Thank you for the video and your experimenting! This was nice to watch as a follow up to L.H. & S.R.'s "Filter 3.0". Thanks again!!
@LanceHedrick Жыл бұрын
This is great!
@randydunn Жыл бұрын
I am new to Decent Espresso. I want this profile. Do I have to create it from scratch? I looked in the presets and I don’t see it listed.thanks…
@randydunn Жыл бұрын
Thanks Damian!
@tddtv2 жыл бұрын
I thought the grounds are supposed to go into a pour over basket not into this basket and that this basket only showers water through it only
@tddtv2 жыл бұрын
How course is your grind?
@rjejames282 жыл бұрын
I laughed at the not wanting to spend tons of cash for incremental gains, I'm thinking dude you have a decent. If that were true you would have a gaggia classic or breville. Lol 🤣
@DamianSheesh2 жыл бұрын
When I got the Decent, it cost me about $2300? I don't consider a machine that can do precise flow, pressure and temp profiling to fall under the diminishing returns/incremental gains bucket. It's an endgame machine with near infinite adjustability and feedback. There are cheaper machines with way less capability, and there are WAY more expensive machines - also with way less capability. IMO, there is no greater value for money if you are into espresso - than a Decent. In comparison to the Slayers, GS3s, even Rocket R60s, etc, it is underpriced given its capabilities.
@rjejames282 жыл бұрын
@@DamianSheesh All good just giving you a hard time, looks like my dream machine. I'm learning on a gaggia classic now, I'm already improving weekly.
@planetfabulous58332 жыл бұрын
No one pronounces Eureka correctly. It's Italian and pronounced differently than what we Americans are used to.
@DamianSheesh2 жыл бұрын
Io sono Italiano. So come dire 'eh-ooo-rehka', e 'seh-teh'. However, I'm an American. We anglicize things. Eureka is a word in English. If I went around pronouncing every word as it exists in other languages, I'd sound ridiculous. Like a news anchor when then encounter a Latino name.
@planetfabulous58332 жыл бұрын
@@DamianSheesh True I thought Eureka was just pronounced the same everywhere until I saw an Italian man (He was GORGEOUS!!!) on YT reviewing the Mignon XL and the way he pronounced Eureka was so cute!! It does sound better his way :)
@MatthewRSimpson2 жыл бұрын
Great video. I had the 270w which broke after only a few months. It was repaired and broke again. They then suggested i went for the 270 (not w, and prior to the wi being released), and the gear box went on this. This was also repaired and has now issues with the micro (larger adjuster ring) moving/vibrating making it useless. I am now in the market for a new one as i have lost heart in the Baratza so looking at the Atom (probably the 65 due to budget).
@Sammiecheeks162 жыл бұрын
What kind of water should I use or does it matter with this machine since there’s no boilers
@DamianSheesh2 жыл бұрын
Water always matters!! It's most of coffee. I personally have an inline filtering system for my tap so I don't have to get spring water or anything. It works well, and I like it. I've experimented with 'making' 3rd wave water by adding minerals to distilled water to create a good profile for espresso and it was too fussy and I don't think it made enough difference for me to do that all the time. Scale is an issue whether machines have boilers or thermoblocks and distilled water doesn't make good coffee. It still needs regular maintenance to stay sparkly. In fact, I just descaled my decent last week with citric acid and hot water and the first flush was pretty green, so it took off a good amount of scale up in its bits. Good to go now for another six months or so!
@AdastraRecordings2 жыл бұрын
I agonized over what grinder to pair with my gaggia classic, I ended up going with the Sette 30 plus the upgraded 270 mechanism which saved a bunch of cash. Your machine is an order of magnitude more expensive than my gaggia which in my mind makes your grinder upgrade very reasonable.
@DamianSheesh2 жыл бұрын
I think the combination you wound up with is the absolute best bang for the buck for great espresso! Enjoy!
@jonnytran44292 жыл бұрын
How much was this DE1+PRO for sale when it was v1.0? Are there any shortcomings of these earlier versions?
@jonnytran44292 жыл бұрын
@@DamianSheesh yes I’ve heard that many people speculate the lower head space for less channeling. My v1.0 with larger headspace still works really well though.
@DamianSheesh2 жыл бұрын
@@jonnytran4429 Same! Especially with a preinfusion soak as well as limiting peak pressure to around 8 bars, I get exceptional shots.
@henry12372 жыл бұрын
Great video! How’s the Atom holding up over the months you have owned it? Any change in your thoughts?
@DamianSheesh2 жыл бұрын
Hey Henry - The Atom is great! It just hums along every day, grounds are consistent and I get great pulls. Interestingly, I visited my company's office for the first time a couple of weeks ago and we have a Baraza Virtuoso. Someone ran it and holy crap, I forgot how loud those grinders can be. So, definitely loving the audible difference as well.
