Using quick sabre cuts: feat 1796
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@sinisterswordsman25
@sinisterswordsman25 Күн бұрын
it is interesting that they essentially became trendy. kinda like jeans... but a sword 🤘💀 my grandpa use to call my dad's jeans "farmer pants" and made fun of him for wearing them.
@Rapiersdelight
@Rapiersdelight Күн бұрын
Great video, as always!
@yashrajput1189
@yashrajput1189 5 күн бұрын
The 2nd one name and origin?
@dlatrexswords
@dlatrexswords 5 күн бұрын
This is a replica from Hanwei: the sabre of Charlemagne, which is likely dated to around the ninth century. It is representative of what many type of nomadic sabers look like between the eighth and 12th centuries used by the light horsemen of the Eurasian steppe.
@yashrajput1189
@yashrajput1189 5 күн бұрын
@@dlatrexswords that’s amazing thanks for quick response and precious knowledge.
@manchagojohnsonmanchago6367
@manchagojohnsonmanchago6367 7 күн бұрын
That mongol sabre is got some dimensions wrong about it
@dlatrexswords
@dlatrexswords 6 күн бұрын
@@manchagojohnsonmanchago6367 oh, what aspects of the Mongol dao look odd to you?
@axonator9026
@axonator9026 10 күн бұрын
Im going to get a cut looking at this thing, the sharpness is incredible
@patrickkelly1070
@patrickkelly1070 10 күн бұрын
If they would just leave off the industrial strength epoxy, a project like this would be so much easier. If it could be disassembled, a number of spray/bake finishes could be applied to the guard and pommel. These can be just as attractive and far more durable than what you've doing here.
@TheHazmate
@TheHazmate 10 күн бұрын
I KNOW THAT POKISWORD!
@elijahverchon6229
@elijahverchon6229 10 күн бұрын
Curved greatsword
@elshebactm6769
@elshebactm6769 11 күн бұрын
🗿👍
@iamalone9388
@iamalone9388 11 күн бұрын
isnt is Atilla the hun's sword?
@dlatrexswords
@dlatrexswords 11 күн бұрын
@@iamalone9388 so yes, at one time this sabre was attributed to Atilla who lived in the mid 5th century. Sabres like this do not show up for 2-3 more centuries so it is not likely to be his personal sword ;-). It is also attributed to Charlemagne who operated at the end of the 8th century, and while there is no proof it belong or was gifted to him, there is a possibility that it ended up in his possession out of the Avar wars around 800, but again there is no proof it is not a later sabre that became associated with his regalia later in the medieval period.
@DM-88
@DM-88 12 күн бұрын
I'm thinking about buying one, but I am wondering, how tight does the wood core secure the sword into the scabbard ???
@jeffdoeskungfu
@jeffdoeskungfu 14 күн бұрын
casually trims tree at the same time 😂
@FortuneFavoursTheBold
@FortuneFavoursTheBold 14 күн бұрын
Excellent wrist-powered cuts and false-edge cuts! I like how you blued the hilt fittings on the Townguard sword. It’s what I would have recommended to LK Chen to have as a default on this model.
@FiliiMartis
@FiliiMartis 15 күн бұрын
Great video, and a brave experiment. I would have not even tried. If I see any chemical that can oxidize gold, I leave it alone (I saw it as a warning on a pipe cleaning product and I put it back on the shelf). Same for stainless steel. You know that whatever oxidises that is not a run-of-the-mill chemical. It looks good though. Even if you wanted a better finish, it looks good, like an antiqued piece. And it's better than before. LK Chen should really offer these blued from the start. P.S. You know it is a knuckle bow, I know it is a knuckle bow, but every time you said quillon, I agreed with you. It shows that names are just there to help communicate, and since it was obvious to what you were referencing, my brain never challenged the name for a second.😅 I was too interested to see if the bluing was working.
@sinisterswordsman25
@sinisterswordsman25 15 күн бұрын
oh yeah that turned out great 🤘💀 I love it when you accidentally prune the trees and don't even notice. lol that's a sharp blade for sure! nice cutting brother
@Rapiersdelight
@Rapiersdelight 15 күн бұрын
That was my favorite part too!
@Rapiersdelight
@Rapiersdelight 15 күн бұрын
Lovely sword, and great cutting, as usual :)
@sinisterswordsman25
@sinisterswordsman25 15 күн бұрын
@@Rapiersdelight haha yeah man that's how you know you've got a good edge! A little incidental contact is all you need to cut something
@pinarppanrapir9489
@pinarppanrapir9489 16 күн бұрын
That's quite the taper towards the point.
