"Reaching" during the golf swing
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@blawson0330
@blawson0330 Күн бұрын
Hogan's Five Lessons should have been called "This is how You Dony Hook a Golf Ball". He even stated in an interview once that the lessons were for a "fella who hits a big hook". That being said the book is stiil about 90% accurate. For slicers, you want the grip a bit more in yhe fingers and stronger, as in two knuckles. At the top of the backseing don't cup your wrist, let it bow the other way. Other than that the book is golden.
@MrBarrynicholas
@MrBarrynicholas 14 күн бұрын
Thought everyone did this!
@stevelavery4766
@stevelavery4766 18 күн бұрын
Complete nonsense. My father-in-law was a golf pro and I was struggling with my game and wasn’t playing enough. He gave me Ben Hogan‘s book, I studied it and practiced the grip and swing and went from shooting over 120 to Breaking 120 then breaking 110 then breaking 100 and then breaking 90 all in one summer using only his teaching and the Ben Hogan book. Hogan says the more pressure (situationally) you put on the swing the better it gets and the more reliable it is
@pappaflammyboi5799
@pappaflammyboi5799 23 күн бұрын
You're only missing one, maybe two components. The main one was Moe tilted at address somewhere between 15° to 25°, (depending on the club) which I believe contributed to him squatting through the swing on the downswing when his lagging leg went from straight to bent and slightly rotated, as it followed his torso through the rotation. This forces him to drop his body height naturally. To do otherwise would probably cause injury. He mentions this squatting down move in several videos, and you can obviously tell he does it on the rear view as well as front view of videos of him. Of course Moe was a horrible teacher, but most golf instructors are. Their words have subjective meaning, or are confusing without context, change from person-to-person, and don't align with the biomechanics of the human anatomy.
@Scratch_Monsters_Golf
@Scratch_Monsters_Golf 24 күн бұрын
What exactly are we referring to as the “dip?” The lower body action? If so, the knees and hips are clearly on their way down and left before, and through, impact, it just hasn’t bottomed out yet. Are we not hitting down “through” the ball just because the club continues to descend to its low point after it strikes the ball? I’ve been in agreement with an every one of your videos I’ve seen up to this point, but either I’m just not seeing it the way you are, or this a bit of a reach. I don’t think you can separate the end of the hip action from the entire move, which is what I would say people are calling the “dip.” 🤔
@Scratch_Monsters_Golf
@Scratch_Monsters_Golf 25 күн бұрын
I’ve always played better standing a bit further away from the ball, but it’s easy to creep back too close over the years. Thanks for the reminder 💪🏼😎
@robsaxepga
@robsaxepga 28 күн бұрын
Can't move away from the ball if you're on the toes or balls. Nor can your body turn effectively. The point to be made is that keeping the weight moving toward the heels doesn't influence ball flight but allows for it. If you're concentrating on the heels and you're hitting the ball funny, check the hands and arms first before you mess up your pivot. Sorry, it is possible to do this. In your routine/process, if you tap the heels during your waggle and then start your swing by "slamming" the trail heel into the ground, the natural biometric response will be to "smash" the left heel down to start the downswing. It's a natural response you've set up in your feet. Foot rhythm if you will. Try it. Viktor Hovlind does that, very obviously.
@jamesandresen4927
@jamesandresen4927 28 күн бұрын
Totally agree with your focus on distance from ball at setup; I tried it and instantly rotated properly and in balance, no early extension, fixed in 5 minutes after 15 years of failed teachings - terrific. Question - Just wondering if by standing farther from the ball, would it likely cause the lie angle of your clubs to need to be redone?
@robsaxepga
@robsaxepga Ай бұрын
Gene "the machine" littler had the same footwork
@robsaxepga
@robsaxepga Ай бұрын
What most don't understand is that weight forward promotes a steeper swing above the address established plane. Having the weight favoring the heels helps the pivot work as it should.
@davidmcnamara3243
@davidmcnamara3243 Ай бұрын
Extreme float loading. Bruin was a golf swing genius !
@BroncoYeller
@BroncoYeller Ай бұрын
Dave, are the Pro's back on their heels because they get in their flexion and rotation? Meaning is being on the heels necessary because they setup with arms hanging down? If that is true, then why is it still necessary to have weight on heels for a setup for impact address?
@theamateurgolfersdilemma72
@theamateurgolfersdilemma72 Ай бұрын
Virtually every good player is on their heels as forward momentum toward the ball is death. But I cannot say one way or another regarding your questions.
@BroncoYeller
@BroncoYeller Ай бұрын
@@theamateurgolfersdilemma72 Dave, it might just be that regardless if you do the pro setup, or setup for impact, the arms are going to be 'out there' at impact. The hanging arm setup has to move back to allow the arms to extend. The setup for impact player just has to maintain the setup radius. And because the weight of the arms swinging out in space pulls on the body, there has to be what David Lee calls a counterfall to maintain equilibrium. I think that might be it. By the way, enjoyed your book very much. Gold mine!
