I do find it funny that Toriyama's favorite is Piccolo, but he gets shit on the most, and his least favorite is Vegeta, but he's by far the best written character in the series

when vegeta said "he must die by saiyan hands" he didn't knew that his son would kill frieza

You have a deep understanding of the franchise as a whole. As a 30 year old super fan, I appreciate your deep dives into the series.

But Vegeta, with the mustache is the greatest of all time

Basically one of the pioneers of the reverse power creep. Goku had to throw literally everything at Vegeta and it still wasn't enough needing help. That's when a bad guy is at their best when you know they will lose but it won't be as simple as a last second lucky hit Heck if Vegeta didn't let his ego get the better of him. Him and nappa would have beat everyone before Goku got there and then tag team him and boom series ends.

Vegeta in the buu saga was his best character development but overall vegeta had some of the best development out there

Yes Vegeta was late to Trunks' life. But by Saiyan standards, that's pretty good. Saiyans didn't raise their children at all back on Planet Vegeta.

None of the Saiyans cared about their race, they cared about the *pride* of the race. This is a plot point hammered in since the beginning of Z, it was alien for a Saiyan to develop the concept of a "Friend" Goku was the oddball out, that's why losing a best friend was such a devastating experience.

I'd like to add, I think Vegeta had a bit of respect for Gohan and Krillian by Namek, 1st for the amazing fight they gave him and 2nd that they were brave enough to go to Namek....plus I think he low key wanted them to witness him obtaining immortality.

Beautiful essay. I love Vegeta's development through DBZ

The Saiyan Ego is the main nerf that keeps Vegeta from being broken

There's no such thing as cheating in a life or death fight. Use what you know to win. The result is the most important thing.

I dont think Trunks' super saiyan was weaker than Vegeta or Gokus, he just doesnt have the same combat instincts or experience they do as a result hes not weaker just unrefined and as such would be more exploitable.

I wonder if Goku saw the potential in Gohan for SSJ2 and THEN realized the best way to not get over run with anger, inorder to ascend, was to completly control SSJ

This presentation is very well thought out.

If Vegeta had Goku’s mindset, he would progress so fast, Goku would get left in the dust so fast

Great video. One small correction: Goku and Gohan learned to maintain SSJ even while alseep. At least in the anime. Goku falls asleep while fishing with Krillian and Gohan and Krillian remarks how Goku remains SSJ even while sleeping. To test this, he chucks a rock at the sleeping Goku and Goku gets hit and is confused why Krillian woke him with a rock.

In the future timeline, I’m surprised Gohan and Trunks never trained with Master Roshi

The artwork that you used for this video really takes me back to days of middle school and high school where we carried around 3 ring binders full of DBZ and GT pictures.. I would go to my school's library room and go ham on the computers! Printing out pictures.. Until there was no more colored ink left 😂😂😂😂

Remember when super saiyan meant something? I miss those days...

I still want a mini-series of Vegeta, with 17 and 18 where they do random cool sh!T and be constant snark-factories to everyone around them.

Vegeta was always cold prior to Dragon Ball, just like any other Saiyan. Manga and sub states he just hated how the Saiyans were used and betrayed by Freeza.

Fantastic Video!🔥 Keep up the great work. I really enjoy your content!👍

Damn good video scholar not even 5 minutes in. People Always talk shit about Vegeta crying when Frieza killed him. You explained it exactly how I see it as it is. Vegeta after a literal lifetime of holding back any and all decent emotion. Even the fuckin genocide of his people. His spirit died totally I would've cried too that fight meant so much. The pride of an entire race along with all the countless other victims. Including the ones he created he routinely described Frieza as a monster.

Dude I love this... vegeta is the best kost relatable most inspiring character ever.. make more vegeta videos..

Vegeta has the greatest character arc in all of Z

Great video 👍

I would have loved to see Vegeta training during the time skip actually thinking about Gohan in SSJ2 form with that dark smile walking down CELL. Would have been amazing to see.

