@@heathparks-i3d i heard that too. In my other video i believe i show the linkage bracket to the transmission. I overlaid the stock gtp bracket w the cadi bracket on the trans because the shift cable locking tabs are a different size, welded the bracket and painted it. Slotted the holes in the bracket for adjustement. Made sure my starting point was good. Stock gtp shifter
@heathparks-i3dКүн бұрын
that is the stock shifter right have you had any shifting issues i want to do this with my impala ss
@josephnowakКүн бұрын
@@heathparks-i3d i didnt have any issues with it lining up. Double checked the linkage to make sure it was in the detents. Lines up fine
@SS_Garage_13 күн бұрын
Thank you sir!
@adamballinger135814 күн бұрын
All cool stuff but we dont drive flow benches we drive cars with engines so lets see it on a running engine!
@Whatyoumaketoday20 күн бұрын
You could do this with an impala ss?
@josephnowak19 күн бұрын
@@Whatyoumaketoday if its got a 4 speed auto it should be similar.
@garycarbonneau49921 күн бұрын
Could you PLEASE put up some drawings showing exactly where the improvements were made....lm old and can't see well! Haha
@jeffreyurbain960421 күн бұрын
That’s a nice surprise. Great work, thanks for sharing this awesome information. Can’t wait to see what’s next.
@6percentrecycled22 күн бұрын
I'm very happy for my friend Dan "Mister Carb", from NGG, that his fuel toilet is much improved! Thank you for helping him test all the work he did👍
@thejunkyardnecromancer25 күн бұрын
I can't believe the Playdough Carb worked!!!! Hahaha.
@newguysgarage680225 күн бұрын
Wow! So over the stock carburetor we are over 100CFM more, double the booster signal, with keeping the stock venturi diameter and butterfly diameter 😮😮😮 That is crazy! 😂 So the booster signal doubled this time compared to last time meaning it should keep up with the additional 100cfm correct? 🤔
@josephnowak25 күн бұрын
Im not sure if it good or too good. I predict itl need smaller jets. Beyond that is some uncharted territory for me on the fuel curve side. Another thing that may screw with how it works is if the fuel will still atomize correctly. The air pressure and flow numbers definitely look good. 100cfm, booster 2x
@newguysgarage680225 күн бұрын
@@josephnowak I agree it would need smaller jets, with such high booster signal throttle response would be amazing I think! As far as atomization I'm not 100% sure but I would have to think since it is being pulled on that much harder the fuel would be broken into smaller droplets when it hits the airstream 🤔 And if that is the case imagine up scaling that performance with a much larger carburetor, being able to run a big cfm carb for the drag strip yet still having the booster signal to run around on the street.....best of both worlds 😃
@dondotterer2425 күн бұрын
I'm always curious about making a deflector in the air cleaner lid. K&N dod on the 2bbl circle track lids.
@rosshopkins206326 күн бұрын
Man i did worong for the f16s in the airforce and i know how to build the jets wiring harneses but theparts where standardized and there was a technical manual. Im thinking i could do that part from scratch
@josephnowak26 күн бұрын
I ended up sourcing the connector bodies and terminals and sealed relay from ballenger motorsports and assorted wiring colors from amazon. The other way is just extending what you have and repinning. Depends on how you want to go about it and your budget.
@DeleonBrown-l8yАй бұрын
I have a 05 GXP with a 3800 engine in it can I put the Northstar transmission behind it without doing all that modification
@josephnowakАй бұрын
Youl need modifications. They dont bolt together or fit on the subframe without them.
@jplperformance9073Ай бұрын
Did you ever have a Built 4t65e??
@josephnowakАй бұрын
Built is a reletive term for me. I had a 4340 input. 300m output and 7/8 chain. I pulled the trans apart for the final time to do a checkup and the chain was either stretched or worn. I attempted to do a case brace to try to extend the life of the next chain but the mods to the case warped it. Then i turned my attention to 4t80e swap as it seemed like a better route at the time
@jplperformance9073Ай бұрын
Very nice. I'm building 2 GTP's right now. Where did you get your cam?? Is4??
@josephnowakАй бұрын
I called comp cams and told them what i wanted. I wanted something not on a 116 lsa. If you want the same cam here are the specs at .050. 228/235 .386"/.375" int/exh 112 lsa. With 1.6 rocker .617"/.600" lift. I'm using a crow 140 spring. Guides need to be cut
@chaad44Ай бұрын
Sounds good
@AverryGamingАй бұрын
Who tuned the transmission for you?
