not everyone will be able to wrap their head around that gimmick.

"You would play this in a non-aggro version of red." "Huh?" Red is so infamous that even non-Magic players know about it.

How the tables have turned

The Poison Ivy deck always feels like such an inevitable conclusion

For what it is worth, you can in fact venture into the dungeon in Pioneer, and Modern, just not specifically initiative/undercity. In fact the only format you can’t do dungeon stuff is standard.

That FARTfa and his crazy ideas

That was seriously the best pronunciation I’ve ever heard for Fblthp and I will continue using it. 11:36

This is an S tier “yu-gi-oh dude rating mtg cards” more of him

38:15 That's the fun part. It's not two different keywords, its three. Future Sight has Poisonous on two future shifted cards where Poisonous is Toxic but as a triggered ability instead of a static one.

I loved that he saw the initiative deck and was like "i bet it's good and is stupid" and was 100% correct

Farfa continuously forgetting that any card inducing equip spells targeting your own maiden with eyes of blue exists in yugioh

I'm partway through Archfiend of the Dross, and I don't think Farfa knows what Flying does.

"Your game is a gimmick." "Mystic Mine." "Understandable, have a nice day."

The entire Calamity evaluation was "Yu-Gi-Oh player accidentally experiences joy and whimsy"

That was an impressive showing from Farfa! Please bring him back for an archetypes video or anything else for that matter. And keep it going with the great content!

I've never heard of him before, but Farfa is brilliant. Absolutely understands card-game mechanics. Even though there are moments of misunderstanding, his sheer intellect shines through in recognizing not just basic elements of good and bad, but how cards play into the strategies that work around them, without knowing much of anything about them. Fantastic, 10/10, you should have put a link to his channel in the description.

Phyrexians psha poor karn introducing the phrexian oil to his home of mirrodin cursing the plane into becoming new phyrexia at the cost of his life one of the saddest planeswalker stories in all of the mtg lore

Fblthp looks like Mike Wyzowski lmao

I'm impressed with how well he did with Fblthp, both in analysis and in pronunciation.

People make fun of yugioh cards for having too much text while magic needs 2 extra cards just to explain the key word initiative

When he said "Is this just a gimmick" I involuntarily looked over at my Roon dungeon exploration ETB deck and sighed lol. He's not wrong...

What's so funny to me is the way he just deadpan stares when he said "the first time I played is when I did a sponsored stream for mtg arena"

38:30 no no no, One is not just a "patched" version of another keyword. They are separate and have their own use cases. Infect does -1/-1 counters and the creature doesn't do damage to players but gives them poison counters equal to the damage they would have taken. Toxic on the other hand does *both* damage to the player and poison counters but the poison counters don't scale by damage dealt. The way they play out in games is subtle but important. Infect decks win through sheer poison counters. Toxic decks can win through either poison or damage.

24:10 Dies to Aether Snap; thief of Blood; Vampire Hexmage; and you win the game. Basically anything, what is meant to counter proliferate or planeswalkers by removing counters. There was a card also, what prevented putting counters on permanents and if you flickered it, it would come without etc.

Archfiend of the Dross is good when you give it to an opponent without the oil counters so they die on the next upkeep. I don't recall a competitive deck that ever used it straight up as an Abyssal Persecutor.

Awesome episode as always! Love to see you using more convoluted and crossover set mechanics! Hopefully in the future we can get the following words on some cards to show the upper limit of Magic's creativity!: (Morph, Foretell, Meld, Transform, Attractions, Stickers, Role Tokens, "Wish Cards"). Also, if you can, let Farfa know that Commander is more than sitting around chatting with friends, there's also the Policticking! It's what makes Commander so fun and unique! Tell him to check out some Shuffle Up and Play or some other Commander shows on KZfaq. Lol One last thing, awesome idea about having Magic players compete in Master Duel and Yugioh players compete in Arena! It's like the culmination of all these crossovers done this way-Do it!!! And if you do, please do this to maximize the players' enjoyment of each game, try to ascertain what decks/colors the Magic players like in Magic and try to find an equivalent in Yugioh. Same for the Yugioh players with their favorite archetypes and then finding similarity in Magic. Thanks again bro for another awesome installment, you rock!

great episode!! incredible guest and even better SERIES!!

Farfa: this format is a gimmick Edh players: we know

That tournament idea is amazing.

Protection from X gives you protection from DEBT D=Damage E=Enchantments B=Blocking T=Targeting

I would love to see tournaments of both games!

There was a deck in Pioneer used Archfield of the Doss and Metamorphic Alteration where you have Doss on the field and then you cast Metamorphic Alternation on an opponent's creature as a copy of Doss and since the creature you put Metamorphic Alternation on most likely have no oil counters on it, they will lose the game on their upkeep unless they remove their own creature or stop Metamorphic Alternation being put on their creature.

Bah gawd, it's GlasgowYGO!

Toxic was the fixed version of infect. Infect killed to quickly with pump spells whereas toxic is unaffected by them. Infect wasn't great in multiplayer since your couldn't really team up with someone to take out a third player if one of you were playing Infect since Infect only dealt poison counters and didn't deal normal damage.

One of my favourite cheesy rush decks in arena is just protect the rot priest proliferate spam. It feels gross to do to my opponent but it’s fun to play around with.

That green card seems absolutely horrifically broken. There are infinite loops you can do to continually target your own monster over and over and just drown your opponent with toxic counters. That shit would be banned so hard in Yu-Gi-Oh.

the initiative is also playable in pauper

Great Card Choices Jame! I love seeing current Arena legal cards rather than Vintage cards from a game played 20 years ago.

The reason infect and toxic are two different keywords is because infect was busted. Toxic is just the version of infect that should have been released instead of the infect we got.

great episode love fartfa, get some yugioh players to try out the magic duels will be lots of fun!