@damon123jones3 жыл бұрын
Damien is the second coolest name ever
@kchingk3 жыл бұрын
your tamper is not perfect so its coming out like a ring.
@martin-ds3hd3 жыл бұрын
Probably it's not good to run the sette empty. There could be an increas in rpm which could lead to overheating. Next time you should buy a single dose grinder.
@DamianSheesh3 жыл бұрын
Lol where do you people come up with this stuff? This is a high-torque DC motor. It would hit its service RPM if I put rocks in the grinder. If anything, the lower load from lack of bean mass would cause a DECREASE in temperature as the plastic parts would be under less stress as they would have far less resistance. Now, with that out of the way - I never used this grinder as a single-doser. I loaded the hopper and used the stop at weight feature that I paid for. I only did it here as a side-by-side comparison.
@scottintexas3 жыл бұрын
I’ve had an Atom for a while now and love it! I don’t switch coffees every day or even every week. I dial in a batch a hopper and I’m good until I refill. This setup is just easiest for 2-4 cups per day for me and my wife. The Atom is close in height to the Decent, so it still works well visually on the counter. The Niche is very tempting though at the price and size. If I didn’t already own the Atom, I’d probably get a Niche.
@DamianSheesh3 жыл бұрын
It's a me problem, but I hate the way the niche looks. My biggest issue though, is that I just am *not* a single dose kinda guy. I can't be bothered. I use the same coffee (Dragonfly crema dolce) daily with a 'guest' roast thrown in the rotation perhaps monthly. If I want to single dose something special, I've got a very nice hand grinder for the occassion. Mostly, I want a great cup of coffee in as short a time as possible every dang morning.
@damon123jones3 жыл бұрын
The cup matters
@steakman3 жыл бұрын
Oooo I want one so bad. But it's sooooo expensive!!!
@acillatem19893 жыл бұрын
Great video Damian. One question if I may; I have a Classika which I use along with a mignon specialita. I've thinking of upgrading it to the Atom 65, or even yours. Do you think it pays an upgrade or not so much improvement in cup can be expected? Thanks.
@wojciechradziusz68153 жыл бұрын
I discovered, that when the coffee beans are already inside the mill and you start grinding, there is a lot of force required to start grinding which is almost moving whole grinder. So i tried switch on the grinder first and then throw the coffee beans inside (you can also lock the hopper first and then unlock it when the grinder is already on). That should, in my opinion, increase the life of the gear box. What do you think about it?
@DamianSheesh3 жыл бұрын
I'm sure it could extend the life somewhat, but whether it is a measurable impact on lifespan, who knows? Certainly load is greater for a split second as the burrs begin moving, but it is hard to tell if this causes slippage on the gear train or what. I think just plastic gears and heat are the enemy. Seeing as the bearing races broke down despite the fact that they should not experience any extra load at any given time is a good indicator. I'd love to know if the new gearboxes have a different design that is less susceptible to this problem.
@supercres3 жыл бұрын
(sorry if this is a double comment, thought I hit send but now I don't see it) I found this video linked on Diaspora after getting interested in what EAF calls "sprover". Your *excellent* idea of a separate forum caught on in another form recently. (Maybe linking it nuked the comment?) Anyway, if you're interested, check out the "decent forum" thread on Diaspora.
@mightymightyironhead3 жыл бұрын
Great video. I actually very nearly got one of these grinders. But i did a little research and noticed this very same problem occurring at around 18 - 24 months for this product. Its apparently a problem that a lot of users have encountered.
@MrMilanina2 жыл бұрын
Which grinder and which problem, please?
@mightymightyironhead2 жыл бұрын
@@MrMilanina The Baratza Sette grinder. In this video he has a few pretty serious issues with his grinder. The issue with the assembly mount moving and messing up your grind size while you are actually grinding is pretty ridiculous. However the biggest problem with this grinder and other Baratza grinders is the plastic around the motor and the burr mount (Sette 30 model) A lot of people have had issues with the plastic totally disintegrating after using for about one year or one and a half years.
@MrMilanina2 жыл бұрын
@@mightymightyironhead Thanks for the clarification. I was concerned you were referring to Ceado as I am in a market for a new espresso grinder and weighing between Ceado E37S and Eureka Atom 75.
