Certainly was. ( Unless you meant the video itself.... but that's probably a fair description as well. 😁)
@drbigmdftnu5 сағат бұрын
@@OwenNeidhart the video was good. The crimes and the callouses toward life were just...horrendous
@drbigmdftnu5 сағат бұрын
*callousness Stupid autocorrect
@William-bn9okКүн бұрын
JtR was a lust murderer with a perverse interest. If you look at the medical reports for the relevant areas, this is the clincher for me (warning detail from the medical reports some (me included) may find disturbing): Ellen Bury: ‘On the inner side of the right labium was a wound 2 inches in length, penetrating the skin. Beginning about an inch behind the anus was an incised wound running forwards and to the left, into the perinaeum, and dividing the sphincter muscle'; Running downwards from the centre of the pubis to the outer side of the left labium was an incised wound 2 ½ inches in length, penetrating the skin and fat. Eddowes: ‘The incision went down the right side of the vagina and rectum for half an inch behind the rectum' Note the same locations, inch/half inch behind the anus, cutting the privates open. Not a coincidence IMO. Ellen Bury was killed 5 months after Eddowes. Whatever Bury didn't do, he did this, which shows his and the ripper's sick interests. Now look at injuries in the same area on McKenzie: 'Seven or eight scratches beginning at the navel and pointing toward the genitalia. Small cut across the mons veneris.' There is really no comparison. It was Bury, who was also a strangler and fits many aspects of the descriptions given at the time. If it's a choice between McKenzie's killer, who we know nothing about - he might not have even been in Whitechapel in 1888 - and Bury, a dangerous man who was and was found to be missing from his home on all of the murder nights that the police could verify - there is no contest IMO.
@WadeRaney-vv5oiКүн бұрын
A Great Presentation as usual 👋,Annie🙏
@OwenNeidhartКүн бұрын
Again, thank you. And particularly for acknowledging Annie. 👍🙂
@harrison4673Күн бұрын
Have you finished with the Jack The Ripper suspect videos? There's quite a lot more you haven't covered yet.
@OwenNeidhartКүн бұрын
No I haven't finished the suspects yet. I'm also working on some other things as well. 👍🙂
@johnhurley4700Күн бұрын
Tabrum was stabbed 30 times she was definitely a ripper victim only a psychopath would overkill someone
@otisdylan9532Күн бұрын
This is the murder about which I'm most uncertain if it was a Ripper murder. I think that the C5 + Tabram either definitely or probably were Ripper murders. I think that the other Whitechapel murders were not. It's fitting that we not be too sure about this one, since there was disagreement among he doctors that saw about whether it was. However, it's an important question in judging the strength of suspects, because there are some suspects that could not have been the Ripper if McKenzie was a Ripper murder (because at that time, they were either dead or locked up).
@dudefish9517Күн бұрын
Owen, you’re doing a good job. You’ll get more views once the algorithm recognizes how popular you could be. In the past, I’d recommended that you do some thing on the Shakespeare conspiracy. You didn’t say anything about it so I think you’re more interested in serial killers. My recommendation is Arthur Shawcross, Rochester, New York. Also known for the ABC serial killer. Lots of information are pretty good book. Good luck with your endeavor.
@OwenNeidhartКүн бұрын
Shakespeare conspiracy... I thought you meant as a Ripper suspect. 🤣🤣 I'll definitely look into it. Thanks for the encouragement. 👍🙂
@dudefish9517Күн бұрын
No, the Shakespeare conspiracy is that he did not write the plays sonnets and poems he is credited for. If you haven’t followed it get ready for a while ride it’s interesting. I still think that Arthur Shawcross in Rochester New York would fit your criteria as well. Pretty gruesome stuff murdered prostitutes. I grew up in New York so it was going on when I was a teenager. Keep up the good work. I love your content and I love your narration.
