Is the S4 known for having rangefinder patch issues like the S3?
@andrewsmithphoto3 күн бұрын
Not to the same level but I haven't had many issues with my S3. Both S4s are very usable but could stand to have a bit more contrast.
@JoeLopez4 күн бұрын
Really nice!
@kevin.itruth68805 күн бұрын
Did this lens release with any particular camera like the millennium S3 or has this been around for a lot longer?
@andrewsmithphoto4 күн бұрын
It is a vintage lens sold independently from 1956-1959.
@quite1enough5 күн бұрын
I wish there was more options of 28mm rangefinders, and these Nikon rangefinders is impossible to find in my region and way out of my budget 😭
@andrewsmithphoto5 күн бұрын
I ordered a few of mine off ebay most coming from japan. While the yare not cheap they are cheaper than many other options Leica, Carl Zeiss and most of the Cosina models.
@quite1enough5 күн бұрын
@@andrewsmithphoto ebay doesn't operate in my region 🥲 btw have you heard about Konica IIIA?
@vivicityZ7 күн бұрын
So hope to have a digital verson of these old Nikon, like that Zf 😊
@andrewsmithphoto7 күн бұрын
Who knows, I don't know much about how modern Nikon makes decesion or develops products. If we are honest there is plenty of room to improve.
@petercooper905410 күн бұрын
Interesting comparison I was only testing the super fujica six yesterday and fell in the river and probably bust my ribs although they're probably just bruised luckily the camera was not on the tripod at the time. I was comparing it with a Zeiss Ikon Super Ikonta IV (534/16). the eye piece is annoying because I'm right eye dominant so that was a downer for me whereas the zeiss did a lot better. you forgot to mention the rangefinder has a red filter so it's very easy to focus although on one occasion the zeiss performed better on focusing on a small twig. the Zeiss feels more solid and obviously weighs more but that's the difference between German engineering and Japan engineering. A better comparison would be the fujica with a mamiya 6 very similar cameras especially the automat which I have various models of the mamiya 6 I much prefer it. I have two super fujicas 6 cameras one was a complete wreck and I needed to put new bellows on which I have made in England and I completely recovered the leather because it all was falling off and very badly damaged which was a shame because the name super fujica on the front now no longer exists the other version I have the leather was perfectly intact and in a lot better condition overall both cameras were completely stripped down and serviced by me the shutter blades and the aperture blades were individually cleaned as per how Chris Sherlock does it I enjoyed doing them up and they will now be sold at least somebody will be getting a new camera or one that will last another 60 years before it needs anything doing to it. I've always fancied the omega rapid but it looks too fiddly for me I prefer for my medium format my bronica s2a hasselblad size at less price.
@andrewsmithphoto10 күн бұрын
I had wanted an original Mamiya 6 for a long time and the Fuji seems like a solid stand in for it still not sure I will get an early 6 as I have the more modern 7 with better lenses. The omega was one I heard of in passing from some collectors who really only seemed to be aware of its size and weight. Aside from it being oddly over built I don't think the lens was very good and its use was just too odd and labor intensive to ever be more than a novelty.
@phvrvohxo11 күн бұрын
great video
@andrewsmithphoto11 күн бұрын
Thanks!
@heresmyurl12 күн бұрын
I've owned two Nikon S3 cameras: the original and the reissue. The reissue was leaps and bounds better than the original, with a clear, bright focus patch. I sold the original S3 because it was almost unusable, given how dim the patch was. I sold the reissue as I didn't really use it like I thought I would. Now I'm considering buying an S4 because of course I am. I'm so dumb.
@andrewsmithphoto12 күн бұрын
I now have 2 S4s and think both have good RF patches... that being said My S3 patch is very usable to me but I have seen old S3s with very weak FR patches. I would suggest testing before you buy if at all possible.
@s_t_r_a_y_e_d13 күн бұрын
Nikon S and Canon P are the counter-Leicas
@LEgoiste16 күн бұрын
Great enthusiasm, great video. Nothing wrong with getting both, to each his own.
@andrewsmithphoto15 күн бұрын
I wish it has stoped at the 2 SPs. Now I have an S, 2-S2s, S3, 2-S4s, 2-SPs and 12 Nikon RF lenses and 5 3rd party Nikon RF lenses with a pile of other bits and other cameras.
@LEgoiste15 күн бұрын
@@andrewsmithphoto Slam dunk!👍🤣 I know, some days we all look at our collection and think what am I doing?
