Interesting observation! It also shows that Paul's glimpses into the future can always change depending on how he decides. His visions were not yet entirely reliable at this point because he had not yet awakened as the Kwisatz Haderach.

Thank you very much! The interaction between Chani and Jessica in Part 2 is certainly an intriguing one and I’m curious to see how Villeneuve will move forward with their character arcs

Although linked to the prophecy - by people like Stilgar, not her - he rejects it multiple times throughout the film. Paul left Chani in the dark when it comes to the decisions he ended up making, so her reactions are understandable. "She'll come to understand, I've seen it" literally means that she'll come to understand the decisions he ended up making and be on his side. C'mon crunk, this ain't rocket science!

It takes some nerve to think that supporting a man who is always on the verge of madness because he can see the entire timeline of mankind from the farthest antiquity to the distant future is a weak woman.

Well said. They completely butchered the majority of the characters in this film.

You would fall for sooo many bene gesserit tricks

@@cj_offlin3 These dudes won’t last a single page in Heretics or Chapterhouse: Dune.

@@CuttingEdges we gotta send them to Salusa Secundus

Misogynist. Woman run the Dune Universe...men are pawns See Alia of the knife

I’m sure she will come around and birth two children in which one of them will become a giant human sandworm

Or pehaps it was Frank Herbert giving a loving nod to his wife, who had to support a man stuck before his typing machine and having to rise children and run the house while her husband was seeking inspiration. If it is your definition of a submissive female...

No way bro said Mikasa Ackerman is “submissive” lmao

@@jameslough6329 Where did I say Mikasa was submissive?

@@CuttingEdges You said book Chani appeals to the “submissive female fantasy” and then said she was similar to Mikasa.

@@jameslough6329 Separate paragraphs. No where did I say Mikasa was submissive. Similar characters, but Mikasa is more complex.

Exactly. Plus in the book, the jihad is a religious holy war only in appearence. In truth, it's a primal reaction of the entire human species that needs its stagnancy shaken and its genes mixed again after millenia of faufreluche cast system and Bene Gesserit lineage manipulations: so Paul has actually little power, if not none, to prevent it.

I don't want to repeat my argument but is it possible that Herbert gave a nod to the kind of love he knew in his own household, with his wife having to support him and run daily things while he was having his own "prescient" experience, i.e. writing a book?

I agree, so you're not alone.

Disagree

The first point she made is that Dune Part 2 goes its own way and rewrites Chani’s character. She then goes on to contrast the two versions of the character…

But the 90 pound or whatever young man is? Do you think there aren't women right now who are trained in combat who couldn't kick your ass because there is evidence there are plenty... A sci fi where their culture is to fight and resistance shouldn't be difficult to wrap your mind around

Because you're addicted to being an 1ncel 🤷‍♂️

I think the third movie will follow the source, only that through Chani Villeneuve can give the resistance an interesting face which is lacking in the book and also gives it a more tragic dimension.

@@voiceover2191 The resistance in the book are die hard conservative Fremen thinking the jihad has eroded their traditional culture and allying with the most manipulative factions of the universe. Do you think that Chani will co-conspire with the two main feminine figures of the resistance? That would be quite surprising if you follow the source.

@@stefbeg You are making the assumption that the resistance in the 3rd movie will be following the book in that. I rather the resistance will be shaped differently in the third movie with a different motive, that paul is spilling the lives of fremen for his cause, not theirs and destroying their culture, basically the same critique Chani already expressed amplified, we'll see I guess.

@@voiceover2191 Please excuse me, but I make no assumption, I was answering to you since you wrote "I think the third movie will follow the source". I find it confusing that you can say simultaneously that the third movie will follow the book and that the resistance will be completely different that the one from the book. Can you please make sense of these two contradictory affirmations? Or did I miss your point?

@@stefbeg You are absolutely right, that is a contradiction. I should have said that I think the 3rd movie will follow the book in that there will be a resistance, but I believe that they will change the motivation and the leadership of the resistance to Chani for dramatic effect. A hint to that is that in the first movie one vision Paul has is being stabbed by Chani.

there real Irony here that not only Paul but his farther wanted to use the Freman to regain power and overthrown the emperor, its only when Paul killed Jamis he to truly understood what his plan would mean.