@plethodon1575
@plethodon1575 16 күн бұрын
Awesome swords! Try keeping the edge straight when you cut, it should help with cleaner cuts
@WhatIfBrigade
@WhatIfBrigade 16 күн бұрын
Grey is my favorite color, but I also love silver, this project has tempered my desire to blue a sword. Not saying I won't, just gonna make sure I allocate a lot of time!
@dlatrexswords
@dlatrexswords 16 күн бұрын
@@WhatIfBrigade time is absolutely a requirement! Don’t rush it :)
@WhatIfBrigade
@WhatIfBrigade 16 күн бұрын
I'm sure this was a frustrating project, still I appreciate you showing that it isn't always easy!😅
@dlatrexswords
@dlatrexswords 16 күн бұрын
@@WhatIfBrigade hahah there were times I was ready to toss everything out! :) the best laid plans …. It really is a nice sword, and this seemed great on paper, but as always the devil is in the details.
@WhatIfBrigade
@WhatIfBrigade 16 күн бұрын
@@dlatrexswords It actually looks nice near the end and I'm sure most historical examples looked worse!(
@kaoskronostyche9939
@kaoskronostyche9939 16 күн бұрын
This was great. Thank you for sharing this. I have been long under the impression that Stainless could not be blued. I wonder if it is just a characteristic of Stainless that is causing the unevenness, etc. I agree a good quality brush would be good and, of course, dissassembly would make it easier. I have the Windlalss version which I bought as a "project" sword and I intend to blue that hilt too. So this was something directly related to my future plans. I look forward to you sharing any further work on the hilt that you do. Very curious as to the results on the Stainless. BTW, your sound was a bit low in the first part but not as bad as last time. In part two it was pretty good. Anyway, thanks for this. I found it very valuable. Cheers! See you again.
@qeter129
@qeter129 16 күн бұрын
You know based off the live leak and war footage I've seen I actually think practicing how to consistently throw a good cut and thrust is more relevant to modern self defense oriented sword usage than HEMA. It's America day and all but a sword you can safely and cheaply regularly practice with is probably a better home defense weapon than a pistol or a shotgun, much less likely to impulsively kill yourself with a sword too.
@WhatIfBrigade
@WhatIfBrigade 16 күн бұрын
As an American living in France, I'd say swords are probably more relevant in some countries and having seen the Mythbusters 21ft rule a sword has significant advantages at across the room distances especially defending against knives which can be a difficult problem.
@kaoskronostyche9939
@kaoskronostyche9939 16 күн бұрын
Yes, a shorter sword and a bulletproof Rotella. What could go wrong?
@qeter129
@qeter129 16 күн бұрын
@@kaoskronostyche9939 Obviously expected contact range is very important but look at the number of mass shooters stopped by un-armed civilians, the will to fight is more important than the weapon and there are no guarantees either way.
@superfatbobtail
@superfatbobtail 19 күн бұрын
2:16 In Cantonese, it is also called butterfly sabre "Wu dip dou" Bat jam do is the name of Wingtsun double sabre fencing.
@WhatIfBrigade
@WhatIfBrigade 19 күн бұрын
Ch-ch-ch do-de-do-de-do.
@dlatrexswords
@dlatrexswords 19 күн бұрын
@@WhatIfBrigade 🎶
@joshuapena4684
@joshuapena4684 19 күн бұрын
Look at the flick of the wrist
@TONEDEAFSOUND
@TONEDEAFSOUND 20 күн бұрын
wowww excellent cut
@FortuneFavoursTheBold
@FortuneFavoursTheBold 20 күн бұрын
I totally agree that wrist-powered cuts should have similar rate of motion by the user as thrusts, and if you count the distance the tip travels, cuts are actually faster than thrusts. Now you can argue that you don't necessarily have to even move to execute a thrust, if your opponents is silly enough to run onto your point, while the velocity of a human moving onto an edge isn't likely to cause any significant cut whatsoever, and even making a small cut motion would be slower than keeping the point in a position to skewer your opponent.
@manchagojohnsonmanchago6367
@manchagojohnsonmanchago6367 20 күн бұрын
I find it curious he said when no travelling they typically went unarmed vs england of the time where people were wrmed most of the time with several arms, a dagger, sword pistol ect.. but only heavily armed themselves for travel..... Which is curious... Maybe urban banditry was not so common and the ottoman urban areas safter than english urban areas or maybe it was considered bad for or rude to be armed in social settings..