@GaryIrving-x5o16 күн бұрын
My personal favorite every day camera is my (3)Canon VT Deluxe /Voightlander 21mm f4 Color Skopar LTM (39mm B+W yellow filter) It goes everywhere with me, in a Domke f803 loaded with Rollei RPX 100 film.
@andrewsmithphoto15 күн бұрын
I don't own many canons currently, aside from the original 7 which is a great camera but sadly I don't own any canon glass at the moment. I wish I did, but I have more than enough gear and need to down size again.
@GaryIrving-x5o15 күн бұрын
@@andrewsmithphoto You're set up just fine. So am I.👍
@terrywbreedlove16 күн бұрын
Loved my Fe cameras but both shutters stuck. Went to the F3hp and have been shooting it for 10 years now.
@andrewsmithphoto15 күн бұрын
I hear nothing but good things about the F3s. I would like to pick up a F3T.
@KimHojbergJensen16 күн бұрын
I have the Canon 7 and a Leica M5 (because I always dreamt about a Leica range finder camera). Even there is about 10 years between them, they feel the same to use, same size. They both take nice photos - the radioactive Canon 50mm f/1.4 is a great lens. Only, the price ratio, Canon 7:Leica M5 is about 1:10
@andrewsmithphoto15 күн бұрын
I was very impressed with the Canon 7. Canon RFs are ofter written off as low quality but the 7 Proves that wrong on some level.
@KimHojbergJensen16 күн бұрын
I just got a Nikon FM2n in pristine condition for half the price of a Pentax 17 😊 By the way, Pentax K1000 was my first SLR. I bought it for my 20 years birthday in 1978. I think it was the cheapest non-Soviet camera I could afford at the time. I replaced it with a Pentax MX a couple of years later
@andrewsmithphoto15 күн бұрын
Thats the only sane way to do it.
@metingokbulut83719 күн бұрын
💯🇹🇷⭐️👍 I have 1 of this NİKON F3 device, it is very clean, it is for sale, if anyone is interested, there is a video on my KZfaq channel.
@mlzplayer924319 күн бұрын
I run a 50/2 on my s2 and a 105/2.5 on my an F when doing documentary stuff. Especially when events are going on, its nice to have the option. The ultimate setup would be 2 rangefinders with a standard an wide, supplemented by an SLR and a telephoto.
@mlzplayer924319 күн бұрын
One of the good pieces of advice ive recieved lay out prints in a "mock" before printing. Ive found that this helps avoid rushed composition in software.
@andrewsmithphoto19 күн бұрын
I usually do a proof just to make sure all is in order border bleeds colors are often a roll of the dice with cheaper printers.
@josephkreissphotography20 күн бұрын
Thanks for being bold and declaring your faith in Christ!!! I feel driven by God to reflect His creation whether landscape or people… it’s a great question to contemplate.
@xmeda24 күн бұрын
It only starts making some sense once user shoots more than 3000-4000 pics when compared to any other cheap 35mm film compact camera. And there are even older 1/2 frame cameras, then the Pentax17 advantage is only in warranty. And since user needs to shoot couple thousands of shots to even neutralize the investment into camera by shooting 72 frames instead of 36, then I must ask who the hell would be so serious with film and use such camera for capturing 3000-4000 photos. Such maniacs probably prefer proper film SLR with good lenses to start with, not a halfframe semiauto brick with 3 element lens and zone focus :)
@grahamfarrell878624 күн бұрын
what is that lense hood??
@andrewsmithphoto24 күн бұрын
Don't remember the brand but a Chinese made one I got off ebay, best I can remember.
@jamesal613826 күн бұрын
The shutter curtains, i believe, are stainless steel, not titanium
@andrewsmithphoto26 күн бұрын
Someone pointed this out a while ago, I am not sure if it is true. If true it kind proves the old argument of Canon cameras being built as cheap as possible and having poor reliability. I tried to give them the benefit of the doubt as the 7 is a pretty nice camera.
@ramarren29 күн бұрын
Gads, you youngsters! This is a lovely camera ... I have one just like it. The slow speed train in the Synchro-Compur shutter on yours is gummed up from sitting and age, any other issues the same. A good service costs about $190 or so, that will restore it to full functionality. The Color-Skopar 50mm f/3.,5 is a superb lens. Once the camera is working correctly, you have to learn how to load it properly. Et cetera. I dunno ... doing a review of a camera that you barely understand how to operate seems a bit ridiculous to me.
