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JtR was a lust murderer with a perverse interest. If you look at the medical reports for the relevant areas, this is the clincher for me (warning detail from the medical reports some (me included) may find disturbing): Ellen Bury: ‘On the inner side of the right labium was a wound 2 inches in length, penetrating the skin. Beginning about an inch behind the anus was an incised wound running forwards and to the left, into the perinaeum, and dividing the sphincter muscle'; Running downwards from the centre of the pubis to the outer side of the left labium was an incised wound 2 ½ inches in length, penetrating the skin and fat. Eddowes: ‘The incision went down the right side of the vagina and rectum for half an inch behind the rectum' Note the same locations, inch/half inch behind the anus, cutting the privates open. Not a coincidence IMO. Ellen Bury was killed 5 months after Eddowes. Whatever Bury didn't do, he did this, which shows his and the ripper's sick interests. Now look at injuries in the same area on McKenzie: 'Seven or eight scratches beginning at the navel and pointing toward the genitalia. Small cut across the mons veneris.' There is really no comparison. It was Bury, who was also a strangler and fits many aspects of the descriptions given at the time. If it's a choice between McKenzie's killer, who we know nothing about - he might not have even been in Whitechapel in 1888 - and Bury, a dangerous man who was and was found to be missing from his home on all of the murder nights that the police could verify - there is no contest IMO.

A Great Presentation as usual 👋,Annie🙏

Have you finished with the Jack The Ripper suspect videos? There's quite a lot more you haven't covered yet.

Tabrum was stabbed 30 times she was definitely a ripper victim only a psychopath would overkill someone

This is the murder about which I'm most uncertain if it was a Ripper murder. I think that the C5 + Tabram either definitely or probably were Ripper murders. I think that the other Whitechapel murders were not. It's fitting that we not be too sure about this one, since there was disagreement among he doctors that saw about whether it was. However, it's an important question in judging the strength of suspects, because there are some suspects that could not have been the Ripper if McKenzie was a Ripper murder (because at that time, they were either dead or locked up).

Owen, you’re doing a good job. You’ll get more views once the algorithm recognizes how popular you could be. In the past, I’d recommended that you do some thing on the Shakespeare conspiracy. You didn’t say anything about it so I think you’re more interested in serial killers. My recommendation is Arthur Shawcross, Rochester, New York. Also known for the ABC serial killer. Lots of information are pretty good book. Good luck with your endeavor.

A good connection tween the 2 Jack's👌

I don't believe there was a JTR single killer, that JTR was a newspaper myth, and the police spent too much time chasing red hearings under bad assumptions that they blatantly missed a persons of interest at each crime scene. I love getting the deeper dive into each potential crime and the back story of life in the east end slums. All this to say that I find it really hard to tie all these victims into a JTR package... to me, there were a lot of murderers there at the time copying one another and doing their own variations in an effort to make what they did as newsworthy as the alleged JTR killings. If anything, showing all these shows that there were a lot of differences and similarities, and that makes claims of five and only five of a single killer almost crazy talk.

A pretty fairy,👋

DR Bond's statement😆

I'll have a small Mulled wine please Owen👏

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My praise goes to Alice,as well as You Owen👋

Great video As you there is not much known about the Thames Torso Murders as identification was all but impossible. There are 2 books coming out later this year so maybe more info to come. Just on a side note this body ( I try to use the names and first name's as much as possible as they were people but we have no identification ) was found as you say in a railway arch. This railway arch has an interesting location as the viaduct when built had demolished the homes of local families some of which move to the streets close by . One such family was the family of Policeman Thomas Cross . Yes the Thomas Cross who was Charles Lechmere's stepfather.. So Quick recape His mother still lived round the corner and would visit his daughter there They used to live in the removed houses when the viaduct was built. I'll get shot for this but JTR . Thames Torso Murders Just keeps coming up 😮 LECHMERE 😮 And Lechmere's Mother had a cat meat business. 🤔 Great series whats next May be body snatch like we spoke of earlier👍👍