That's not in the book. Paul thinks of his mother as his enemy not because how Jessica will act but because of what she represents. A Bene Gesserit in distress. This fact alone is sufficient to trigger the ancient legends implanted by the Missionaria Protectiva. In the book, Jessica even disapproves at one moment when Paul endorses his religious role, and it is not to motivate the Fremen against the Harkonnen, it is to save Stilgar.

one of the best parts of Dune is that it does not contain useless/cheap interpersonal drama. the modern-teen "attitude" that chani displays in the movie is boring, pointless, and absolutely not in the book. in the book she is intelligent, disciplined, and absolutely dedicated to Paul.

@@alfreds.3023 What part of "I don't like seeing the man I fell in love with and that confided me all his fears and woes about being destined to take actions that'll lead to tens of billions of horrible deaths through the Universe, that was humble and told everyone he wasn't the messiah, take that very same path before my eyes and abandon all those concerns to embrace being worshipped as a war mongering cult leader" is too teenish for you?

There was nothing that bad about Paul in the first book,it was Herbert 's fault tbh.Although I hope Dennis doesn't make Paul more villainish in Messiah considering he added Paul's "lead them to Paradise" line which felt very different from the book counterpart

I'm saying that in my opinion Chani's character was diminished by the film. In the book, Jessica and Chani do have concerns about Paul's becoming the Prophet. However, their worries are specific, practical, and not public knowledge. They are largely worried about Paul himself (not some moral issues about war and power). Chani's personality in the film doesn't fit at all. A useful analogy is Feudal Japan: imagine Tokugawa Ieyasu's concubine behaving like that in public. It wouldn't make sense. Moreover, Fremen are samurai on steroids! And Paul is no mere Shogun. He is literally the supreme being, the most powerful human in the universe. Everyone sees this. Chani is a Sayyadina. Even Jessica comes to respect her wisdom and discipline. I saw none of that in the movie. I just saw arrogance, scowling, sarcasm, disdain. It made no sense. Consider Jessica in the movie. She's perfectly portrayed. Everything she does shows her to be badass, feminine, a complex superhero. Jessica is all this, and did not need a smug expression, sarcasm, and emotional outbursts.

@@alfreds.3023 That seems better fleshed out, I'm not gonna argue since I've not read the books, just thought that Chani at no point seemed immature, though her role is clearly switched as to give us a POV on, someone who has good reasons to see through what is at play (since she knows Paul better than almost anyone and sees that he's given up on his beliefs as he follows that path; and furthermore, sees her people become more and more radicalized). In the movie, Paul proposing to take the Emperor's daughter as a wife isn't just some teen 'omg he cheated on me', it feels more as the final nail in the coffin of, Paul becomming someone who Chani can no longer recognized; she fell in love for the young man who was down with them, fighting the good fight and rejecting the idea that he was there to lead; and through the movie, that person simply 'dies' in a certain, silent way. The final nail in the coffin being his line of 'send them to paradise', uttered with a tone as if accepting defeat before fate itself. But I digress. It might be worse than the books for sure, I wouldn't know, but I think you're mischaracterizing and being too harsh on movie's Chani because you know and prefer another version of her. Needless to say, movies are a different format, they have less 'runtime' than a book, and less access to inner monologues and thoughts, meaning sometimes things need to be more explicit and expressive.

Family portrait 😂😁😂..

Merely an opinion

What an odd way to write: I find a very limited and particular set of features physically attractive.

@@annesofiestisen239 exactly 💯 unattractive and lacking phenetic elegance.

Thanks for the bad hot take

Rubbish opinion. There are also plenty of men who screw up the planet. People as individuals can be virtuous or not, it is not really a matter of the gender. Seems you got a sexist cherry picked argument, come back with something more constructive. Or don’t comment at all :P

Lmao what does their sh*t have to do with them being women? Bene Gesserit are messed up for different reasons. Modern political elite is messed up due to highly unequal and corrupt structure of modern politics. But I guess misogynists will always blame women, no matter what 😂