If only Mr Snyder had bothered himself with reading any of them. He just read The Dark Knight Returns and went, "Let's give Batman a sick metal suit, and him and Superman go Boom-Boom"

@@aksharaghav9657 He barely even read TDKR because he keeps saying that Batman shoots someone in the head, when it's drawn ambiguously at best, but looks much more like he shot the guy in the shoulder. Later on the new police commissioner lists Batman's latest crimes as assault, destruction of property etc....But she never mentions murder. Yet Snyder continues to use this scene in the book as his only argument for Batman killing people.

Batman has killed before in the comics.

And how many of them Are rehashes of earlier stories or all about references to earlier iconic stories?

@@aksharaghav9657oh shut tf up with these stupid statements! It’s so dumb! To state someone has only read this or that therefore they don’t understand is sooooo ridiculous 🤦‍♂️

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That is definitely one of the cliché jokes of all time

One of stupid cliche comments of all time

Says a absolutely irrelevant nobody like yourself.

A lot of people like his movies tho

He does.

Batman has 'killed' in prior versions to Zack's iteration, so what foolishness are you on. Your comment is a definition of a misguided, reductionist, shortsighted human. Congratulations 👎🏼

If you think it is a flaw then you aren't even fan of the character in the first place. Unlike Zack. Hell, most of you are "caring" so much for Batman's no-kill rule Only because The most of you are Red Hood II fans, ie character that contradicts Most of Batman comics and other media by very existence and origin. And of course you Only happen to care about Batman's no kill code in particular, not of Avengers or any other superheroes that also have it.

@@FirstnameLastname-my7bz It is 100% a flaw. He's naive and blinded by his own code, one that often doesn't always make sense.

@@alexlazzerly3677 that's only Very particular alternative version of him .

@@FirstnameLastname-my7bz Yes, it's the most interesting version of him and is what most fans like about him, and that's what Zack misunderstands. The whole point of my original comment. You don't have to tell me that Batman has killed before in the comics. I'm fully aware. That also completely contradicts his whole point about "breaking the rules."

Quite the opposite.

@@thewitcherking937 ur talking out ur arse. It’s so much easier to write and they killed them then writing how they managed to stop and didn’t kill. U Snydertards will say anything

Because these characters are more than their code.

@@thewitcherking937 the whole point of any character is adhering to their code even in impossible situations... that's what makes them interesting...

@@ANGELOFDARKification not always. It's what alps leads to the same tired stories over and over and ridiculous deus ex machinas.

@@ANGELOFDARKificationcode…. this code you speak of has only really been apparent since he made Batman movies… before that no one have a shite hence BB, TDK THDR, B89, BR and many other comics 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

@@user-dm2nx4yu5o Superman and Batman not killing hasn't been apparent until Snyder made movies? Ermmm what? It's literally a big point of Nolan's films 😂

It would have been better that he did honestly

@@sladejoseph6757 Honestly no and for the love of god, keep Snyder away from any IP. He's such a bad filmmaker and screenwriter, he already ruined his owned story, let alone DC in the future

@@4deleDaz33m no his a good screenwriter and filmmaker in general as much as you don't like it people like Nolan or someone like him can back it up and besides maybe try to understand his films before you understand the characters. What part of his film is not good? What the cgi or the writing in my opinion I think his writing between these characters are good and at least he respects the source material, like Johnathan Kent said people hate what they don't understand

@@sladejoseph6757 "People hate what they don't understand" Yeah that's the thing about Rebel Moon, I didn't care about a single character in this two movies, how am I supposed to understand what they're doing when Snyder barely fleshed them out? These two Rebel Moon movies are already bad enough for Snyder to run DC, which is why he shouldn't be running DC anymore. He sucked ass, he's a terrible writer, he couldn't write his own characters properly, let alone the entire DC property. Yes he worked with Nolan but how long did Nolan backed him up exactly kiddo?? Every single great filmmaker can stand on its own, Nolan doesn't need anyone to prove how great he is, whereas Snyder? He barely can write good stuff about Rebel Moon, now y'all want him to run DC? Jesus christ, hell no

@@4deleDaz33m Nolan also wrote man of steel before he decided Zack directed man of steel btw and also I want to read all of that and why rebel moon that's a different kind of thing on its own. I can tell the saltines by looking at this essay of you hating on the guy and am not wrong about people hate what they don't understand

Easily the worst the worst DC films I’ve ever seen

Fundamental moral makup of these characters is that they protect weak and innocent good people from evil powerful ones. Nothing more, nothing less either. Everything else was made After these fundamentals formed. No, he didn't butcher either since both Batman and Superman broke their own rules multiple times if it meant to do their fundamental deed. It is not Zack Snyder's fault you have 0 knowledge of what you writing about , let alone what you try to gatekeep. Superhero genre wasn't started just so it will be stiffled by convinient stories, it Started as an inconenience that nobody even believe in until it became too obvious of its commercial potential. Batman who cares about lives of innocents so much he is willing to break his own rules and Superman Being brick wall against dishonest evil people Is as accurate representation of these characters as anyone can do. If you don't like it you dislike these characters in the first place, at best you like only deliberately alternative versions of them (if they even actuall exist).