Gr8 Research, Owen....Yep, a Thames Torso Murder with Pinchin Street & Backchurch Lane not far from The Thames. Cudn't be traced and an unsolved murder, but not a Jack The Ripper crime.....Sir Melville probably knew that Bushie was locked away in September 1889, but didn't link this murder to The Alice McKenzie Murder either and successfully deflected the Annie Chapman Anniversary Date...Must have thought that it was another killer, but it seems they stopped seriously investigating any murders after Mary Kelly....They had their man, eh Owen...I'd say Body Snatchers did this one, but getting sloppy with their disposal of the torso, eh Owen...This is likely the last of the 4 Torso Murders and they moved-on after this for whatever reason....Look forward to the last victim, Owen...Cheers fm Damo😀

This body part is found in a burlap sack under an archway. About 20 yards from where once stood the home Charles Lechmere lived with his stepfather. What a coincidence! It was covered in maggots so it had probably been stashed for a few days. As luck would have it, Charles worked in Maria’s(his mom’s) cat’s meat business on Cable st. Just a few minutes walk away from the archway. A cats meat business consists of slaughtering large chunks of horse flesh. And it may or may not be interesting to know that the night the torso was probably dumped, Joseph Vorsdike (Maria’s then husband) went to the hospital where he would eventually die. So, Charles had the shop to himself that night.

couvered by EdStoe along with the other Thems Torso murders they remain a mistery my feeling they were done by jtr ttfn&ty

Owen I think Jack The Ripper committed this crime as well as the Thames torsos murder. It seems unlikely that there would be two homicidal maniacs cutting women up in the same small area.

Great video Owen. The fact that they had an argument and he left the lodging house at the time of the murder would make him a suspect. However if it were a copy cat then the medics saying case possible JTR would mean you'd need to look at him for JTR . Who was she rushing to meet? Again with JTR a very small window of opportunity to complete the crime. Being poor etc but showing true kind character helping blind . Shame that blind person may have help in identifying people during the evening that they'd met. Again we have medics conflicting view of same evidence and police saying No no nothing to see here to cover up or subdue public panic . But the increased the police patrols. I recently visited the graves of Annie Millwood, Emma Smith, Martha Tabram. and The conical 5. Which like your videos put into perspective that these were real people

This is so frustrating because one of the best witnesses was blind and the land lord and boyfriend have different stories. The doctors all disagree. Who was she meeting? Her killer? Thanks for telling her story Owen.

Awesome Research, Owen. Same type of wounds on Alice as the 1st 2 JTR Murders of Polly Nichols & Annie Chapman including double throat slash...Bushie possibly locked-up in Coney Hatch at this time, but RDS re-admitted himself to Whitechapel Hospital only a week before this murder and Castle Way is very close to where RDS lived in Castle Lane....Did he admit himself 4 an alibi and then committed the murder when near his home?...Maybe John McCormack killed her 4 not paying the rent, but unlikely and sounds like the first JTR Murderer was at it again, eh Owen....About 9 Months since the Mary Kelly Murder, but doesn't sound like a copycat murder and no facial slashing..Also, the rain probably wud have made cutting-up Alice's Body to remove organs a bit problematic and the culprit left...May have had soft soled shoes on and a witness said that night, someone went past them very suspiciously hiding their face under their hat, but had soft soled shoes on and mumbled something incoherently...Probably RDS on the way back to The Hospital, eh Owen...Look forward to the next victim, Owen....Cheers fm Damo😀

Who really knows when the ripper killed his last victim he was never caught.

