No they arent good entrepreneurs they are scam artists and poachers
@ApexPredatorOutdoors17 сағат бұрын
Use code APS18 to get 18% off your blind on TidWe's website! I talked to the company and they are listening to my feedback and possibly looking to make it even better in the future!
@Ep2.0-o7iКүн бұрын
Chris bee with his 80 pound bow 450 grain arrow, making pin cushions out of water buffalo all over Australia just entered the chat.
@ApexPredatorOutdoors17 сағат бұрын
100% People were saying "Should have used a heavier arrow", but when they got one down it was through and through with a sub 500 grain arrow!
@Ep2.0-o7i16 сағат бұрын
@@ApexPredatorOutdoors haha no it wasn't, i was being sarcastic, dude wounded one with 0 penetration trying to take a frontal and took four arrows on another that didn't penetrate for crap. It was an awful look. Maybe one arrow made it to the other side. His arrows performed like crap on that thing. He was way under arrowed trying to prove a point.
@Ep2.0-o7i16 сағат бұрын
@@ApexPredatorOutdoors even the one arrow he thought might have made it through was more than likely the entrance for his 2nd arrow.
@ApexPredatorOutdoors16 сағат бұрын
@Ep2.0-o7i That frontal shot wouldn't have been any more lethal with a heavy arrow. It just wasn't a good shot. If you watch till the end they did the necropsy it showed that one passed all the way through, and the others went almost all the way. Plenty of videos out there of heavy arrows not penetrating all the way through as well. Before arrow weight I'd question his broadhead choice.
@Ep2.0-o7i16 сағат бұрын
@@ApexPredatorOutdoors I did watch til the end, the so called necropsy he did was just him seeing a hole on that side that he suspected his first arrow came out on which more than likely was actually the entrance of the 2nd arrow or the first arrow getting pushed through when the buffalo fell onto the first arrow. Because you definitely do not see any hole when the animal turns and he takes his second shot. Saying a heavier arrow doesn't make it through is speculation as well. Can you point me in the direction of a heavy arrow not penetrating very well, with a fixed blade?
@mike300rumКүн бұрын
People in these videos will often say heavy penetrates way better, but they never show a test and back it up. Every test I've seen heavy arrows only barely penetrate better. Like an inch or less on ballistic gel. Which means the benefits of a light arrow far outweigh the penetration issue. I shoot a 350 gr arrow and i hunt elk, mule deer and moose. I've never had a penetration issue.
@blaydedoutdoors2 күн бұрын
You make any for Hoyt?
@ApexPredatorOutdoors2 күн бұрын
I need to find somebody with a hoyt bow so I can 3D scan the grip. If you're able to take yours off of the bow, and take about a hundred pictures in a circle a different angles I might be able to make one! Lol if you're up to the task you can email me at [email protected]
@328am2 күн бұрын
I shoot 455 grains on 70lb w/a Magnus Stinger. Zero complaints
@ApexPredatorOutdoors2 күн бұрын
Nice. Great setup!
@jasonteebo14373 күн бұрын
This whole thing is kinda a joke imo .for us older guys that have hunted since the 80s and really know what slow and heavy arrows are have not much problems with any equipment today..most people forget its far more important to shoot good and have a good broadhead thats razor sharp and holds together
@ApexPredatorOutdoors3 күн бұрын
100% Use sharp broadheads and reap the benefits!
@african74984 күн бұрын
The 2 camps are actually on the same page. I have heard Troy same time and again " just get to 550gr". JD is hunting with 530gr arrows. So, no difference.
@Sparky5134 күн бұрын
Im more for a arrow with integrity, accurate, with a sharp broadhead. Currently shooting Rip Tko 300 spine, 50gr titanium insert, and a 200gr single bevel total arrow weight 515gr with a 23% foc Was shooimg this setup with a 125gr and out to 30yards dont even have to adhust my sight POI is literally the same they group within an 1' of each other time to target is .0001 difference 😂at 20yards. I look at it like this if your hunting within 30 yards out of a tree, upgrade your inserts to SS or titanium and shot whatever broadhead youve been successfull with, and dont worry about the posable 20-50gr extra weight for more integrity. Stop trying to go for light or heavy just look for perfect flight and structural integrity period, i dont care if your 400gr or 600 grain if thats what youve been successfull with keep it going but recommend gettimg rid of aluminum. But the whole 4" of penitration from 15yards is a f*cking joke btw and ive been seeing plenty of that. If your getting bs penitration change something naybe your bows not tuned properly, maybe to light, might be rhat cheap aluminum bending and losing momentum could be a number of things. These are rhe ones RF are trying to help, hes not telking eveyone to up the weight, hes giving a solution to those people having penitration issues and looking for help, kinda like AA for hunter struggling. I dont worry about weight, i focus on perfect arrow fligt, structural integrity, and broadhead sharpness, ive been everywhere from 415ish-515ish and never had any issues with how i do my arrow setups. Ive pryed arrows out of trees and still spin perfect, with aluminum bs you aint doing this, titanium inserts are light of your worriied about weight, $$$ but its worth it out of 12 arrows from 2 years im only down 1 as it hit a concreat block, letting down and accidentally hit the trigger 😂 opps. But other than that its resharpen and reuse or put a new feildpoint on it and its good as new, trees, roots, dirt, animals, everything but concrete
@Sparky5134 күн бұрын
Sorry for the short story 😂
@ApexPredatorOutdoors4 күн бұрын
Lol 🤣. I think a lot of people quote Ranch Fairy and Ed Ashby as if arrow weight is what his study was all about. Arrow Weight was like number 5 or 6 on his list of a dozen or so things that make a lethal arrow, and if I have to say one thing negative about Troy Fowler is that he is a marketing genius for his "flapper" and "adult arrow" terminology. It's sells lots of arrows and test kits, but I do believe he is right about sharpness of a broadhead 100%. You rarely hear him talk about the diameter of the collar to the shaft ratio and about arrow durability which are two things higher on Ed Ashby's list of arrow lethality concerns.
