The rimshot makes a big difference.

Aw shucks! Thank you so much!

Haha thank you. I love my C&C’s. They aren’t going anywhere!

Yeah look, it’s a lot of money and effort for what is definitely a subtle shift. But if it’s the shift you want, you only have to do it once. But also FOH guys suck, take your girl on a date

Not sure I’d say they made the tone range wider, at least to my ears. I think it mostly just tightened things up. More of a tone shaper than a tone extender.

Oh really? I know they did internal tone control which muffled the heads, as most vintage kits did. But did they do something special that I missed?

The drums certainly aren’t dead. I feel like there’s a big misconception around resonance being the most desirable thing in a drum, especially in a studio environment. Sustain and tone are two difference things. Don’t get me wrong, I’m down for some singing drums and open tunings from time to time, but most often in a modern environment, its too much.

@@EliGreenDrums Well they certainly come across through my headphones as sounding quite lifeless, plasticy, and not having much of a tone besides the initial attack. That's fine if that's what your going for just not my cup of tea.

So I hear! Ever tried one?

What tuning trend is that? I think most people just dump their heads and muffle the crap out of them these days. These are at least tuned medium low with minimal muffling. Curious to know what you’d rather hear. I agree it would be good to be able to measure any systematic change but I think you’d need to record a much wider pool of drums to be able to draw any specific outcomes. I think what this test reveals is the consistent general effects that the product has. If you’d like to delve further, be my guest. But I will say, I think a large hall would make it even harder to tell any meaningful difference as you are increasing the room’s influence on the overall sound. My room is fairly small and not overly reflective, I think smaller differences are more obvious in a room like that. I often throw some mics out in the next room of the studio which has more of that large-hall sound, and while it sounds very cool, it’s too large of a space to feel any tangible detail for a test like this.

@@EliGreenDrums First off, there is nothing wrong or bad about your tuning. It's just that it's a tuning I don't care for and the wings made it worse. It's just my opinion though. Consider this: Isolation or suspension mounts, snare stands and all the thought and research that went in to the trend and Wings come along to defeat the purpose of all that with a metal strip screwed across the shell. I'm just guessing here about what you're hearing but sustain doesn't sound much effected but shell resonance sure is. Tuning trends. I'm almost 70 and there is way too much about this to go in to. Go back and listen to recordings over the years to hear the trends. For my tuning preference I'll give you an example. Some insight though: This is rounded bearing edges with heavy COB, (chrome over brass) inward cast rims, not triple flange. Trend? Gretsch has brought this back although I don't think they've gone to brass yet. The next iteration maybe? Remo coated Ambassador over Diplomats. Most importantly though, the drums are tuned. Not the heads. DW should have stuck to their Hayman roots. Listen to this with headphones and notice how the drum resonance cuts through and the sensitivity of the snare is always there. It's not a clone of a marching drum's dead snap. LOL, another trend. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/nJeYeKRosbyvd2w.html

Thank you for sending these to me! I’m sure there will be many more tests down the line!

Interesting! I’m not much of a piano guy so I’m not familiar with the bell you speak of, but that’s very cool to hear that there’s a transferable and identifiable sound from instrument to instrument!

That’s awesome dude, thank you! Good luck with it! It does take a little bit of getting used to.

Yo thank you! Very happy to hear that given 90% of this video is totally raw recordings.

The idea is more mass = more focused sound. Also shapes inside the shell = less weird resonances, like the basketball frequency you sometimes get in toms and kicks. The brass is supposed to have a nice resonant ring as well. That’s the idea, anyway

The theory is the same one with the snake oil. You rub it on your biceps and the next day you`re mister olympia. bs products.

This is exactly why I wanted to test it like this! People need to be able to weigh up the cost vs the potential gains!

I’m going to try them on my cast bronze snare, I just need to get some longer lug screws. I’m curious to see what they do to an already very thick and heavy shell.

Good ears bro! It was that and the attack of the snare that gave it away for me

Great summary! I think I agree!

Good guess! Thank you mate!

I definitely think the attack on the C&C snare was positively effected. You can hear in baseline test it has quite a smooth transient, but as the tonewings come in, it starts to punch more.

Thanks cuz! I reckon there’s a tonne of placebo and confirmation bias out there in gear testing. Trying to keep it honest! I think I agree with you - the natural sound for the kit is still my favourite. I don’t think it did much for the toms and kick. I didn’t mind the extra punch they gave the snare though!

Not a bad idea!

You’re 100% right on all of that. I thought about doing a recap of the individual shells as well, to better hear the small nuances, but it would have really stretched the video out even further. Also agree with what you stated about my kit not needing as much “fixing” as such. I’d be curious to try them on a more mid-range set to see if it has a more noticeable effect.

@@EliGreenDrums keep it mind for another video! I don’t know how many sets you have, but I’d definitely be interested to see how they’d work with a mid level set

Thank you! It really was a super time consuming test, but someone had to do it!! I tend to agree with your sentiments about using them as a fix for a problematic drum. Although I’d be curious to see what they could do for a real shocker of a shell. Next time I come across one I might chuck some in to find oit

@@EliGreenDrums yo, dude, by the way the latest single is great. Much love from London U.K.

I use cotton balls all the time! That’s my favourite method of controlling the resonant head.

Interesting! What about the sound changes did you not like? I’m curious to hear everyone’s perception

It’s a matter of taste, it was like a low pass filter was applied. At the end of the video when you hear it without the wings, it was much more pleasing to my ears

I don’t like the tone of the snare with the wings. It’s like it’s becoming a metal snare. But if you start with a wood snare, what is the point? Surely interesting to achieve some new sounds possibilities. But not my cup of tea 🤷

Yo this is a pretty good call. I didn’t even consider that.

I know, I've watched his videos multiple times, his content is quality 👌

You do realise the hoop has more to do with the drum staying in tune than the head? The tension rods detune from the vibration more than anything else. Especially under rimshots. Sure, the head can stretch out under heavy playing but no brand is immune to that. Also worth noting I have an Evans head set on a piccolo snare right now (it’s even fitted with triple flanges) and it detunes just as fast as anything else.

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Thank you dude!

HAHA calling it this from now on

Genuinely good idea. Something I might do down the line. But it’s not something I have a tonne of time for at this stage. Would be super cool though!

@@EliGreenDrumsyeah man, it would be nice to have quicker access to answers from you and not have to list multiple in a KZfaq comment. A perk of a Patreon member perhaps. But I totally understand not having that kind of time. Just a thought, rock on man.

The head holes definitely made the greatest impact overall!

THE BLACK DREAD 😂 I kinda love it

@@EliGreenDrumsplease do 😂

Thanks a lot!

I do it, but you gotta be a little careful not to go too hard. Most heads don’t need that much stretching in.

@@EliGreenDrumsappreciate the insight

Honestly I bet you’d be hard pressed to hear a difference. I’m a remo guy myself but both heads will sound great

Thanks dude! The Soundcraft is a sick little unit. Definitely capable of a lot more than people might realise