I cant imagine that stays like this for the Battletome also, these heroes costing as much as units is shocking to me.

@@TheBarakDur Agreed. Why would i ever take a Lord Terminos/ Vigilant over just more Reclusians . Cant wait to see some Fyreslayers content :)

One of things about a double in 3rd is that players were still trying to use resources to achieve their BT during that turn which sometimes led players to not fully COMMIT to the shove of the double but now its no holds bar, SHOVE.

Yeah will address, my audio test didnt catch anything will for sure turn it up.

I dont quite understand why IJ are hitting on 4s either. I guess they felt the math checked out by adding the additional attacks?

You misunderstood, I am achieving Do Not Waver by fighting my opponent manifestation.

@@TheBarakDur oh fair enough!

There is quite a few very efficient Cav army and due to some of them both having the durability to also kinda grind. They also are very effective in a double :P

Thanks for letting me know. I am starting to think its an issue with the Live Stream YT issue since my Mic Test indicate no issue, I will for sure address this.

@TheBarakDur thanks. I drive and listen so it was impossible to hear over road noise. Might be, a few shows i listen to are the same way. Can barely hear them then maps is screaming at me.

I think you hit it pretty much on the head.

I am a supervillian in training. Thanks for watching.

I am not quite there, I just want Morbid Manifestation to be probably broken into 2 lores and the Faction Lores to get a relook to align to generic powerlevel.

Well technically they do, its Nagash but aside from him. Thats not where the NH value comes from. Think of it this way, the game atm lost a lot of durability mechanics and armies gained rend overall imo. You have an army that doesn’t care about rend or the lost of durability due to their ethereal ability and from last edition they gained 20% wounds overall while a lot of other armies went down 10-20%. Just before you take into account NH output which got better thats a pretty big swing in power. Whatever algorithm they used to do points didnt feel like ethereal was properly counted.

@@TheBarakDur In my crunch for the indexes bladegheist and hex are some of the most efficient profiles yeah, I think that NH is just used to spamming efficient profiles as its playstyle though and other armies aren't. They aren't so far ahead of potentially dedicated spamming list of vanquishers and palladors, black knights, slickblades, dawnriders, cities has some ultra efficient units. Skaven, Sylvaneth, and Ironjawz kind of don't though.

Weird, when I do my audio test pre recording I feel like I am loud as hell. Will keep in mind!

​@@TheBarakDurYou're incredibly low for sure.

Ahha its actually coming, got the whole Mission Dashboard ready! Working on deployments.

In love rn. You re the best​@@TheBarakDur

Yeah the points on them dont reflect their utility and the drop cost opportunity.

Teclis for the most part can stay out of range of your opponent shooting minus maybe KO which atm is mostly nonexistent. While he stays out he can still summon “400-600” points of effective threats on the table everyturn. And you still have the counter shooting unit called sentinels that outrange most shooting units in the game. Teclis is more afraid of teleporting melee threats than shooting imo.

@@TheBarakDur I see I will definetly try him out. Will you say that the morbid conjugation is the best lore for him?

The Morbid Manifestation is the best for everyone at this point I would even say.

Thank you for watching!

Yeah the Demon half of Khorne is fantastix!

How do you score with that slow army? I played vs shooting and alpha strike/heavy cavalry with Khorne. It was a nightmare (0:4 score) also the bloodletters are cool and such, but the dmg is not that high compared to many other things(cheaper, faster) I struggled hard to actually kill deathriders, varanguard, knights n stuff. Also couldn't gain any bloodtithe because of this.

@@olafolafsson2755 well the unfettered fury grants one khorne daemon unit a 3d6 charge so with their move that’s a 23 inch threat range just with the bloodletters, if you take bloodcrushers it’s 26 inch threat range. The bloodthirsters have a move of 12”plus whatever charge range you choose, skarbrand has a 26” threat range. So I’m not entirely sure khorne has mobility issues. You said you went against a shooting/alpha strike army but didn’t mention the faction? So I can’t really address your question. The only faction I know of that focuses heavily on shooting is kharadron overlords.

3d6 charge is 3-18 inches. you can't reliably hope for a huge charge. Also deployment is tricky, because the screening with chaff doesn't work anymore (vs varanguard especially) opponent played Kavalos Deathriderns, varanguard and LrL. I think vs similar builds/armies like Khorne, can be quite a good match up. The 3d6 charges, murderlust and potential to grind the enemy to death come to use there. But "real" mobility like deepkin, slaanesh or tanky, strong cavalry in general seems like an issue. deployment, scoring, collecting blood tithe and actually killing those units can be hard. Bloodletters obviously deal high dmg but the numbers are not that impressive. Same with the Bloodthirster. Often times you can't just calculate with 20 letters. 12-15 is more realistic if not less. because of terrain, dead models and so on Just my experience with khorne. (4 games in real and 3 tts) (I and my opponents also were not a beginners just for perspective. This is not casual random gameplay in the local GW store. Intention is to discuss and/or share expierence. Not to explain how the game works or pretending to know everything)

Thats a good point, they probably thought wow people will take heroes to unlock more unit slots but really only a handful of lists aren't going to care about drop count when the vast amjority will.