@kaoskronostyche9939
@kaoskronostyche9939 20 күн бұрын
Curious as to why you choose the LK Chen 1796 over the Windlass version? BTW, nice cutting.
@dlatrexswords
@dlatrexswords 20 күн бұрын
@@kaoskronostyche9939 so this particular sabre was sent to me for review: ideally I’d like to compare the windlass example to it to be able to see how each one does side by side. Several friends have the windlass and while it is another faithful reproduction and less expensive than the LK, most folks seem to say it has QC issues. Perhaps the LK version is a bit more consistent, but I’d need to see both to say for sure.
@kaoskronostyche9939
@kaoskronostyche9939 20 күн бұрын
@@dlatrexswords OKay. thank you for the reply. I have not heard about the QC issues with the Windlass 1796. The few reviews I have seen give it a pretty good rating. It is the one I have my eye on. It would be absolutely brilliant if you managed to make an in-depth comparison between the two. Anyway, thanks again for the reply and the info. I guess I need to research the Windlass more closely. Can you direct me to any reviews talking about the QC issues? Be well. See you again. Cheers!
@kaoskronostyche9939
@kaoskronostyche9939 20 күн бұрын
The best sword "flick" I have seen dramatized is the duel scene in the movie Deluge. It is on the TOOOB; worth a look if you are interested in this stuff.
@WhatIfBrigade
@WhatIfBrigade 22 күн бұрын
Wouldn't want a light tap on the wrist from either of those. Seems like an immediate need for a prosthetic hand.
@manchagojohnsonmanchago6367
@manchagojohnsonmanchago6367 22 күн бұрын
Throwing maces was comon among the mongols, kipchaks and other turkic nomads, even to this day throwing maces are made and used by mongols in inner mongolia and they can be made to hunt with to kill game like gazelle, wolves ect
@russmitchellmovement
@russmitchellmovement 22 күн бұрын
Nicely done! Remember that when you're cutting these kinds of targets, you're going to aim for the soft bits anyway because you don't want your weapon getting stuck in them as they ride by... That's a death sentence on a battlefield.
@dlatrexswords
@dlatrexswords 22 күн бұрын
@@russmitchellmovement my old jujutsu sensei always said “no matter how tall and strong the opponent, the soft bits remain soft”
@gavinrn
@gavinrn 22 күн бұрын
Really excellent. I fence some saber and have a 1796 style sparring blade on order to complement my sharp one. These swords are serious cutters. Against a soft target, they are brutal. This is why Roworth and Angelo emphasize defense so much in their fencing manuals. It’s bad to get cut with a saber!!
@alexlaguindabjr.3088
@alexlaguindabjr.3088 22 күн бұрын
There are actually curved swords in the 7th century Arabia even before the existence of king Charlemagne and his famous sabre, there are notably curved swords in the middle east (such as the Islamic prophet Muhammad (pbuh) curved sword called 'Makhdum' ). You can check it out, if this is not too christianity-favored channel.
@asa-punkatsouthvinland7145
@asa-punkatsouthvinland7145 24 күн бұрын
Not an account per se but on the bayou tapestry there is one panel that shows a mace flying through the air, presumably it was thrown.
@mikeorick6898
@mikeorick6898 24 күн бұрын
Who knows what they meant? The Slavs and Hungarians used eastern style bows and sabers from horses for a long time. The Cossacks used them against the Prussians in the late 1700s, and Russian Bashkirs made it to Paris in 1814.
@WhatIfBrigade
@WhatIfBrigade 24 күн бұрын
As an experienced marina worker I'd prefer a curved scimitar over a rapier any day for fighting aboard a ship. As for on horseback, I think the same thing is true until we get to the revolver era. After that we see thrust centric rapier like designs take over. At that point, armour no longer matters and lances are too annoying to use with pistols so we get a sword that is basically a lance.
@dlatrexswords
@dlatrexswords 24 күн бұрын
So it’s interesting a few folks are commenting about how sabres eventually became in vogue even in Western Europe. Swords from horseback were a thing from the time of the Normans during the start of the medieval period, but for a variety of reasons (terrain being a large part) most of Western Europe favored heavy cavalry. With that type of troop, a more thrusty sword with more of a focus on the point is going to work better. The Sabre really shines in light cavalry as is used for skirmishing and hit and run tactics, which didn’t become popularized across Europe until after the reformation of Poland’s military in the 16th century and the rise of the Hussars. The combination of the change in warfare, decrease in armor, and success of this military force I think allowed the Sabre to find success all the way across the militaries of the competing European powers of the late Renaissance and early modern period.
