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@bonn1771
@bonn1771 19 сағат бұрын
Looking at this after my 810 died. Love that. Happy riding
@JamesWilliams0
@JamesWilliams0 Күн бұрын
Haven’t had any issues with the mount that came with the unit. Fits great and the unit is absolutely 💯!
@ModerateCyclist
@ModerateCyclist 22 сағат бұрын
Perfect fit for those with round bars. Aero bars can be a real pain sometimes.
@coolcatrandy
@coolcatrandy Күн бұрын
I bought the 1050 about 2 days after it was released. I own a Canyon Endurace cf-SLX and to my surprise it fit perfectly on my canyon mount, but just barely. I believe I have about 1-2 mm of spare room. Overall I love the the 1050. I've set the voice assistant to remind me of 10 mile increments. The battery life, even though it's not as long as on the 1040, which my 1050 replaced, is still everything good. I went on a 3 hour ride and still had about 83% left. The display truly is eye candy and ez to read. The connectIQ store is still playing catchup with compatibility. Other than that, the 1050 rocks. IMHO
@ModerateCyclist
@ModerateCyclist 22 сағат бұрын
Good to know it fits on the Canyon mount. I am yet to explore the voice command stuff. Might try and set it up for structured work.
@frankandreasen2428
@frankandreasen2428 Күн бұрын
min is mounted on 2 bikes on the excactly same mounts as i used for my edge 1030 and no issues at all
@ModerateCyclist
@ModerateCyclist 7 сағат бұрын
That is super handy. What type of mounts / headsets are you using?
@frankandreasen2428
@frankandreasen2428 7 сағат бұрын
@@ModerateCyclist on my gravel its a standard garmin outfront On my aero racer its a custom outfront in painted alu
@DarynRod
@DarynRod Күн бұрын
Tarmac SL8 Pro with the standard barfly mount fits fine for me. It's CLOSE but fits.
@ModerateCyclist
@ModerateCyclist 7 сағат бұрын
The Tarmac mount system seems fairly well equipped for these sorts of changes. Good to confirm thanks.
@JanKrämer-h9m
@JanKrämer-h9m Күн бұрын
Factor Ostro VAM V1 fits perfectly with the Silca 3D titanium printed mount for black inc
@ModerateCyclist
@ModerateCyclist Күн бұрын
Really appreciate this comment. I did look at that one. How is the connection point with the headset?
@JanKrämer-h9m
@JanKrämer-h9m Күн бұрын
I can post a picture later when iam home
@sharonrae429
@sharonrae429 Күн бұрын
I have a Garmin 1040 and switched from wahoo after the wahoo died. I loved the simplicity of wahoo but I have the solar 1040 and the battery life is the best and now that I am finally use to the Garmin interface I ditched my Apple Watch for a Garmin Fenix 7S Sapphire and love how much health data as Apple Watch does not talk well with Garmin. I am a very happy Garmin user
@ModerateCyclist
@ModerateCyclist Күн бұрын
I did wonder about the Solar models and how big of a factor the battery life would be. I guess it just means you rarely have to charge your device. Also very interesting about the flip from Apple Watch to Garmin Watch. I must admin part of my reason for exploring Garmin is the Connect ecosystem. It is unfortunate it is so closed off to other inputs.
@sharonrae429
@sharonrae429 Күн бұрын
@@ModerateCyclist I do audax rides and some are 400km over night and not having to charge is great. Garmin watch you can’t use as a phone but I never used that feature. I love not having to charge my watch everyday.
@ModerateCyclist
@ModerateCyclist Күн бұрын
Ok that makes a lot of sense. Epic adventures was the one thing I thought might push the boundaries. Appreciate the feedback. I have some videos planned to explore this topic more in the coming months.
@kippen64
@kippen64 Күн бұрын
It looks like a super nice bit of kit. It would be wasted on me because I don't have a power meter. If you could do a review on bicycle GPS units, that would be great. I enjoyed the review.