@@TheBarakDur It's odd to me that they were so far off from the players on this. I've written literally dozens of list so far, and in not a single one have I ever thought "oh no, I need to take another hero to give me more slots." But at least half the time I do think "oh no, I want to take another hero but it means another drop so I really can't." It's also another source of index inequity, because some indexes have very permissive "extra" hero options, while others are extremely restrictive. So you have armies that can take the 3-4 heroes they want and still be 2 drop, and then you have the armies that can't.

Its even more backwards than that. The big heroes like Mannfred aren't taxed and have omni-slots while the cheap ones that do less are and and have unit limits. Every list is going to look the same soon, just auto slamming Ellania, Shalaxi, Bastian, Belakor, Starmaster, Eidolon etc in a 2 drop. What does a Wight King have to cost to see play right now? From 160 to 80? Would that even be low enough? How about a Clawlord with his warscroll like it is. Like no thought went into this.

@@rotm4447 Yep, it's kind-of a mess tbh. The core rules seem very good this edition, but the contrast between them and the army building rules (and manifestation rules) is pretty dramatic. It's like half of the rules were written by one team and half the rules were written by a totally different team. It's weird to see so much quality disparity between different sections of what are nominally the same rules package.

Thanks for watching.

Merci Arnaud et belle rencontre!

Thanks Coach

Yes, we make sure that we play games we practice are from the worst possible combination of events to create scenarios for players to have to scrap points. We need players with strong mental fortitude to make sure we don't make a loss worst.

As I mentionned on Twitter. I have not witnessed any of this personally at the event but now have heard contradicting narratives about some of the "talked" about examples this week. Honestly, Dan's original post was not alluding to anything regarding breaking the player code's. His original tweet was an image with his thoughts and it mostly talked about how he does not want the game to be about nickel and diming people on sequencing and that this type of behavior on both players at the table should allow some "take backs". I personally do believe in giving reasonable "Take Backs" but I do not expect it from my opponents and that in itself is problematic, in fact I believe its more problematic than clean gaming with no take backs. I would rather they be no take backs and just clean wargaming from both parties. I believe creating a culture of take backs is more likely to result in "weaponizing" (a term I see too often for this topic and its dumb) of that behavior because take backs are inherently at the mercy of perception of each player in what is reasonable versus not. A player will find it easy to take advantage of someone's good will versus taking advantage of someone's of playing cleanly. Also, love the jerseys!

​@@TheBarakDur Note, I did not refer to just Dan's original tweet taken out of context but the whole discussion that's unfolding in there, including some of the examples (of which I've witnessed one myself) where a "clean play" was just a facade to act in a manner that directly breaks the Player's Code to gain a benefit. It's good to have someone keeping it real with the 'takebacks expectations' as I do agree with your point, just not in the context of what is Dan trying to say ("there is a world where you can be firm but fair in the spirit of the game").

Takebacks and the players code should always be part of small and local events. But on the high level - remembering your rules and actually not needing a takeback under higher pressure is part of the skill expression.

@@olafolafsson2755 if it was for example a video game (an enviroment that organizes game mechanics for the players) it would ask you at the correct time to choose your benefit. That way the game is won by better decisions in it. Tabletop game's limitation is that players keep track of the game flow and thus it's both players responsibility to choose one of their options at the right moment. In this situation there is no opportunity for a takeback to happen (unless someone wants to change their choince, that's obviously out of line). It is supported by the Player's Code and it'a as much part of the game as warscrolls and core rules are and should be followed otherwise you're breaking rules of the game (just not the core ones). Takebacks as of someone wants to move a model back or to a different position, do things in a different order they already did etc. should obviously not be a part of high-end competitive games. There's a line there and it is quite clear IN MY OPINION.

When exactly was that?