@WhatIfBrigade
@WhatIfBrigade 24 күн бұрын
@@dlatrexswords Yes. I think European armour and terrain favor heavy calvary. I wouldn't want to fight a cuirasse with a scimitar!
@dlatrexswords
@dlatrexswords 24 күн бұрын
​@@WhatIfBrigade It did seem to happen at least occasionally. I'll post a few pictures from both European and Ottoman art showing Turks fighting fully harnessed Hungarian/Serbian knights.
@BlueandGilt
@BlueandGilt 25 күн бұрын
Thank you for sharing this. Most interesting, but as you say not all that surprising either. What got my attention though is that the author specifically mentions travelling through a region of the Balkans he calls Schiavona. This is a fascinating tidbit of information as most of the researchers of the Schiavona sword only speculate on the source of the name. All agree that the design came with Slavic mercenaries hired by Venice, but only speculate as to the origin of the swords name. Speculating that it comes from Italian schiavo for slave or from a painting "Portrait of a Lady" (La Schiavona) by Tiziano Vecellio Titian. But the possibility that there was a regional identity called Schiavona right at the time that this sword gains popularity adds an other exciting possibility.
@dlatrexswords
@dlatrexswords 25 күн бұрын
This is a great point! I never considered the Schiavona connection although I'm familiar with the 'Slavic' proposed origin of the sword etymology. So my pronunciation may be compounding things, although 17th century spelling of course leaves a lot to be desired; here is how one of the passages reads. "After a dayes view of this place, we Sayled to Spalatro a City of Sclavonia, kept by the Venetians as their onely Emporium plyed successively with two Gallies, which carry betweene Venice, and that place, such merchandize as are transported into Turky-" So perhaps my pronunciation should have been adjusted ;-) That said, 'Spalatro' I believe to be 'Spalato' aka Split of Croatia. So all in all the theory does seem to line up.
@BlueandGilt
@BlueandGilt 25 күн бұрын
@@dlatrexswords I feel this adds even more weight to this being the origin of the swords name, as this city appears to be a key trading port with Venice, and could go a long way to explaining the origins of the schiavona swords' history with the City State of Venice.
@FiliiMartis
@FiliiMartis 25 күн бұрын
What's funny, it took the English (and Western Europe) about 1000 years to get to use the sabre in their militaries, something that central/eastern part of Europe kept doing from the start, only for at the end to put an estoc (rapier like) blade and generous cup hilt (again, rapier like) on their last cavalry sword (the 1908 / 1912 patterns). :)
@kaoskronostyche9939
@kaoskronostyche9939 25 күн бұрын
Your sound is weak and muddy today to the point it is inaudible even at the max of my volume settings. Your sound is often quite weak but this was very bad. Anyway, see you again.
@dlatrexswords
@dlatrexswords 25 күн бұрын
@@kaoskronostyche9939 thanks for the feedback!
@theghosthero6173
@theghosthero6173 25 күн бұрын
Iirc there is an early medieval or high medieval byzantine treaty talking about throwing maces
@dlatrexswords
@dlatrexswords 25 күн бұрын
@@theghosthero6173 awesome!
@b.h.abbott-motley2427
@b.h.abbott-motley2427 25 күн бұрын
There was a recent test of high-level HEMA fencers of Polish sabre against rapier & dagger. Now, either the rapier was rather short or the sabre rather long, because the rapier only had a slight reach advantage. In any case, despite it being sabre alone versus rapier & dagger, the sabre still went 4 to 5. That's a small sample size but suggests sabre versus rapier may be closer than many people think. Luis Pacheco de Narváez discussed the question of sword (Spanish rapier) against alfanje (Turkish sabre). There's an English translation from Xosé Nieto available. Pacheco considered the rapier (which used some cuts in his system) superior to the sabre. However, this came in the context of the established framing of Christian Europeans positioning themselves against the Ottomans. Pacheco noted how Turks very often triumphed using the sabre alone, but that this was because of the ignorance of their European foes. He went on to say that a European with a rapier who knows what they're doing should handily beat a Turk with a sabre. This is exactly how Bertrandon de la Broquière described the question of European warfare against the Ottomans in the first half of the 15th century. He mentioned how the Ottomans frequently won, but stressed they it would be easy for Europe to defeat them if Europeans got their act together. This context doesn't discredit either of the authors, but it does suggest they were addressing matters of group honor & dignity as well as theorizing warfare or fencing. Tellingly both authors acknowledged that Ottoman armies & individuals regularly found victory.