@ModerateCyclist
@ModerateCyclist Күн бұрын
This has got a pretty nice GPS, but certainly overkill if that is all you need 😜
@joshkwan
@joshkwan Күн бұрын
Nice video mate. I have been using the 830 for a few years now. I know it won't last forever so I have been thinking of upgrades.
@ModerateCyclist
@ModerateCyclist Күн бұрын
Thanks dude. I will let you know how the 1050 goes longer term. I am sure you could Garmin Pay epic amounts of Pastries 🥐!
@glennsullivan7029
@glennsullivan7029 Күн бұрын
Yep, been thinking the same with my 830. I'm torn between jumping now with the 1050 but really not sure on how big it is (will look enormous at first) or waiting as I am sure the next release will be a 850 with same features and screen res in a smaller unit (and smaller price than 1050).
@ModerateCyclist
@ModerateCyclist Күн бұрын
I believe a lot of the software updates from the 1050 are being pushed down to the existing units, not sure if it is limited to the x40 line though.
@kevwells
@kevwells Күн бұрын
So far really happy with my 1050, been working great, I was keen to go to a touch screen and it did not disappoint. Yep a little big, but must admit I use the size and have no complaints.
@ModerateCyclist
@ModerateCyclist Күн бұрын
How are you finding the touch screen in winter? I agree that when you use the space it feels powerful and not so big.
@kevwells
@kevwells Күн бұрын
@@ModerateCyclist Only 1 ride in the minus's C's, but no issue, but must admit that ride I did not really use the touch screen, I was in the cold box just riding haha
@MrGaryPeace
@MrGaryPeace Күн бұрын
Thanks for the review (and the Northern Beaches B-Roll). Is it just me, but I don't want that much screen on my bike. I can't help thinking it's an unnecessary distraction (rather like a bell that involves you taking your hands off the bars, looking at your comp, and requiring multilple screen taps)
@ModerateCyclist
@ModerateCyclist Күн бұрын
It is quite the adjustment to have such a large device on the headset. I don’t normally have a bell so it’s nice having the option. I wonder if you can map the bell to the extra Di2 buttons 🤔
@glennsullivan7029
@glennsullivan7029 Күн бұрын
@@ModerateCyclist Yes, you can use the extra Di2 buttons on the shifters for the bell.
@jamesrowe4861
@jamesrowe4861 Күн бұрын
G stands for Garmin and equals Gimmicks and Glitches. I wish you luck, not for me. I lost it with Garmin when they told me that there 1030 wasn’t designed to read my stages power meter, which blew me away as my 1000 didn’t have a problem. And I won’t mention there customer support or should I say lack thereof. I’ll be interested to see what you think long term.
@ModerateCyclist
@ModerateCyclist Күн бұрын
Wow that is a far from glowing review. You would hope such a large company could provide better support. What did you switch to?
@jamesrowe4861
@jamesrowe4861 Күн бұрын
I went to Wahoo and haven’t looked back, that’s about 6 years ago now, they’re simple to use and does everything you need it to. And it just works without any hiccups every time. My first 1030 was replaced under warranty, my second one which lost 2 of my rides while doing 7 peaks 🤬 and telling me I was doing 155 kmh while climbing up from Omeo to Dinner Plain amongst other issues, when I went back to the place of purchase I was told by the shop to contact Garmin direct after multiple phone calls and hood times of around 45 mins, with every time just been told to do a factory reset, which rectified nothing. With the final outcome been told Sorry mate you’re on your own. It wasn’t a pleasant experience.
@ModerateCyclist
@ModerateCyclist Күн бұрын
It will be exciting to see what Wahoo does with their next unit. I did consider upgrading from the Roam V1 to the V2 for the extra software features. It does seem like they are chasing Garmin though with some of their recent integration announcements. Sorry to hear you had such a poor experience with Garmin, fingers cross this one plays nice.
