A gift is not a donation. I'd rather see this then just straight up twerking for an hour on stage. Always love seeing shitty takes from a non US members.

Man this episode was just one shitty person after another, it's the dirt bag episode

This is why I only paint/build and read lore lol

Return to pre-8th edition 40K. Complexity with a purpose.

I’ll stick with one page rules… and get double the games in.

GW went woke that’s why many are turning their back on warhammer. Unpopular opinion I know but that’s the facts.

100%

Its one of the reasons why I dont play much or try and get involved in clubs. Its just to much to try and track all the rule changes so that I am upto speed to play with regular players. Its way to hard to track down where all the changes happen

I'm a very casual player, 3-5 games a year with one friend, my biggest complaints about wh40k is more about GW than the game; 1. Army cost, i can't justify $500-1k+ on a game i occasionally play. (i personality 3d printed a proxy army, using a combination of free and paid for files, plus a few months of patreon and materials my 2000pt tau army cost is around $150, if i want to increase that to 3000pts i already own the fire so materials comes out to air $1-3 per unit. (added benefit i think most tau proxies look better than official models) 2. I think the changes from 9th to 10th oversimplified the game as a whole too much, taking away a lot of nuance from the factions, and the customization. Then they overcomplicated things trying to balance it out again. 3. The cycle of oops this one thing is broken and way too OP let's make a game wide rule chsnge/addition to fix it, oops that broke things for everyone else, let's change those rules to keep them playable, oops that broke something else, let's rewrite the rules for the newly affected thing... Oops..... (bonus points for "hey you know that model you spent a lot of time and money on? It's legends now, you can do whatever you want with it in a casual peasant games but keep it away from any real 40k game) TL; DR, I don't like GW, they claim to be a game company when it seems like they don't care about their own game or players, it's obvious they only want you to buy more WAY overpriced plastic models. (most larger, high-end, high detail articulating posable Gundam models cost less than a riptide)

I work way too much so i play once every two months or so. It feels like a different and worse game each time haha

Ugh. Yeah. I’ll be over here playing Bolt Action for a bit.

Getting tabled by the end of turn 2 is always painful, I was playing Imperial knights for a while, I very rarely made it past turn 3, most games it was turn 2, I actually got completely wiped off the board turn 1 in several games, its not like I could vary my army much to try to avoid it, all the Titanic Knights had the same 3+ armour, and 5+ inv. . . It seemed like there was a lot of ways of ignoring the inv save.

The frequency of updates since 7th has made even competitive regular players struggle to keep up, I missed one points change as it was just a tiny line of text in an faq, had to drop an entire Armiger from my army to play on the day, which was a really important rear objective holding model 😢

I've been to play casual, and tried to play a role from the rule book and the guy opposite is like no that's changed, it's in a FAQ. Trying to find people who just want to roll some dice is really tricky.

The fact GW resets it's ruleset every time instead of refining it further is exactly why this happens again and again and again. The game is not complex, GW is just making rules to sell you models and have no stake in the actual GAME. They NEVER HAVE. If you want complex but STATIC rules, try BattleTech.

Completely agree that you don’t needvto play the most up to date rules, playing an older ruleset, you can fully paint your army, and you don't need to worry about having to change it due to points costs, models not being supported anymore, legends etc. . or other changes. . . I went back a while to find the best version, it was 1993 😂

Ditched 10th, dusted off the 2nd edition model, loving gaming like its the 90s again with all the rules and army lists in one skinny little book.

Editions need to last longer. The amount of changes that happen and they dont let the changes cook for a bit is crazy. I love 40k been playing since 4th ed. But jesus the fact everyone wants to play like a tournament is so dumb. 80% wont be and 99% dont have a chance to win them. Its sad you dont see lists like older edtions that have the oddball unit here and there that does well. Everyone just waits for the latest KZfaq vid to tell them their list.

When you need to print off the terrain rules before the battle, you might have bloating issue

Additional thoughts - it feels like the game is being treated like a computer game with its attitude to patch repairs and content, Mikey you even refer to it as "dlc"! In the low tech world of tabletop adventuring with dice it just makes it clunky and disjointed.

Viva la One Page Rules. It's fun, you're consistently engaged no matter who's turn it is, it's fun, you don't need to think about it 24/7 just to play a casual game, and it's fun. 40k does not respect your time. It's too geared towards the tournament scene, and the rules are just horribly, horribly written.

Cominc from the reddit post, I think over there I am in the minority that agrees with you. I am mainly a MESBG player and I'm befuddled by how unneccessarily complex 40k is on game elements that should be straightforward.

The best way for me to keep up with the game is to attend tourneys and lose to armies I haven't played/faced yet. If you fall to a "gotcha" you won't repeat that mistake 😅

i wish we could just reset to the beginingof 8th ed. with the indexes and try again from there, lol

The rules are different everytime I play. Im not particularly competitive prefering to create epic moments on the table top. I enjoy the narrative drama over how many points im scoring. The basic rules and indexes play very well with a nice flow . Beyond that im not impressed. I have no time or desire to have to log on to a website to see what has been tweaked this week. Part of me likes the idea of participating in an event as i like the community social aspect but frankly my perception of trying to keep up is demoralising. Long live 8th ed which im still playing at home, despite a bit of book bloat, its a complete game with lots of army character!