Great descript of Vegeta 👍🏿

Awesome video bro!!! Vegeta is the reason i watch dragon ball

How do you keep uploading banger after banger??? Awesome vid as always!

They did vegeta so dirty at the end of ressurection f.

This was a battle, not a sparing match. There is no such thing as cheating

vegeta knew that he would need to be strong just incase he was needed not to mention he knew gohan was getting to used to the peaceful times so he would have to pick up the slack no thought that goku was coming back he didnt know atall on this he wanted to truely test his power and to see what his strength was at him going to the tourny was purely to test his power and see what he could really do he was hoping gohan was gunna be in it and was hoping he hadnt gotten too soft plus he's a saiyan of royal blood good chance his royal blood compelled him to train so hard just to make sure he was the strongest altogether plus he wants to be strong to protect bulma and trunks the same reason gohan got back into training to protect videl and pan

The background music reminds me of the gba game DBZ: Legacy of Goku 2. I used to spend hours playing that game as a kid all the way to unlocking Hercule for the alternate ending.

One massive tidbit that showcases who Vegeta really was, is during his sacrifice against Majin Buu. He knew full well that we would be subjected to hell, eternal damnation, yet still pressed forward anyway. He willingly damned his own soul, in an effort to save what he cared about. That, right there, sealed his fate as a good guy.

My favorite Vegeta is GT mustache dad Vegeta. It just feels right that he'd end up like that.

Ive been saying for year that vegeta lost due to not being able to sense ki… thank u for saying this !!!

"Cheat-code Kaioken spammer" has earned this man the like and the sub. Keep up the good work 🤣👍 (P.S.) Ngl I teared up a little when he explained why Vegeta blew himself up against Buu. Great analysis!

I think Vegeta in the buu saga was little more relax but he might of had ptsd of trunks death maybe that's also a reason he went majin to rid of the guilt he had to trunk's death

Yeah, Z Vegeta is peak because they did him dirty in Super.

Thanks For Talking On, The Saiyan Prince Vegeta Like Always Saiyan Scholar He Started As Saiyan Space Pirate Conquered By, Frieza's Mentally &, Ambition To Beat Anyone To, Develop Changes By, Goku Bulma, &, Future Trunks Vegeta Being, Rival / Friend, Lover, &, Father Towards The People That Love Him The Most Vegeta Role Models Would Be, Bardock &, Tien Because They Are Courageous & Got Pride As Warriors

You know man is a Vegeta stan when he doesnt evenacknowledges the Semi-Perfect incident

Hmmm I thought the events of Geets taking his fam to the park was 6 months after the end of Buu saga?🤔

Bulma show vegeta a little more than just kindness 😉

I just came here to say Vegeta is Widows Peak

As much as gokus character in super being watered down. Vegeta on the other hand has the best character developement from prideful prince to a proud father and shows proud king qulities meeting his race from universe 6 . Vegeta's perfect ending is going to universe 6 and living as the king that he was destinated.

This title is like saying “Star Wars is peak Luke Skywalker”

Vegeta sparing Bulma and Krillin on Namek might actually come from place other than getting even for having been spared. Remember that at this point of the story, Frieza and his henchemen are scouting the planet to find high energy sources in order to spot Namekian villages to find the dragon balls. Knowing this, and knowing that Vegeta actually is a good strategist (as long as he's not in a fit of ego-related rage), he knew he had to keep it low to get under Frieza's radar. So I think that Vegeta spared Krillin and Bulma because it would have been a dangerous move in that situation just to get rid of foes that didn't represent any threat to him.

DBS takes place 6 months after the buu saga it was retconned from the battle of gods movie so that way super would fit the timeline correctly and finish before the end of Z

Kaio Ken is NOT a cheat code. It's uniting MIND AND BODY AS ONE TO BECOME STRONGER/FASTER , NATURAL. SSJ is NATURAL and not a cheat code. Cheating started with Vegeta going Majin💯

Saiyan Scholar, would you do fellow dragon ball fans the favor of offering your opinion on the strength of Dragon Ball Heroes’ SSJ4 Gogeta Limit Breaker and LSSJ4 Limit Breaker Broly?