@paulw677
@paulw677 Күн бұрын
I'm a long time Garmin user and have not had any issues. Started with an edge 510 and now use a 530. I have wondered about a bigger screen but I dislike the bulk of the units. I now struggle to read some of the data due to deteriorating eyesight (age I'm told!) I guess I can get by with less data on each screen and flicking between screens using the Di2 buttons
@ModerateCyclist
@ModerateCyclist Күн бұрын
It boils down to what you want out of your computer. I see a lot of guys just rolling with 3-4 metrics. I guess you probably don't need much more, but it is nice to have. A trigger point for me was the Back of Falls at Peaks this year. I really wanted the ClimbPro style feature to help manage my effort (and morale). This experience is a lot better with extra screen real estate.
@paulw677
@paulw677 12 күн бұрын
I was lucky enough to squeeze in an afternoon ride today, it was a beautiful winters day in northern Sydney, full summer kit is all that was needed. Do you worry about all black kit for visibility?
@ModerateCyclist
@ModerateCyclist 12 күн бұрын
Sounds like the dream. The thought has crossed my mind. I ride with lights front and back, and I have been trying to pair with white shoes and helmet.
@JulAlxAU
@JulAlxAU 12 күн бұрын
I still can’t justify spending money on a winter kit, to be honest. Instead, I am wearing my Uniqlo thermal shirt under my loose-fit Pearl Izumi Quest summer jersey and its matching tights over my summer bib. It does the job by keeping me warm through the ride at a fraction of the cost.
@ModerateCyclist
@ModerateCyclist 12 күн бұрын
I think that is fair. I have been holding off for a number of years now. Leg warmers / Arm warmers are a good stop gap.
@kippen64
@kippen64 12 күн бұрын
Congratulations on the PR. That chamois pad does look cheap. That said, it does look nice. I did like the black on black look that you chose. I'll just be wearing my work clothes when I commute to work.
@ModerateCyclist
@ModerateCyclist 12 күн бұрын
Cheers mate, PR felt good. Can probably go faster on that one in the future. Commuter wear is a whole other ball game. Nobody likes strutting past colleagues in lycra 😜
@1982Cranston
@1982Cranston 14 күн бұрын
Criminally underated video
@ModerateCyclist
@ModerateCyclist 14 күн бұрын
Thanks Cranston, I appreciate the feedback!
@tonyarmstrong2325
@tonyarmstrong2325 23 күн бұрын
Did it 3 times, all pre covid. Never cracked the 10 (family commitments = poor training) Similar lead in every time, 3 month prior 20'ish hours training per week, mix of Beach Road, trainer programme and adding hills and 10 hour rides in the month before. The best result (10.18) was getting into the early gate and cracking the descent. Newspaper down the front of the jersey to stay warm, dump it at Tawonga before the climb. (Fattys go down fast). Holding the wheel of every one who came past from then on. I also learnt how to add / remove layers on the bike. Year 1 I lost at least 20 minutes pulling over and adding / removing layers for descents / climbs. You can never have to many gear inches, ever, like ever. Spinning 80 rpm on the meg on a 50/34 - 11-36 while passing folks standing up grinding their semis with 25’s was the (very brief) highlight. Tins of creamed rice in the lunch pack (other option was the provided curry bread roll 🤢) Tear tops means you can chug 600 calories in < 30 seconds. Put more mars bars and cans of coke in your valets than u think you can consume, then double it. If you don’t drink it, you can sell the coke can for 100 gazzilion dollars to the struggling dentist on the Pinarello (no offence to either … but I made $400) Don’t get cocky on Hotham. You’ll think you’ve finished, you start pushing it and then Hotham V2 waves her little “oh hi” middle finger at you and drains your will to live. Trust your Garmin … when it says there’s more to come, there really is more to come. Never stop moving, even if it means walking, just don’t be stationary. If you have to walk, fold your socks down over your ankles in your shoes so you don’t blister (year one lesson) or just ride SPD’s Pack a foil blanket … I gave mine to some pour soul on back of Falls who looked like he was being given last rights ... by himself, I hope he made it. Cry when you see the dam (mandatory) and don’t drop your chain 30 metres before the finish line (those photos never go away). Best and worst day hours(s)of my life
@MatthewBlue-yg1wk
@MatthewBlue-yg1wk Ай бұрын
Sounds like they need to add another category: like a+,A,BC ? The other trouble with 5 minute power and or ftp test, is people can easily compromise the test, by not exceeding the numbers they want to stay in B?