@Ratt-ln3mk4 күн бұрын
Just an FYI death by bunji has to trin down his burt coyote nock to fit, also seen where someone suggested using dental floss ( long ways) with nock if they are slightly loose, my issue is the inside diameter, some companys give Mm example if my bolt says 0.306 (i/d) but listing says 7.62 (0.300) then what the heck is 0.306 ???
@ApexPredatorOutdoors4 күн бұрын
All of these things have slight variances in tolerances, creating a snug fit on some and a loose fit on others. I prefer too tight if it's gonna be one of the two!
@prestonlarson62024 күн бұрын
Just turn on true north like the website says
@ApexPredatorOutdoors4 күн бұрын
Yeah that helps, but I like navigating with the compass, but ill have to try both!
@jgsnipe15 күн бұрын
None of it matters if you can’t hit your target. I care way more about where I’m putting that arrow rather than weight. I think most of the data points are used as scapegoats for poor shots. Let’s just take a medium range shot like 35 yards. 70lbs 370-500 grains if you put that arrow in the crease it’s going to blow through it. And the conversation on penetration should probably be focused around the thing that slows your arrow down more than anything else and that’s the broadhead when it hits the animal.
@ApexPredatorOutdoors4 күн бұрын
100%
@jonathangagnon62615 күн бұрын
It’s nice to hear someone talking about the benefits or a middle ground arrow. And the fact that broadheads matter more than arrow weight. Why does everyone forget that arrow diameter matters a ton too? Elk shape and day six gear have talked about the advantages they provide but I’ve never heard anyone else. Ranch fairy likes to say archery targets are designed to stop arrows so they can’t be used to test penetration. But then I ask why do my 4mm arrows penetrate and extra 4-5” further than my old standard diameter arrows even tho my old arrows weight about 40grs more.
@ApexPredatorOutdoors5 күн бұрын
Exactly my point. You don't have to get crazy with it. If I am blowing through bone and going another 10 yards and the arrow sticking in the dirt 6" I can give up some weight to get a flatter shooting arrow and reach longer distances. Went from 580 to 470 and am still breaking bones and getting full penetration because I use good broadheads! I like micro diameter arrows too, been playing with the idea of going to a thicker arrow just to get a lighter build (thinner walls) but then I remember that this is working so good there is no reason to change right now! Want to try some heavier broadheads, so I might still give that a go next year!
@matthunter16676 күн бұрын
This doesn't even need to be that big a deal with a compound !!! If your bow is shooting 230-300fps then you should be able to blow through alot of game with zero issues using a 400+ grain arrow... This heavy vs light arrow makes way more sense when your shooting a recurve or longbow and your lucky to hit 160fps. Thats where its been proven time and time again that a heavy arrow reins Supreme, hands down !!! This argument in the compound world is comical because your bows are so technologically advanced that a lighter arrow works just fine with all that speed !!! This isn't rocket science.... Holy cow !!!
@ApexPredatorOutdoors5 күн бұрын
I know it's definitely overblown. I always say that if it works for you do it. If it keeps dropping animals keep it up! But if you're making good shots and not getting penetration it may not be the weight of the arrow but rather the broadhead that is on the tip!
@LancePostma-ry9mc6 күн бұрын
Finding Backcountry Podcast - Jeremy Duggar did the data collection on effectiveness of a hunting arrow... give it a listen. As an industry guy who has hunted primarily elk and mule deer in the west, with a variety of other animals, there's a reason bow companies rate their bows the way they do. It is about efficiency of energy delivery, and accuracy. Don't buy into the hype, find the arrow that flies the best out of your bow and use it. Accuracy kills faster than having a safety net of an overweight arrow.
@ApexPredatorOutdoors5 күн бұрын
Absolutely. Weight matters 0% if you can't shoot straight! Great skill and great broadheads are better than focusing solely on weight.
@TronimusPrime6 күн бұрын
Ranch Fauci says trust the science! Take your high FOC vaccine!
@ApexPredatorOutdoors5 күн бұрын
Hahaha 🤣 That's funny! I do like some of his takes such as his ideas on broadhead sharpness. It does make a difference.
@reidzr2s106 күн бұрын
I shoot a 675 grain arrow at 70 pounds, I don’t see where I have given up any accuracy whatsoever. There is no huge rainbow in my arrow flight like you guys claim. Don’t knock the heavy arrow until you try it. As far as my experience with heavy arrows I have not given up anything. Since switching to a heavy arrow I have not lost an animal.
@ApexPredatorOutdoors6 күн бұрын
As I said in the video, if it's working keep it up! I did light first, then heavy, and now I'm at mid weight and I like it better. 470 grains is a sweet spot for my bow. Noticably flatter shooting noticably faster to the target, haven't lost an animal, still breaking bone. If you have a good broadhead just about anything Wil do, if your broadhead sucks it can be as heavy as a brick and still not penetrate! Lol The main point of the video is to point out those that criticize people for not using a heavy enough arrow, or using too heavy of an arrow. TOF is real and animals move, but now at 470 gr I feel like I can safely and lethal shoot out to further distance and make up for any errors in judging distance by me. Gap shooting or dialing a single pin out to yardage is way easier with a mid weight arrow, and still as lethal... ...with the right broadhead!