Thank you. A million times thank you. You get it

No he's not. He butchered nothing. And Thats not their fundemental moral Makeup. They're fundamental makeup is that they believe in doing and in protecting the innocent. Reducing them to the no kill rule is ridiculous.

@@thewitcherking937 it’s not reducing the characters to say that a fundamental part of their identity is indeed a fundamental part of their identity.

So it's okay for Superman to kill doomsday but not Zod?

@@BloodandSoil990oh my god just stop.

@@emoney6692 No that is a legit question. Seriously. Is it okay for Superman to kill Doomsday but not Zod?

​@@emoney6692 Answer the question?

the more he talks, the more you haters just spit out bullcrap. His trilogy was amazing.

who innocent did either of them kill?

@@FirstnameLastname-my7bz You notice I didn't use either Batman or Superman, right? I specifically said Superhero A/B as a hypothetical to illustrate that if you change the intrinsic nature of the something, it stops being that thing. But, as an aside, doesn't BvS have a scene with Bruce Wayne watching Superman's fight in Metropolis, laying waste to the city? And you don't think no one died in that? Isn't that kinda Batman's motivation along with the resentment he has for Supes b/c of the level of destruction he and other Kryptonians wrought on Metropolis?

@@Vulcanerd Superman didn't cause any of that destruction himself. Batman's motivation that in case Superman WILL/might turn evil inevitably (just like almost all people he knew for 20+ years of his Batman life) he *needs* to be put down Now. While anyone has even a chance of doing so. Because 1) other metahumans even if existed were El Diablo level ie stoppable by people 2) some metahumans that even in theory can put up the fight are hidden, just like how Superman was before whole Black Zero event started and before Lois Lane found him and leaked infortmation to the press (which is similar to how Action Comics #1 (and its retcon in McClure Snydicate and Superman #1 versions) starts also, with Clark trying best to keep "Superman" hidden from the public until Lois meets Superman (and get scared at the first and gets excited some time later) and tells George Taylor about him, which is literally how entire superhero grenre was born literally and symbolically. Which is also similar to Batman #1 part where he kills people turned into monsters. And if you don't know original Superman comics frequently dealt with public fear of Superman, cops and friendly military were shooting him on site. Inb4 "that was before these characters were formed" and other mental gymnastics : 1st of all Core aspects of these characters were already formed by Superman #1 and Batman #1. Additional stuff however was added nonstop since them, both by creators of the characters and by people that absolutely had nothing to do with creation , with Lots of these later writers "contradicting" what came before and even sometimes themeselves if they were under different editor (Superman 162 vs Superman 229 stories by Leo Dorfman as Really vivid example of that). 2nd of all "even" by these other writers also adapted societal rejection of Superman (like in Birthright) and Batman being utilitarian (I don't even need to list anything particular after Tower of Babel AND OMAC Brother MK1 stories came out). There is literally 0 in Zack's interpretations that contradict core aspects for either of these characters. Especially aspects that were kept in-line with original versions of these characters. And you absolutely Can't compare any superhero with any superhero, they are all mostly similar, but also different. Not to mention that most people don't even know them, at best they know reinterpretation by someone. Like how in Raimi movie uncle Ben says "with great power" line, which he never did in original comics and until years years later in vague retcon by Stan Lee where he also didn't say it directly anyways. Or how Iron Man in comics kept his secret identity SO tight that Reed Richards in Secret Wars 1 comics thought he is black guy because at that time he was replaced by his bodyguard future War Machine (and it was also reference to the Shooter's original plan of making Ferro-Lad a black kid until Weisinger declined) , while in MCU movies he immedietally gives it up in the very end of the first ever and only film. Or how no Avengers in MCU have no kill rule, despite that being in comics (and was "kinda" plot point in Superior Spider-Man in that very same 2012-2015 period of time). Nobody really cares about "intrinsic feature" , they either just prefer particular versions (or more like Their headcanon of them) or simply biased against particular guy for absolutely 0 good reason when not only in all superhero movies and films they kill (except for Wonder Woman 84 and maybe some Spider-Man ones) , especially by the "logic" that Batfleck/ Cavill's Superman do, but Only in Zack's films it is actually addressed as something bad instead of as absolutely nothing and worthy at best of a quip afterwards (which is also way to go considering original Superman and Batman comics, except most of these movies aren't even DC related).