@OwenNeidhartКүн бұрын
I have started having a look at the Shakespeare stuff. It is very interesting. 🤔 I think it would be a good series. It might be coming soon er rather than later. Thanks for the tip. 👍🙂
@WadeRaney-vv5oi2 күн бұрын
A good connection tween the 2 Jack's👌
@jeffschultz22422 күн бұрын
I don't believe there was a JTR single killer, that JTR was a newspaper myth, and the police spent too much time chasing red hearings under bad assumptions that they blatantly missed a persons of interest at each crime scene. I love getting the deeper dive into each potential crime and the back story of life in the east end slums. All this to say that I find it really hard to tie all these victims into a JTR package... to me, there were a lot of murderers there at the time copying one another and doing their own variations in an effort to make what they did as newsworthy as the alleged JTR killings. If anything, showing all these shows that there were a lot of differences and similarities, and that makes claims of five and only five of a single killer almost crazy talk.
@WadeRaney-vv5oi2 күн бұрын
A pretty fairy,👋
@OwenNeidhartКүн бұрын
🤣
@WadeRaney-vv5oi2 күн бұрын
DR Bond's statement😆
@WadeRaney-vv5oi2 күн бұрын
I'll have a small Mulled wine please Owen👏
@WadeRaney-vv5oi2 күн бұрын
👍
@WadeRaney-vv5oi2 күн бұрын
My praise goes to Alice,as well as You Owen👋
@stephenadams75962 күн бұрын
Great video As you there is not much known about the Thames Torso Murders as identification was all but impossible. There are 2 books coming out later this year so maybe more info to come. Just on a side note this body ( I try to use the names and first name's as much as possible as they were people but we have no identification ) was found as you say in a railway arch. This railway arch has an interesting location as the viaduct when built had demolished the homes of local families some of which move to the streets close by . One such family was the family of Policeman Thomas Cross . Yes the Thomas Cross who was Charles Lechmere's stepfather.. So Quick recape His mother still lived round the corner and would visit his daughter there They used to live in the removed houses when the viaduct was built. I'll get shot for this but JTR . Thames Torso Murders Just keeps coming up 😮 LECHMERE 😮 And Lechmere's Mother had a cat meat business. 🤔 Great series whats next May be body snatch like we spoke of earlier👍👍
@paulmurphy93582 күн бұрын
How many people had a mother whose business was butchering horses, whose son moves out of the house and canonical JTR murders start, every single one of them either on his route to work or on a road directly in the path from a close relative's house, was caught standing over the still bleeding body of one victim having been in that shadowed alley for at least 5 minutes in order to not be seen nor heard by Paul, the dismembered body of another victim 7 paces from the location of his mother's old house; Thames Torso Murders stop the same month that he ceases to drive a delivery cart (that was used to regularly deliver butchered meat). I know it's all circumstantial, but that's just the tip of the iceberg for the circumstantial evidence pointing to Lechmere. Christer, Stowe, and the Pub Test theory might all be correct. Lechmere potentially the killer on several of the murders, but not all, and Jack the Ripper, a creation of the media as a personification of more than one murderer.
@stephenadams75962 күн бұрын
@@paulmurphy9358yeah spot on👍
@otisdylan95322 күн бұрын
@@paulmurphy9358 Cross was standing in the middle of the road, not over the body, and he wouldn't have needed to be any more than a minute, and probably less than that, in front of Paul for Paul to have not heard him.
@paulmurphy9358Күн бұрын
@@otisdylan9532 Based on Ed Stowe walking the commute route of Lechmere and Paul (see his video on House of Lechmere on YT), I do not believe your short timing can be correct. I'm considering both line of sight and hearing the footfalls. The brewery wall was completely lighted because of a theft problem and Paul's commute path was directly behind Lechmere's. Once in the narrow road where she was found, the footfalls were audible from more than 70 meters, at least the patrolman's footfalls were, based on police testimony. I assume a delivery driver had similar work shoes. The lines of sight at multiple corners would have put Lechmere in Paul's line of sight at least 3 times if he wasn't hundreds of meters ahead and Paul reported he didn't see Lechmere until he approached him and asked him to look at the body. Also, the road was very narrow, just a couple of paces from the body to the center of the road. I tried to find a reference to PC Neil or PC Mizen - I think one of the two said they heard the footfalls of the other and based on their positions at the time I think it was at least 70 - 100 meters apart.