@josephnowakАй бұрын
A local guy did the initial tuning with hpt.
@AverryGamingАй бұрын
@josephnowak cool. I've got a 2002 seville with a 3800 sc in it I just need the trans tuned to start driving it
@josephnowakАй бұрын
Sounds like a cool project. The only items that needed to be changed for the 4t80e swap into a 1998 3.8sc car were input, output, and sprocket ratio to get mine to work. I also had to make a jumper harness and went w a relay to change the trans solenoid logic. I have no experience putting a 3.8 into a cadi so not sure if there are other details.
@josephnowakАй бұрын
@averryGaming my setup is a 3:11 diff. 3 things that had to be changed. Drivesprocket ratio 1:1. Pulses/rev (input) 39. Pulses/mile (output) 23434. This is using the 3.8sc pcm to control the 4t80e.
@AverryGamingАй бұрын
@@josephnowak this is the 3 things all in the speedo calibation??
@fastgtp1062 ай бұрын
Y do people waste their money on these 4 doors
@josephnowak2 ай бұрын
Just working with what i got
@derekfelber74314 күн бұрын
Whats wrong with a 4 door??
@alexsimz59332 ай бұрын
Pilow switch on the newer transmission did you hook up those wires
@josephnowak2 ай бұрын
The external switch i transfered from the original 65e. I ground 2 flats on the 80e shaft and repositioned the switch. Made some small tab brackets to hold the switch in place. Didnt have to extend factory wires.
@josephnowak2 ай бұрын
I havent heard the term pillow switch before. I have the manifold pressure switch wired in.
@alexsimz59332 ай бұрын
So you just matched up the 2 wires on the 4t80e TFP switch with the gtp 5 wires on the TFP. Think only 2 match rest did what leave it?
@josephnowak2 ай бұрын
I ran into this. I was told that to hook up what is available. For a while i drove w the 2005+ switch and through the course of debugging i had pulled the vb off and drilled the remaining holes to adapt the earlier switch. I grabbed a switch plug from a 4l60e and wired it in to where i thought that 3rd wire would go. Long story short a i never changed the input count in my file. Once i changed that everything worked. Although i havent tried it, i believe if my cal was correct from the beginning i would of not had to adapt to the earlier switch.
@alexsimz59332 ай бұрын
Oh ok cool. I thought it would work as is with Just the 2 wires trail and error. Long as everything else is hooked up it should.
@LakeshaHaywood2 ай бұрын
I have a 1992 Pontiac Bonneville and im tryna build. Engine already rebuild head gasket replaced. Everything. But im just trying get more torque power what do i need to two do?
@josephnowak2 ай бұрын
I am not as familiar with the series 1 3800 which i assume your bonne has. Id look into the supercharged setup that would of came with the bonneville ssei models
@joshuaolsen88442 ай бұрын
Wow Joe, cool flow bench!
@ColeBriden-pl3fr2 ай бұрын
You ever figure out converter lockup?
@josephnowak2 ай бұрын
I found an error in my trans tune. Correcting input tooth count from 25 to 39 allowed tcc to work with pcm command. It also allowed shift adapts to work curing firm shifts durring normal cruising. One exception is when it pops the rear knock sensor code it will default back to no tcc. Im sure there is a way to fix that i just havent put time into it.
@IbocC643 ай бұрын
I have a 1999 MXZ with 5000 miles and a 2003 MXZ with 2000 miles. I paid $1000 for the 1999 and spent about $2500 in maintenance and parts for skis, a seat, carb boots, fuel pump and carb rebuilds, Runners, windshield, plugs, brake pads, new shocks all the way around & etc. If it was a wear item it was worn out on the 1999. The 2003 had far fewer needs and was always garaged instead of an outdoor stored sled. The 2003 Was $2000 up front and cost me $1500 in repairs for new intake boots, full maintenance service for the fuel system since it sat a few years, it needed a new bumper and a new kill switch. I find that the 1999 is cheaper to run than the 2003 because repair parts for the 2003 are ridiculously expensive. Despite the 1999 and the 2003 both being 600CC engines, the 1999 is Carburated and the 2003 is Fuel Injected. You would think that would make a 2003 with only 2000 miles on it cheaper as there should be fewer attachments. But the 2003 Intake Boots were $240 each and the 1999 boots were $35 each despite looking very similar. When all was said and done after 5 or so years I have about $3500 in the 1999 and $3500 in the 2003 and both a great little sleds. I am upgrading the 1999 to precision skis to match the 2003's handling and eliminate darting this year, but other than that they ride very similar. I am looking at 2 more ZX chassis sleds. Both are renegade 600s for $500 and $550. Hopefully they don't cost me $2500 each to get them back in tip top shape, but they will need new seats and new bumpers as well as full tune up/trail ready service. If they have the EFI engines I am sure that I am looking at about $800 each just for intake boots, fuel system cleaning and chassis lubrication. When it comes down to it. It seems no matter what I buy, a ZX chassis will cost about $3000 to $4000 to put it on the trail reliably and that is if it doesn't need a rebuild.