Watch the Richard Donner Superman movies and you will probably see what a piece of shit Man of Steel is.

@@ed1rko17 I've already seen it and I still love Man of Steel.

This depresses the hell out of me. But hopefully it will be a gateway drug to real superman

@@MattAlbie Sorry you feel that way but to each their own.

@@BloodandSoil990 Cheers on the healthy POV

No it doesn't. It shows your narrow minded view of the characters.

Spending more time justifying why Zack wanted to do stuff like rape Bruce Wayne in prison(yes that's real look it up) doesn't make it good. Look at rebel moon. All the time and freedom he could ask for and somehow part 2 is worse than part 1

They explained and showed why he is the way he is in the movie.

He never wanted to do that. Stop Lying and taking his words out of context. It was a comparison to the watchmen world.

@@thewitcherking937 Go watch Scargiver fanboy

@@MattAlbie sure thing, troll.

Don't lie.

Yes. I never forget. Long time since I went to Michael Keaton as Batman (1987) movie. YES. Batman killed Joker. James Gunn is very idiots, dumb Jester, nerd. I agree with him. Yes, Ben Affleck, as Batman killed him and them (BVS movie 2016). Superman (1950s) killed them (man and woman) tv show. Henry Cavill as Superman killed General Zod (MOS 2013). James Gunn is very, very WRONG. You think Superman is Saint and angel ??????. Gal Gadot as Wonder Woman killed Nazi them. Remember Marvel Captain America movie. Captain America killed Nazi people. Black Panther 2: movie. Namor murdered innocent people work scientists. Same USA cops killed the wicked and U.S. Army war another Arab world. Ect.... That why James Gunn is not acknowledged. Superman is not Saint or angel. I agree with Superman can kill them (the wicked). Same both Wonder Woman and Batman can kill the wicked. I disagree with James Gunn and Superman is good Saint and angel. I read my Bible KJV. Yes, God will destroy the wicked world. God same Superman. You see David Corenswet as Superman is handsome gay. Herny Cavill as Superman is danger face. Too bad. Bye.

in BvS he didn't break any rules, all "kills" were in self defence manner or to protect innocent people, which your beloved Nolan's Batman (who isn't canon btw as Batman wasn't trained by League of Shadows, neither Thomas Wayne was trying to talk to the mugger which is why...Bruce becomes someone who punches criminals instead of someone who talks them into surrender) also did. In BvS he didn't murder anyone, only plannеd to do it. It is not Zack who is refusing to listen and learn.

@@FirstnameLastname-my7bz First of all none of these movies are “canon” so I don’t know what you’re referring to there. Second of all I wouldn’t call running over someone with the Batmobile, unloading clips from the machinegun on regular gangsters and than branding the survivors as “self defense” which is what happens in BVS. Also your detail of Bruce not learning from the League of Shadows being canon proves my point that you can make changes to the character and not be chained to canon but make it mean something/symbolize something instead of just being an empty action shot. Bruce learns from the League and even agrees on using fear as a tool but unlike them refuse’s to whole cloth blanket every person as unredeemable and a criminal(like the league does with Gotham wholesale including its civilians) and that he won’t kill it’s a line he won’t cross and though it’s a thought/action his enemies won’t share that makes it all the more important. It’s not just Batman but with Superman as well. You had him kill someone by snapping Zod’s neck and it’s never referenced or thought of again after it happens.

@@venenders170 They adhere to canon. Which you demonstrated very little knowledge of. He didn't unload anything into gangsters, he disabled their cars After they started shooting his vehicles (which aren't invincible, just durable to a certain extend). Running Into someone's car isn't murder unless you think And a okay that in Batman Begins Batman killed all these cops in the end save for two. Bat branding isn't killing (and is reference to 1943 series, which also debuted bat cave and Alfred, if you didn't know). It only proves point that you are either biased against Snyder or don't care about canon in the first place. Since nothing that Zack did in BvS wasn't in comics or cartoon or a movie (for your another discovery before 1989 movie, where Batman also "kills" btw, Batman never had automatic grappling gun all climbing and swining was by the manual rope) before he made BvS. And in the end Nolan's Batman still kills, like guy in the truck in The Dark Knight (if that wasn't kill then nobody died by Batman in BvS). Superman also killed in canon. In fact Superman killing unstoppable villain (starting with World's Finest Comics 6, also Action Comics 13 and 23) is The canon in the comics, literally happens all the time and Only in particular versions like Alan Moore's he stops being Superman after that. Neck snap is a direct reference to Action Comics 805 (and Superman (1987) 22 in context). Again, not Zack's fault you know so little. Or just biased and will accept any ACTUAL CHANGE as long as it wasn't done by particular man's film.