@mightymightyironhead2 жыл бұрын
@@MrMilanina no problem you are very welcome. Both the Ceado E37S and Eureka Atom 75 dont have the same plastic parts that the Barazta grinders have, both grinders have metal mounts inside and are extremely well built. I personally like the Ceado E37S, its one of the best grinders on the market, however the Eureka Atom 75 is also excellent and i think that the choice will come down to a couple of very minor things, maybe even a cosmetic choice. The Ceado has 83mm burrs and is 500w, the Atom has 60mm burrs and is 450w. I think that the display on the Atom has a slightly better designed and maybe easier to use than the Ceado. Also the adjustment dial on the Ceado is a little different for some people, but its got the worm gears and this is very precise and does not need to be locked down like some grinders. Both grinders are very consistent, But one thing to be aware of with the Atom is the plastic impeller that sits on the top of the burr mount and spins during grinding to help to feed the beans to the burrs. If you don't have enough beans in the hopper, you can get pop corning. Also i do think that the Atom can have problems with retaining coffee powder and even broken beans inside the grinding chamber, the Ceado does not have this issue. To be honest, when you start to pick faults with such small things, its got to tell you something about the quality of these grinders.
@lorincapson77203 жыл бұрын
I can concur. light to medium roasts shorten the Baratza life in half. The Baratza produces about 1/4 to 1/3 fines in every grind as well. makes my espresso bitter when totally dialed in. Now looking for another grinder. Not sure I can justify the $3k grinders. ugh.
@BensCoffeeRants3 жыл бұрын
The Decent machine is probably an ideal espresso machine to test different grinders with since you can likely get good repeatable results.
@BensCoffeeRants3 жыл бұрын
@Vicente Donovan no one cares and no one is falling for your scam and your trick with your fake friends account commenting that it worked. It's probably a good way to get your own account hacked.
@darrellvasquez69383 жыл бұрын
Fantastic video! Just came across it today! Are you still selling your old grinder or did it sell already? If you still have it where will you sell it on, I’m definitely interested.
@cybernessful3 жыл бұрын
Any particular reason you decided to go with Pro?
@SimonLeeds3 жыл бұрын
Wow, glad I didn’t get a Sette.
@tompiscitelli25483 жыл бұрын
wow i almost bought one! not now. thanks for the video.
@Reeezeful3 жыл бұрын
I had my Sette break in the very same way - the gearbox gave in and it's a shame that sth. like that happens in such short time. That's telling that they made sacrifices to get to that cheap price
@alisonferry59893 жыл бұрын
Great video. So interesting
@JavaJakesRoastery3 жыл бұрын
which would you recommend flow control or pressure control
@sue84123 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the video :)
@bboulnois3 жыл бұрын
I had the exact same experience - have the Barraza; many issues/ replaced parts - finally bought a flat burr grinder and the Barraza is sitting in a box just in case the new one dies. Nice Vid!
@dicconogara17173 жыл бұрын
is the large amount of problems with the setti down to patrons adjusting the grind setting (adjusting a gap between two grund faces) with beans sill in the grinder, shurley the recommendation should be to clean out any particles befor hand so to not trap or jam therefore burning out gearbox.
@BensCoffeeRants3 жыл бұрын
I think I noticed that Conical burrs seem to produce more acidic or sometimes sour shots, they're not bad, but maybe less bitter, and more acidic.
@BensCoffeeRants3 жыл бұрын
@@serginaru What is? That's been my experience from my testing it's not like shots are all awful and sour just more acidic and less bitter than with flat burrs which seems to correlate with people who say clinicals give more fruit notes and flat burrs more chocolate notes. Sometimes I prefer the extra acidicity.
@chrish.40673 жыл бұрын
Thank you. I have a Sette 270 unused in.the box. I'm thinking to return it and get a Mignon Specialita. I only make two espresso a day. I am considering the long term grind quality and taste and suppose the flat larger burrs will give me the espresso taste that I prefer. I'll be using with a Quick Mill Alexia with PID and Flow Control.
@chrish.40673 жыл бұрын
I ordered the Specialita in the Gourmet Green color. It should be here in two days. I like that it's only 35.5 cm tall and this color will look great in our kitchen my girlfriend and I both agree.
@BensCoffeeRants3 жыл бұрын
If they're around the same price, the Specialita is probably the better choice. I wouldn't call it a 'large' burr but it's a good size ;)
@daveroberts10993 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the eyes up ,👍
@TheLegalImmigrant053 жыл бұрын
Superb video. Thank you so much.
@Steve613 жыл бұрын
I’ve been eyeing off the Sette Wi for some time now and it generally gets good reviews for the grind quality, but this is the first I have heard that the gears are plastic. That is making me think twice. Mind you I’ve had tools with plastic gears - an electric screw-driver that lasted for many years had plastic gears and it was the battery that died first. I suspect a lot of electric drills at the cheaper end use plastic gears, so maybe that is okay. I assume the Eureka has metal??? I’ve eyeing off the Decent too, but my ECM is running well. Your video shows the Decent is a great device for grinder testing.
