haha thanks for that, that is very kind. Last time I tried to talk to them they wouldn't even respond ;)

@@ZillaCabs That's surprising. I e-mailed them and got an answer back pretty fast a couple years ago. Somebody probably just dropped the ball.

So, Classic or BL?

By Fluff Himself ! Nice !

Thanks mate! That means a lot.

dude, come on, this is get old

Thanks, glad you liked them.

Yeah I get you there. I actually like a low powered speaker that colours the sound but the 12L is such a great speaker I always love plugging it in... its just one of those pieces of kit that sounds so good you can use it for anything. Thanks for watching and for the feedback.

Glad you think so! Thanks for watching.

It's a really cool speaker, and relatively hard/expensive to get hold of these days. it's always worth having one about.

haha I see you are quite a fan of EV's, they are a great speaker, watch out for a video we have coming up in a few months, it's going to be a Lonestar loaded with a pair of EVs... and yeah you're right, they are damn heavy things.

I have a mid-80's Boogie and with the EVM12L it weighs well over 70 lbs. So what do I do. I add a road case. Now it weighs over 90. YA. But it's wood and wicker so gotta protect it. P.S.Ooh ya forgot to mention I also own a Twin and the Boogie is heavier. 2-12's and bigger but just a little lighter

What do y’all think about jbl d120 Grey or orange baskets I love them in the fender twin But damn it’s heavy Worried about blowing them too It’s a 135 watt head and run the power section pretty wide open Between 5 and 8 And set channel gain up to around 3 or so It’s crazy transients but paired with a mid forward smaller tweed style in stereo or wet/dry is amazing

Glad you like it. Thanks.

Thanks Earl. The BL was a lot smoother than I thought too.... almost greenback like in certain ways (except power and the way it stayed a lot more consistent). Thanks for watching.

Definitely, that was a mistake not doing some higher gain takes. This was one of our first videos. I can't wait for another one to come in.

​@@ZillaCabs Same here. Waited for the high gain. Have you made a high gain version of this video?

The bass response of the Classic isn't as neutral as the Black Label, it has a mild hump in the low mids, maybe the lack of linearity makes it sound better. The bass response of Black Label is almost linear and clean like a PA speaker. Then again the Black Label is a reissue of old EVM12L Pro-Line speakers. Back in the 80s when Electro-Voice designed the Pro-Line speakers they designed them to be more neutral and to have more headroom than the Series II speakers. The EVM12L Classic is the re-issue of EVM12L Series II speakers. Since the Black Label is the EVM12L Pro-Line re-issue it sounds more linear and neutral than the EVM12L Classic.

The answer is to get both

Hi Felipe, the EVM12L is a cleaner more precise sound, the Alnico cream brings in more warmth and colour in to the sound. What kind of stuff are you playing? They are both great speakers.

@@ZillaCabs Thank you very much for the reply! I'm playing a mix of John Mayer/SRV style blues and Richie Kotzen/The Winery Dogs rock. I know that Kotzen uses Vintage 30 speakers, but i just find them too harsh, that's why i thought of the alnico cream maybe as a good alternative too.

thanks

I thought it was tremolo, but I'd like to know more about the entire signal chain too, as that tone at the end is fantastic.

Thanks Robert. When searching through a few videos I noticed that combination cropped up a few times. I think it would be really interesting as I personally found a few greenback like qualities in the BL speaker.

Does the EV over power the v30? I guess the both have a 100db sensitivity.

@@ScottFuckinRitchie Hi! No problem at all. They mix very well. In a while Im gonna pair it (just for fun) with a Creamback 75, a G12T-75 and a greenback. Right now they are fixed in a Laboga mr Hector open back cabinet. Sounds full. But it can get loud and massive when cranked. See it like The Rock in a suit! ;-)

Thanks glad you like it.

I love, and although we don't stoc them ourselves I have three of the 12L's.... I think in this cab I did lean towards the BL speaker. They are both great speakers... thanks for dropping by and checking out the video.

Zilla Cabs, thank you for shooting such content with quality in mind. Not so much of this thiele concept legacy here on KZfaq I’ve stumbled into lately. Looking forward for more of these vids. Higher gain evm mentioned here earlier would be much of interest;)

@@kuzWich yeah that is a must, I am working on that right away....

@@ZillaCabs loved sounds off both!

Hi Attila, thanks for the kind words there. This cab was really just designed for the EVM12L but we make the open source Celestion design cab for the X200, the size is similar, or at least the overall volume is somewhere similar(ish) and that cab was designed specifically for the X200. If you search through our videos we have done a couple of X200 videos, one of which features that cabinet. They are £320 unloaded.

You'll always be able to buy stuff cheap. Materials alone cost us way over £60 on these cabs. I imagine they are made in China, they have over 2 million slaves working for them and most of the population working in horrendous conditions, we pay good rates of pay and pensions for our staff.

