So…. I noticed ridind rs bushings bs is doable and actually improves the ride allot, it feels like it keeps the geometry better. I’m going to cnc cut some super thin carbon fiber washers to use bs and cancel out the key groove
@rafariegoa7 күн бұрын
If this fails I’m modifying some fatcones and canons
@Santanero-lo4qt11 күн бұрын
Hey Owen I wad wondering if you could make an in-depth video on bushing setups. I personally don’t understand why people run different bushings boardside and roadside and stuff like that, so was wondering about that stuff.
@owencampbell77710 күн бұрын
That’a a great idea
@michaelwagner641013 күн бұрын
Seems so weird having the narrow trucks for stability. On e skates we go wide for stability. Except for the raith vengeance, that's e skate is a downhill board specific setup and it does 80mph. But you don't need a hill, or slides. I know it isn't the same tho
@owencampbell77713 күн бұрын
Your idea that wider trucks are more stable is true. Modern trucks are so inherently stable that you can sacrifice some of that stability for better agility, cornering, and braking force.
@michaelwagner641013 күн бұрын
@@owencampbell777 I'm about pooping myself at 31mph topped out on my wowgo 3e. It blows my mind how these dudes go 60mph down a hill with a 25 inch wheelbase. I got Paris v3 7 inch RKP trucks 95A double barrel bushings with cup washers and 30 is ALL I want to do. However if I got riptides I'm sure I'd be more confident at 30. You downhill guys are nuts. I just got into skating in general a couple months ago due to falling head over heals in love with E skate.
@453971614 күн бұрын
How are they perform in wet?
@owencampbell77714 күн бұрын
Incredibly well
@zzzaaannnn16 күн бұрын
dude i would love a comparison between this modded bear and some cut off modded caliber 3s raked. some broke riders out there would love it lol i mean, i'm riding caliber 3s and cant spend on precisions...
@derowmediataskforce16 күн бұрын
SAY IT LOUDER FOR THOSE IN THE BACK!! Fuck filters! I love this shit. The same shit happened with The new Cast Rogues with the pivot pins and I do not support putting out a broke ass product just to sell the shit. I do not support this plan of selling bad stuff when the riding is at such a high degree and needs something to help push the skill with their support. They aren’t helping anyone’s skill progress.
@ChickenNoodle88316 күн бұрын
Great detail review, thank you! I too was drawn to these trucks by the narrowness and baseplate angles. Great to know the short comings.
@zzzaaannnn16 күн бұрын
i was really interested in this product, this review is gold
@jeremycoffman435816 күн бұрын
My friend modded some regular bushings to use on the Aeon and said he liked them better afterwards. I’ve been meaning to try that.
@standardguymcnormal628717 күн бұрын
📢 CAT AT 26:53 📢
@flurpoid17 күн бұрын
From what I've experienced with the Gen 1 version of these and what you said about the Gen 2, the bushings are like an overthought version of Venom Freerides without the ability to run anything else. Personally I'd really like to see Seismic design a traditional RKP. Every truck they've released has some proprietary gimmick that forces them into an obscure niche. Innovation is obviously important for the industry, but is the innovation surrounding these really improving anything for the rider that just running a fatter standard bushing couldn't accomplish?
@StevenGill100217 күн бұрын
I’m a lil late to this video, but I rode my zealous for several months with the stock venoms and while I liked them, I didn’t love them. I also brought mine to Tepe, and soon after decided I needed to try riptides. Sadly this video wasn’t out yet so I just had to do some testing of my own. After swapping to riptide (wfb 73/78, 93/95, plus pivot cup), I have experienced big performance improvements from the trucks. They feel better for both downhill race-y riding as well as freeride. The riptides gave me a lot more confidence doing standups at speed, and doing bigger standups at slower speeds. These were my first set of dh slalom trucks, I had tried but not owned ronins and rogues in the past, and would be hard pressed to take the zealous off my board at this point.
@StevenGill100217 күн бұрын
I also spent a good hour trying to install my riptide pivots, and had to sand the lip a lil bit lmao
@owencampbell77717 күн бұрын
It’s awesome to hear someone with a near identical experience. That’s great
@chrstndvsct618818 күн бұрын
looking forward to the in-depth review of that bear cast trucks
@owencampbell77718 күн бұрын
Unfortunately I’m not planning on doing one. I had to give the set back to the owner. I think Downhill254 has a good review of those trucks
@shoreline_boarder18 күн бұрын
Companies should pay you to do in depth prototype reviews fr. If I was a business owner, ID WANT THIS FEEDBACK before launching a product!
