Exactly!! Brandon and I had this same conversation the other day!

Dude... Eternity. Right? Or am I imagining, I think my first smell of Eternity was from big bro Geoff

Why is everyone focusing on Mark Driscoll? They should be focusing on John Lindell and why he invited a satanic stripper into the house of God. And why afterwards, he has strove to denigrate Mark Driscoll. I tell you this I feel the Holy Spirit has left that church because the Holy Spirit will not co exist with Satan.

I am grateful for many of your comments. I have seen footage of many videos of Pastor Lyndell as well as relevant parts of the conference. Sometimes sharing opinions should come before expecting corrective actions? Both pastors might have thought that they were being led under Holy Spirit anointing and the questionable performance could be viewed from different standpoints. Something that seems worldly can be viewed as entertainment but usually has some satanic influence even when it's done at the Olympics. Time for all believers to fully understand Jesus/Yeshua and original Scripture. Thanks for posting your thoughts!

i dont condone seperatism, or idol worship and besides , it even says in the holyhalftruth " only a fool seeks a council of fools"

Become archiax warriors peace 🕊️💓

Every side of this spectacle is ridiculous, including the incessant commentary and self-important “analysis” and “biblical” exposition. But by all means, carry on. The whole lot of you demonstrate nothing more than that American Christianity is a joke. If there is a god, if there’s any truth expressed in the bible, every goddamned one of you clowns is a million miles away from it. It’s almost not even funny. But it is, especially when each of the players gets earnest and speaks the banality of their “truth”. 🤦🏻‍♂️🤣🤣🤣

Driscoll did not go public about the incident. He had follow up private text with the Lindell family/ JRC leadership. Lindell was WRONG!

Good word!

I have never heard of you two pastors, but I too like what you have said. Every gathering should be about God. Anything else is in the "Soap Opera" camp. As God told Joshua when they were cleaning out the Promised Land and had never lost a man while battling the giants except for one little town called Aei. Joshua asked God why he lost so many men there, God said, "There is sin in your camp." We must be wary of disobeying God in any way. Nobody can tell me that God sanctioned the fleshly entertainment. He is a fun God, but sliding further down the hole to hell and offering titillating previews is not God's idea of fun. Somebody (nobody) went to God for His approval before booking the "acts." It was a farce and thus a fiasco. Mark was totally right in calling it out. It seems that he was the only one there who was listening. In agroup of 6000 men SOMEBODY should have been listening -- especially in a AOG gathering. I am SO disappointed in them all, as I am quite sure God is. He will be talking to each and every one of them, thanks to Mark putting a light on them. All of the prophets I have heard recently have said that He was going to separate the wheat from the chaff beginning with His own house! It has begun. People need to get off of the fence. Choose ye today whom you will serve!

They are both emotional babies😮 It is NOT there ministry or their churches…they have both demonstrated the types of character flaws that 1 Tim 3 rules out as leaders😮 Their respective boards should pull Rivers for lying about the individual he hired as entertainment being a Christian or having a family etc. Driscoll did what he always does …showboating and one-upping his fellow pastors😮 Pathetically childish and extremely arrogant are not qualifications for leaders😮 How much more pastoral malpractice must their respective churches endure?

John Lindell was rebuked by God. Ezekiel 34:7-10.