I can't help feeling this one may have had something to do with her being heavily pregnant. Given the spread of body parts it's clear it was not intended she would be identified. On the torsos more generally, even today dismemberment and dumping torsos is far more common that what the ripper was doing. Usually it's done because a victim has been killed in one place and cut up for transport and disposal. Last month there was a case like this Bristol and I can think of quite a few over the last 10 years - even ones dumped in the Thames! Not saying the ripper couldn't have done it, but I'm not convinced the torsos were all the ripper or even by the same person. As I may have said before, the one torso that is very curious is John Gill. Unlike the Thames Torsos, the innards had been taken out and placed with the body, the heart under the chin and nose and ears cut off. His boots had been shoved back inside his empty torso. It sounds more like a ripper attempt to shock. The location and victim choice are curious, but a couple of days before the boy was found there was break in nearby with a ripper postcard left at the scene. There were also some letters sent in London before the murder talking about killing boys 'worse than the women' and taking their hearts. All very, very disturbing.

Thanks for the video Owen! Someone made a point that JTR left his victims on display while the Torso Killer seemed to be hiding victims. That could be a reason why they are though to be two different people. What that said LISK cut up at least one victim and didn’t cut up the others. So you never know.

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Terrific Research, Owen...4 Murders by the Thames Torso Killer between 1887 & 1889....Elizabeth Jackson I read was 8 Months Pregnant, but cut-up methodically & as U said, the body parts were found many miles apart floating in the Thames...I think it has to be a different killer to the JTR Canonical 5 murders...More than 1 gang in Whitechapel, so why not more than one serial killer.....Read that some of the Thames Torso Victims were badly beaten before death, being discovered forensically by the medical examiners at the time....Completely different MO to JTR, which is most-likely 3 killers and not 1 that did those 5 murders....Some other JTR Suspects cud have been responsible for the Thames Torso Murders, such as Francis Thompson, who was involved with cutting-up cadavers at that time....Body Snatchers were around as well, stealing body parts, internal and external...Cud easily have been a Group of Body Snatchers, that moved-on when it got too hot for them...The Thames Torso Murders were written about in The Lancet and U have to wonder if Bushie read this stuff and was inspired to do something...He was Nuts, so it is possible, but more likely he did the Catherine Eddowes & Mary Kelly Murders, before being locked-up, probably in Coney Hatch soon after by His Uncle, Super Charles Cutbush....Had to be someone not working that did the Thames Torso Murders, as how wud they find the time and a place to cut-up the bodies and then dispose of the parts or sell them, which points to Body Snatchers, eh Owen?...Francis Thompson a Major Suspect, not working and living rough, but did he have access to a warehouse to cut-up the cadavers and sleep there too?...Don't think he wud beat the women very badly too, but when U are Nuts, who knows, eh Owen?...My best guess is body snatchers did the Thames Torso Murders, disposing of the bodies so they cudn't be traced to them....JTR (3 killers), never tried to dispose of the bodies and is a completely different MO, Owen. Look forward to the next victim's story, Owen. Cheers fm Damo.😀

Great video . I think the chances of 2 people attacking/mutilating/dismembering with similar cutting to some victims very unlikely and with body part being found washed up along the Thames , Regent cannal battersea park new scotland yard building whist under construction and Pinchin street Whitechapel that may be our friend Jack had found a place to perform more atrocious crimes . There was of course an industry in dead bodies for medical/surgical experintation and who's to say that some may have be not er dead .and you'd have to dispose of these bodies also . Excellent point about the babies or many be non babies. If you can take anything positive from all of this it would be the various reforms ie street lighting & conditions Dr Banardo's etc that happened soon after . Think the problem with JTR , the twists and turns with just not enough info .and the strongly conflicting opinion of the police, medics , coroner. Think your doing a great job of keeping it simple to follow 👍.

