Well he is in a power struggle? If he went into prisons and said that.

A moral god would not deceive anyone.

Dawkins "evidence" relies on miraculous mutations that "poof", formed new structures and systems. Just watch how he tries to explain the development of the eye. He talks bs and alway has. He refuses to believe in God and will believe anything else.

14:50 ah yes, the "if i yell louder and assert my point without substantiating it or hearing out the counters, i automatically win" strategy that theists love. It's worked exactly 0 times, but that won't stop them from using it.

A moral god would not deceive anyone.

It's ridiculous how the theist quotes the Bible to confirm what he decided to believe, but discounts all of the passages that don't comport with his beliefs.

"One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we've been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We're no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It's simply to painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we've been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back."-Carl Sagan.

If you believe that the universe is an intellectual problem - laced with whiskey - then Hitchens is your man.

The second guy is clearly a prophet! He somehow had another power point to counter the first guys second argument!

At the beginning i wanted Mike to do well. At the end I think he did really well.

Evolution takes a long time. Sometimes you have to build an arc.

*ATHEISM is a RELIGION!* Atheistic "scientism" is an article of their personal FAITH and as such in denying religion is the worst of all RELIGIONS being a total deception and confusion of lies and half truths. Scientism thereby proves there are such things as BAD RELIGIONS but does not prove all religions are bad. Biblical Christianity is the best because it is based on verifiable history and verifiable science as truth: The lie is ORDER can spontaneously emerge from DISORDER on a continuously increasing scale.. It can't which is why atheistic scientism hides the truth by confusing the terms ENTROPY and INFORMATION! Then you have verifiable truth in the Bible; _"the wicked hide the truth"_ Rom 1 _"God stretched out the heavens"_ we only discovered space is an elastic media after Einstein's relativity _"The life is in the blood"_ when medical science believed bleeding people was a cure _"what is seen is made out things that do not appear"_ verified after Heisenberg's uncertainty principle _"he made of one blood all the nations"_ when evolution considered native people sub-human *WAKE UP PEOPLE YOU'RE BEING LIED TO!*

Dan Baker you are a dumb ass . End of story

These events are not debates and all parties know this. The 2 rational men do not speak the same language as the 2 mystics. It is kind of sickening to hear the mystics talking nonsense because they know that they are cheating by refusing to acknowledge that nouns must point to tangible things, not to intangibles. One side is talking about objects of experience while the other is talking about unicorns, demons, and other fictitious phenomena that are part of inferior literature. Listen to their words. Words describing concrete objects vs words that are purely without any concrete referents. The mystics cannot accept that knowledge is either math and logic (a priori) or empirical. Thus there is no debate, just entertainment. Sam and Michael are getting good publicity and i enjoy watching them, but i think they are almost debasing themselves to be in the company of these 2 mystics, who might be charlatans. They remind me of televangelists.

Shermer and Harris are good guys. No woo woo, just the facts ma'am.

Apparently this man doesn't understand biblical hermeneutics and that the historical narratives were written as "stories" with literary qualities. His argument is pointless.

In the post-flood world three of the oldest civilizations (China, Egypt & India) are all supposed to be descended from the sons of Noah (Japheth, Ham & Shem) but their histories go back thousands of years before Noah's sons were even born.

He is no longer with us but how fortunate we ardent followers of Hitchens are that we can hear him again and again and again and marvel at his great mind. He comes back to us and am grateful for that. I am from imdia

There's a line in Shakespeare that says, "I would invite you to a battle of wits, but I see you are unarmed." That's Carrier. And yes, there is a tremendous amount of documentary and contemporary eyewitness evidence that The Bard did exist.

Study Greek, doesn’t justify believing in ridiculous myths….Dan has too much knowledge and facts to be out debated by a fool with just a belief…

Some people write a story and millions believe it because it's shoved into their heads from an early age.