@ModerateCyclist
@ModerateCyclist 28 күн бұрын
Seems like we are getting our wish. Racing score should help address this concern.
@MatthewBlue-yg1wk
@MatthewBlue-yg1wk Ай бұрын
How do you take any racing on zwift seriously, with all the silly things allowed to reduce time that have nothing to do with real racing.
@ModerateCyclist
@ModerateCyclist 28 күн бұрын
At the end of the day, power is power. Improvement in one will improve the other. But Zwift Racing and Road Racing are very different and we should hope for them to be exactly the same. I love doing long Gran Fondo road races, but couldn't imagine anything worse on Zwift. I love bunch sprinting at 13wkg on Zwift, but would fear for my life IRL.
@jamesrowe4861
@jamesrowe4861 Ай бұрын
It’s interesting you mentioned Whoop. I had one and it didn’t even see my subscription out before realising it was junk. The reason I say this is I raced the Long Dirty Warrny a 250 km gravel race (have done twice now), although I’m sure you’ve heard of it. The following day after the race, I was feeling a little worse for wear and yet my Whoop recovery score was at 96%, tbh I felt like I’d been hit by a truck. So for Whoop to be telling me I’m ready to perform at my maximum was an absolute joke. My TSS just for the race was in excess of 550. It also did this to me on a couple of 200 km plus gravel training rides. When I asked it’s AI chat how this was possible it advised me to call emergency services if I was feeling suicidal. Wtf!! After that it went straight into the bin. Cheers and keep up the great content, love the new editing.
@ModerateCyclist
@ModerateCyclist Ай бұрын
That is a pretty poor experience with Whoop. No wonder you decided against it. My experience has been better than that, but I agree it definitely has misfires. The tech in an Apple Watch is 10x better, but what Whoop does with the data (assuming it is correct) is miles ahead. I am definitely going to do a more in depth video on my decision making process as my renewal looms. How did you go in the Warrny?
@kippen64
@kippen64 Ай бұрын
I'm in Melbourne. It's been so cold. The gravel bike interests me. What end of the gravel spectrum are you aiming for? Light gravel or something more gnarly? I also need more kilometres on the bike. Not feeling the motivation for that at the moment.
@ModerateCyclist
@ModerateCyclist Ай бұрын
Looking to expand the horizons. Probably will try and get to Gears and Beers later this year. Not sure if that is considered gnarly or not. The rain has been the biggest downer in Sydney. I was all ready for a ride this morning and then it started again. 100km on Zwift instead...
@markreardon6663
@markreardon6663 Ай бұрын
Winter kit out here in the Valley. Compression long thights with fleece lined leggings over the top and knicks. Long sleeve thermal under shirt, jersey and wind jacket. Thin fleece gloves with thicker full finger gloves over top. Thermal neck warmer, Thermal skull cap under helmet. Fleece lined shoe covers over cyling shoes. Snug as a bug in 0°C temps.
@MrMartin246
@MrMartin246 Ай бұрын
This video is all whining from somebody that wants to win a race and do not want to compete with people way better than him. The issue you mention is exactly the same for a D that just got promoted to C, or a C that just got in into B. Sure as you go up, going higher is always harder. The real issue with Zwift is what you are doing, A riders that want to stick to B and ruin it to all the real B riders. Maybe Zwift should have an A+ category for the pros. But at the end of the day there can only be a finite number of categories and each category there are people at the top that have a good shot at winning, and there are people at the bottom of that category that have no chance of winning. That's the way it is in Zwift and in the real world too. In the pro pelotons most riders have no chance of winning any race.