Mark Driscoll despite his rocky past. Is 100% correct for calling out the performance. John Lindell is a liar, a false teacher by proxy and a lazy shepherd. Brandon Lindell is a liar and is also the man that selected the dancer for the show and watched him rehearse the show. Brandon also oozes a gay male cheerleader persona. David Lindell is a false teacher in the same manner as smiling Joel. Sometimes he mentions God but he’s mainly a motivational speaker that mentions God here and there. That church sins against God on a regular basis. John invites false teachers to his platform and never refutes their false message. This is a false teacher by proxy and it’s a very dangerous kind of false teacher. In his setup. He gets to platform false messages and when they get called out for being false. John gets to deflect the blame onto the speaker. “They said it, not me” This also points him down the path of the nicoliatan because he profits financially from each of these false teachers sermons. John also sells products inside the church for profit in a tax free venue. He’s committing tax fraud and turning the church into a market place. He misuses the tithe regularly. He will let the food bank go empty while he’s buying his office secretary a brand new $30,000 van. He has used the tithe to construct grand buildings with massive amounts of wasteful spending, like having well over a million dollars in glass at each site. He invites pagan entities inside the church like the Easter bunny instead of Jesus. And Santa clause and his magical elves for the kids to give their wish list too. They lie about the amount of miraculous healings that happen so they can entice the unsaved people into the church to boost their numbers and hopefully increase their incoming tithe. When you find out the healings are a scam. John will ignore any request to talk about it. And if too many people ask about it. He will give a shaming and condescending sermon to the church. After the toes got exposed as a lie. John taught that you should never challenge Gods anointed one (himself) or the bears will come and mail you to death. When it was the conference. John taught that the church is spiritually immature and a baby bottle is all they are gonna get to be fed. John Lindell has enriched his personal al life at the expense of the church. He has made himself fat and comfortable while he starves and ignores the needs of his congregation. When someone walks away for whatever reason. None of the pastors ever make an attempt to find the lost sheep. James river church is nothing more than a pay for your healing and salvation scam. When you don’t get healed they tell you that you either don’t have enough faith or you cheated God on the tithe. Every testimony they put on the screen is the same story with different details. Our lives were terrible and filled with sin but then we gave tithe to James river church and it all got fixed. We even got an envelope filled with cash in our mailbox for no reason. It’s always the same thing. Nothing gets better until money was given to James river church. God has rebuked John Lindell with Ezekiel 34:7-10 He will repent of his ears will be deadened to the voice of God. His lips will Be silenced and his flock will be taken away and given to a good shepherd. And so far it doesn’t look like he has any intention of truly repenting. He is just going down the list of sins and saying sorry until he sees that it’s dying down. It’s all lip service. I used to be in John Lindell’s main church in ozark for 3 years. In That time I asked to speak to John in private 7 times. David 2 times and Brandon 1 time. All requests were ignored. Other local pastors approached John Lindell. He refused to hear them as well. John is taking full responsibility because he wants to keep the spotlight from exposing Brandon’s secrets publicly And being laughed out his position in the pastoring staff. John Lindell is the lazy shepherd and Nicoliatan

Why do these Pastors feel the need to to claim both had pride. Be balanced is a copout. By your own admission Mark Driscoll has said nothing to defame Lindell. He merely called out the bad spirit. Yet for some reason even though Lindell has acted completely inappropriately, you claim both were wrong. How?

I remember when you told me I had to find a way to forgive certain people, like my Daughters bf. I couldn't conceive such an idea. But somehow, I was able to replace the hatred for understanding, which took a million pounds off of me. It takes a lot of prayer and a lot of work.

Love to listen and learn. ❤

We , as the church need to get out of the “pig pen “ go back to THE FATHERS HOUSE ,and be about our FATHERS BUSINESS 🥰🙏🩸

Nobody is saying anything about the man that was brought in the meeting …

I just tried THREE TIMES to respond to jimmyjohn4093 and none of my responses show up. Am I blocked from responding to anyone??

Elijah wasn't hesitant or apologetic about calling this stuff out

Sooo… what about those of us who have experienced what John is capable of? Are we not to tell our experience in the interest of warning others to stay away from him???

Obviously God is separating the real goats from the sheep.....Lindell has a goatish spirit.

The text conversation between Mark and John's son, should never have been aired publicly. We also don't know what conversations had previously taken place between Mark and John's son that prompted the texts. Mark said nothing in text that was out of line with the warning against the Jezebel spirit he was pointing out. Since the incident Mark has said nothing publicly regarding the situation.

Mark spoke privately he did not air it. John was wrong to publish private messages.

Insightful comments.

Here is the mistake it's not men and their churches. People coming together to fellowship is church. Church created the western way with pulpit and chairs facing one-way is from Constantinople who adopted in from his entertainment days.

My son went to James River college and was an intern under the Lindell’s. So sad to say but this church is way off track, you do what you’re told to do and ask no questions. There are so much more but I’m not getting into all that. The Lindell’s have so much pride and power in Springfield Mo. I hope and pray the good Lord will soften their hearts.

Sad part is there were kids and women there also!

where are you guys from? just the state.

I wanted to know what mark was going to say about the sword before he was interrupted and let’s face it Peter used a sword and Jesus rebuke Peter 😊

John Lindell should be asked this, would you do this kind of act in your church if Jesus Christ was in the the crowd with all the others? Wether its a monster truck rally or sword swallower, people go to church to feed their sole and hear the word of God. NOT to be entertained by anything but the words of the Bible and great teachings. Mark Driscoll delivers the word and great teachings. Im not saying Mark is perfect, were all flawed but John Lindell is deliberately sending the wrong message with his choices of entertainment or words. John Lindell keeps focusing on the wrong things instead of moving on and continuing to preach the word of God.

