Nope. Fakie is closer to switch than normal. I push switch to get to fakie on flatground. And Nollie is closer to normal stance than fakie. I push in normal stance to get to nollie......

@@haroldcampos9661 it is literally regular rolling backwards wym!? 🤣🤣🤣 You pop off the same foot, you flick with the same foot.

@@infinatfadez7909 But you don't have your foot on the kick of the board. You have your foot on the nose. In the case of fakie, it changes your stance to switch. In the case of nollie it switches your stance to regular. Fakie and switch are similar, as is nollie and switch. And nollie and fakie. They're all similar in some ways. Doesn't mean they're all one thing. They're 4 different stances. And no you can't face backwards while rolling, that doesn't exist. Let's just say the skateboard has no reverse gear. It's not a funny joke if you got 2 trolls doing the same thing. There's plenty of good info here, and there's no reason to dilute the thread just to be a troll. What do you wanna prove, that I'm stupid for biting? Lol... not that funny or clever. Even on a back lip you have to turn your head to look over the shoulder and use your peripheral. Show me one trick that is considered an ABD where the person doesn't look at the obstacle as he approaches it, during the trick, or to roll away. You know it's cockamamie theory.

@@haroldcampos9661 dude you are so bass aackwards its insane. If you're rolling fakie your popping foot is definitely on the tail🤣🤣you are trying to be right so bad that you're confusing yourself on actualities. Like what? There is no reverse gear??? You can literally roll backwards you goofball. That's what fakie is. That's why people can do tricks fakie and not switch or nollie. It's literally your regular stance just doing a 180.🤣🤣🤣

@@infinatfadez7909 So you push backwards? Which way do your knees bend bro? There's no way. You push switchmongo don't you?

Switch Nollie?! Oof. That does sound weird. Then you would be switch nollie front 180 back 50-50'ing, when you could just half cab 50-50 or half cab front 50-50. Which would be switch nollie front 180 front 50-50. I mean if you wanna sound smart...lol Half cab 50-50 Half cab front 50-50 Frontside Half cab 50-50 Frontside Half cab front 50-50 Nollie front 180 switch back 50. Nollie front 180 switch front 50. Nollie back 180 switch back 50. Nollie back 180 switch front 50. All perfectly good trick names. Nollie half cab switch back 50-50 makes sense, but the name is no shorter than before. Nollie front 180 switch back 50-50 feels kind of redundant too. But it totally works. Now Nollie half cab switch 5-0... would it be the same as a fakie 5-0? Hypothetically. (But a half cab nosegrind is the same thing as a fakie 5-0, so it is proportional to half cab rotations and whether fakie stays in regular and nollie goes to switch slides/grinds. It makes more sense than the fakie 5-0 alone, which is in fact backwards) Who knows. It's too different. We'd have to change the name of all the abd's. Same thing for fakie, if we did switch nollie, we'd have to change all the names in the books. It would take 1984 levels of effort to do that.

Fakie is not just going backwards lol

unless you count a frontside half cab...

@@haroldcampos9661 fakie is backwards, please explain when it has not been going in reverse-backwards etc...

@@confrex4256 When your toes and face are pointed forward with shoulders open, I would absolutely not consider that backwards. When you are pumping on a ramp and come down fakie you look towards the bottom of the ramp as you start coming down, if it was backwards you'd be riding down the ramp looking at the sky.... or you'd be riding towards the coping looking at the bottom of the ramp. I'd rather call it riding switch or switch nollie than 'backwards' even though the term 'backwards' does make for a good gag. I hope you're joking, my friend! There is no backwards in skateboarding, only forwards. Using the nose to pop is nothing like going backwards.

@@haroldcampos9661 Dude that is the looseses def I have ever heard, to each their own, but I've been skating since the middle 80's. Fakie has always been any trick in your normal stance going backwards. How you set up your body in order to look where you going is irrelevant. But if it work for you I guess. Thats this new gen idea isn't, fuck reality do what you want. But for me, I have to respectfully disagree. Still i have a question, in your view what would you consider a typical fake kickflip over or down stairs for example?

Do you not understand? A backside shuv in nollie and fakie are (the same but) totally different. Nollie backside shuv is actually backwards. A nollie frontside flip is a good example of nollie 180 variations for me. Easy to understand why it would be called that. Even though technically you gotta know how to switch backside flip. But a nollie front shove is a front shov the way a tre is just a tre but frontside since you’re on the nose. I just don’t feel like anyone is schooling anyone, if the tricks are already named right. It’s when video games get it wrong that it can confuse people…imo. Like a backside 180 hardflip. I remember commenting on a sls video and someone told me it was called something else and when I looked all I could find were video game clips from skater xl lol It doesn’t need a catchy name. Just by looking at the trick you can figure out the rest. To visualize something like half cab variations for the first time it can help to use a tech deck! Even if you gotta bend your arm all weird haha