@josephnowak3 ай бұрын
Its not that bad when you think about avoiding the cost of something new. The big thing is just trying to get one that doesn't need a rebuilt engine. But even if it does I done the rebuild in the past and it was typically around 1000 (precovid part prices). I enjoy the zx platform and only ride a handful of times a year. To me its worth it and easy to work on.
@IbocC643 ай бұрын
@@josephnowak Agreed, that is why I buy ZX chassis too. Easy to ride, easy to work on, easy to store. No taking off multiple pannels. You just open the hood and everything is accessible right there. The parts are readily available too if you don't mind Ebay or Facebook Marketplace.
@gtojohn19723 ай бұрын
great video, where did you order the heater part from - what is it called
@josephnowak3 ай бұрын
Amazon - Ac Delco 15-71149. Thanks for watching ! www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B000C9GXMI/ref=ya_aw_od_pi?ie=UTF8&psc=1
@ProdxTZA3 ай бұрын
Please tell me you’ll bring this beauty to automotion. I live in Mississippi now but used to live in the Racine area.
@josephnowak3 ай бұрын
Years ago i used to go to automotion weekend. Theres too much foolery and the town seems to not want the people there so i dont go anymore. Thanks for watching!
@josephverdone70993 ай бұрын
I was just having a conversation with a buddy who worked at airaid about a cotton vs paper. I have a KN filter and lid on a 408 sprintcar engine. Filters off perfect tune on the carburetor put the Filter on runs like shit. Great video, my buddy was correct after watching your video
@philpizzuto64273 ай бұрын
That's a really old sled, it's good that you could do your own work, because labor is really expensive and even more for labor that you can trust. I'll bet it gets up and goes now
@josephnowak3 ай бұрын
Didnt get to ride much this year but had it out 2 times. Its a good runner
@user-david62653 ай бұрын
Yeah my 283 don’t run right with air filters on
@cyrusvirus69284 ай бұрын
Stub stack seem to be a win but they're $75. I had a mr. gasket air filter spacer kit ($15 now) and one of the pieces I used as a stub stack. Just had to sand a little and tape to the base.
@alphaghost16334 ай бұрын
Saw these same results on air filter "filter" lids -- They are a performance loss every time The thinking was it causes to much turbulence - I think it was David Vizard that did the test t
@johnbnos9444 ай бұрын
That's not all that needs to be done. It needs bigger needle and seats and air bleed change, plus take the screw in jet extensions out and change to the ones from holley that fit over the outside of the jet, the screw in ones have too small a hole and restrict the jet flow for e85.
@josephnowak4 ай бұрын
I should have mentioned the needle change. Its in the quickfuel instructions. I bought stainless needles and put them in the chrome bowls. Chrome bowls arnt necessary but they are more resistant to corrosion. The jet extensions are drilled but maybe the slip fit version would do better? The airbleed setup is really close to what it was. I did play around with it a little because i had airbleeds to try. Thanks for commenting!
@user-uj5kn6co5q4 ай бұрын
Here is a dyno test that had a tapered back plate making less power than a right angle back plate. why? kzfaq.info/get/bejne/kJipZZB-ttirf2w.htmlsi=029nsgVzYt0zsgqI
@josephnowak4 ай бұрын
I dont have a direct answer but mainly thoughts on how much further this shouldbhave gone. This shows how finicky air flow can be but it also leaves dyno related questions unanswered. They had wideband oxygen sensor data - if you look at the setup its there. It would of been nice to see that data or at least touch base on if it was the same or different, if there was one in each bank even better. A test without the element installed would of been nice too - it would eliminate the question about the step in the base. With carbs its not just the air but also the fuel and what the air flow does for pull on the fuel circuit. There is also fuel and air distribution that is a unique ingrediant with a vtwin - one cylinder will pull hard than the other due to the uneven crank angle between firing cycles which makes the jetting a compromise. Overall i enjoyed the video.