@AstyanazАй бұрын
I have one. I like all the strange things. They make it so much more fun than having everything automatic. If you want sharper lenses, you can get those made by Voigtlander. For ease of use, I would take an infinity stylus.
@andrewsmithphotoАй бұрын
I agree with older cameras being more fun than all auto cameras.
@Purp1eP3nguinZАй бұрын
Half frame is the same dimensions as super 35... notable works include your favorite movies from the 20th century. The Pentax 17 triplet is clear and contrasty. It's not a clinically sharp lens, but I think it beats Trip 35's and Pen EE's cleanly - that's the market segment it belongs to. No, I didn't buy one. I just scan other people's photos. Trust me, lack of manual controls can be a blessing to the casual user. That's the market because, believe it or not, that's most film shooters right now. What discount could even make you value this design anyway? I kind of doubt there is one.
@bernardkealey6449Ай бұрын
For a fraction of the price, with the possible drawback of 6x6, the Mamiya C series tlr’s are awesome. They’re entirely manual, still quite a lot of folk who can and do service them. The glass is very good and a wide range of price points which means you can get a pretty good example for the cost of 5 rolls of film+dev+scan… All the lenses and nearly all the accessories are switchable between all models. They’re bellows bodies which makes the lenses way more versatile. TLR’s aren’t for everyone, but a heck of a good way to free up your consumables budget by saving thousands on equipment.
@bernardkealey6449Ай бұрын
Just saw your reply to a previous comment; 2k in for a 7 + 2 lenses is still a bargain for that camera these days. Where I live (in a city of 5 million) there’s only one bricks and mortar store which specialises in any film cameras, so kinda limited in availability. Also never found a half decent camera at a thrift, and the pawn shops price everything off eBay…
@andrewsmithphotoАй бұрын
@@bernardkealey6449 I owned an early Mamiya C3 with 80mm and 135mm and never took them out as the kit was large (even with just one mounted lens) and very heavy. Additionally the early lenses I had were not all that great either. But yes it was a very cheap kit.
@MartinroadsguyАй бұрын
It's perfct.
@michaelcase8574Ай бұрын
Verifinders
@michaelcase8574Ай бұрын
The models that have the lever wind, are a bit difficut to wind with the camera hanging by astrap. The strap impedes winding in one stroke. The lever on the s has no complications like the others.
@FreezerKingАй бұрын
This is pretty mean for no reason. Not only is the Pentax 17 new, with a warranty and everything, it's also pretty good at what it does! I had no issues paying the price for something that had a lot of R&D put into it, and the pictures I've got back have been quite nice. People are so used to the used market that they forget what these things cost when they were new. It's sold quite well so there is a market for it, and that market will create a bigger market for more advanced cameras coming down the pipe. Frankly, this one is good enough for me for what I'm using it for. It's light and small and easy to use, perfect for carrying with me when I don't feel like hauling the Mamiya 7 or whatever. If it's not for you, it's not for you, but being a dick about it isn't gonna win you any points.
@andrewsmithphotoАй бұрын
I am not sure how I can be mean to a consumer product? You can believe whatever you want, but no one is getting any Pentax 17 images published or winning awards. While Mamiya 7s are still widely used by pros even in the digital age so clearly you are missing al lot of the picture... pun intended.
@FreezerKingАй бұрын
@@andrewsmithphoto You're being mean to people who will or have already bought the camera and enjoy what it can do. Your whole tone is "I know better than all these people who bought this thing that they have a use for". Since when does everything have to be professional grade, anyways? And since when are you a professional? Who cares if it ends up on a gallery wall or not? You can dislike the camera all you like, but your tone is incredibly off-putting and elitist, especially for a no-name KZfaqr. Trying to be cute with a pun doesn't disguise the fact that you misunderstand the product and the intended audience (you couldn't even get the specs right) and somehow think that makes you the final arbiter of taste. The typos aren't helping either. If you had had an actual measured argument I wouldn't have cared, but you went internet asshole route, and I'm calling you on it. Flashing all that cash on the table isn't exactly endearing either. Oh, you have some money! We are all SO PROUD of you! Now while you sit there and foam at the mouth about a product nobody is forcing you to buy, I'm gonna go out and take some pictures and have fun doing it.
@kencarnley7101Ай бұрын
I have a very nice S2.
@andrewsmithphotoАй бұрын
Cool!