Been all through JRA building and there isn't one single cross in that place.

God is not “all about reconciliation” ….God is about ALL the aspects of His Glory including pruning and rebuke and taking after giving ….John Lindell is incompetent as a “pastor” and not showing one aspect of Godly behavior or judgement or leadership or humility or even honesty about who the male stripper is or even being honest with his supposed “taking responsibility” and then blaming Driscoll some more ….Lindell should be fired plain and simple. God rejects in Beautiful Good just as well as He accepts in Beautiful Good. Lindell is the one hanging up on the supposed call of God to become a pastor. Disconnection accepted.

You gentlemen did a good job of making Biblical points regarding the very wrong committed in Lindell’s Men’s Conference. Mark Driscoll seemed pretty humble and broken for the Church. Even people who don’t go to Church were appalled at this sword swallowing Circus act!! Mario Murillo is showing what REAL men of God must become, (humble and broken) in Jesus’ Holy Name-Amen!

Good word Pastor Geoff

A few points: 1/ The question of the nature of the pole dancing performance has to be clearly addressed - in short, is Mark's accusation true, or is it not true? 2/ John's dishonesty regarding personal details about the performer needs addressed (the performer has since come out and disproved some of what John claimed about the performer in his accusations against Mark). 3/ John's claim that he is above criticism or questioning because he is 'anointed', needs to be addressed. 4/ Looking through a lens of what Mark believes to be true, in that John's behavior is inexcusable in exposing his congregation to what he did and then his behavior afterwards, why is it dishonest for Mark to try to 'depose' John, as it were? If Mark truly feels that John's teaching, behavior, and leadership were leading people astray, or is even dangerous, why would it be dishonest of him to try to have him removed from authority? Wouldn't that be his moral obligation? People can disagree with those judgments about John, and say Mark is wrong about those things, but it's disingenuous to claim Mark is being deceptive or dishonest in what he did. In Mark's own mind, if he believes these things about John and the performance to be true, it's his moral obligation to do something about it. I understand Mark is a contentious figure, and there are accusations against some of his questionable behavior in the past, and even recent past, but I think ad hominem attacks are unproductive, and the merits of what both John and Mark have said and done in this situation should be what is focused on. And with an objective look at everything that happened, I think Mark did nothing wrong, in any way.

Pastors, thank your for a Biblical response to this sad situation. It is a call for us to live our directive to be Priests and Kings to God because of Jesus sacrifice. I need to be reminded of the awesome responsibility bestowed upon my life to live out His calling. I have been in the Pro Audio business for over 30 years and have installed sound systems in some of the most notable churches in this country. It breaks my heart to see tools used as an "attraction" to visit or decide to attend a given church. Despite my chosen profession, I hear Jesus' words to His disciples that He must be lifted up and He will draw all men unto himself. Of course, He was speaking of the cross but the thought remains that we preach Christ crucified and then He WILL draw all men. Forgotten message from many pulpits today. Thank you for serving faithfully and preaching Christ crucified!

Where is their relationship with Jesus, haven’t heard a word about Jesus. Pastor Lindell needs to draw closer to Jesus, pride is not of Jesus. They need a relationship with Jesus!!!

This is the most genuine response to the incident. We are divided from the world to bring the light of God to the world. And everyone that had something to say, are saying something about the two pastors. God is a respector of no man, He will use whom he deems fit for his command.

I remember when you told me this years ago .

Yes & Amen totally agree with you guys👍

Hey fellas. Just a couple of things. I was at this conference. It was held in the Missouri State University basketball arena in Springfield, MO. I attend James River Church. John is a pastor that typically preaches it pretty straight and doesn’t pull too many punches. Which is why I was shocked at his response. While both men could’ve handled that situation better, it felt as if John was more concerned with his brand more than what Mark had to say. Both men later came out and sat together and spoke about restoring the relationship which was good but the issue itself was never addressed. I am praying for a gracious restoration of this entire situation so the world will not be able to mock the Church. In Friday night, there was over 500 men who raised their hand for salvation. They came forward in response. There was so many they couldn’t get them all to the front. Of course, not everyone who raised their hand necessarily commits their life to Jesus, but seeds were definitely planted.

Preeeeaaaacccchhhhh!!!

Love it guys!

My dear friends!

Me and my Grandson Noah watched it in Myrtle creek in 2017

Keep up the great vids!

I think you should show you always !! And because I inspired you I think you should paint me a Oregon coast sunset.

I think you could be the next Bob Ross!

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