@ModerateCyclist
@ModerateCyclist Ай бұрын
Thanks for watching. I worry you might have missed the point of my video. Good news is the new race score system seems set to balance things out a little better.
@MrMartin246
@MrMartin246 Ай бұрын
@@ModerateCyclist New score system looks good indeed.
@stasheAUS
@stasheAUS Ай бұрын
made me a little more motivated :D cheers
@ModerateCyclist
@ModerateCyclist Ай бұрын
Awesome dude. See you out there!
@KuriReevel
@KuriReevel Ай бұрын
And you discovered this Zwift problem in 2024? Bro, it's the same from the beginning. 😊 If you want to do some credible indoor cycling races, go to Indievelo.
@barrlley13
@barrlley13 Ай бұрын
This is essentially how bike racing works on the road, you move up and suffer.
@ModerateCyclist
@ModerateCyclist Ай бұрын
Totally right with that one. I think there is a lot Zwift could learn from how real world racing does categories.
@MultigrainKevinOs
@MultigrainKevinOs Ай бұрын
Whatever it is, B just sucked a lot more this year compared to the year prior even after my fitness and race craft had improved. Races also suffer because everyone is gun shy to do a strong 20 minute effort too. It's just dump the tank racing which absolutely sucks when you are mid grade. Sub 20 way over power efforts get you a lot of climbs and sprints that blow the doors off the mid grade competition. Not to get too salty, I do also like being pushed and don't really care about race results. But the cat system needs work and everyone knows it.
@ModerateCyclist
@ModerateCyclist Ай бұрын
It is very hard to make a break in Cat B. Largely because there is generally a lot of power resting in the peloton. You are better off just holding out until within the final 2km.
@Blitz_Please
@Blitz_Please Ай бұрын
They should go base in HR at said threshold power. If a 30 year old rider is winning a B race averaging 3.8 wpk but his average HR is 130 beats then hes obviously sandbagging the B race.
@ModerateCyclist
@ModerateCyclist Ай бұрын
Haha, I would probably be in Cat D with those rules
@Sonick88
@Sonick88 Ай бұрын
Can't believe you "only" have 874 subscriber... such a good content, and high quality video... keep on!!!
@ModerateCyclist
@ModerateCyclist Ай бұрын
Thanks mate, I really appreciate comments like this!
@donpalmera
@donpalmera Ай бұрын
The fact that there are literally people riding a bicycle shaped game controller in their living room and huffing and grunting at their TV is hilarious. Just when you thought roadies were max cringe they go even harder.
@ModerateCyclist
@ModerateCyclist Ай бұрын
Thanks for watching Don
@jokakiller85
@jokakiller85 Ай бұрын
Cool video. Consider decreasing the music volume a bit to make it easier to hear you.
@ModerateCyclist
@ModerateCyclist Ай бұрын
Thank you, feedback note. As a matter of interest, how did you watch the video (as in what was the sound coming out of)?
@jokakiller85
@jokakiller85 Ай бұрын
@@ModerateCyclist On TV through Chromecast :)
@ModerateCyclist
@ModerateCyclist Ай бұрын
@@jokakiller85 thanks Jonas, I will make sure I do TV testing for the next one.
@roeland_st
@roeland_st Ай бұрын
Isn’t it normal you find it more difficult when you upgrade from cat
@ModerateCyclist
@ModerateCyclist Ай бұрын
No arguments there, I think it is more a question of when and who should be upgraded.
@bugwan1
@bugwan1 Ай бұрын
I have half a dozen mates who ride competitively in A in club races (in real life), but can easily sandbag in B on Zwift. If you sit in and just sprint, it's not difficult to stay out of the grading system's algorithm. Perhaps more factors need to be included in the grading equation - a certain number of podiums in a given time pushes you up a grade, etc?
@ModerateCyclist
@ModerateCyclist Ай бұрын
I think this is right on point.
@jeffcreed365
@jeffcreed365 Ай бұрын
Its called Sandbagging and 8 out 10 of the top 10 finishers in A,B and C races are Sandbaggers.