I think you don't really understand how life works... Now that baiting sentence is out of the way I'll explain, you say people who only play once every few months can play without FAQ but that assumes their opponents also only play once every few months. I'll use me as an example. I play about once a month, but one of the guys I play against fairly regularly (2 of my last 3 games) plays a tournament once a fortnight and plays at least once a week often more. While some of the others I play with maybe play once every 2 months. I would guess a lot of players are like myself and don't have someone that ideally lines up in terms of life and free time so picks up games with whoever in the local community is available when then can. This requires an understanding/expectation of what rule set will be used and in our case it's whatever the latest rules are. I do think the rules are both changed to often and poorly documented I get maybe 4 games in between dataslates max and then there's these random rules drops as well. It's just a mess.

GW rule presentation is just kinda awful. The rules need a cheat sheet page listing what every keyword does, and a phase by phase flowchart of what to expect/do in every phase, along with simple explanation of each action. That I would consider the bare minimum. Keep this on a PDF that you can download which stays updated with any errata, with said errata being highlighted. Just this simple document that would take a few days tops to write down would make the game so much more approachable

My partner and I had a baby at the end of last year and so obviously I have had to bow out for a while. I have only recently started to get back into it by taking part in a local league and yeah, I am definitely finding the rules a little hard to keep up with - more so from the rules existing in so many different places, core rules, rules commentary, battleslate, codex, index, etc... I just want a single point of truth for rules.

Everything Digital. Release all the rules, Codex´s everything at the same time. Then update that said rules 2 times a year in one big FAQ/dataslate at one place, the only place you have too look to see the changes that has been made. Digital rules will make sure you are running the latest.

GW is part owned by Blackrock .

the problem is not excessive rules complexity, but rather overcomplicating and overloading the ruleset over time to pander the small competitive subset of the player base. GW is trying to chase competing objective of casual vs competitive. Bringing out a separate well-tested & balanced ruleset with limited amount of factions and constant updates would be a better competitive solution without negative cross-impact on the casual playerbase.

I have the books and cards. Idgaf about the updates. Casual all the way.

I just started playing Heresy, it’s such a refreshing change to 40K. The rules are far more stable, initially more complicated perhaps, but two games in and I’m finding it more fun than 40k.

Infinity is a much better game. Corvus Belli is a much better company.

I feel aos would be easier to get into than me getting back into 40k

He should try Battletech. It has been the same pretty much since the 80's

still not as complicated as 9th and I thought 9th was so much better than 10th

The game isnt too complex, there is very much a player attitude issue of not wanting to get better and blaming the game. I've seen it multiple times where a casual player gets tabled and instead of thinking how they could have played better it's the game sucks and is too complex.

It is a lot, and it’s not readily available. The keywords are helping, it’s very hard for me to find pick up games with players, because of the time commitment compared to more accessible parts of the hobby like painting or modeling on your own.

rules arent complex, printing old rule books and then needing a buncha other stuff is. why cant GW have a 10.1 rule book every 6 months instead of printing landfill books

Just being honest here. I haven't played since 4th. I have kept up with the rules but they have got more and more complicated. maybe I am old. lol

I mean you get rid of WYSWG and true line of sight but you'd lose your mind right? Actual help the game?

I'm just hoping that they release the rules like they did for AOS 4.0 and when they update they just update the pdf and everyone wins, hopefully. They can still sell the books and that is great, that is where hobby and lore hides, lots of people will grab one, but for someone like me being able to grab the pdf and just play one and done helps the player.

Really dislike that Goobertown video, it's pretty obvious he deliberately made the worst possible army he could and didn't make any attempt to try and engage with some of the mechanics to confirm his bias, you can actually see that his friends in the video are pretty fed up with playing with him. However i do think 10th was a bit of miss, it will be interesting to see how Age of Sigmar fares going forward, as it's new edition appears to have had near identical goals to 10th but looks like more time and effort has been put in. As for pivots i've felt for ages that they need to bring back some kind of representation of the old armour facings/arcs into the 8th+ format, you'd have to move/fire in a chosen arc and could maybe get a flank or rear attack that wounds easier or something. It's not a 100% comparison though in Heresy you can move tanks pretty loosely but you don't get the weird shenanigans because you don't want you tanks getting hit in the side/rear or leave your guns unable to fire.

The rules are too complex? wtf are you guys smoking? this edition is fucking easy mode. if you are not sure you open the app and it will tell you in kiddie steps what you need to do. this edition is so dumbed down compared to previous editions its not even funny heck I would call it even boring.

LMFAO 10th is too complex? dude haha no one tell him about 7th edition and below, dude will have a stroke trying to "Understand" those previous editions

Definitely a fan of minimizing the ruleset for casual games. Been running a Crusade with a friend since the start of the year. We trim the non-core rules and emphasize the narrative to make it more enjoyable. Feels like too many players don’t take creative license to make the game fun for them when it’s at home with friends.

The problem with 40k is the activation, if I’m idle for longer than 5 mins I disengage…….I have had turns where I score 0 points due to being disengaged and on my phone during my opponents turn due to a loss of interest, they need to make the turns more engaging and probably have to suck it up and add the Sigmar style turn activation…..otherwise 40k will continue to die a slow death as more people find better things to do with their time.

Nips for the win!

The secondary mission packs are too complex and bog the game down with analysis paralysis while the codex’s lack depth and feel anemic.