@@TheBarakDur worlds 2023, my Splintered fangs vs your Dwarfs and I lost my FoD because of pileing <1" too far. The problem with takebacks is that if i ask you there (you lose if you agree) you becomes the bad person for denying it

Sorry Tom, just to understand what you are trying to say: You think I am making excuses for losing against Bad players from Greece? I am don't think I mentionned anything about Greece being bad. I am merely sharing the moment in which you can sit on the sidelines and watch all of these rolls happen against your team that are super unlikely and how it feels so much worse to watch it from the sidelines than playing in the event yourself. When you are playing your game, you can only focus on what is happening in your game versus when you are almost feeling it across multiple games. Also, pretty sure I mentionned that everyteam at the event has these moments and how its about to not let it pull you down and make bad decisions going forward and that requires strong mental fortitude.

It was for sure.

They sure are. Twice in a row is an impressive feat

Thank you!

Yeah, that and watching these prio rolls.

@@TheBarakDur turn 5 prio. I see a 1 one from the opponent…and a two from my own player 🫣

Hell Yea!

I am sure every team has this dice moments.

Does the Belgium community want to change that? Talked to the Capt?

@@TheBarakDur I'm a player from Belgium and have been in several conversations about the same subject. There's some grudging about how the process ,or lack thereof ,goes. Now first of all the Belgian team are good players, I know one of them and he's an outstanding person and really good player. Played against some in tournaments and they're nice people. While the team captain has said they're open to having practice days with the community they do very little effort themselves to get this on the roads, which I guess is understandable in a way since it has to come from both sides. If one's interested, they should invite them. We do plan on doing that. Other parts where there's probably some tension is how people don't know, nor is it really communicated how to apply. It's a group of people who play together, who's first to pay the fee to the organization and claim the title of team Belgium. Aside from, hang/ play with the team, there's no documentation or information given on how one could start on the road to join the team. They stopped their qualifier tournaments a few year ago, there's no ranking or anything. It's a far cry from how some other countries make their teams, looking for the best players (and also those that get along, team spirit is very important) or how they have huge tournaments set up as a recruitment pool like France. They're also all from the French speaking part of Belgium, which could also rub people the wrong way sometimes, and I've heard but can't confirm because I don't know half the team, that 3-4 of their players were from France for this worlds, which is a shame with the size of the Belgian community. Looking at their introductions on social media, I've haven't seen half the team at any Belgian tournament before. And I go to plenty. Now Walloons & Flanders is also a politically loaded subject, but I feel it's the lack of clear rules, communication, participation, community raising, appearances even (They barely go to tournaments in Flanders) that gets people riled up. We can't identify with them or be behind them because they're unknown to us. The only cheering I see is from French speaking clubs. And on a personal note, I don't care about French or Dutch speaking, or Walloons and Flanders, I go to tournaments on both sides and I love playing at them. The people are great, the games are fun. But I'm a sucker for fairness. I think more effort should be put in, everybody should be able to apply or have a know how on what steps to take or requirements to fulfill. Fair chances for all is what I stand behind. A I'm 100% certain that with more community raising and involvement done by the team, Belgium could produce so many good players. It's often said , you're only as good as the people you play.

@@TheBarakDur why does talking to the captain matter though since he cannot be swapped for not being fair ? I am from a country that we couldn't even make a team because the previous captain stopped but hated everyone playing the game and kept the ring so none could go until it "expired" just to mess with everyone. Where I'm getting at is that, is that the captain system is non existent and the root for many of the problems for the vast majority of the countries :)

Most people might not know this and this is very well articulated anywhere but if a coalition of players from a country feel that their captains are not doing a good job at selecting players that are representative of their countries. They can work with the AoS Worlds Admin & Ref team to have the captain spot for that country be pushed to someone else. We of course prefer if those situations be resolved by the individual country communities and we would of course try to mediate this outcome first.

If enough players from Belgium reach out in unison to the AoS Worlds admin staff and refs team, we might be able to try to understand if there is a solution to this with the respective captain but we are always going to try not to invervene as much as possible unless of course it is apparent that the team is not actually representing that country.

I am looking for a whole new model line update to align to the new aesthetic from the Flameseeker s:P

I appreciate that. Please do swing by and say Hello!

For the most part Blisterskin can operate closely to a Morgaunt list. Really digging into the Curse access.

My brain literally just turns off that noise didnt even notice it was going off lol

@@TheBarakDur haha 😂 I do value the effort in making these videos though, so thanks a bunch 🥳

For real holy shit made it so hard to watch

@stark i am so sorry.

I hope so too as well.

Lol Serious Video requires serious head.

@@TheBarakDur giggles. Thaaaaats what she said 😂😂😂😂

Thanks!

I typically actually take as much wide space as I can so it varies.

Thanks man! Yes it went well for the ol Warden block.

Wardens hit hard in bigger blocks. Took down Karazai with 20 last night. My surprise unit once powered up with power of hysh and aod or aetherquartz