- I Can N O T Think Of A N Y O N E Who - - - . . . Here // Now // Today . . . Intellectually // // Passionately / Compassionately // And Frankly . . . Fearlessly Insultingly // Rudely (( that ' s a compliment )) A D V O C A T E S In Upholdance Of A T H E I S M . Advocates A G A I N S T All Things Religious . A N Y -- -- O N E ? ? ? ? Sam Harris ? ? Hell No ! ! ! ! Sam Is Too Nice . Richard Dawkins ? ? ? ? ? Again . . . Nope . Rich Is A Scientist . H I s Insulting Tone Is Not Tempered With Socio // // Historical Compassion . - S i r Christopher Hitchens . - I Miss Him I M M E N S E L Y . - I M M E N S E L Y . -

People who believe in fairy tales should not be allowed to vote.

At 20:30 or so he said North Korea is not a religious state, but isn't the kim's have been proven to be a man turned in to a deity after death as their fearless leader and God, and that is to be worshiped with an iron fist all throughout that state fervently and with detrimental consequences if not compliant? Also didn't Hitler operate in nazi Germany which encompassed the Catholic population with no disapproval or condemning from the Papacy?

Did Jesus ever exist al ALL? I doubt it. If he existed and was "divine" one would think that he would have made sure that there was tangible evidence, and I don't mean the so called "gospels".

150 years since Darwin and still not a shred of evidence for evolution . Richard Dawkins never presents any evidence for evolution . Dawkins is like a catcher on a losing baseball team . He talks a good game , but nothing else .

I would be happy to argue for the existence of God, but to defend the Old Testament, that's an impossible task.

A very boring talk with no evidence but pure asumptipns.

I also think that what confuses people is they just cannot get their head around the vast time scale of years evolution took to produce US.That is where geologists can help to understand evolution when we look at the shape of countries coasts and see when we pull them together how closely they can fit like a jig saw.

If i had the power i would make sure that every school private and public by law should teach every pupil about evolution...because we can prove it .Not one religion on earth can disprove it .

One of the better, respectful debate from a theist that I've seen. 🙂

What an incredile man. R.I.P Chris

You cant get through to theists my bro is 74 and a jw,for about 50yrs, when i say things like dan to him ,i always get a feeling of smugness off him ,like its the devil talkingetc that how they have been brain washed, its so hard,and frustrating ,i know its their EGO is massive they care only for the carrot in front ,ta

Why did Tom keep mentioning the Essenes halfway through if they were a sect? If a group is heretical then there is less plausibility in what they teach.

Like the way Carrier takes over this debate.

Why didn't god tell Moses that humanity will have planes, trains and automobiles. I would add cell phones, too.

Yeah... And these bible characters have western names while living in the middle east... 🤔🤔🤔

Your fucked up head and brain is a myth

I knew most of my classmates from elementary school to be raised in Christian homes and churches. In those days, every school day began with Christian devotionals. Christianity was a major element in society and culture. My friends were religiously and culturally indoctrinated as children, when they trusted authorities and before they could reason critically on their own. Today, many years later, I know most of them to still be Christians. Firmly entrenched in the beliefs they accepted as children, they remain committed to those beliefs like children. I'm not sure what made me different, but I was never a believer, even though I was raised in the same churches, schools and culture. I read secular books and practice my art during "big church". I remember well understanding that Santa was just make believe by the age of four, and figured that other kids were just pretending to still believe out of fun. The only thing I can figure that was different for me was that I grew up around the movie business, and, seeing firsthand how they were made, was very aware of the reality behind the pretend. Today, I look as my old classmates - and other believing adults - like children who were never allowed to grow up, and it saddens me in a way.

Their more informed about the lies in the Bible

Was Jesus Greek?

"One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we've been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We're no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It's simply to painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we've been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back."-Carl Sagan.

So, if you believe in miracles, the bible is perfectly acceptable history. Got it.

"Religion began when the first scoundrel met the first fool." Voltaire

The "horrible fiction" is this guy's spiritual intelligence.

Theist Boy should've defined what "giant" is. As a Filipino, most Americans for me are giants because they are relatively taller than us.

Why this theist debater talks so fast?

We can’t even demonstrate that jesus was a real person, let alone one who was divine and rose from the dead. The claim of jesus being resurrected is just that, a claim. You cannot use the claim as evidence and if Christianity as a whole hinges upon said claim, then it’s safe to say that the religion debunks itself.

Bible guy said "uh" 347 times.

I feel sorry for Carrier. Smith is a liability. If RC chose him as his sidekick, his judgement was poor.