@ModerateCyclist
@ModerateCyclist Ай бұрын
Who is sandbagging A? Definitely agree about the others though!
@MrMartin246
@MrMartin246 Ай бұрын
@@ModerateCyclist The pros a sandbagging A, they should not race mere mortals.
@Morten_B
@Morten_B Ай бұрын
Add weight to the problem with cat B and fixed w/KG limits. Try a 4.2w/kg 65 kg rider vs a 4.2w/kg 95kg rider - who will win? Flat - the heavy rider by a large margin. Climb - still the heavy rider, but only by a small margin. Most of the best B riders have big numbers, and alot of kilos.
@ModerateCyclist
@ModerateCyclist Ай бұрын
I think this is what keeps a lot of riders in B too. Not to mention most casual races feature very little elevation, which never gives lighter riders a chance to leverage their advantage. That said, I have a young guy in my race team who has a FTP of 4.6wkg, but he is not heavy enough to move up from Cat C. He can keep pace with Cat A through everything other than bunch sprints.
@Bollietest
@Bollietest Ай бұрын
Its like I'm watching an episode from 5-6 years ago. Has been a problem ever since, Zwift never cared about improving this. Have a look at IndieVelo, you won't get mismatched racers given they have done a few races so IndieVelo knows your power. Its super easy to implement shows the one-man army behind IndieVel. With Zwifts workforce of more than 1.000 employees, you can only conclude that racing in general is not a priority for Zwift. Their number one priority is marketing and getting as many subscribers as possible who don't use the platform. Avid racers are not withing the scope of this marketed group. It has been like this for years and it will continue like this for years as Zwift is controlled by external stakeholders who have a vision that doesn't go further than the yearly (short term) result.
@maxjohnson0703
@maxjohnson0703 Ай бұрын
I kinda like being on the stronger end of the Cat B races and being able to make significant attacks or work to pull back breaks and not just hanging on for dear life
@ModerateCyclist
@ModerateCyclist Ай бұрын
💯 keeps it interesting!
@JulAlxAU
@JulAlxAU Ай бұрын
I picked up cycling, I did a cat D race as a noob and boom upgraded to cat C! I was like, what!? 😮 Never raced again! 😂
@ModerateCyclist
@ModerateCyclist Ай бұрын
I would have expected the opposite. It's time you got your race on!
@skandhaprasath2767
@skandhaprasath2767 Ай бұрын
But how?? 😮 Just wondering: Did you win it? What's your new detected FTP that pushed you up?
@ZwiftInsider
@ZwiftInsider Ай бұрын
Good stuff. Zwift Racing Score (and hence, results-based racing categories) can't launch soon enough. Looking forward to it.
@ModerateCyclist
@ModerateCyclist Ай бұрын
Is it actually coming? I read your article about it, and it has been a while since. There is no longer any references to it in the product. I think it would make a lot of sense.
@ZwiftInsider
@ZwiftInsider Ай бұрын
Yes, it’s coming. Look for news very soon on it in fact. (Also, Zwift isn’t our product. We’re just a fansite!)
@ModerateCyclist
@ModerateCyclist Ай бұрын
Sorry I didn’t mean to type “your”. Where are you getting the intel on this from?
@ZwiftInsider
@ZwiftInsider Ай бұрын
Contacts within ZHQ! Nothing public yet, but it’s coming very soon.
@drewbuffington
@drewbuffington Ай бұрын
If your goal is to up your FTP to 4.5 you should just stop crying and race A CAT. It’s hard for everyone. More categories = less populated race. LAME.
@ModerateCyclist
@ModerateCyclist Ай бұрын
Definitely racing in A. As I mentioned in another comment, ZRL is happening at the moment, and with the 4 rider teams, there are now enough to have Divisions in the Oceanic region. Having A1 and A2 really gets the field right IMO. I agree that less populated races are not good, but I guess ultimately what I am saying is more Cat B riders should be in A.