@otisdylan9532Күн бұрын
@@paulmurphy9358 I don't know if Cross had to have been hundreds of meters ahead of Paul to not be in Paul's line of sight, but even if that is the case, it was dark. Note that what we do know is that Paul didn't actually see Cross until they were much closer together than hundreds of meters apart.
@damianbowyer20182 күн бұрын
Gr8 Research, Owen....Yep, a Thames Torso Murder with Pinchin Street & Backchurch Lane not far from The Thames. Cudn't be traced and an unsolved murder, but not a Jack The Ripper crime.....Sir Melville probably knew that Bushie was locked away in September 1889, but didn't link this murder to The Alice McKenzie Murder either and successfully deflected the Annie Chapman Anniversary Date...Must have thought that it was another killer, but it seems they stopped seriously investigating any murders after Mary Kelly....They had their man, eh Owen...I'd say Body Snatchers did this one, but getting sloppy with their disposal of the torso, eh Owen...This is likely the last of the 4 Torso Murders and they moved-on after this for whatever reason....Look forward to the last victim, Owen...Cheers fm Damo😀
@davesmith74322 күн бұрын
This body part is found in a burlap sack under an archway. About 20 yards from where once stood the home Charles Lechmere lived with his stepfather. What a coincidence! It was covered in maggots so it had probably been stashed for a few days. As luck would have it, Charles worked in Maria’s(his mom’s) cat’s meat business on Cable st. Just a few minutes walk away from the archway. A cats meat business consists of slaughtering large chunks of horse flesh. And it may or may not be interesting to know that the night the torso was probably dumped, Joseph Vorsdike (Maria’s then husband) went to the hospital where he would eventually die. So, Charles had the shop to himself that night.
@philnewcomers91702 күн бұрын
couvered by EdStoe along with the other Thems Torso murders they remain a mistery my feeling they were done by jtr ttfn&ty
@johnhurley47002 күн бұрын
Owen I think Jack The Ripper committed this crime as well as the Thames torsos murder. It seems unlikely that there would be two homicidal maniacs cutting women up in the same small area.
@davesmith74322 күн бұрын
Agreed. Well said.
@stephenadams75963 күн бұрын
Great video Owen. The fact that they had an argument and he left the lodging house at the time of the murder would make him a suspect. However if it were a copy cat then the medics saying case possible JTR would mean you'd need to look at him for JTR . Who was she rushing to meet? Again with JTR a very small window of opportunity to complete the crime. Being poor etc but showing true kind character helping blind . Shame that blind person may have help in identifying people during the evening that they'd met. Again we have medics conflicting view of same evidence and police saying No no nothing to see here to cover up or subdue public panic . But the increased the police patrols. I recently visited the graves of Annie Millwood, Emma Smith, Martha Tabram. and The conical 5. Which like your videos put into perspective that these were real people
@NicoleLNC753 күн бұрын
This is so frustrating because one of the best witnesses was blind and the land lord and boyfriend have different stories. The doctors all disagree. Who was she meeting? Her killer? Thanks for telling her story Owen.