@owencampbell77718 күн бұрын
Thanks for the affirmation, bro. I’d love to work in product development
@fyjypko420718 күн бұрын
Im a street skater, but the technology in downhill always interested me, but my question is why do downhiller use such skinny trucks? Like i have wider ones on my deck, wouldnt the smaller truck make it less stable? Because from my experience on transiotion wider boards with wider trucks are more stable.
@owencampbell77718 күн бұрын
You're correct, smaller trucks are less stable. Downhillers used to use really wide trucks to maximize stability. As truck, wheel, and board technology got better, downhill skaters realized that modern gear is so good that you can sacrifice some stability in exchange for better turning, grip, and braking force in slides.
@fyjypko420718 күн бұрын
@@owencampbell777 oh that makes sense thank you. And have ever tried translucent bushings? Because i skate thunders and they always have clear bushings and they turn so good, and i also heard jamey foy saying the translucent bushings turn a lot better and i read some coments from people who work with urethane and they said the color effects how the urethane reacts and changes the durometer reading on it and they said when the urethane is slightly translucent it has better properties overall, so have ever tried translucent bushings?
@owencampbell77718 күн бұрын
@fyjypko4207 I buy Venom and Riptide bushings, and they don’t make translucent urethane
@skate-horizons18 күн бұрын
Phenomenal Review, you are just great at putting hard to grasp riders experience into words! I bought em for the same reason: split angle trucks, narrow hangers at a non precision price! But when trying them, they kinda were left on the pile of gear that's not that fun. it's a little sad, because they look great in theory. Still ride lots of stuff from seismic. Maybe not these...
@owencampbell77718 күн бұрын
Thank you! I also like your videos btw :)
@pezama18 күн бұрын
Nice honest review! If it makes a difference, @Skate Horizons - Michael Skates changed his Aeon's over to regular bushings with a little modification. Might still not make up for the other shortcomings though... kzfaq.info/get/bejne/Z7mDnNBzvNDKfZ8.html
@owencampbell77718 күн бұрын
I saw that, and I'm considering trying it. My intuition tells me that the walls of the bushing seat do a lot to reduce slop in these trucks. Using a bushing shape that doesn't conform to the bushing seat might make the truck feel more fluid, but at the cost of performance during horizontal loading (sliding, cornering).
@FLCL0718 күн бұрын
Was immediately curious what your take was on these when I saw the review announcement yesterday... Never watched a review that more accurately reflected my thoughts on a product. You either ride them so loose that they flop all over the place (without managing to turn much at all) or you ride them so wrenched down that they just don't feel good to ride (and still have really mid steering). I bought these in the fleeting hope that they would be better than I had heard and demonstrate the market demand for non-precision trucks with a lower degree baseplate option... but it's back to bugging Bear every so often about the ever-on-the-horizon 30 degree Gen 6 cast baseplates 🙏
@owencampbell77718 күн бұрын
Bear could solve all of the conflict and suffering in the world if they release that damn 30 plate
@tituslazare206418 күн бұрын
Unrelated to the review but what you explained at 10:35 is such a hard concept to get someone trying splits for the first time to understand 😭
@owencampbell77718 күн бұрын
Unfortunately, I see lots of people trying to use the "slalom venom bushing combo" on normal cast trucks. Sometimes I just decide to bite my tongue instead of tell them why the 73/78 - 95/97 bushings don't work on all trucks
@andrewschlup616918 күн бұрын
Owen is back at it again, really SHAKING things up with his stellar reviews. Also, who is that funky-looking dude skating behind you? He looks slow. 😅
@owencampbell77718 күн бұрын
I think that dude designs trucks. He should send me a set to review
@andrewschlup616917 күн бұрын
@@owencampbell777 hmmmm, I'll ask him and see if he has an old set laying around. 🤔
@MidlifeSkateboarding18 күн бұрын
The Aeons are a bit of a mixed bag. It's amazing that they come in many different widths and bushing combinations. They are also lightweight af. Good overall build quality. They are super stable, but what Seismic actually means is just heavily reduced turnability. The reason for this is the construction of the bushing. Thanks to the roller bar in the center, torsional compression in the bushing is eliminated to a high degree. Something you really want to have in a bushing and what is also responsible for the liveliness in a truck. For cruising they suck in my opinion. Just too stiff and restrictive. But this is something you may want in downhill. Btw regarding to Seismic Gen 1 and 2 should be mechanically identical so I don't know what's going on with that bushing problem.