@kamilkurzynowski3836
@kamilkurzynowski3836 Ай бұрын
Ramp overestimated my FTP by about 60-70W, I wouldn’t touch it with a 10m pole.
@ModerateCyclist
@ModerateCyclist Ай бұрын
I agree that ramp tests are not the most accurate measure. I use it because it is the yard stick I have been using. But I am considering maybe flipping to 20m tests instead.
@kamilkurzynowski3836
@kamilkurzynowski3836 Ай бұрын
I’m now on my whoosh (I’m only doing structured trainings from the coach and don’t race). I’m using power passport protocol and it’s dead accurate, completely neglects my overpowered low end.
@ModerateCyclist
@ModerateCyclist Ай бұрын
I’m going to have to check it out. Good having some healthy competition between the platforms.
@brianwhite9
@brianwhite9 Ай бұрын
Zwift math is a wild place. A friend and I have done a lot of work trying to understand it. We both are B+ and have bounced around the top end of B for a long time, yet neither of us have gotten into A for more than a few days I once did a breakaway where I averaged 350 for 22 minutes or so. I got the A upgrade with a 4.2 wkg average. zFTP of 340. The next day I did a 6 minute Petite KOM effort at roughly 400 watts/4.9 wkg and went back to B with a zFTP of 325.
@drewbuffington
@drewbuffington Ай бұрын
What is B+
@brianwhite9
@brianwhite9 Ай бұрын
@drewbuffington B+ is exactly what the video is stating. The group of riders at the top of a category that can exceed the bottom of the next category but not trip the Zwift Cat upgrade. And I race in an attacking style, not sit in and sprint.
@drewbuffington
@drewbuffington Ай бұрын
@@brianwhite9 That’s just a B. It’s clearly explained in the rules that “if your zFTP (watts) value falls in a lower pace group than your zMAP(w/kg) or zFTP(w/kg), you’ll also be able to enter the group where your zFTP(watts) falls. Its not that complicated. It’s because w/kg isn’t the only determiner for speed in Zwift. RAW watts matter too even on climbs.
@brianwhite9
@brianwhite9 Ай бұрын
@drewbuffington I honestly disagree with the hard set rules you reference from Zwift. We can debate back and forth on this. I have raced with guys who hit 4.4 or better repeatedly in B races and they stay there. It is not cut and dry as you think
@drewbuffington
@drewbuffington Ай бұрын
@@brianwhite9 4.4 what? 20min? Total?
@wesleyooms
@wesleyooms Ай бұрын
It's not a problem of cat B, it's a problem of cat A. I felt pretty good in cat B and the field was pretty fair and equal. But once you get into A it's like the wild west. All from 4.1 to 6 wkg in the same bag. Cheaters are way worse than the sandbaggers in B. In A, you have to grow up to at least to 4.5wkg to have any chance surviving.
@ModerateCyclist
@ModerateCyclist Ай бұрын
Agreed. I think 4.5wkg can compete in A.
@Dfgoodall
@Dfgoodall Ай бұрын
The flaw isn’t the categorisation. It’s the lack of tough courses. Too short climbs. If there was races with high 8 min plus steep gradient climbs you’d have much harder racing. Instead it’s just sit on and sprint with the odd couple of 2 min punchy climbs. When was the last time you did a 20 min climb full gas in a Zwift race?
@ModerateCyclist
@ModerateCyclist Ай бұрын
This is very true. For so many the ZMonthies are the primary races, and they are designed to be accessible. ZRL pushes the threshold a little more. We saw some guys upgraded this week as a result of the final climb.
@chapmandu2
@chapmandu2 Ай бұрын
An alternative approach might be to have races where risers are split up into 4 or 5 or 6 groups based on FTP etc. The top group might contain the top 25% of riders, the second group the next 25% etc. In this way as a rider you would get a mix of races, sometimes you'd be at the top of the group you end up in and competing for the win, other times you'd be at the bottom and just trying to hold onto the front group. This would also remove the incentive for people to 'hide' and make it harder to game the system.