@OwenNeidhart3 күн бұрын
Thanks. Many unanswered questions for sure. I find it odd that the police increased patrols to keep the public safe, but it doesn't appear that threw many resources into investigating this crime. 🤔
@damianbowyer20183 күн бұрын
Awesome Research, Owen. Same type of wounds on Alice as the 1st 2 JTR Murders of Polly Nichols & Annie Chapman including double throat slash...Bushie possibly locked-up in Coney Hatch at this time, but RDS re-admitted himself to Whitechapel Hospital only a week before this murder and Castle Way is very close to where RDS lived in Castle Lane....Did he admit himself 4 an alibi and then committed the murder when near his home?...Maybe John McCormack killed her 4 not paying the rent, but unlikely and sounds like the first JTR Murderer was at it again, eh Owen....About 9 Months since the Mary Kelly Murder, but doesn't sound like a copycat murder and no facial slashing..Also, the rain probably wud have made cutting-up Alice's Body to remove organs a bit problematic and the culprit left...May have had soft soled shoes on and a witness said that night, someone went past them very suspiciously hiding their face under their hat, but had soft soled shoes on and mumbled something incoherently...Probably RDS on the way back to The Hospital, eh Owen...Look forward to the next victim, Owen....Cheers fm Damo😀
@OwenNeidhart3 күн бұрын
I did not know that about RDS. 😳 He and Francis Thompson keep popping up in the areas where the crimes are committed. 🤔
@damianbowyer20183 күн бұрын
@@OwenNeidhart Yep Owen, a lot of factors indicate RDS was involved in this murder and it was a random attack. Don't think she wud be meeting someone after Midnight after speaking to them hours earlier and in the presence of the blind boy...Very unlikely and more likely she was just looking for a client to pay the rent, as she had spent it on booze...Wrong Place at The Wrong Time once again, eh Owen, but John McCormack wudn't double slash her throat unless he was JTR....RDS very likely the culprit, Owen, but Frances Thompson around as well....Cheers fm Damo😃
@johnhurley47003 күн бұрын
Who really knows when the ripper killed his last victim he was never caught.
@OwenNeidhart3 күн бұрын
Very true, the last two in this series may not necessarily be the last victims. ( Assuming the Ripper wasn't already locked up ) Thanks for watching. 👍🙂
@johnhurley47003 күн бұрын
@@OwenNeidhart Your podcasts are great and informative.
@drbigmdftnu2 күн бұрын
No details given on this one. Was her throat cut? Any signs of strangulation or mutilation? What were the similarities/differences with JTRs M.O.? Was she robbed? Rent money ever found? Did her boyfriend have an alibi for after 11 pm when he went out?
@William-bn9ok3 күн бұрын
I can't help feeling this one may have had something to do with her being heavily pregnant. Given the spread of body parts it's clear it was not intended she would be identified. On the torsos more generally, even today dismemberment and dumping torsos is far more common that what the ripper was doing. Usually it's done because a victim has been killed in one place and cut up for transport and disposal. Last month there was a case like this Bristol and I can think of quite a few over the last 10 years - even ones dumped in the Thames! Not saying the ripper couldn't have done it, but I'm not convinced the torsos were all the ripper or even by the same person. As I may have said before, the one torso that is very curious is John Gill. Unlike the Thames Torsos, the innards had been taken out and placed with the body, the heart under the chin and nose and ears cut off. His boots had been shoved back inside his empty torso. It sounds more like a ripper attempt to shock. The location and victim choice are curious, but a couple of days before the boy was found there was break in nearby with a ripper postcard left at the scene. There were also some letters sent in London before the murder talking about killing boys 'worse than the women' and taking their hearts. All very, very disturbing.
@OwenNeidhart3 күн бұрын
I'm not convinced all the Torso and Ripper crimes were done by the same person either. And I agree there are some real disturbing things that happened to some of these poor people.
@NicoleLNC754 күн бұрын
Thanks for the video Owen! Someone made a point that JTR left his victims on display while the Torso Killer seemed to be hiding victims. That could be a reason why they are though to be two different people. What that said LISK cut up at least one victim and didn’t cut up the others. So you never know.