@@FirstnameLastname-my7bz Ah,I didn’t realize I was debating against a Snyder Bro. My fault in thinking it was a genuine debate but seeing as your just gonna misconstrue any info given to defend Snyder (like criminals throwing themselves infront of the Batmobile and not Batfleck intentionally running them over as not killing) there’s no point in wasting anymore time. I do hope you find something to like in the new DCU but if you don’t I won’t be surprised.

No you can't. That's your bullshit hyperbolic view.

No! Unfortunately there's this flaw with us humans (our psychosocial) succumbing to conformity, familiarity hence the subjectivity of the contentious "80 + years of great stories." So the credibility of the justification you put forward is somewhat flawed. Remember this quote forevermore: 'we humans are not primarily rational species, passions/instincts/emotions trump reason'

Except these rules weren't absolute at all for all these 80+ years. If you actually read comics.

@@FirstnameLastname-my7bz Exactly 👏

You already had that with Snyder.

Your insecurity with having female characters beat up guys is your issue not his.

His characters aren't shallow or generic. And it is a rule the characters are so much more than those roles which they have already broken many times before.

No he did. He just didn't share your dogmatic view of the material.

Nowhere did he say that. Watchmen broke the mold of the sueorhero genre and pointed out it's flaws

You are the sheep lol

@@itzante2148 no dont try to spin it.

No dog. Look at the reaction to rebel moon part 2. It has ALWAYS been you

​@@MattAlbieRebel Moon 1 and 2 were really, really bad though.

James Gunn is probably gonna make a better superman movie, because he has a better track record. Zack on the other hand, does not lol. You're in denial bro.

No he hasn't.

Yeah no everything else isn't a dumpster fire.

No Rule that says the character can't die in the second movie.byakk made ui roles thay don't exist about how shared universes should go. This was part of his story arc. And the other heroes were introduced in the justice league movie.

He doesn't contradict it. Guess what the characters killing is part of their mythos.

They don't.

Is that why he has an AFI award for Story for Wonder Woman?

@@christophermarabella5683 You can thank Allan Heinberg for how well that screenplay turned out!

​@@christophermarabella5683 I guarantee you the best parts of that story was not Snyder.

No he does. Yes jsut not doing things the way you wanted them.

You are still here, you clicked on this video and came here, nobody is forcing you to be here but yourself.

He came here to shit on him. I don't think you understand what "hype" actually is

@@MattAlbie I Do think You don't know what hype and die down is. As well as what quality time spend is.

@@FirstnameLastname-my7bz Quality time spent* you absolute goof.

No what was insufferable was and is the hate for the guy which has been going on for years

@@ed1rko17 The Flash was incredible? What were you watching? I was watching a CGI night that took me out of the experience. Also, I hate Marvel and wish DC would have done a better job. Zack screwed it up and not Gunn is going to make it worse.

@@ed1rko17 Dude, you’re too into it. You need to get a life.

@@ed1rko17 Haha Stephen King lol. He’s a boomer. Boomers think paint drying is amazing. I think you might want to take your bipolar meds kid.

What you wrote is complete bullshit.

No he doesn't.

What should Superman have done in that particular scene exactly? Let go of Zod and send a text to him à la „Pls stop killing people, thx. XO“?

And how is Superman a horrific murderer ??? Pls explain

Brian Singer gets too little credit for making a grounded, serious, excellent superhero film with X-Men and a great sequel with X2. Long before Batman Begins.

@@pb.j.1753 Okay? Good for him I guess? He probably gets little credit because his film faded into obscurity unlike TDK Trilogy which people still talk about.

@@pb.j.1753 Originally in the script Superman punched Zod into the Phantom Zone with the rest of the kryptonians. Snyder is the one who added the fight with Zod so he could have a reason to destroy cgi buildings and snap a guys neck. There are ways that are much less graphic to kill off a villain if needs must. Superman never needed to be in that position to begin with, but even after in BVS, Superman still murders people. He doesn't learn from killing Zod. Snyder made Superman and Batman two retards who both kill people and have little to no morals or ideals. Or character for that matter. They are effectively cardboard cutouts of the characters that wear the costumes and use the titles, but they are not the same characters.

Yeah no he didn't.

No he's not.

No yall are whiny.

Did you expect it to be good 😅

The terrible thing about Netflix is that people watch any shit on there cause they already paid for it.