@juancarloslopez108218 күн бұрын
What an excellent and honest review, keep up the good work!
@owencampbell77718 күн бұрын
Much appreciated!
@BunnyR1318 күн бұрын
I dunno what to say about them. Soon as you showed the bushings I noticed the boardside base index and thought "...that looks (self censored)". Having been a 'skater' since 1977 and in my 30's being a Surfer / shaper, I can tell you catagorically that 'Rail Match' is a thing IF you are dealing with anything other than a Single Fin Surfboard... it's to do with Hydrodynamics and skateboards dont have that cus y'know... concrete (censored) wave brah. The good bit of this idiocy is it keeps the Skate Co.s alive for those of us with brains. Sent from UK.
@Bamdoozler18 күн бұрын
For those of us that were around when these first released- none of this is new news. Which is sad because of how awesome seismic is in the wheel and (now) bushing market for the DH community. So much potential especially now that they have their own bushings. But just falls flat at every turn, literally.
@lilith-218 күн бұрын
I wonder how barrels would feel with the front truck to maybe make it turn a bit more. I know you can put two together and drill through the center to make them fit the trucks
@AdventuresInSkateboarding18 күн бұрын
You are truly value added to this community. You saved me money with these. Following your Patreon videos on them along the way helped me see they were not for me. The gear junky in me would have picked them up and learned the hard way. Stay Rad.
@owencampbell77718 күн бұрын
That's great to hear, man. I'm glad you're getting value out of the content. Stoked to have you around
@jeremycoffman435818 күн бұрын
This review is pretty much on the level. I’ve been riding the 105 for about 6 months. The longer I ride them the more the flaws come out. Like you said, I got these mainly due to their size and wish not to pay precision prices. My 130 Bears skate way better. The Aeons are pretty stable at speed but turn like crap at cruising speed. Best thing I can say for them is as far as my Libido goes they fit it great. My friend describes their action as they flop more than turn.
@owencampbell77718 күн бұрын
"Flop more than turn" is a great way to describe them
@jeremycoffman435817 күн бұрын
@@owencampbell777 Jonathan Harms deserves the credit for that. Pretty spot on description.
@eBoard3R18 күн бұрын
*Another top draw review! In-depth and thorough* 🤙🏽👌🏽👌🏽🤟🏽 The "proprietary" bushings are off-puttin but I had though it's a decent enough truck... until the things you shared! Great insights 👏🏽👏🏽
@squidsh0rts18 күн бұрын
I had the same experience in the old Gen 1s. I had to crank down the nut to eliminate the slop. It was okay, but kind of dead feeling. I went back to my bear gen 6s.
@pbskater318 күн бұрын
Great review, the detail you go in is always appreciated. I'd love to hear your take on rail match!
@owencampbell77718 күн бұрын
One day I’ll try to gather my thoughts on the subject
@brenodecastropimenta805118 күн бұрын
Great review! So impressive how deep you went this time. The printed bushing seat and other cast for comparison… really impressed
@owencampbell77718 күн бұрын
Thank you! Whenever I'm reviewing a product that I don't enjoy, I try to be extra thorough so that I can justify the criticism. Sometimes it has the reverse effect and changes my mind. This is not one of those times, lol
@LuZu_18 күн бұрын
I'm wondering if you'll try to sand the inner bushing down to fit the seat better (not that you should have to.) What if you tried printing off a seat with a smaller cylinder and make up for the rest of the cylinder radius with stuck down sandpaper?
@owencampbell77718 күн бұрын
The first suggestion might work. I think the second suggestion would throw off the geometry too much
@evilinvaderfrombe18 күн бұрын
Ah, good to know I should be disappointed in mine.
@owencampbell77718 күн бұрын
Just my opinion
@evilinvaderfrombe18 күн бұрын
@@owencampbell777 Hey, your opinion is appreciated. I went in blind when I bought my pair of 130mm's for my landyachtz ripper, as they don't have a lot of reviews. My problem is that the only thing I can compare them with are the 155mm TKP's that came with the ripper. So the only thing I can say is that they're turnier than TKP's, which would be sad otherwise. And that they have some weird overly loud clacking noise when going from side to side sometimes. I wanted a pair of RKP's in ~9inch/155mm for more freeride stuff, and was kind of undecided if I should go for aeon's or something else. So after your review I'm kinda glad I went for Caliber's (that literally arrived during me typing this). So I'll get to see how they compare soon, I suppose. Read a comment by Motion Boardshop that they have a review coming, so it'll be interesting to see what they have to say as well.