It is a good reference point though. They're the same trick visually and in feel, but they're named different in the sense that a nollie front shove does make an exception for this type of trick. Because it include a directional variant of the trick but not a 180 variant (using your whole body like a cab trick). Where they both converge and manage to be the same trick despite everything else typically being inverse of each other, in terms of naming anyway. Very interesting. Fakie and 180 rotations is where naming gets weird for me. If you ride up to a ledge frontside in fakie and 50-50 it's still a fakie frontside 50-50. But also I do disagree that the direction as behind you or in front of you as you approach it is very much scientific. As the obstacle does not move so it is fixed and it has an axis too. That you are skating on as if looking from a top view. When you half cab or nollie 180 into a grind you're now facing the opposite direction and should be called as such. It's not hard but it's not the most accesible knowledge. Because there's a number of idiosyncrasies, or situations with little rules to remember. Unless you wanna make up your own Haha You don't wanna backside fakie half cab to front 50--50 you wanna just half cab front 50-50. You wanna half cab into a nosegrind you want it to look and feel like a nosegrind, not a 5-0. The result in the street; If you fakie into a nosegrind, it's now called a 5-0. So there's truck variations that are affected inversely, like 180 body rotation. In fakie. That also includes slide tricks. Front half cab noseslide is gonna be you popping fakie and doing a tailslide. It's gonna feel like a switch back tail. Unless we're talking about stuff that really hasn't been done, it's usually got a way to name it using what exists, I think. As someone said, a lot of it has been done. After a while everyone just sort of figures out what everything is correctly called. In skateboarding a lot of it is like a movie where you don't want to give out the spoilers, but everyone experiences the same phenomenons tbh Sometimes we see something totally new in the sport and it evolves, some days we don't. Skateboarding is relatively young in my opinion, who knows what skateboarding will look like a hundred years from now. I have no idea, but it will be insane (in a good way), I hope. Hopefully can they figure out fakie in the future lol

Half cab back suski equals salad where it goes over the obstacle, where a half cab front suski is more of a true suski. It depends on the direction of approach back or front side relative to the obstacle. Both looks like crooks and it only makes sense when you half cab. That's a idiosyncrasy. But it gets weird when you do half cab like tricks to grinds in nollie. A nollie 180 switch back crook is a nollie 180 salad technically, but not visually. And it should cancel out because then it would go into fakie-like naming. I'm not sure the extent of idiosyncrasies in nollie but this is potentially one of them. The purpose of nollie seems to be cancelling out reverse naming of tricks. But then you end up doing stuff like calling nollie backside flips nollie frontside flips. Where a fakie frontside flip is a frontside flip and it doesn't cancel itself out with the name structure, with nollie often requiring using two stances in one trick name for nollie 180 to grinds. Fakie is essentially pretty effective and fast, and eliminates the term backside, and switch. (Nollie front 180 switch back 50-50? vs Half cab 50-50 or Half cab front 50-50) When in fakie, never go backside lol Always half cab. So now you're just riding up frontside and half cab back 50-50ing. Not [switch] nollie 180 switch mongo regular back 50-50 or whatever.. what's the point of deviating from fakie naming when you're going to have to resort to calling tricks 'switch grinds' or something else, before you even 180 into them. If I nollie 180(ignore the 180!) into a switch crooks that's a regular crooks then, sorry. (This is wrong, but a half cab to grind is natural stance. Currently trying to figure out why I wrote this last part, as it might apply to half cab but not nolie 180 to grind...I guess what I'm getting at is maybe I'd sooner use the term Nollie half cab than switch nollie, if that didnt imply going the wrong body rotation to a nollie front 180). Half cabs were way ahead in that context. Where you might be skating vert in the 80's and switch didn't exist and you wanted to go up fakie and get a trick but didn't wanna come out of a grind switch. And probably still don't. You also wanna know which side you're gonna lock into from after the 180. Which is also inversely proportional to the direction you're coming from. A nollie half cab 50-50 would just implicitly suggest you will lock into a switch grind. Where a half cab was implying you would ride up fakie, do the trick and come out in your natural stance. It was the final step after pumping, rock to fakie, run up fakie, half cab, add a trick to that, then go back in to natural stance. Saying nollie half cab 50-50 or nollie half cab front 50-50 would have to require me switching from what I know as frontside in nollie to backside. I could be wrong about that last part. Not sure I know why they named anything the way they did tbh But if you told them that's a half cab switch 50-50, they'd say no it isn't. Well, technically it's not. But that explains why nollie does that (switch grinds). But switch didn't exist. Nollie also didn't exist either. It was either regular stance (natural stance or, whatever they called it) or fakie. Maybe if switch existed they would have been nollie half cabbing into switch grinds. Or what I guess I call cancelling out haha. You want people to know you're skating switch though, so that's a positive. Using the term Nollie half cab would erase that. And the point of skating nollie is to skate switch. Which means half cab-like tricks to grinds should be used more often.

It can be shortened to "swnollie" xD