@marktheblake
@marktheblake Ай бұрын
Brilliant. Watched many of your videos in 2 days. I have a question for you, if a Golfer lacks rotation skill (me) and doesnt early extend (me) and has a claasic arms straight down at address (me) what symptons might we see? Could be Heel strikes and hands even lower at impact?
@theamateurgolfersdilemma72
@theamateurgolfersdilemma72 Ай бұрын
I cannot say - there are lots of joint movement variables. And we need to find what works for us. Very general but accurate. EA Tischler is the best teach pro in my opinion.
@thomasfraser9072
@thomasfraser9072 Ай бұрын
As a lifetime amateur I first place my upper arms across my chest and then bend my body from my hip joints as I lay my club head perpendicular to the ball. After having aimed to start my ‘upswing’ I simply use the fast twitch muscles surrounding the trail side of my hip and for my downswing I use the fast twitch muscles surrounding my lead hip to pull it and my entire lead side out of the way to complete my downswing . Another words as I swing my club my only thoughts are twitch right hip/ twitch left hip and the magic behind my swing has last me a lifetime of fun and satisfaction. Of course my putting sucks. 😂 🥂😊👍Cheers
@briandavidedwards5545
@briandavidedwards5545 2 ай бұрын
I`m glad I caught this Video.I always thought Moes drop meant the arms thus creating an in to out swing with a flatter plane. I kept my head still and and just dropped the arms and it was a shocking mess.I will revisit the idea and see how it goes
@robertbrandywine
@robertbrandywine 2 ай бұрын
"Like me" sounds correct. Like can be a preposition, which takes the objective case (me) or a conjunction "like I do".
@dth3357
@dth3357 2 ай бұрын
Coming from a 15+ handicapper
@COACHONTHECOURS
@COACHONTHECOURS 2 ай бұрын
I teach the exact same way you describe it. My clients all say the same thing. It feels weird. But, keeping your arms away from your body clears the hips like said because we can’t do what the PROS do. Based on their body type. I teach to the individuals body type. Most amateurs just wanna make contact. I find this is the simplest way to create their desired outcome. It’s about the client’s abilities.
@theamateurgolfersdilemma72
@theamateurgolfersdilemma72 2 ай бұрын
I think it is the best way to start as it is the least complicated and can lead one to find their true move. I am able to stand with my feet much more narrow now, but still keep my arms/hands away from my body. Your clients are lucky to have you.
@flyingfree387
@flyingfree387 2 ай бұрын
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@theamateurgolfersdilemma72
@theamateurgolfersdilemma72 2 ай бұрын
Very well said !!
@michaeldodd6864
@michaeldodd6864 2 ай бұрын
If Hogan had not served in the war at a young age he may be up with Tiger and Jack in the major race. He was a genius!
@moboiler81
@moboiler81 3 ай бұрын
Barber looks like Matthew Wolff
@dave_gillan
@dave_gillan 3 ай бұрын
More 'click bait'!!!
@theamateurgolfersdilemma72
@theamateurgolfersdilemma72 2 ай бұрын
Revealing your deep ignorance
@sepetisionelatu5539
@sepetisionelatu5539 3 ай бұрын
Be careful, the flying elbow polices are out there like the cupping of the lead wrist as they are demons lol. They are both good to use just depends on the individual because the ones that say they are both bad are hooking/slicing the ball with whatever they consider proper right now so who are they to judge 🤣🤣 fly away elbows and if you still say it's bad go ask the GOAT, Jack Nicklaus his opinion.
@mtsdivine
@mtsdivine 3 ай бұрын
You are 100% correct. Very few people have the postural balance and hip internal rotation to play golf like Hogan. Most amateurs would be better off setting up with the club on the shoulder plane like Moe Norman.
@theamateurgolfersdilemma72
@theamateurgolfersdilemma72 3 ай бұрын
You clearly think for yourself, so many of the other comments are from Hogan cultists. Check out EA Tischler - he is the best way to go. Extremely scientific and an exceptional teacher.
@bobnodzo535
@bobnodzo535 3 ай бұрын
So basically take a Moe Norman single plane approach which would benefit most amateurs who shoot in the 90’s
@BroncoYeller
@BroncoYeller 3 ай бұрын
Dave I've been absorbing your book, which is fantastic. I've been working on trying to get on the heels more. I think I've done alot of damage to my lead knee and back by rotating on the forefoot of my lead foot my whole golf career. Today when I played I made good progress on staying on the heels. I almost felt like a hammer thrower. I have a question. In trying to find the balance, and playing the ball further away from me, I experimented with trying to keep good posture in my thoracic portion of my back. I was trying to not hunch over as I setup to the shot. I found that by doing that I was able to comfortably keep on the heels throughout the swing. Your thoughts? P.S. Felt zero back pain and stiffness both during and after the round. I can't recall the last time that happened.