@nksgopikrishnan3 жыл бұрын
What is the grind setting that you are using? My sette 270 produces a little too coarse even with a 5E configuration. It fails to build up more than 2 Bars. Now I am wondering if something is wrong with the grinder!
@waqasraza22093 жыл бұрын
Hi Damain. I am looking to purchase a Sette 270wi. Would you say it produces better grinds than the Sette 270w? Would that be closer to the Eureka Atom grinds you are extracting? With all the upgrades you've had as part of your warranty, is it safe to say that the internal mechanics of the grinder are closer to the 270wi hence the extract you got was more like a 270wi? Thanks for the excellent video. Very informative.
@MonicaRobinson3 жыл бұрын
I just bought a Beratza Sette 270 and hate it. It makes a mess every time I grind and I agree on the micro-adjust collar setting wanders I had it set to the G setting and it wandered all the way to the B setting. I'm going to send it back to where I bought it. I'd rather spend the 10% restocking fee and be done with it. I've owned it for two weeks. Plus I have to push down on the bean hopper to even get it to work.
@kondko3 жыл бұрын
Hi. Late to the party but.. for the pourpver emulation profile.. is the flow continuously restricted at 2ml/s until you reach your desired output? And did you grind just as you would say a v60 or chemex? And have you tried putting the aeropress filter either on top of the puck as well?
@philipkraft99463 жыл бұрын
New Subscriber and Coffee Newbie here: I recently bought the Sette 30 but promptly returned it with the idea to purchase the Sette 270. I don’t believe I’ll make more than two expressos per week. Question: How do you think the 270 will hold up with limited use? Thanks for a great video.
@DamianSheesh3 жыл бұрын
It will last years, and Baratza will support it if you have any problems. It really is a great grinder for it's price.
@oracla3 жыл бұрын
A short additional question. It boggles my mind, why eureka has made the grind adjustment knob so small. It's amazing how I can hate a feature, that I haven't even tried :D So my question is, how do you like the small little "toy" knob?
@DamianSheesh3 жыл бұрын
They made it quite a bit bigger on their new pro, probably as an answer to the ceado, but honestly, the one on the 75 has to be felt to appreciated. It's extremely precise. It has no play whatsoever and has 'weight' to it. I make very small adjustments, but they're never trivial or difficult.
@BensCoffeeRants3 жыл бұрын
On the specialita it's probably even smaller, so a bit awkward, but it works alright I think a slight movement makes a very very small adjustment anyway. A lot of people don't like the design if you're switching between different brew methods since to get to drip grind it's like 2.5x around, so you just gotta be aware of how much you're changing and do the opposite to get back to the espresso range (similar to the Niche Zero as well, but that's a bigger knob with actual numbers at least), then you might have to make some fine tuning to get it perfect. The thing I like about My Vario is you can hear the motor sound change so it's kinda easy to get back into the espresso zone. Also settings don't seem to change around.
@RyanGazling3 жыл бұрын
Quality video and comparison! I just bought the 270Wi and so far so good. But will now prep for any of the issues mentioned for the future.
@TheKogly3 жыл бұрын
I bought a Sette grinder last week but after watching this I am wondering if I made the right choice.
@DamianSheesh3 жыл бұрын
Oh no! Read my other comments! I think it's a great grinder, especially for it's price. It's well supported and you'll love it.
@SuperMatrix593 жыл бұрын
You made a great choice Baratza easy to use easy to service and the best customer service on the market. They will even help u with your grinder way after warranty and will send you parts for nothing in some instincts. Stay with sette.
@Aerouu3 жыл бұрын
It's a great grinder. It's just not built to last.
@MartinIrwin3 жыл бұрын
It’ll be brilliant for you for the next 18 months. After that, you will need a gearbox.
@MartinIrwin3 жыл бұрын
@@SuperMatrix59 I am trying to get them to send me a new gearbox because this plastic garbage is completely busted in my machine.
@ronaldsantosjapan3 жыл бұрын
Nice informative vid.
@norxx13 жыл бұрын
Thank you much for the detailed video, I have a quick question about the sette machine since you took it apart you may know the secrets, issue with mine is sometimes it does turn on other times it doesn't it will show count down but not grinding and I figure out there are couple of 3 pins that have to be clicked for the machine to grind part of the fact is the coffee holder if it is not locked it will not grind, if you have any thought it will be appreciated.
@DamianSheesh3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comment! Yeah, there is a sensor switch in that lower burr mechanism that has to engage in order for the grinder to start. Could be yours is fouled with coffee or something. I'd actually recommend shooting Baratza support an email. They're very helpful. It isn't a difficult grinder to disassemble and clean either.
@norxx13 жыл бұрын
@@DamianSheesh do u mind listing the major step to disassemble it, just don't want to break anything. Thanks