@Bamamike2236 күн бұрын
I think you definitely have a common sense approach. However i will say this discussion needs to go on. This very discussion has helped me find my perfect happy medium at 510 grains at 64 lbs. Itw will help a lot more as well.
@ApexPredatorOutdoors6 күн бұрын
Nice! Thanks man. I think the discussion needs to be broadened. Let's stop focusing on just arrow weight as a terminal factor and realize that we should be building good arrows from tip to nock and then thinking about the weight! afterwards.
@henrybright85316 күн бұрын
This debate is never ending. Most people hunt whitetail deer. You do not need a 600 gr arrow to kill a white tail, hopefully we can all agree on that. If you’re hunting pigs or going to Africa, maybe consider some of the Dr Ashby stuff.
@ApexPredatorOutdoors6 күн бұрын
Exactly. Build a theoretical quality arrow with quality components first then worry about how much the arrow weighs after the design is finished.
@voxpopuli9056 күн бұрын
Ok…cuz someone’s surely gonna ask. I went round n round with elk shape too on this. And turns out his own arrow was 20-30 grains different than mine 😂lol and his argument was that we don’t need a 700grsin arrow. Nobody ever said that. The guy was making a point with 700 My white tail setup is a 250 spine with a 100grain stainless insert and a 125 grain broad head. Preferably solid piece of steel like Montec. Or the Ozcut. I have a single bevel also that I trust the most, because it’s a bone breaker. My over all weight of the whole arrow is 540 grains, and that is not extreme. With a single bevel and 75 lb bow, a good shooting arrow that is tuned, a bow that is tuned , that arrow has no problem being accurate or getting to the target fast enough, and it will blow through anything even if the deer jumps and tries to avoid me. It’s already been established too. I broke off the humerus and still had enough momentum to slice the heart and burry my arrow 9 inches in the dirt behind him. And that was shooting at a moving buck at a steep angle and I had half a second to decide too. I think if I had a twizzler arrow, he woulda ran off with my arrow stuck in him, and no vitals cut. And I wouldn’t have this 9point on my wall today. Cuz I’ve experienced that as well in previous seasons with a twizzler arrow and a stupid mechanical broadhead
@ApexPredatorOutdoors5 күн бұрын
Yeah I don't think 540 is super heavy, I used to shoot 580... I think 600 is the bottom end of the heavy side. I have been just as bone breakingly lethal with 470 as I was 580, and it gets there faster and is way flatter shooting. But as I always say if "it will keel" keep it up!
@geoffmcdaniel70826 күн бұрын
I lean towards the heavy side at close to 500gr on a 65lb draw. You mention accuracy quite a bit and yes I agree that is important but I would rank arrow flight as the most important item when it comes to shooting a bow. If your arrow is coming out of the bow sideways its doesn't matter if it is coming out at 250 ft/sec or 350 ft/sec it is not going to work. But overall I agree there is a sweet spot in the middle and when watching the Ranch Fairy's videos he really emphasizes that finding that sweet spot is so important which is why he teamed with Sirius with his tests kits so you can figure out what that is. Cheers and happy hunting!
@voxpopuli9056 күн бұрын
Just because ppl are having a discussion about something and sticking to the subject…don’t mean they don’t have an understanding about everything else. You made a whole video based on an assumption and you gave opinions on arrow performance and efficiency while ignoring the fact that old studies exist and newer studies are being conducted now. Science is ongoing. Nobody is spending way too much time on arrow weight. All those ppl are spending time on everything that’s essential. And you have no justification to suggest otherwise
@ApexPredatorOutdoors5 күн бұрын
If you visit a comments section watch videos online from other creators, or (dear God) reddit... There is a lot of people that think that it's heavy or you're being unethical. It's just not true. I don't want to end the discussion of arrow weight, just the senseless bickering over who is right. The point of the video is to show that if you go extreme on either side (350 on the light, 700+ on the heavy) you are giving something up. Focusing on your shot and the broadhead first will make most arrows lethal. The comments on this video are a good read and good discussion and I'm here for it!
@voxpopuli9053 күн бұрын
@@ApexPredatorOutdoors what I’m saying is, ppl who are trying to figure out arrow weight have already worked out all the other stuff too. Maybe there’s someone out there who’s forgetting other fundamentals. But I believe those numbers are very low, almost insignificant. I believe the ppl who are going down the rabbit holes of heavy vs light are ppl who very much into archery and I think they, like myself will leave no stone unturned. I think these discussions are valid and they’re gonna get us all shooting better and become more affective hunters. I recently saw that Ranch Fairy and MFJJ made a video together. And the guys at hunting public also started collaborating with him, and they went through the whole process of covering all angles. From the bow, the tuning, your technique, the arrow, the broad head. I was always excited to see them doing work together
@voxpopuli9056 күн бұрын
Just because ppl are having a discussion about something and sticking to the subject…don’t mean they don’t have an understanding about everything else. You made a whole video based on an assumption and you gave opinions on arrow performance and efficiency while ignoring the fact that old studies exist and newer studies are being conducted now. Science is ongoing. Nobody is spending way too much time on arrow weight. All those ppl are spending time on everything that’s essential. And you have no justification to suggest otherwise
@ApexPredatorOutdoors6 күн бұрын
I talk to people that shoot regularly, interact with them on my video comments, and see what people post about on forums and videos. The whole point of the video was that there are a lot of factors for building good arrows, and weight is only one of them. People tell me that 450 grains is not a heavy enough arrow and I need to go heavier if I am "Ever going to break bone". When I was shooting nearly 600 grains people told me they were too heavy and at TAC several people we gawking at my heavy arrows saying that they took too long to get to the target. Now at 470 grains I have the best of both worlds. I have broken deer shoulders and blasted through another 10 yards... The old studies are just that, old. All of Ashby's studies were done with older recurve bows, and a lot has changed. Can't wait to see the new studies though as I always adapt as new info is released, but I don't just take studies at face value... You have to read them all
@marshallhogue72517 күн бұрын
“Freedom isn’t Free you have to stand up for it” . What about this situation is standing up for/earning freedom? Is it a comparison to serving overseas somehow?