"Dragon Ball Z Vegeta is PEAK" ... Widow's PEAK! sorry, had too.

I thought gt vegeta was peak ?

I think what many people have not interpreted correctly, or automatically assume, is they assume Oozaru is 10 times “ Base Form” I know I know, I hate the word too. I make an effort to say ‘Normal Form’ every time. This is not true. Oozaru is a saiyans power amplified 10 fold. It doesn’t matter if it’s a saiyan that can’t use Super Saiyan, or a saiyan that CAN. Vegetas statement specifically said that the Great Ape increases a saiyans power 10 fold. That is not…HE is not specifying that to “baaaase form” If we look at GT, this is the ONLY example we are ever given, ever, in anime, to derive any information from. And, Omega Shenron dodged his mouth blast. Whether that’s just gonna be chocked down to inconsistent or poor writing or not making sense, well to me that is SS2 Vegeta, times 10. Which is more than a SS3 Vegeta. And he dodged that mouth blast. Then Kakarot is acting like Vegeta is scary and a threat, and is grabbed and is being harmed by the ahha ‘fake squeezing’ while Vegeta is acting. Or so he claimed. Maybe he wasn’t acting, maybe it took him that long to regain control, but his prior experience with Bebi Vegeta and never mind in Saiyan Saga, makes it seem likely he was acting. Oozaru would be weaker than SS Vegeta otherwise. So it actually makes more sense that this was SS2 Vegeta times 10. Before going Golden, then before ascending to SS4. I don’t know if you’ve covered this in other videos, or if you’re about to say it further into the video, but… SS4 Vegeta: At long last, I've ascended.

I thought gt vegeta was peak

Let’s not forget that in the Saiyan Saga, Piccolo contributed to the Z fighters’ war against Nappa and Vegeta by destroying the moon earlier on, forcing Vegeta to resort to the artificial moon to weaken his base power level in return for a 10 times power multiplier

Why do people refer to Kaiken as cheat code ?

Dang brother i love vegeta but you did our boy goku dirty in the saiyan saga xD

Why doesn't vegeta get as strong as goku and gohan? Because vegeta trained to get stronger the goku and cell. While goku and gohan trained to surpass their limits. That's what made goku a genius at martial arts, he didn't let pride tell him when to stop.

I think majin Vegeta and Goku is representation of Vegeta fighting his old evil self goku is supposed to the current Vegeta and majin Vegeta is his old self and Vegeta mentioned how goku stole his honor i think that's old Vegeta talking about how he stole his pride and the old self version its like the old Vegeta is trying to restore himself and rid himself of emotions and he also views goku as himself

Crazy how Toriyama's least favorite character is the only one with an arc.

Trunk’s literally learned from his mentor Gohan in the future not from Vegeta

>peak Widow's peak. The peak of arch-rivals. Dude is UNDEFEATED against both (BOTH) MC's. He is truly not a rival, but a NEMESIS.

Rip Toriyama

Goku vs vegeta in the saiyan saga is top 10 anime fights ever

Yes, he is the Prince of all Widows Peaks

Pain is not what you know, pain is what you refuse to accept.

How was he able to survive in space

Gohan and goku are stronger in their saiyan, because they trained together better. Trunks and vegeta were still practically strangers.

A lot of your presumptions are drawn from the (godawful) first Funimation dub and filler. Vegeta's tears stem from him having lost the will to fight due to 1) him not being a super Saiyan and 2) the monumental difference in power between Freeza and himself. It's spelled out quite plainly in the manga. And that speech in the first dub is extremely inaccurate. He made no excuses about "why he was so evil" or whatever, and thank God for that. Had he actually been crying about Freeza making him that way he'd have no hope for redemption. Vegeta didn't attack Cell out of frustration, it was rage. Trunks was killed before his eyes. No more, no less. A justified rage, but rage nonetheless. It was even selfish in a sense as he declared that only he could kill Cell. His first truly selfless act was exploding vs Buu in an attempt to clean up his mess. Yes yes, Goku shares some blame for indulging Vegeta but the largest portion of said blame rests solely on Vegeta's shoulders. Z Vegeta peaked on Namek. He was awful until Dragonball Super.