@rodrandle420
@rodrandle420 3 ай бұрын
I struggled with poor ball striking most of my life. I finally read Hogan's book. My ball striking improved exponentially. Best thing that ever happened to my golf game. I would highly recommend it for learning the correct fundamentals of the golf swing. This dude is selling a compensation for poor fundamentals, Ignore it.
@theamateurgolfersdilemma72
@theamateurgolfersdilemma72 3 ай бұрын
You poor confused creature
@terrencejohnson3277
@terrencejohnson3277 3 ай бұрын
Never disrespect Hogan. Unless you’ve won 65 PGA tournaments.
@dougkercher3364
@dougkercher3364 3 ай бұрын
That's why you are an amateur.
@markflolid5930
@markflolid5930 3 ай бұрын
What’s your point?
@jamestaylor2976
@jamestaylor2976 3 ай бұрын
Wondered about balance. Is it the result of a good swing or the cause of a good swing? I remember some golf analysts saying 'good balance. The notion seemed to be that the balance was a result of a proper motion.
@waqarghulam3548
@waqarghulam3548 3 ай бұрын
Left knee outside of left foot is very important and very hard to do
@lesoleebayful
@lesoleebayful 4 ай бұрын
Do you give online lessons?
@theamateurgolfersdilemma72
@theamateurgolfersdilemma72 3 ай бұрын
I do not ... EA Tischler is the best teacher in my opinion. Very scientific. He is at Olympia Fields south of Chicago
@NotMe-yr6zs
@NotMe-yr6zs 4 ай бұрын
You correctly identify early extension as primarily a setup issue, but your solutions and assumptions about innate ability are flawed. Overcoming early extension doesn't hinge on inherent talent; almost anyone can learn the necessary adjustments. By setting up with the armpits over the balls of your feet, arms hanging naturally, and a slight pelvic tuck, and ensuring the right shoulder moves directly back during the backswing, you can correct this issue. Your video still shows your pelvis moving toward the ball; try the adjustments I suggest in your next practice for immediate improvement.
@dd938gje
@dd938gje 4 ай бұрын
How many championships have you won ??
@chrisbrimhall1613
@chrisbrimhall1613 4 ай бұрын
Like Trevino said…the golf swing starts at 6” prior to contact and ends 6” after impact…the rest is just motion
@Noyb.265
@Noyb.265 4 ай бұрын
Ben Hogan forgot more about the golf swing than you will ever, ever know. The notion that 'some guy' even thinks about questioning him is laughable.
@theamateurgolfersdilemma72
@theamateurgolfersdilemma72 4 ай бұрын
You actually think this videos are about about playing golf...you poor thing.
@ayotollaofrockandrolla7219
@ayotollaofrockandrolla7219 5 ай бұрын
I would even throw Calvin Peete in the mix. He had a modified style Bruen movement as well
@markcollins8881
@markcollins8881 5 ай бұрын
Excellent analysis and explanation! ... I'm an amateur who struggled for years to find a repeatable swing and decent power. As is often the case, I discovered something thru happenstance in a "necessity is the mother of invention" kind of way. I was faced with a severe downhill lie on a raised ridge (basically, an inverse ditch), and I hit a 5-iron 210 yards, which is 40 yards further than my normal 170 yard distance. I came off the downhill lie and swing in a walking forward motion. I realized how far I hit the ball and I remember looking back at the severe downhill lie looking for answers as to what just happened. It took me a few days of pondering, and I came to the conclusion that the severe downhill lie had forced me to transfer my lower body weight to my left side on the downswing. Then, I remembered the tip from Jack Nicklaus about "replant the left heel". I put 2 + 2 together, and decided to start my downswing by replanting my left heel. I made a conscious effort to replant my left heel before my backswing was complete, which created torque between my unfinished backswing and my newly-initiated downswing. The end result was that I finally created coiled torque, finally transferred my weight to my left side properly, and finally found a repeatable swing thought: "Replant the left heel!". And, because I need to start that left heel replant so early in the swing (before the completion of my backswing), that swing thought became shortened to simply: "heel!". ... I added one other swing improvement, and that was to allow my shoulders, arms, and hands to fall naturally "into the slot" on the downswing, with no extraneous conscious force being used to propel them toward the target line/ball. Once I did this, I realized that I had tapped into something special, as I had removed all conscious effort to "hit the ball", and simply allowed my shoulders, arms, and hands to "whip thru the hitting zone" naturally. ... Between replanting my left heel early, and allowing my shoulders, arms, and hands to fall naturally, I've improved my swing a great deal, I'm on balance, and I'm hitting the ball with greater consistency. ... Listen to Jack Nicklaus and Mr. Seaman, and "replant the left heel!", my friends. ... If anyone ever asks me how to play golf, I tell them to "Play from the ground, up.". I hit the ball with my feet. Seriously.