@ApexPredatorOutdoors5 күн бұрын
Nothing of the sort. Freedom of speech isn't free, if you don't stand up and defend your right to speak or fight against those that try to silence you, in effect that right doesn't exist, or rather is not applied.
@marshallhogue72517 күн бұрын
They didn’t sue you if they sent you that.
@ApexPredatorOutdoors6 күн бұрын
They threatened lawsuit, and I was sued by them for something different. This cease and Desist is basically the precursor to a lawsuit. Functionally it works similar. They asked for all sorts of discovery and wanted all of my sales records and tried to force me to remove my videos. I refused all of that and said I'll just stop selling them even though our products are different. Another situation where it doesn't make sense to hire a lawyer to defend a few hundred dollars in sales.
@km67317 күн бұрын
shooting a 150 grain arrow with a 300 grain head and 240 spine. lets go!
@ApexPredatorOutdoors7 күн бұрын
Wow. Beautiful build! Must be a light GPI arrow!
@km67317 күн бұрын
if you have at least 450 ill respect you as a plan b archer hunter as long as your not shooting mechs. Mechs fuck everything up when animal reacts and the trajectory to open normally becomes screwed.
@ApexPredatorOutdoors7 күн бұрын
I agree. I know of guys that have shot sevrs with great success, and I own a couple too,, but for me a well tuned single bevel will always out kill a well tuned mechanical.
@slimjimmy2297 күн бұрын
I feel your hunting style and terrain has more influence on arrow weight than many would like to admit. I exclusively hunt thick, topographicaly challenging terrain here in the shadows of the Appalachian mountains. If I would make an educated guess, I'd say 97%-98% of my shots are inside of 25 yards, with the majority being under 20 yards. A 500-550 grain arrow with an FOC north of 17% fits that bill perfectly. I have more than enough momentum to pass through a large whitetail from any angle and shatter shoulder bone on a quartering to shot. On the flip side, if I were to hunt the eastern side of my state, where there are a lot of ag fields, a 450ish grain arrow would be better suited for the longer shot opportunities. In the end, the most important thing is to know the limitations of, and have confidence in your equipment. Put a 350gr arrow with a sharp broadhead through the ribcage of a broadside buck, and he'll be just as dead as the one you put a 600gr arrow through with the same shot. The biggest difference for me is the fact that most of my animals are quartering one way or the other. I have small windows that I can shoot through, so a heavier arrow provides me with more shot opportunities over having to wait for the perfect shot angle.
@ApexPredatorOutdoors7 күн бұрын
That's 100% it. Adjusting the weight based on the other factors, not setting a weight and having to make everything else work around that. I think 500 grains is still a higher mid-weight arrow as well.
@justinlloyd93427 күн бұрын
I’m shooting 400 grains in a 55lb bow. I don’t know or care if it’s heavy or light just as long as it fills my freezer 😁
@ApexPredatorOutdoors7 күн бұрын
Taint broke don't fix it!!
@user-br6zd3bv6i8 күн бұрын
I switched to heavy arrow set up I’ve also use single bevel razor sharp heads, with a well tuned set up knock tuned, insert tuned arrows, tuned bow makes all the difference !!! I’m only shooting 65 lbs took a deer at 45 yards last season I believe my set up arrow weight around 640 250 spine with three hundred grains up front… That’s what I run may not work for everyone but I’m glad I switched and Troy Fowler has helped me a bunch…
@ApexPredatorOutdoors8 күн бұрын
I like Troy, he has some great informational stuff with his necropsies he does. I was up at 580 grains until I missed a pig by about 2 yards by misjudging yardage with my rangefinder. I'm at 470 now and haven't had any issues and the arrows shoot way flatter, especially out of my 80 lb bow. Still using a sharp single bevel broadhead, The Aero One by crafted archery. Going to try a new head this year though so stay tuned for my elk hunt in September!