@evilinvaderfrombe15 күн бұрын
@@owencampbell777 hey, apparently my reply got lost in the void. I definitely appreciate your opinion, my reply wasn't sarcastic. I bought the 130mm's and could only compare them to the tkp's they replaced. But by now I can say I think you're completely right.
@DHdream18 күн бұрын
Id say it's bad that you are riding such small ones. You should try the 150mm or 130mm I think you have better time. How big are your feet?
@owencampbell77718 күн бұрын
All my complaints have nothing to do with the width. I’ve skated 3 other trucks at 100mm and have experienced great performance
@Kufunninapuh18 күн бұрын
I'm just one minute into this but was literally just about to press buy on a set of these. Could not have come at a better time. Really looking forward to your insights 👍
@owencampbell77718 күн бұрын
Hope it helps you make an informed decision!!
@Kufunninapuh18 күн бұрын
@@owencampbell777Guess you just saved me 170 euros. Now what I need is one cast truck to have a 30 ish degree baseplate so also f*ck me I guess. :(
@owencampbell77718 күн бұрын
Use wedged risers!! It’s a cheap way to achieve any angle you want
@Kufunninapuh18 күн бұрын
@@owencampbell777 I just don't want my ride height to be, and I quote (paraphrase maybe), ridiculous. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@dh_bean18 күн бұрын
skating cast trucks with a cig in the patch. so based.
@owencampbell77718 күн бұрын
LMFAO I forgot I had a dart on that run
@dh_bean18 күн бұрын
@@owencampbell777 fucking beast
@ruben.swanie18 күн бұрын
bro... your reviews are top tier. NEVER stop posting man your the first guy i look for when looking for a product review 😂🙏
@owencampbell77718 күн бұрын
🙌 thank you!!
@Quiadelaplatine24 күн бұрын
Hello Owen, I always enjoy reading your in-depth reviews. I am a rider who enjoys gradually increasing the speed and difficulty by gradually increasing the wheel width and decreasing the hanger length. I've recently been thinking about purchasing my first narrow precision truck. The thing I'm most interested in right now is a zealous truck, and your review was very helpful (even though there are very few zealous truck reviews). One thing I'm curious about is, does the kingpin on the rear base plate(even if wedging it about 6 degrees to make it about 25 degrees) make it impossible to core a wheel (not only small freeriding wheels but also downhill wheels with larger cores)? It's a pessimistic guess because it has a low angle and tall bushings, but I'm a rider who enjoys coring, so I'm asking just in case.
@ollie.h2o27 күн бұрын
thank you for this video, also have you been told you look like the guy from brooklyn nine-nine?
@owencampbell77718 күн бұрын
Andy Samberg? That’s a new one!
@flurpoid28 күн бұрын
What are those translucent pink wheels you're on in a few clips? They look like some cheap mids from Skateshred I've been considering.
@owencampbell77725 күн бұрын
Blank Checks
@flurpoid28 күн бұрын
To me Ronins always felt like an undoubtedly high performance truck, but overly-optimized and unfun in nature. Honestly I think they're over engineed for most casual sessions. Great for racing, but racing is only a small part of most people's skating. I've been on both generations of cast Ronin and billets from 154mm to 174mm.
@flurpoidАй бұрын
That A1 review coming soon?
@owencampbell77725 күн бұрын
I just started riding the yellow 80a, so once I have a few solid sessions on those under my belt I’ll start filming
@kingbuusaki7130Ай бұрын
These are short boards
@1MantisPhoenixАй бұрын
I had a top down santa cruz first.. Nice wheels, 97mm, no bites. Then I got a demonseed last year, 42" and it's definitely exhilirating especially for ldp, like you say it makes you stay deliberate and think of what you're doing, I don't have enough safety equipment to downhill my equipment,
@DownhillSteezАй бұрын
superb review. just ordered some cuei myself and feeling like I made a good choice. what are you rocking with for a back foot implant now? still Jon's design?
@owencampbell77725 күн бұрын
Yup! Jons design has been awesome
@eBoard3RАй бұрын
*Another banger video!* 🤟🏽⚡️🤙🏽 Keep it comin dude, love torque blocks/sicktails and boards that simulate/include one 👌🏽
@ollie.h2oАй бұрын
6ft7? holy macaroni
@juancarloslopez1082Ай бұрын
You are too tall for this board 😂, it looks like a toy when you are on it.
@brenodecastropimenta8051Ай бұрын
Such a great review! Thank you for putting quality content out there. I’m getting the patreon for sure!!!!