During the hay day of the American serial killers, 1970s-90s, FBI Suggested there were 50-100 active serial killers at any time in the U.S. Across a vast country of 300+ million people. That’s a drop in the ocean. Serial killers are rare. Dismemberment serial killers are extremely rare. In the 1900 UK census there were only 40 million people. So the chances that there are two of these extremely rare people, operating in the same place at the same time is highly unlikely. Consider that the victims of the 2 different crime sprees. They’re the same gender, age range, race & social class. Consider the damage done to the victims. Despite the obvious dismemberment, there are striking similarities! In Elizabeth’s case, the killer attempted to decapitate her via knife and failed. He cut her stomach open with a long vertical cut. He took her uterus, the growing fetus, her placenta, and spleen. Annie Chapman, killed about nine months prior with similar injuries. The killer tried to decapitate her via knife and failed. He cut her stomach open the same way he removed her uterus. And these similarities are just among 2 of the victims. There’s plenty more. Not to mention, the Pinchin St torso, and its direct connection to the carman who was seen standing alone with the body of Polly Nichols. The murders were not related because the “MO was different” or “serial killers don’t change their MO”. That’s an outdated myth. Yes they do change. For all sorts of reasons. There are plenty of examples of it now. “They never stop until they’re cut or locked up”. Wrong again. Yes they do take breaks and sometimes retire if not caught or killed. And I would argue that the MO isn’t that different anyway. The killer in both cases wants shock and recognition. He enjoys the fear he instills, thus, the power he gets from his activities. It’s the same psychology. Just slightly different means to get there. The murders are connected to the same man. Good job mentioning these little known victims Owen. Poor Elizabeth was identified via a birthmark by her mom. It’s very sad.

Mcnaughton was bad for the ripper investigation. The chances of two maniacs in the area committing these murders isnt good.

These are very informative, explaining details I was unaware of.

One body had a tube of paint nearby. The throat focus, the wax figures, the insane poetry.... yeah idn.

Yeah good analysis. You’ve got the main point about this case - Anderson is useless. Note that ‘Dr’ Anderson was not a medical man, he was a barrister by training, and I think his ‘Dr’ was academic. In total 5 actual doctors saw the body - 4 said murder. As you said, only Bond came up with this bizarre idea about a stiff starch collar, and he saw the body 5 days after the event. Bond seems like a good doctor in other ways. He also did a summary of the whole case a put together a short profile of the killer that in many ways is very similar to the later FBI profile. Makes me wonder if Anderson was pressuring him on the ‘not murder’ angle. Another question. Why had the ripper possibly moved his work to Poplar? My feeling is that it was the ripper that attempted to kill Farmer and he had been seen up close, in daylight by several people. That meant his main hunting ground was off limits due to fear of being recognised. We’re not talking about dusky half glances by Lawende or Schwartz, but full a full on view. As to the culprit, as I said in a previous comment, my money is on Bury. By early December, shortly after the Farmer incident, he sold his horse and cart so would have been on foot and Clarke’s Yard was only 1 mile from where he lived. In Dundee he went into a shop and bought a cord that he used to strangle his wife. The cord mark went all the way around her neck and was level apart from about two inches on the left side where it rose up slightly. On Rose Mylett the cord mark was level and only broken for about two inches - on the left side. The Mylett case is the only one where a name was called out for one of two men seen running from the high street around the time of the murder - ‘Bill’ - what Bury’s wife called him.

awesome video really enjoy all your videos always look forward to the next

I’ve never heard of this case! Thanks for the video. My theory is they had a suspect for Jack and after the person died or was put in an asylum, they refused to link more murders to the ripper.

Really enjoying this series. JTR cases are fascinating puzzles for us today, as they are so old and all the suspects and victims are long gone. But of course they were real people, the police were very constrained by lack of technology AND the need to quell the hysteria and bloodthirsty revenge on the minds of people back then - lynch mobs were about and anti-semitism in particular were serious concerns.

Shes a ripper victim as are all the Thames and Pinchin St. torsos. Martha Tabrum was the start of the 1888 killings.

I haven't heard of Rose, but if the CSI shows are to be believed, they always seem to mention petechial hemorrhage as definitive for strangulation. Did autopsies back then use that term?