@user-br6zd3bv6i8 күн бұрын
@@ApexPredatorOutdoors good luck grizzly stick masai 200 grain , but I will say that magnus has come out with a 150 grain that is identical in cosmetics and lot cheaper I’ve killed deer with lots of set ups but if I make a bad shot the heavy arrow seems to be like a plan b cause plan a didn’t work lol if that makes sense I’ve lost more deer with dang rage heads than I care to talk about… keep slinging and wacking and stacking
@ApexPredatorOutdoors8 күн бұрын
@user-br6zd3bv6i hell yeah brother
@voxpopuli9056 күн бұрын
@@ApexPredatorOutdoorsyou just said you misjudged. If my truck starts blowing smoke out the tail pipe…my response is not to change the tires. Why not practice judging yardages and walking it back, taking guess shots. I take it you didn’t see that ranch fairy video either. LoL Cuz as far as I can see, the guy is presenting some pretty significant stuff. And the only way to come up with any arguments for him is to not watch all his footage. He’s got an answer for everything. And I think the guy is the smartest one in the room wherever he goes
@ApexPredatorOutdoors6 күн бұрын
@voxpopuli905 Lol 😂 Great assumptions! I do watch all of his videos! Just because he shows something doesn't mean that he is always 100% correct. You seem to worship him a bit much. John Dudley (although he was a bit of a dick in their podcast) had a lot of criticism for the ranch fairy and most of it was well founded. As far as misjudging the shot it is something I have worked on, but with a mid-weight arrow, being human, if I make a mistake by a yard or two I'm not going to miss but by a 1/4 inch or 1/2 vs with a really heavy arrow that same miss might be 1-3 inches or more. In this case I was using a rangefinder and it's possible that I caught some brush or something. Errors happen in humans believe it or not, so I want my gear to be able to compensate as much as possible without losing lethality and I feel like I have that more now than ever with light or heavy arrows.
@milkrvr40888 күн бұрын
I just shoot for 278-289 fps whatever weight that come out to is fine your sight tape really drops off if you go below 280’s I’m at about 480 grains I have outserts and 125 grain broadheads also accuracy is not in your arrows I was in a league and we shot a round I used range arrows not tuned to my bow not the same length or weights and at 20 yards I shot a 286 which is great same score as my normal arrows at distance it definitely matters but not as much as we think it does get your spine right and fire away
@milkrvr40888 күн бұрын
Also I can shoot out to 100 yards with this setup my broadheads are so sharp they go through my block brand new kudu points go about 6-7” in I shot a deer at 86 - 87 yards and it blew straight through never found the arrow sadly but the deer was toast double lung 🫁 I know I have plenty of penetration for anything in North America with this setup
@ApexPredatorOutdoors8 күн бұрын
Totally. That's about the same weight as me and they flight straight, fly flat, and break 🦴!
@ApexPredatorOutdoors8 күн бұрын
Right now I'm at 470 ish, shooting 290 fps or so
@benzy28 күн бұрын
It’s all personal choice. Up close, the difference in KE between a light and heavy arrow is next to nothing with modern bows. Trajectory and flight time are also next to nothing between the two up close. At distance, KE is higher on the heavy arrow and trajectory is worse. You have to be very good at distance calls with a heavy arrow and you have to be very good at accuracy and shot selection with a light arrow. If you make a mistake with either, it’s a bad day. Both sides take similar skill levels but of slightly different things. Anyone who pretends one arrow or the other fixes all your problems isn’t being objective or they are trying to sell you something.
@ApexPredatorOutdoors8 күн бұрын
Absolutely. That's why I build the arrow based around the broadhead I want to use and go from there. In a micro diameter arrow it's almost impossible to build anything under 450 grains for my 80lb bow. I'm at 475 and the arrows tuned and shoot like a dream. Best I could hope for.
@kenszewc29818 күн бұрын
Taken a bunch of elk with ~440 grain arrows. I now shoot a heavier arrow with most up front and have been very happy with the switch. This is due to seeing arrow deflections going through the ribs (I only shoot fixed head high quality heads). I believe that with most or nearly half of the weight being in the arrow, it contributes more to the deflections. Think of it this way, if I throw a rock with a string attached, it has no affect when the rock hits the target, if it is a stick it will contribute more. I want the broadhead to help pull the arrow into the target. As for increased trajectory with increased weight, well it is archery and it by default takes more skill in both hunting and shooting. If you want flat trajectory there is always rifle season. But I say to each there own, I just like being out there and I wish everybody luck in their pursuit.
@ApexPredatorOutdoors8 күн бұрын
100%. There are a lot of factors including The impact paradox, and what materials the arrow are made of etc. a 1k or 3k woven carbon arrow will potentially have less issues with impact paradox or flexion after impact vs. a straight carbon shaft, but as I always say if it's working run with it. If it fails, figure out why! Thanks man, and I hope your arrows fly true!
@gordyduggan4038 күн бұрын
We need to think about and talk more about SHARP broad heads and less about arrow weight , it’s the broad head that kills the animal not the arrow, there’s are many non ethical broad heads on the market that should not be used . Razor sharp steel broad head blades I think are the most lethal ones on the market ,, they don’t get sharp in the air or entering an animal !
@ApexPredatorOutdoors8 күн бұрын
Exactly! Blunt force from an arrow won't kill. Needs to slice into and through like butter, and needs to stay in one piece when it hits bone
@trophyhilll8 күн бұрын
I’ve killed a pile of elk with 390 gr arrows at over 300 fps. Don’t plan on changing anything anytime soon. If it ain’t broke, I ain’t fixin it…….
@ApexPredatorOutdoors8 күн бұрын
100% man!
@blakeumthun81288 күн бұрын
As a midwest hunter going after jumpy animals, I have and always will be middle of the road. 490-540 gr w/ high FOC tends to be my go-to whether it's compound or traditional. That's what gives me the trajectory I like. I will say, the broadhead has always been the limiting factor. I refuse to shoot mechanical or anything with a chisel tip anymore. Cut on contact (preferably single-bevel) w/ a good mechanical advantage (2/1 or better) and scalpel sharp.