As a magic player, being forced to play in a YuGiOh tournament sounds... actually quite entertaining, to be honest! I'm curious how big the learning curve would be for someone who mains draw-go style control in almost every format in Magic.

Great synergy between you two. Get him again on the show!

When I first got into MTGA playing standard, I played against Rotpriest for the first time. I thought it was annoying, but wasn't that bad because I can just remove it and only get one poison counter. My opponent proceeded to give it protection and target it another 3 times, winning the game. I've had nightmares about it ever since.

Love farfa just being dumbfounded by saddle and what a legendary creature is

Another upload! Yay. TheOneJame thank you for your hard work and dedication, you made this channel yourself from nothing and now its one of my favorites!

Should've stated a format for grading the cards, because Calamity's a god in Commander.

fun fact, every grapeshot storm trigger triggers venerated rotpriest

Phyrexian oil is best described as a nanomachine transformation and mind control agent. As well as all the normal uses of oil, as well as several ritualistic uses employed by the phyrexian clergy.

I feel like Rotpriest is used in a FTK somehow.

I don't play magic at all, but you're doing a great job collabing with big yugioh players to grow your channel. Just wanted to give you some just props!

Fun fact venerated rot priest ability works if you buff your own creatures too and if you put it in simic you can watch in real time as your opponent balls up their fist to punch you when ivy the gleeful spellthief is in play

Just run Calamity in a Gruul/Jund ramp pile with Smuggler’s Surprise and watch the fireworks.

Loooove the tournament idea

I really enjoyed using Mirror of Life Trapping, so any card that gets me some extra ETB juice is a fun card for me. Couldn't get Mysterious Limousine to work, though.

“The Maniac” is a good descriptor for Farfa

I find the rationale behind oil counters kind of fascinating. ONE limited was designed to be fairly proliferate-focused, so to both reduce confusion and limit the power of proliferate, every single effect in the set that places counters on permanents (besides Planeswalkers, of course) does it in the form of oil counters as a sort of “universal counter.” And of course, being oil specifically is just a nice bit of Phyrexian flavor.

before the swiftspear ban, I used to get 3 turned regularly by pauper burn.

Ya sometimes in magic you gotta get creative with the tokens and counters, or mentally keep track of it all, which is doable sometimes. We like to have a couple decks of just regular playing cards to be our tokens and counters, although shoes, coaster, knives, drinks, and a cat have all been used... the cat walked off.

More Farfa please, funniest homunculus this side of YuGiOh!!!

Flying for YGO players: This monster can attack directly, unless an opponent controls a monster with flying.

There's 3 poison mechanics, you forgot about Poisonous! Sliver fans are in shambles

Showing a common with saddle and plot (and reminder text) may have been a good idea to help farfa grasp the mechanics easier.

These are always great. I really wanna see someone try and figure out Lantern of insight at some point. If only to have their mind blown by Convulsion of Nature having serious tournament history.

Would love to see Joshua Schmidt come on the show. And for the more casual crowd, feels like Cimo should be high on the list as well

A cross game tournament would be amazing. It's funny too since I started watching this channel at the very first crossover video, and now you may have the biggest Yu-Gi-Oh MTG crossover of all time. You could get that MTG guy who likes One Piece to play Plunder Patrol, get this dude to play some kind of black deck, and if you ever get Josh Schmidt on here then you can make him some kind of MTG Frog deck. If you ever need volunteers to help make this happen I'm sure myself and many other fans would make time since we all want to see this. Then..... the winners of both games play Pokemon ;)

Thanks for this. Still hoping for you to show someone _Wall of Shards,_ then follow with _Predator Kavu_ & _Tree of Perdition._

As a Commander player if u make me dungeon crawl u are getting these hands

Definitely want to see a non Magic/non YGO players tournament. Also commentary by the others on the gameplay will be gold

Archfiend of the Dross, Harmless Offering and Vampire Hexmage, is a fun thing.

If I had the privilege of doing one of these videos, I'd show a Yugioh player Coercion, or another similar card. In Yugioh contexts, a Thoughtsieze-style effect is absolutely insane, and Thoughtsieze itself is indeed a good card, but Coercion is far from Thoughtsieze's power level. It's a bait, but only half a bait. The effect is good, but the rate is bad.

Calamity + Smuggler's surprise gruul deck recently had a top 8 in the US regional qualifiers for worlds so if you ramp to it its worthwhile, but yeah not playable in red aggro

I can see why yugioh didn't want to use key words after seeing that white card. We needed 2 other cards just to understand its first effect.

In appearance, Archfiend of the Dross reminds me of Voidvelgr Chrysaor.

I look forward to seeing invert polarity on one of these shows.

Archfiend of the Dross is such a badass card that it alone has made me wanna genuinely get into Magic and play black

5:25 "You can move in magic?" lmaoo

You should have a yugioh player judge something like Invasion of Alara. Or like do a video of battles and/or Sagas So Invasion of Alara, Fable, Long List of the Ents, invasion of Segovia (in commander), invasion of ikoria, Kumano... something like that.

For as many times as I've seen Magic players say Yugioh is too wordy, I'm just here looking at this dungeon/initiative mechanic like "None of you can say this ever again" lol.

When i saw rot priest i had PTSD.

38:20 they came out over a decade apart, and that’s a dangerous argument to make, as one could very well make the same argument about the number of extra deck mechanics lol

My gosh your sending some one new to magic straight into dungeon. You monster

That has to be the best, most accurate pronunciation of Fblthp i have ever heard. Absolutely insane.

“It’s Toxic!” Look, Farfa’s Chat; it’s you!

It's so huge that Farfa is here

Farfa did really good getting 4 out of 5 correct. Subbing so I can see those draft formats you mentioned at the end of the video.