@Sueezedtight
@Sueezedtight 5 ай бұрын
Moe's swing has been analyzed and is perfectly emulated by Todd "Little Moe" Graves. I learned it 3 years ago and it saved my back while maintaining my 6 hdcp (6300 yd. course). The SPS (Single Plane Swing). Best golf money I ever spent. No pain, no ice and no pills, just long (235 driver carry at 70 y.o.) straight shots down the center of the fairway. :)
@theamateurgolfersdilemma72
@theamateurgolfersdilemma72 5 ай бұрын
LOL ... Graves can't even do Moe's 70 year old heart disease swing like Moe.
@Sueezedtight
@Sueezedtight 5 ай бұрын
@@theamateurgolfersdilemma72 Not according to bio-metric analysis, which are facts and not just opinion...
@theamateurgolfersdilemma72
@theamateurgolfersdilemma72 5 ай бұрын
@@Sueezedtight facts come with evidence . Cite the biometric evidence if available..
@Sueezedtight
@Sueezedtight 5 ай бұрын
@@theamateurgolfersdilemma72 Todd Graves covers it in several related videos , DYOR. Including a recent Golf Digest article.
@theamateurgolfersdilemma72
@theamateurgolfersdilemma72 4 ай бұрын
@@Sueezedtight Not even close...Graves is in the dark and so are you.
@ChiefCowpie
@ChiefCowpie 5 ай бұрын
Juju swing, Brad Peterson
@mikebirnie6381
@mikebirnie6381 5 ай бұрын
For every action there's and equal and opposite reaction...now it makes sence...I stand up too early from flexed knees...I will try this and report back
@edge21str
@edge21str 5 ай бұрын
It's interesting you would focus on the proximity to the ball. I'm mostly self taught and the moment when I started standing closer to the ball with irons is when my swing improved the most.
@DaGolfViking
@DaGolfViking 5 ай бұрын
I love this video, and it makes so much sense. I'm really gonna try and implement it. That being said, I just tried it in the yard with some plastic balls, and it seemed to make the slice worse. I know it will take some getting use to, but any tips that may help that? Thanks.
@shofey
@shofey 5 ай бұрын
Follow Sam Snead. You'll be better off. 84 Tour Victories. Snead wrote a book detailing exactly how to swing like him.
@TigerTigerWoodsYall
@TigerTigerWoodsYall 5 ай бұрын
I knew this was a problem when I looked at video of my swing. Standing up on both toes at impact. It's inconsistent and a ugly swing
@user-zo5zj5rw3j
@user-zo5zj5rw3j 5 ай бұрын
I've really enjoyed you videos. Maybe you can help me out? I'm seriously thinking about going for a set of single lengths. I'm curious to see how the gapping between irons is working for you. Plus are the P, 9 and 8 "ballooning" while the 4 and 5 seem to be flighted down? These seem to be the issues other youtubers have pointed out. Your view would be greatly appreciated . Thanks
@theamateurgolfersdilemma72
@theamateurgolfersdilemma72 5 ай бұрын
Thanks, glad they are useful. I have not had that experience with flighting issues, so I cannot say, I bought mine from 1-iron as I mentioned I think in the video. You get a month try them out - that is the only way to know. I think you only have to pay the return shipping charges.
@user-zo5zj5rw3j
@user-zo5zj5rw3j 5 ай бұрын
@@theamateurgolfersdilemma72 Thanks for the reply... going to take the plunge today
@IanPunter
@IanPunter 5 ай бұрын
This guy is just another know it all bozo. Ignore him.
@theamateurgolfersdilemma72
@theamateurgolfersdilemma72 5 ай бұрын
Such deep insight
@jackflash8756
@jackflash8756 5 ай бұрын
How can rotating the pelvis/hips better, which rotate on a much flatter plane than the individual torso ,shoulders , arm planes, have such an impact on club swing plane from top of the backswing to impact? One things for sure , you probably need to rotate your pelvis better to create greater degree of freedom to swing your arms/club. There are some short powerful muscles in the pelvis that when contracted can partially assist pelvic rotation from top of backswing to lead arm horizontal in the downswing (lateral pelvic rotator muscles). Then from downswing lead arm parallel to impact, it's probably the leg muscles (ie. glutes) doing the work to rotate the pelvis even more.
@bryanjohnson2466
@bryanjohnson2466 5 ай бұрын
Some dude called Bobby Jones used to have same length clubs.