@OwenNeidhart4 күн бұрын
Thanks for the support. 👍🙂 I agree that the crimes don't have to be identical for the same person to do them. Does make you wonder. 🤔
@NicoleLNC754 күн бұрын
Beautiful ❤
@OwenNeidhart4 күн бұрын
Yes, it was the perfect day. 🙂👍
@damianbowyer20185 күн бұрын
Terrific Research, Owen...4 Murders by the Thames Torso Killer between 1887 & 1889....Elizabeth Jackson I read was 8 Months Pregnant, but cut-up methodically & as U said, the body parts were found many miles apart floating in the Thames...I think it has to be a different killer to the JTR Canonical 5 murders...More than 1 gang in Whitechapel, so why not more than one serial killer.....Read that some of the Thames Torso Victims were badly beaten before death, being discovered forensically by the medical examiners at the time....Completely different MO to JTR, which is most-likely 3 killers and not 1 that did those 5 murders....Some other JTR Suspects cud have been responsible for the Thames Torso Murders, such as Francis Thompson, who was involved with cutting-up cadavers at that time....Body Snatchers were around as well, stealing body parts, internal and external...Cud easily have been a Group of Body Snatchers, that moved-on when it got too hot for them...The Thames Torso Murders were written about in The Lancet and U have to wonder if Bushie read this stuff and was inspired to do something...He was Nuts, so it is possible, but more likely he did the Catherine Eddowes & Mary Kelly Murders, before being locked-up, probably in Coney Hatch soon after by His Uncle, Super Charles Cutbush....Had to be someone not working that did the Thames Torso Murders, as how wud they find the time and a place to cut-up the bodies and then dispose of the parts or sell them, which points to Body Snatchers, eh Owen?...Francis Thompson a Major Suspect, not working and living rough, but did he have access to a warehouse to cut-up the cadavers and sleep there too?...Don't think he wud beat the women very badly too, but when U are Nuts, who knows, eh Owen?...My best guess is body snatchers did the Thames Torso Murders, disposing of the bodies so they cudn't be traced to them....JTR (3 killers), never tried to dispose of the bodies and is a completely different MO, Owen. Look forward to the next victim's story, Owen. Cheers fm Damo.😀
@OwenNeidhart5 күн бұрын
Thanks Damo, body snatchers, and other peole legally selling corpse's for medical research made it a great time be alive. 😳 Yet similar things still happen today.
@damianbowyer20184 күн бұрын
@@OwenNeidhart Too True, Owen....Nasty times then and now, with child trafficking in both eras too...Yep, Body Snatchers most likely to be doing the Thames Torso Murders, with a grudge against the authorities, but I don't think the body parts were meant to be found, but U never know...Would seem that to sell the body parts or whole cadavers and then to dispose of parts for a fee, was callous way of operating a business, eh Owen......Probably shud have burned the discarded parts, but not part of their thinking back in those days....Cheers Owen fm Damo😄
@stephenadams75965 күн бұрын
Great video . I think the chances of 2 people attacking/mutilating/dismembering with similar cutting to some victims very unlikely and with body part being found washed up along the Thames , Regent cannal battersea park new scotland yard building whist under construction and Pinchin street Whitechapel that may be our friend Jack had found a place to perform more atrocious crimes . There was of course an industry in dead bodies for medical/surgical experintation and who's to say that some may have be not er dead .and you'd have to dispose of these bodies also . Excellent point about the babies or many be non babies. If you can take anything positive from all of this it would be the various reforms ie street lighting & conditions Dr Banardo's etc that happened soon after . Think the problem with JTR , the twists and turns with just not enough info .and the strongly conflicting opinion of the police, medics , coroner. Think your doing a great job of keeping it simple to follow 👍.
@OwenNeidhart5 күн бұрын
Thank you. 👍🙂 I could do a video on this comment. 🙂 The medical experimentation is something worth exploring in detail.