@kaoskronostyche9939
@kaoskronostyche9939 25 күн бұрын
The key phrase here is "got their act together" which, in my mind, renders all X is better than Y comparisons moot because your story clearly illustrates it was more the characteristics of the wielder than the weapon. Through history I am sure every weapon has more or less overcome every other weapon. The weapon being objective, a collection of subjective factors again render the "which is best" discussion. Cheers!
@FiliiMartis
@FiliiMartis 25 күн бұрын
​@@kaoskronostyche9939 Well, next time there's a war in Europe that requires the rest of the continent to get their act together, we will see who's right! Oh, crap... I would say 12 times's the charm, but in reality, Europe will never learn; it will never get their act together.
@irrelevantfish1978
@irrelevantfish1978 25 күн бұрын
@@kaoskronostyche9939 Complexity is not the same as subjectivity. Just because halberds aren't _always_ better than daggers, and neither are _guaranteed_ to win over the other doesn't mean it's a matter of opinion which is the better primary battlefield weapon. Similarly, one could make a case that the rapier is objectively better than the kilij for well-trained swordsmen but worse for novices, given that it's quite unforgiving of poor edge alignment/cutting technique, at best, and therefore unlikely to inflict serious injury when wildly flailed about, as untrained/panicked combatants are wont to do.
@outsideiskrrtinsideihurt699
@outsideiskrrtinsideihurt699 25 күн бұрын
Very interesting quotes. I would kill to see what these Turks looked like if they were described as “armories”. The author mentions how the rapier is better in an open civilian environment and the kilij is better when armored and mounted but I wonder what they would’ve thought about those situations separately: Like which one is preferred when armored and on foot and which one is preferred if unarmored and mounted. This is also the first mention I’ve heard of that talks about rapier on horseback. I’m reminded of a video Matt Easton made about later accounts when middle eastern and Indian warriors struggled against European swords due to them not being used to thrust from swords. Their swords were heavily cut-centric and so they were caught off guard by a thrust-centric blade. Thank you for the nice, short video. Do you know where I can find more info about those rapier manuals detailing how to deal with cutting weapons?
@morriganmhor5078
@morriganmhor5078 25 күн бұрын
There are rapiers and rapiers. I think what the author is talking about, is not that thrust-centric civilian piece, about 130-150 cm long (almost an estoc-length), but a military "rapier", shorter, broader and more cut-and-thrust (in the Middle and Eastern Europe known as kord). Also, in the fights with Turks and other cavalry, west of France palas, palos, and pala" were used, something like the longer "backsword" with (often) curved handle (Eastern sabre-like).
@dlatrexswords
@dlatrexswords 25 күн бұрын
I'll echo what @morriganmhor5078 said. We didn't go into it in this video, but the word 'rapier' here is ambiguous, and likely at the time in England referred to any complex hilted thrust-centric sword. So there certainly were ones that were longer and pointier and others which were shorter/cuttier. The German sub-set of swords called "Reitschwerts" of the 16th-17th centuries would likely be called Rapier during this period. As for manuals, I'd take a look at the featured Michael Hundt's Ein new Kůnstliches Fechtbuch im Rappier, and while it's more side-swordy I would check also out Carlo Giuseppe Colombani.
@outsideiskrrtinsideihurt699
@outsideiskrrtinsideihurt699 25 күн бұрын
@@dlatrexswords dang period people and their simplicity in naming swords. I both love it and hate it sometimes.
@hotshotrooster415
@hotshotrooster415 27 күн бұрын
I just wish they can make it with a left-handed hilt
@BartimaeusAurelius
@BartimaeusAurelius 28 күн бұрын
@6:05 😂 Sharper swords can cut better, who knew? Had me laughing for a minute 😂
@dlatrexswords
@dlatrexswords 28 күн бұрын
Hahah yeah this is always the challenge: a lot of sword guys love seeing a target get sliced clean in two but I get really excited when there are targets that can Stymie blades and then you can compare how they perform. This cardboard was pretty tough, but like you saw, if the blade is sharp enough then all of the other factors (geometry, inertia, blade nodes) kind of don’t matter 😂
@patgray5402
@patgray5402 Ай бұрын
I just wish it was an 1840 pattern.
@dlatrexswords
@dlatrexswords Ай бұрын
You never know what LK will cook up next!