@ApexPredatorOutdoors8 күн бұрын
100%. I agree too what is a definition of a mid weight arrow. If you shoot light arrows exclusively then 500 grains seems heavy 🪨, if you shoot heavy rebar arrows, 450 seems light. But in the middle range to me is from 450-550gr. Nothing can fix a dull broadhead. I can shoot a 700 grain arrow 350 fps, or a 350gr 400 fps, but if I have a small game head on there it's not gonna kill a large animal. We just have to make it make sense, and what is never debatable is the need for a sharp broadhead! Happy hunting brother
@kenszewc29818 күн бұрын
This is very similar to what they went through. They were being prosecuted for something they feel they were not guilty. The government does this all the time and are relentless (farmers in SD were raided at gunpoint recently over a fence line dispute). You were sued for something that you feel had no basis. This used to be just the rich California way, but it is becoming more and more common. Unfortunately, you can sue anybody for anything and if the person being sued does not have any money to fight it, they have to settle.
@ApexPredatorOutdoors8 күн бұрын
Yeah, it really sucks, the big difference is those I have the constitution on my side as far as the first amendment and my free speech goes, whereas the state of Nebraska had evidence that they hunted and killed turkey without a license and illegally hunted deer in the state. It just sucks that people can use lawfare to silence people that have a dissenting opinion against them. Recently, I’ve talked to a bunch of people in the industry that are being served cease and desist letters after reviewing their beast broadheads. Overall, if they stopped and apologized, I would have no problem, but they just keep ramping up their attacks on anyone and everyone that speaks out.
@kenszewc29818 күн бұрын
@@ApexPredatorOutdoors Not just Bowmars that are doing that. There are quite a few companies suing for honest reviews of products. Mostly when they sponsor the video, but there are a few cases where a product was purchased and reviewed independently. Very bad business practice in my opinion. Hopefully they all get what they deserve.
@ApexPredatorOutdoors8 күн бұрын
@kenszewc2981 Agreed. If someone reaches out to me to do a product review I let them know first off that it will be 100% honest, no fluff and ask them if they want to continue.
@marshallhogue72517 күн бұрын
@@kenszewc2981no they aren’t
@marshallhogue72517 күн бұрын
Why did it hurt your faith in the legal system, you didn’t fight it? Doesn’t have to do with free speech.
@davidrieck38748 күн бұрын
I bought your carbon hybrid 8 degree grip. Very well made grip highly recommend anyone interested in a grip to replace engage grip. Is there a different feel between the carbon hybrid and the just polymer grip?
@ApexPredatorOutdoors8 күн бұрын
Thanks my man! The carbon definitely has more texture to the material itself. The others basically are smooth, but just have the grip in the stippling. I did start using a more matte material which simulates the feel of the carbon in the polymer but isn't quite the same. With the carbon you can feel it in your fingers when you touch it!
@davidrieck38748 күн бұрын
Definitely will be ordering the 5 degree grip as well
@ApexPredatorOutdoors8 күн бұрын
@davidrieck3874 Amazing man! Thanks again for the support
@driftlesshunter920010 күн бұрын
Personally, I could care less about arrow weight. I couldn't tell you what my arrows weigh, & I don't really care what they weigh. I simply buy quality arrows that are spined correctly for my set up. I have brass inserts installed to add a little extra FOC. For me I prefer Victory arrows, because they come spine aligned from the factory. I buy their Elites (.001 straightness) in the standard size shafts. I have them cut to the proper length & have the brass inserts installed. I prefer two holes (penetration) over a wide cut. I think the most important factor for this is the blade angle. Most 2-blade mechanicals have terrible blade angles for penetration. Keep in mind, a tiny Slick Trick Standard (1" 4-blade) has the same total cut (1" + 1" = 2") as that 2" mechanical. 2" mechanicals must swing those blades way out there to get that cut, and they usually require a long ferrule to house those blades in flight. Compare the ferrule length of a Swhacker to a QAD Exodus. An Exodus ferrule is no longer than a field point. A 2-blade single-beveled fix blade is going to be hard to beat for penetration, but I prefer a 3 or 4 blade cut. Slick Trick Magnum, Standard, & Xbox use the exact same ferrules. 1" Standard & 1 1/8" Magnum/Xbow blades are interchangeable. As I have become a worn out old geezer, (dropped to 60 pounds) I shoot the Slick Trick Viper Tricks. Why? Better blade angle = better penetration. My last buck took five jumps & piled over dead 35 yards from my stand. I sharpen the broadhead that goes on my rest weekly during the season. The arrow weight argument seems silly to me. Shoot a quality arrow with a good broadhead for your particular set up.
@cameronodell412210 күн бұрын
Arrow mass and broadhead choice does not matter until you hit something hard. Time to target I think has been proven to be negligible.. trajectory is a definite concern once you get past 50yds or so. My concern with the heavy arrow thing is, we are preaching a 650gr bone break threshold when a longbow was being used mostly for testing. If you look up the stats on the equipment used at the time and build an arrow that matches those numbers. For instance my bow IBO’s at 320fps with 70lbs and 30.5in DL and with Dr.Ashby shooting 650gr out of a longbow I hit his momentum number at about 526gr. And blow his KE out of the water, with probably close to 100fps faster. I’m not sure if any of that is comparable, but it is interesting.
@ApexPredatorOutdoors10 күн бұрын
There are some interesting things to gleam from the Ashby reports, but some of it doesn't apply to modern bows. Nothing can replace a good accurate shot.