@davesmith74325 күн бұрын
During the hay day of the American serial killers, 1970s-90s, FBI Suggested there were 50-100 active serial killers at any time in the U.S. Across a vast country of 300+ million people. That’s a drop in the ocean. Serial killers are rare. Dismemberment serial killers are extremely rare. In the 1900 UK census there were only 40 million people. So the chances that there are two of these extremely rare people, operating in the same place at the same time is highly unlikely. Consider that the victims of the 2 different crime sprees. They’re the same gender, age range, race & social class. Consider the damage done to the victims. Despite the obvious dismemberment, there are striking similarities! In Elizabeth’s case, the killer attempted to decapitate her via knife and failed. He cut her stomach open with a long vertical cut. He took her uterus, the growing fetus, her placenta, and spleen. Annie Chapman, killed about nine months prior with similar injuries. The killer tried to decapitate her via knife and failed. He cut her stomach open the same way he removed her uterus. And these similarities are just among 2 of the victims. There’s plenty more. Not to mention, the Pinchin St torso, and its direct connection to the carman who was seen standing alone with the body of Polly Nichols. The murders were not related because the “MO was different” or “serial killers don’t change their MO”. That’s an outdated myth. Yes they do change. For all sorts of reasons. There are plenty of examples of it now. “They never stop until they’re cut or locked up”. Wrong again. Yes they do take breaks and sometimes retire if not caught or killed. And I would argue that the MO isn’t that different anyway. The killer in both cases wants shock and recognition. He enjoys the fear he instills, thus, the power he gets from his activities. It’s the same psychology. Just slightly different means to get there. The murders are connected to the same man. Good job mentioning these little known victims Owen. Poor Elizabeth was identified via a birthmark by her mom. It’s very sad.
@OwenNeidhart5 күн бұрын
Can't disagree with your comment at all. It's brutal enough talking about some of these poor people. I agree with the MO, and find it odd that it's suggested that people don't change. * Society in general doesn't, but individuals do ) I've got 3 videos left in this tangent. Then we'll see where this goes. 👍
@johnhurley47005 күн бұрын
Mcnaughton was bad for the ripper investigation. The chances of two maniacs in the area committing these murders isnt good.
@OwenNeidhart5 күн бұрын
Sir Melville certainly had strong opinions. I for one encourage strong opinions. Yet I feel in this case he may have had a hidden agenda... 🤔
@jeffschultz22425 күн бұрын
These are very informative, explaining details I was unaware of.
@OwenNeidhart5 күн бұрын
Thanks so much. 🙂👍 The encouragement is appreciated and also the support you give to this channel. I'm only three videos away from finishing this side series. The plan was to paint the picture of what life was like for everyone back then.
@Dreadtheday5 күн бұрын
One body had a tube of paint nearby. The throat focus, the wax figures, the insane poetry.... yeah idn.
@OwenNeidhart5 күн бұрын
Thanks for the comment. I appreciate your point of view. 👍🙂
@William-bn9ok6 күн бұрын
Yeah good analysis. You’ve got the main point about this case - Anderson is useless. Note that ‘Dr’ Anderson was not a medical man, he was a barrister by training, and I think his ‘Dr’ was academic. In total 5 actual doctors saw the body - 4 said murder. As you said, only Bond came up with this bizarre idea about a stiff starch collar, and he saw the body 5 days after the event. Bond seems like a good doctor in other ways. He also did a summary of the whole case a put together a short profile of the killer that in many ways is very similar to the later FBI profile. Makes me wonder if Anderson was pressuring him on the ‘not murder’ angle. Another question. Why had the ripper possibly moved his work to Poplar? My feeling is that it was the ripper that attempted to kill Farmer and he had been seen up close, in daylight by several people. That meant his main hunting ground was off limits due to fear of being recognised. We’re not talking about dusky half glances by Lawende or Schwartz, but full a full on view. As to the culprit, as I said in a previous comment, my money is on Bury. By early December, shortly after the Farmer incident, he sold his horse and cart so would have been on foot and Clarke’s Yard was only 1 mile from where he lived. In Dundee he went into a shop and bought a cord that he used to strangle his wife. The cord mark went all the way around her neck and was level apart from about two inches on the left side where it rose up slightly. On Rose Mylett the cord mark was level and only broken for about two inches - on the left side. The Mylett case is the only one where a name was called out for one of two men seen running from the high street around the time of the murder - ‘Bill’ - what Bury’s wife called him.
@OwenNeidhart6 күн бұрын
Interesting thoughts on Bury... also his wife's body was in a trunk. It's possible that he did more crimes than we know.