@antwaunkent56545 ай бұрын
Have got to show your build!
@josephnowak5 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@cwmotorsports44975 ай бұрын
🎉🎉🎉. Thanks for sharing
@robertwest30935 ай бұрын
That's one high quality engine combo! This is the kind of information I like seeing in these types of videos. Knowing what to look for when buying an assembled engine can pay off.
@josephnowak5 ай бұрын
In one of the text descriptions in the video I made a mistake calling it a 650. The results faked me out. Its an 1850-3, 600cfm.
@stuartwall82125 ай бұрын
Thank-you Joseph and New Guy for putting this out there. I will be running this all through my noodle brain. I may have to build a modified version to swap with the one I am running just to see what there is to see. One thing I will say.....Ahem.....with tricks like this, is it wise to run 2 carbs when one flows so much? 😱😱😁😆🤣🤣😛🤪😜
@newguysgarage68025 ай бұрын
This was only the beginning lol This is step 1 of a multi level modification experiment! And I am shocked this little bit did so much, I am extremely excited to see what the next phase will do! 😃
@josephnowak5 ай бұрын
More than 1 is great. Cant go wrong either way 😁
@stuartwall82125 ай бұрын
@@newguysgarage6802 lol...I will watch it even if you stub your toe. I will never complain about someone trying stuff. Keep it up.
@newguysgarage68025 ай бұрын
@@stuartwall8212 oh ya! I got plans that I dont think many people have ever seen or tried before lol
@newguysgarage68025 ай бұрын
Holy shit!! 😲😲 .....I was not expecting THAT BIG of a difference at all! 😂 And that was just the basic stuff, I am very excited to do the more outside the box stuff next!!
@joeporter62215 ай бұрын
Eleventy Million for sure
@josephnowak5 ай бұрын
We forsure wanted them after outflowing the bench on several points that we thought we would have. Just shows how much we underestimated the improvement
@newguysgarage68025 ай бұрын
@@josephnowak hell I was the one who made them and even I wasn't expecting anything close to that big of an improvement 😂
@newguysgarage68025 ай бұрын
Hell ya! Lets see if it actually makes a difference 😂
@josephnowak5 ай бұрын
It does!
@norbertosoto37335 ай бұрын
Been doing this since the 70s put a spacer underneath the carburetor
@brandonnicholls60955 ай бұрын
Heck yeah, I’m excited about seeing this Joe
@alfredobrignoni84046 ай бұрын
Did you have to re tune it to make the transmission work correctly with the l67?? I’ve been sitting on one in my garage for a while
@josephnowak6 ай бұрын
Yes. I did relay to invert the 2-3 shift logic although there is a way to fix that just with tiny tuner. Pulses / rev 39. Pulses / mile 23434. Drive ratio 1:1. Im running a 3.11 gear. I also have an older swap video that is ~ 7 minutes long that you might be interested in
@jacobcurran55436 ай бұрын
I'd like to see a 14 inch velocity stack base
@kyledennis18026 ай бұрын
What was your original mpg on 116?
@josephnowak6 ай бұрын
On pump premium i am between 12 and 14 mpg. 3.70 gear. Gear vendor OD.
@jplperformance90736 ай бұрын
Very cool video
@josephnowak6 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@jeremyfoster97396 ай бұрын
I will stick with K&N filters
@mikeg32026 ай бұрын
got a gtp stock trans has is3 cam and all supporting mods with a 100 shot of n20 ran a best of 12.1 with a soft 60 ft to help the trans live as well as not spraying between shifts
@josephnowak6 ай бұрын
Thats solid - Its good to hear that others are still playing with this old almost forgotten platform. N2o might be in the distant future. I want to try to max it out as it is first. All the weight will be left in. Its a nice driver and cruiser.
@BrianNC816 ай бұрын
Using OEM pf66 so they can't hassle me if something failed while under warranty.
@josephnowak6 ай бұрын
Thats a really good point. For the little cost difference and the potential hassle its probably a good choice. Saving receipts help too
@racerd96697 ай бұрын
You are flowing the carb wrong. SF makes a fixture for carbs, where you flow 1 BBL at a time, so you can get true CFM.