@ModerateCyclist
@ModerateCyclist Ай бұрын
This seems to be what is coming with the racing points system. It makes it possible for "losing" to actually be "winning" when it is against tougher competition.
@andreihreapca1753
@andreihreapca1753 Ай бұрын
Zwift categories are deeply flawed, for many reasons. Also the ZRaces are short (usually on flat) efforts that rarely push people to the limits for more for a few seconds (maybe up to a 2min max effort at best). If you want to see more competitive races try one using the Zwift racing app categories. The difference is noticeable and much more fun races. DIRT and FRR use them. Hopefully Zwift will roll out racing score sooner than later and will help a bit.
@ModerateCyclist
@ModerateCyclist Ай бұрын
Seems like they are coming...
@desbrug
@desbrug Ай бұрын
Idealy you have 20 categories, so slimmer is the gap between them. But then the races will be different. I only see a ranking system with a set number of riders as possibility for this. Example: Each race starts with 50 people. The ranking devides everyone into sets of 50. The amount of riders that are left make up for the last "cat". In this way you have the more riders starting the race, the better it will fit your ability. You get ranked on your performance after that race.
@desbrug
@desbrug Ай бұрын
To add onto that: racing A cat as a B cat is the way to improve your racecraft. The way you are able to close all the gaps to each breakaway is remarkable. My 20 min power is not reaching 4,3 at all. But I am able to win with 3,4 w/kg.
@ModerateCyclist
@ModerateCyclist Ай бұрын
I think this style of grading is coming, based on what the Zwift Insider guys are saying.
@proffate
@proffate Ай бұрын
When I do ramp tests it pushes up my 5 min power but not 20m. It actually reduces my zftp because it steepens my power curve. My ramp test outcome will calculate an ftp of 340w meanwhile my zftp is under 310.
@ModerateCyclist
@ModerateCyclist Ай бұрын
I think this is part of the problem. A ramp test will over impact your zMAP, but never change your zFTP.
@zwiftrace
@zwiftrace Ай бұрын
Yeah I have been B for a long time but get dropped from the top B riders easily. But no wonder if I watch your race how you are able to hunt down breakaways that should not be possible for a normal b rider it’s all out all the time and we can’t easily go back and forth like you did it. So zwift really needs to have more categories as the fun goes down because people also like you prefer to stay b and not go to a as it’s not so cool to be dropped all the time. Welcome to the world of mid and low end of the category riders who always get dropped by a bunch of people who should be A
@ModerateCyclist
@ModerateCyclist Ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing this perspective. It is fun when I go back to B, but it also doesn't feel fair sometimes. Strangely, despite feeling in control in this race, my ability to exceed the Cat B FTP is not really there.
@tomtennant2012
@tomtennant2012 Ай бұрын
Sand bagging is happening through all the levels, just like a lot of masters riders are on testosterone, where you have competition you will always have cheats.
@ModerateCyclist
@ModerateCyclist Ай бұрын
I think you are right. If a loophole exists then it will be exploited.
@generic_cyclist
@generic_cyclist Ай бұрын
Sounds like there is space for another category but also Worth remembering that even at the professional level most the riders starting the race don’t stand a chance of winning. A lot of interesting things Zwift could try to solve. Such as handicapping by certain number of seconds based on your power curve and/or play with the aerodynamics to handicap (stronger riders get less draft) They could also try to factor in % of your best power curve, as in maybe the elastic band is harder to snap if you’re both doing similar percentages of your max for a given time frame. Difficult to optimise as you wouldn’t want to lose a sprint doing 1500 to someone doing 600 because both are 100% but that way stronger riders who begin to reveal their true signature as they get dropped or the finish approaches wouldn’t benefit as they’d still just be at 100%
@ModerateCyclist
@ModerateCyclist Ай бұрын
Ultimately I don't think it is about winning. It's about being able to be in the race. It feels much better getting dropped on the final climb, or losing a bunch sprint, than being spat out the back 5m into the race.