@justinl827910 күн бұрын
I hate hearing the argument about heavy at distance. 99% of people can not shoot accurately to 40. Bowhunting is about seeing how close you can get not how far. I spend a lot of time at the range and most guys I see shouldn’t shoot an animal past 30. I shoot 560 grains out to 80 with no problem but my limit on deer is 30 and in. That has been my limit for 24 year, to much can happen past that.
@ApexPredatorOutdoors10 күн бұрын
Remember there is more out there than deer. 70 yards on an elk or moose or is not crazy. They don’t move as much on the shot, (but that doesn’t mean they don’t move at all) And their vitals are massive compared to a whitetail. I used to shoot 580 but dropped to 470 and have grained lots of accuracy and speed down range and haven’t lost anything. But will my 80 lb bow I won’t go much or any lighter than that. I think healthy limits are good though. Knowing where you are accurate and lethal to is important.
@longfalllureoutdoors73218 күн бұрын
@@justinl8279 too many people just fling arrows, take poor shot choices with less than ideal setups…in areas with heavy hunting pressure it is becoming more rare to harvest an animal without some sort of past wound from poorly placed/ rushed shots.
@ApexPredatorOutdoors8 күн бұрын
@longfalllureoutdoors7321 Yeah we all need to work on accuracy first. I see a lot of guys also try to make up for lack of skill with buying super high end equipment. Yeah you have a $2k dollar bow but you don't know how to shoot it well. Focus on that first!
@jonkuieck80687 күн бұрын
The number 1 thing we as bow hunters need to work on is discipline.
@ApexPredatorOutdoors7 күн бұрын
@jonkuieck8068 Agreed. There is a lot to knowing when to take the shot and when you need to get closer, making sure you're practicing and making sure your equipment is DIALED in!
@JohnCGlo11 күн бұрын
Will simply holding the Garmin/OnX away from the magnets fix this issue or does it still interfere with the mapping/compass when held at an arm’s length away?
@ApexPredatorOutdoors11 күн бұрын
With my phone I found that When it was brought near the magnet it had to be recalibrated every time, with my Garmin the compass worked fine when it was 10" away
@jasonnester951411 күн бұрын
Why didn’t u just sand blast it ?
@ApexPredatorOutdoors11 күн бұрын
I could have but I didn't have a good sandblaster at the time, ended up not needing it. I had the bow another 2 years, and it held up perfectly
@jasonnester951411 күн бұрын
@@ApexPredatorOutdoors excellent
@NimrodArchery11 күн бұрын
I agree with a lot of this video. MFJJ opinion about light arrows kills me about faster to the animal because crossbow hunters with 400fps bolts still miss and animals duck even that 😅
@ApexPredatorOutdoors11 күн бұрын
Thanks for watching! Yeah it depends on what you are hunting, right? Like an elk may not move at all till it gets smacked with an arrow, but Pronghorn and Whitetail will matrix that shit. 😂 That being said if the animal can move that fast, a faster arrow will reduce the amount of drop that can happen in that amount of time, not by much though
@LeiMar-4ever11 күн бұрын
Well, it works ok for me. But I don’t think it’s going to help my wife any. Everything wants to eat her… can’t say I blame them tho.
@ApexPredatorOutdoors11 күн бұрын
Haha! Yeah usually they follow me like a buzzard to a carcass.
@LeiMar-4ever11 күн бұрын
@@ApexPredatorOutdoors She gets bit just laying in bed asleep. I call her sweet meat. I’ve never seen nothing like it. She generally stays home until first frost.
@jasonard722711 күн бұрын
my wife shoots 40 pounds 25 inches with 585 grain arrows iron will single bevel shoots 25 and under blows through deer no issues she was shooting 350 grains and has lost several deer when hitting any bone so no way someone can tell me light arrows work as good cause they dont. I shoot 550 grains 29 inches 80 pounds 287 fps blows through whatever it hits. there is no such thing as a heavy arrow being less accurate your not giving up anything with accuracy thats bullcrap its called being sighted in wth so if you shoot a more heavy arrow your giving up accuracy?? no your not you may give up range but not accuracy just cause the animal moves does not mean you where not accurate. the only thing a flatter shooting arrow does is let you be lazy and not range the target if it moves or if you guess wrong well we owe it the the animal to be as perfect as we can so range the target if it moves and your not sure. its simple you just have to make up your mind to be ethical. its a free country so shoot what ya want but dont tell me light works as good as a heavy or that heavy is less accurate. if you sight your rifle in with 150 grain pills then toss 180 grain pills in the rifle is not less accurate its just not sighted in for the 180 grains if all other things are equal. one more thing it dont matter if you do everything right are the best shot shoot 500 arrows a day. once you loose that arrow its out of your hands and animals move so your everything right perfect shot just turned into a crap shot so its nice to have that extra to still get the job done..this is just my 2 pennies hope everyone fills there tags and is safe doing it no matter what they shoot good luck and God Bless
@ApexPredatorOutdoors11 күн бұрын
Like said a million times, It's about balance. They're always anecdotal evidence "I did this and that and it always works", but there is always someone that will say they did the same thing and had failures. You are less accurate with heavy arrows at longer ranges, because you are either shooting a larger pin gap, or have to be very yard to yard accurate with a slider sight, as all of your accuracy issues will be magnified downrange. I mis-ranged a hog once by three or four yards (hard to range them in this swampy tree and brush filled area) and missed under by two inches with a heavy arrow. With a faster arrow build you can be off slightly and hit closer to your aiming point. I guess a better way to say it is that WE are less accurate with heavy arrows at long ranges. There is also no arguing that shooting a heavy arrow does decrease your range because animals move. So if you shot that same distance with a lighter arrow you would experience less movement from the animal. The whole point of this video is just that though. There is NOT one answer. With a 700 grain arrow hunting something fast like Pronghorn would be infinitely harder. By the time the arrow got there, a brisket aim would be a gut shot. There is no need for a heavy arrow on an animal like that. Similarly I wouldn't use a 350 grain arrow (lol I can't even build one with an 80 lb bow without being underspined) to shoot a heavy wild hog here in Texas. It's all about the right tool for the job, and I have never known or heard of anyone to NOT kill their target animal with a 450 grain arrow (that includes short draw low poundage people) because the arrow was too light. Bad shooting, Dull broadheads, broken broadheads, broken arrows, yes for sure. The broadhead is much more important and much easier to dial in IMHO. Thanks for joining the conversation! I really do enjoy hearing everyone's take on all of this! Happy hunting brother!