Thanks for watching, I'm glad you enjoyed the video.

I really like them in an open back. We'll have to do a video on it.

I have a Mesa Boogie Thiele 1x12 and a Mesa open back 1x12. Both loaded with EVM12Ls. I like the open back for clean sounds as it let's the sound breath a bit more. Also, anything Fender related, the open back compliments it well. Mine is noticeably louder and brighter than my closed back. Speaking of which, the closed back is very punchy and a bit boxy, but the more you crank it, the less the latter seems to be an issue. In the Thiele, there is definitely a high end roll off, but it compliments bright amps well. You can't go wrong either way, just have to take note of which setup is most appropriate for your rig. Once you go EV, it is hard (at least for me) to go to any other speaker. Hope this helps, take care.

I have both setups, and IMHO, open back doesn´t work with distorted/ high gain sounds. Too harsh, but with cleans not so bad... I definitely would go for the thiele cab.

Thanks

300 each man

Yeah I thought it had a real warmth to it, sort of greenback like (funny for a 300W speaker)... they are super heavy and expensive though. Thanks for watching.

pick up a quad Better put on your weightlifting belt!

That sounds really interesting. As it goes we found some really pleasing greenback like qualities in the black label speaker, and although the TL806 wasn't designed for that particular speaker, it was sounding really cool.

Thanks Mark. We have been doing those cabs for £325. They aren't big cabs but technically quite hard to make (loads of bits to them).

@@ZillaCabs I’d love to try one either-12L

It sounds like a Laney VC15 to me with the internal speaker bypassed. I didn't realise we hadn't stated that in the description. I will double check for you.

They have a ceramic/ferrite magnet, so like most speakers. I just looked on their spec sheet to double check for you and they don't seem to mention it but I have alwasy known them to be a ceramic magnet.... the magnets are massive too, absolutely huge.

@@ZillaCabs Ceramic is correct and heavy as hell.

It is harder to appreciate on youtube but yeah that it. The BLS actually had a hint of greenback in there which really surprised me, but that said the cab was design for the 12L rather than BLS. I just saw your stuff the other, it looks really cool, I wish I had known about you when I was in Raleigh a few years back.

@@ZillaCabs EVM12L vs. Organic Timbre shootout?

@@organictimbre8232 let's get it sorted. I would love that.

@@ZillaCabs I sent an email to the email listed on your website.

Thanks William

Really having a tuff time deciding between the Evm12L and the celestin 12-65 I will be running a 2x12 cab with a D style amp.

No, it's because the Black Label is a re-issue of the 300-watt Pro-Line EVM12L. Unlike EVM12L Classic which is a re-issue of EVM12L Series II the Pro-Line was never meant for musical instruments. It was meant for usage in PA systems. Zakk used it because that's what he had. It doesn't have a scooped mid-range, its mid-range is neutral like a PA speaker. The EVM12L Classic on the other hand has its mid-range voiced for usage with musical instruments.

Yeah I think that's where I was with it too. I was really surprised in the Black Label.

HI Mike, in all honesty it's quite a rare speaker, really expensive and not one that comes up much. I don't think I had any EV speakers around for the GGD session. Maybe one needs to be done.

@@ZillaCabs please?

I put it down to clean head room, so you probably wont use the power but the speaker should work in a more uniform way through your volume changes. They do sound great in a Mark iv... but you know what, so does a neo creamback ;) ... when it comes to it though, if you want that EV sound, nothing else will do it.

@@ZillaCabs Do you make Thiele cabs with figured Bubinga if you can source the wood?

I know what you mean, I loved them both but you just can't beat the classic.

Ain't no lie there, time to try and sell my ZW- i figured a 12L was a 12L;wrong.

We're going to do a version of this video with bigger riffs..... we love a bit of metal, in fact heavier stuff is our go to as players, maybe we are a bit too concious of that in this video and missed it out.Thanks for watching.

In the room I found the BL was a lot warmer than I expected. Thanks for watching.

It a bass reflex cab but that refers to boost in the low frequency like most ported 1x12 cabs. The 12L is a guitar speaker, it was used for bass in the past but that was mostly because there weren't that many decent bass speakers on the market, and the TL806 was specifically designed for the 12L. I hope this helps.

If you look at the plans for the TL806, the F3 is 83 Hz in the normal mode. If you build it with the partial port cover (known as the step down mode) the F3 is down to 53 Hz but you have to boost low end by 6 dB. In the normal mode they sound pretty good for bass, but the low end is lacking. The EV mids are yummy though!

They aren't for everyone, I'm normally more more into speakers that colour the sound a bit more. Maybe you would prefer them in an open back cab. That EV designed cab is pretty small. They do cost a lot of money, that is for sure. They are a big speaker but yeah they are on the high side. Thanks for listening.

@@ZillaCabs can you give some examples? I’d love to find a good between of the two. I wish the bl would break up a little more but I guess it would at higher volume?