@jasonfallowfield83827 күн бұрын
awesome video really enjoy all your videos always look forward to the next
@OwenNeidhart7 күн бұрын
Thanks heaps. 👍🙂
@NicoleLNC757 күн бұрын
I’ve never heard of this case! Thanks for the video. My theory is they had a suspect for Jack and after the person died or was put in an asylum, they refused to link more murders to the ripper.
@drbigmdftnu7 күн бұрын
Really enjoying this series. JTR cases are fascinating puzzles for us today, as they are so old and all the suspects and victims are long gone. But of course they were real people, the police were very constrained by lack of technology AND the need to quell the hysteria and bloodthirsty revenge on the minds of people back then - lynch mobs were about and anti-semitism in particular were serious concerns.
@OwenNeidhart7 күн бұрын
Very true.
@johnhurley47008 күн бұрын
Shes a ripper victim as are all the Thames and Pinchin St. torsos. Martha Tabrum was the start of the 1888 killings.
@paulmurphy93588 күн бұрын
I haven't heard of Rose, but if the CSI shows are to be believed, they always seem to mention petechial hemorrhage as definitive for strangulation. Did autopsies back then use that term?
@OwenNeidhart7 күн бұрын
I'm really not sure. I just found it odd that they didn't even explain what the natural causes were. 🤔
@damianbowyer20188 күн бұрын
Gr8 Research, Owen...Confusing one with the Medical Examiner's opinions differing and a possibility of accidental strangulation for poor Rose....She was found around Clark's Yard off Poplar High Street, approximately 3 Miles East of where Mary Kelly was murdered in Miller's Court...Rose was seen at a Pub with 2 Sailor's, as The Docklands are not far from where she was found dead, a couple of hours later...Varying reports over those hours where people said she was sober, but later rolling drunk....Cud have been an accidental strangulation, as no aggressive marks or wounds from knives were found on her body...No way this was a JTR Crime, but if she was murdered, she had nothing that indicated The Ripper was involved...It was cold in late December and perhaps she was drunk or maybe a two pot screamer that didn't take much to be drunk or pass out, eh Owen....Maybe she passed-out and the stiff velvet collar on her dress cut-off her breathing and she died....It happens and sometimes people choke on their own vomit, not waking-up ala Bon Scott, but not in this case....She just didn't wake-up when in an awkward position lying in Clark's Yard...Maybe if Police Sergeant Golding saw her a bit earlier, he may have been able to save her, eh Owen...Look forward to the next victim, Owen...Cheers fm Damo.😀
@johnhurley47008 күн бұрын
The ripper strangled each one of his victims then cut them up according to time. He heard someone coming so didnt have time to mutilate.
@drbigmdftnu7 күн бұрын
Thanks for the additional info
@sandy-quimsrus8 күн бұрын
Biscuits? Wtf did I miss here?
@sandy-quimsrus8 күн бұрын
Penny drops, this case perhaps? 😂❤
@davesmith74328 күн бұрын
Excellent points Owen. I agree this woman was murdered. By whom, not sure. It seems after the murder of Mary Kelly and the resignation of Swanson, the police wanted these murderers to stop. One way or the other. Which feeds into the myth that the Ripper stopped. With the murders still to come, I don’t buy the police narrative.
@OwenNeidhart8 күн бұрын
Yes, it's odd how the narrative suddenly changed.
@stephenadams75968 күн бұрын
👍 like to see you have a grasp of this one . What a mess you'd think the police had run out of paint and corners to paint into by now and actually start looking again but took the next victim for that. Police 🤔 how many Dr's does it take to get the wrong conclusion. Or the answer "THEY " wanted 😮🤫 Dr strangled by string Dr no no sign of strangulation. Dr no actually she fell down drunk and some how strangled herself on her own collar. DR actually could have been JTR victim . 🙂👍 Just like those multiple choices questions where you get 4 chances . Where or not Rose was a victim of JTR or not what a complete farcical in justice. I as said I believe that the police's position was no more JTR at any cost . I think imho that she was a victim of JTR , he was disturbed as with Elizabeth Stride and I would argue Polly Nichols . The fact that the police had washed there hands of JTR to save face and after all , all there suspects had been instutionalised or fled the country or committed suicide how convenient so's not have to enter into any further investigation of JTR murders or attacks. I would argue Jack hiding in plain sight and continuing his murderous way's. The reason I say disturbed and included Polly is because I believe imho that Charles Cross/Lechmere was disturbed by Robert Paul in Bucks Row . Not only is he at the scene then but he is also still around to commit the later crimes .