@Basin.hunter11 күн бұрын
A broad head that stays sharp is really overlooked. The reason a lot of mechanicals and cheap broad heads don’t penetrate well is because halfway through the animal they stop cutting and no arrow has enough energy to forced a blunt 2” wide object through an animal. The shaper something is the less force it takes to cut thus if you have a sharp enough broadhead on a 400gr arrow it will out penetrate a 650gr arrow with a very dull broadhead.
@ApexPredatorOutdoors11 күн бұрын
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@jwild536011 күн бұрын
You want to end the debate by starting a whole video on it and dropping the most basic knowledge possible? Lol you’re fueling the fire
@ApexPredatorOutdoors11 күн бұрын
Lol! I'm not trying to say one is right and one is wrong, I'm saying there is way more to the equation than "How much does your arrow weigh?" And people need to think about that "basic information" before they sacrifice accuracy and lethality for arrow weight.
@jwild536011 күн бұрын
@@ApexPredatorOutdoors I would say just about anyone hunting knows all this info. This is 2nd grade science at best. But then again a quick scroll through an archery forum and you can be pretty mind blown by the stupidity There’s so many factors in killing an animal none of it can be proven in a killing scenario. We can say this is best that is best all we want but we truly have no way of testing these things for a true comparison as 2 situations in the wild are never the same. This has turned into the fixed vs mechanical debate. There’s no right answer and it can’t be proven.
@ApexPredatorOutdoors11 күн бұрын
@jwild5360 Exactly. There's so many variables Trying to focus on just one of them like it's the one thing that kills animals is just ignorant. Same thing here in the forums and comments all I hear people say is that oh if that was a heavy arrow it would have killed it, or if your arrow wasn't so heavy it would have made it more accurately to the animal, and while both things could be potentially true there's no way to prove that, so if you make a very balanced Set up with a sharp broadhead, all the rest of the stuff matters way less. So that's something we should all be focusing on nobody's going to argue that a dull broadhead is better than a sharp one, or at least they shouldn't!
@jwild536011 күн бұрын
@@ApexPredatorOutdoors yea one would think it’s all common sense. It should be anyway.
@ApexPredatorOutdoors11 күн бұрын
@jwild5360 Yep. Should be, but isn't. That's why I made this, tired of my feed filled with "Adult arrows" and "Adult arrows suck". 😂
@lukedecker972511 күн бұрын
420- 450 perfect arrow
@ApexPredatorOutdoors11 күн бұрын
I really think so. It's a great combo between speed and momentum. And it's fairly easy to build.
@TheNewBowunter11 күн бұрын
Shooting 68bs with 370g arrows…buzzing at 308fps…shoots thru deer like butter.
@voxpopuli9056 күн бұрын
Until the day it doesn’t. Y’all seem to forget the deer also get a vote. They tuck they roll , they always react and I do t care how fast your bow is….by the time your arrow hits…. It’s hitting a moving target. The deer jump. Almost every single time. I’ve seen them completely still too. Maybe the wind is masking your presence. You have absolutely zero control over what happens after you let it loose. After that, it’s out of your hands. If the deer responds to the sound of the arrow he’s gonna jump, he’s gonna duck, he’s gonna do something that involves he’s moving. And if he turns and your light twizzler arrow hits something solid like a bone….i think we all know what happens next. So you’re operating on luck
@ApexPredatorOutdoors6 күн бұрын
@voxpopuli905 You just made a great argument for a mid-weight arrow. It's gonna get there faster and can still break bone! It suffers less from both sides of the equation. By mid-weight I am saying 440-500
@jgsnipe15 күн бұрын
@@voxpopuli905 even at 370gr you’re able to punch through ribs very easily. Even the onside scapula. What matters way more (in my opinion) is broadhead choice a good fixed blade will pass through a scapula much easier.
@voxpopuli9055 күн бұрын
@@jgsnipe1 it all matters.
@voxpopuli9055 күн бұрын
@@jgsnipe1 but when the unexpected happens…shit you have no control over…the only thing that will get you through it is being prepared. 370 grains is a target set up. Maybe you get lucky a few times but eventually it’s gonna cost you the biggest goddamn buck you ever seen. So why play stupid games 🤷🏻♂️ would you go hunting with a 22lr or a 308? Ok then. Why is everyone trying to resist pure basic common sense logic science and physics when it comes to arrows? This stuff shouldn’t even be up for debate.