Gr8 Research, Owen...Confusing one with the Medical Examiner's opinions differing and a possibility of accidental strangulation for poor Rose....She was found around Clark's Yard off Poplar High Street, approximately 3 Miles East of where Mary Kelly was murdered in Miller's Court...Rose was seen at a Pub with 2 Sailor's, as The Docklands are not far from where she was found dead, a couple of hours later...Varying reports over those hours where people said she was sober, but later rolling drunk....Cud have been an accidental strangulation, as no aggressive marks or wounds from knives were found on her body...No way this was a JTR Crime, but if she was murdered, she had nothing that indicated The Ripper was involved...It was cold in late December and perhaps she was drunk or maybe a two pot screamer that didn't take much to be drunk or pass out, eh Owen....Maybe she passed-out and the stiff velvet collar on her dress cut-off her breathing and she died....It happens and sometimes people choke on their own vomit, not waking-up ala Bon Scott, but not in this case....She just didn't wake-up when in an awkward position lying in Clark's Yard...Maybe if Police Sergeant Golding saw her a bit earlier, he may have been able to save her, eh Owen...Look forward to the next victim, Owen...Cheers fm Damo.😀

Biscuits? Wtf did I miss here?

Excellent points Owen. I agree this woman was murdered. By whom, not sure. It seems after the murder of Mary Kelly and the resignation of Swanson, the police wanted these murderers to stop. One way or the other. Which feeds into the myth that the Ripper stopped. With the murders still to come, I don’t buy the police narrative.

👍 like to see you have a grasp of this one . What a mess you'd think the police had run out of paint and corners to paint into by now and actually start looking again but took the next victim for that. Police 🤔 how many Dr's does it take to get the wrong conclusion. Or the answer "THEY " wanted 😮🤫 Dr strangled by string Dr no no sign of strangulation. Dr no actually she fell down drunk and some how strangled herself on her own collar. DR actually could have been JTR victim . 🙂👍 Just like those multiple choices questions where you get 4 chances . Where or not Rose was a victim of JTR or not what a complete farcical in justice. I as said I believe that the police's position was no more JTR at any cost . I think imho that she was a victim of JTR , he was disturbed as with Elizabeth Stride and I would argue Polly Nichols . The fact that the police had washed there hands of JTR to save face and after all , all there suspects had been instutionalised or fled the country or committed suicide how convenient so's not have to enter into any further investigation of JTR murders or attacks. I would argue Jack hiding in plain sight and continuing his murderous way's. The reason I say disturbed and included Polly is because I believe imho that Charles Cross/Lechmere was disturbed by Robert Paul in Bucks Row . Not only is he at the scene then but he is also still around to commit the later crimes .

When compared to the farcical investigation into the Yorkshire ripper murders I doubt the police in 1888 were more credible or organised and less influenced by preconceptions

Terrific Research, Owen....Sounds a bit strange the whole affair and U have to wonder if Annie was a Policeman dressed as a female unfortunate, in order to nab JTR....The Police didn't go after the fleeing man, dressed as JTR had been described before, as having a shabby genteel appearance...Definitely strange that a man running past them who looks distressed, wudn't alarm them that something was happening, eh Owen...The 2nd man who was apprehended, but cleared, also sounds a bit strange and U wonder if Vigilante Groups were involved in some of these things trying to catch JTR by deceiving him...Didn't appear to work in either case, Police or Vigilante Groups, but JTR most-likely already in an asylum around this time, after the brutal Mary Kelly Murder...Look forward to the next victim in the series, Owen.....Cheers fm Damo.😄

Ripper fever.

A Good Presentation as usual 👋

Good point Owen that Ripper fever is in full swing at this time.

Imho i don't believe this to be JTR think as you say more likely a man being robbed . Strange the neck wound but not a slash/cut again not a cry of help etc but murder (which it wasn't). Think as you say he took flight as there had been many completely innocent people had been attacked by mobs as thought to be JTR. Think the police as I've said before had lost control and after Mary's mutilation were trying to play down these two event's. As for the press well how boring not mutilated no deaths wouldn't sell paper's so just reported things with a little dig at the police of course. As to the next victim, I believe Rose was a JTR victim. Another great video Owen 👍👍

That's a picture of Florence Nightingale. She wasn't Jack the Ripper.

What can I say, had one of the best hours of my life in an hourly hotel on New Year's Day. Didn't get paid but I had lots of pleasure.❤