@ohmy42758 күн бұрын
Hutchinson was outside Mary Kelly's room, knew Mary Kelly and and was around the area as well. What we know about the movement of dozens and dozens of men including policemen at that small area is absolutely miniscule. And none of what we know about the suspects can be used as evidence. It's annoying, yes, but it's true
@mikepotts24709 күн бұрын
When compared to the farcical investigation into the Yorkshire ripper murders I doubt the police in 1888 were more credible or organised and less influenced by preconceptions
@OwenNeidhart8 күн бұрын
Very true. 👍🙂
@damianbowyer20189 күн бұрын
Terrific Research, Owen....Sounds a bit strange the whole affair and U have to wonder if Annie was a Policeman dressed as a female unfortunate, in order to nab JTR....The Police didn't go after the fleeing man, dressed as JTR had been described before, as having a shabby genteel appearance...Definitely strange that a man running past them who looks distressed, wudn't alarm them that something was happening, eh Owen...The 2nd man who was apprehended, but cleared, also sounds a bit strange and U wonder if Vigilante Groups were involved in some of these things trying to catch JTR by deceiving him...Didn't appear to work in either case, Police or Vigilante Groups, but JTR most-likely already in an asylum around this time, after the brutal Mary Kelly Murder...Look forward to the next victim in the series, Owen.....Cheers fm Damo.😄
@OwenNeidhart9 күн бұрын
Yes, rather odd scenario. 👍🙂
@damianbowyer20189 күн бұрын
@@OwenNeidhart 🤪😉
@drbigmdftnu10 күн бұрын
Ripper fever.
@OwenNeidhart10 күн бұрын
Certainly was. 👍🙂
@WadeRaney-vv5oi10 күн бұрын
A Good Presentation as usual 👋
@OwenNeidhart10 күн бұрын
I appreciate that 👍🙂🍺
@davesmith743210 күн бұрын
Good point Owen that Ripper fever is in full swing at this time.
@stephenadams759610 күн бұрын
Imho i don't believe this to be JTR think as you say more likely a man being robbed . Strange the neck wound but not a slash/cut again not a cry of help etc but murder (which it wasn't). Think as you say he took flight as there had been many completely innocent people had been attacked by mobs as thought to be JTR. Think the police as I've said before had lost control and after Mary's mutilation were trying to play down these two event's. As for the press well how boring not mutilated no deaths wouldn't sell paper's so just reported things with a little dig at the police of course. As to the next victim, I believe Rose was a JTR victim. Another great video Owen 👍👍
@OwenNeidhart10 күн бұрын
Thanks. And yes Rose is an interesting discussion for sure. Thanks for the support, and I really mean that. 👍🙂🍺
@user-ue8nw6ln1u10 күн бұрын
That's a picture of Florence Nightingale. She wasn't Jack the Ripper.
@OwenNeidhart10 күн бұрын
This video is in the victim series, not suspects. 🙂 ( Not that Florence Nightingale was a victim either ) Thanks for the comment. 👍
@sandy-quimsrus10 күн бұрын
What can I say, had one of the best hours of my life in an hourly hotel on New Year's Day. Didn't get paid but I had lots of pleasure.❤
@OwenNeidhart10 күн бұрын
I'm glad you were able to find a room in such a high class establishment. As a struggling writer, it is the type of room I can only dream of. 🙂
@sandy-quimsrus10 күн бұрын
@@OwenNeidhart it was in Spain in my youth and both of us didn't speak the same language. But we spoke the same language ; ) . One should never regret the indiscretions of our youth.❤️