Vegeta their was their for Trunks first 8 in da Buu saga Vegeta was training according to Bulma .the super EP 2 was for Vegeta if you weren't paying attention bcos Goku had EP1 N Buu saga Vegeta was married to Bulma n lived in da same house n Vegeta was different from the cell saga bcos they were a happy family they n also Japanese culture they don't hug like dat

I used to get so annoyed when people said goku beat vegeta I always said no the good guys beat vegeta goku was done yeah he may have lost because of goku but it wasn't goku alone 1on1 vegeta stomped goku. Also I think if vegeta and goku fought before 19 and 20 and no heart virus I think vegeta would be stronger I feel like vegetas base would have been have been a little stronger due to training under 400 ×earth's gravity for so long.

Vegeta is my favorite character tbh

i never looked at Vegeta like this. it is so obvious now. 😂

Hell, not even Vegeta training with Future Trunks, what if Piccolo took the time to train Future Trunks in the Room of Spirt and time instead of going in with with Vegeta? Vegeta would most likely end up more or less the same strength while Future Trunks with Piccolo's help might have mastered Super Saiyan and Piccolo would have been far stronger as well

The only peak Vegeta is is a widows. Her name in Bulmas

Mustache vegeta is the best vegeta he became a good man you should check it out.

Especially buu saga

Goku is breathing cause PLOT

While Vegeta may be annoying when he achieved Super Saiyan, but in Dragon Ball Z Vegeta is HIM.

If vegeta took everyone out instead of waiting he would have won

Vegeta only cares for the Saiyan race when they are strong. If they are weak, Vegeta doesn't give a shit about them. Vegeta didn't give a shit when Planet Vegeta was destroy and most of the Saiyan were killed. He only gave a shit because learn it was Frieza who did it because he hates Frieza. He didn't even give a shit about Raditz. He didn't give shit about Nappa and killed him. He didn't give a shit about Goku until he got his ass whooped on Earth. He didn't even give a shit about his little brother Tarble until he changed his way on Earth. Vegeta has only show interest in a Sayan when he/she is really strong beyond normal.

Pride is also i lie. When you are stating you are proud to be (blank) its usually because (blank) portrayed in a bad light. Its purely a defensive statement. Nobody sane states they are proud of (blank) unprovoked. The fact Vegeta states he is proud of his bloodline unprovoked all the time shows to me just how much the death of his people truly broke his view of himself.

I’ll come back later, 13:10.

Vegeta is our guy no matter what!

You mean Vegeta has a peak, a busted ass widows peak😂

mc widows peak

super manga vegeta is the goat

Don't forget his father raised Vegeta to be a weapon against Frieza & the king of all Saiyans. I believe he was afraid of what he might do to Trunks best case scenario because of the kind of monster he had to become in order to survive in the Frieza Force, so I really don't think it's fare to judge him be human standards. Paragus & king Vegeta are hilariously bad fathers by human standards but we really don't know that much about the universe 7 Saiyans culture besides the fact that they were planet killers who sold the remains for a profit because they are dead and gone in virtually every timeline we see even(I haven't seen,read, or played all of the dragon ball content just a lot of it) in videogames. The mere fact that he could change as much as he did in GT is proof of his love for his family. I've struggled with many problems that make me wholly unfit to live with others over my life and sure their nowhere near as extreme as Vegeta's problems but I'm pushing 30 now and I still have a very long way to go. So I'd say that changing yourself that dramatically in less than 40 years is a pretty goddamned impressive feat.

For me vegeta is the main character of dragon ball and he should defeat freiza

Not as peak his hairline, if you know what I mean.

Super Vegeta> Z Vegeta

Dam right

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Nah dude. GT was him at his best.

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Vegeta did cheat with oozaru using some technique to force the change rather than naturally with a moon with a 10x boost with no negatives while kaioken was a double edge sword.

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Best character. Worst writing