@billgow04Ай бұрын
buy a spotmatic f and get a photography icon instead...
@andrewsmithphotoАй бұрын
Daido Moriyamas real camera! A good choice and similar to the k1000.
@musa7606Ай бұрын
Now tell me what a NEW full frame SLR would cost.... Probably about $2500. The fact is this is a NEW camera. If you don't want to buy new, don't. I don't But I'm not going to tell anyone not to go buy a brand new mirrorless camera either. NEW comes with new parts, warranties and repairs etc. This camera isn't for you? Great, don't buy it. But the price is quite reasonable IF you want a new camera. And frankly, I hadn't considered buying this, but maybe I will for my wife. This would be perfect for her. They are in stock at B&H...
@theaussiewhinger28 күн бұрын
Well said!
@Flying_BassetАй бұрын
It's just blind consumerism - until recently nobody cared about half-frame cameras, they were a niche within a niche within a niche. Now, suddenly - everyone and their grandma wants an overpriced half-frame, zone-focusing toy camera with a triplet lens. Why? Because we need to show -Pentax- um.. -Ricoh- Hoya? that we want new film cameras? Pff, whatever. All the best film cameras have already been made, back when things were made to last.
@andrewsmithphotoАй бұрын
Yes, sadly that is the true root of the problem with all the "newest and greatest " in the photography world. I guess people are tricked into thing the Pentax 17 is different because it has the vale of being the "only film camera" (as long as you don't to any research or care about usability). It is strange to see how many people will rabidly defend this camera even though all will be forgotten in a closet in 2 years at most.
@FauxbourgАй бұрын
So weird that this camera is apparently sold out in the US. I could walk into any film photography store in my city (Germany) and buy one right away.
@andrewsmithphotoАй бұрын
Possibly proof Germans have better taste or a better education system?
@musa7606Ай бұрын
Its in stock at B&H in the US
@nwmi23Ай бұрын
I used this same logic when I chose to purchase a Nikon FM2N, a 28mm f2.8 ais and 50mm 1.4 Zeiss lens over a leica M6, since I was able to purchase the camera, lenses and film and still have money leftover however, I think we should all support the Pentax 17 and purchase one if possible. I'm new to film, so I purchased the camera directly from Pentax when it was announced, in hopes of contributing to keeping film alive. The camera, 2 rolls of film, 2 vouchers for development, and a 2yr extended warranty (3 year warranty in total) only cost me $600.
@andrewsmithphotoАй бұрын
Its really the only smart thing to do. I would suspect you also have plenty of good photos to show for your thought and effort, something many gear hounds can not provide.
@pjmverbruggenАй бұрын
500 usd is serious money for investing in a hobby. Pentax made clear in their videos that this camera attempt to bring film photography to the young “smart phone”/“instagram” demography. Pentax 17 is also the first in a line-up of three or four in the Pentax Film Camera family, which will be brought to market based on the success of the Pentax 17. These camera’s will all be more premium. Your example with the K1000 is skewd as I just looked up the original price in 1993 of the body alone which was $263, adjusted for inlation I just calculated via de federal reserve bank, it would cost $553 in 2023 (excluding the lens). The Pentax 17 does include a great pancake lens and a great exposure meter. I’m impressed by the details on my scans. (I bought the Pentax 17 and am very happy with the results, they exceeded expectations)
@musa7606Ай бұрын
"500 usd is serious money for investing in a hobby" People blow $500 on all kinds of things. I imagine they put this out hoping to turn a profit father than putting out a $2500 SLR that enthusiasts say "I'll just buy the used Nikon for a tenth the price!" Also, we forget the Japanese market. This might sell like hotcakes over there.
@pjmverbruggenАй бұрын
@@musa7606 Yes, a 2500 dollar SLR by itself will not be enough to warrent all costs to manufacture one, think of specific tooling and R&D costs. It’s a very bad business model. With an affordable camera of 500 usd you will have the benefit of economy of scale, the R&D and tooling can be devided amongst more sold camera’s. Pentax was really clear that if this is successful there will be more camera’s: a premium compact (I’m interested) and an SLR are all on the tsble. If the Pentax is sold well, and I believe it’s at least exceeding their expectations, there will be a level up. But first you need a healthy base. That is what Pentax is working on now.
@urinalcakeenjoyer9971Ай бұрын
i think that the pentax 17 will be a great way for more people to get into film photography, its a modern new camera that still has the option of repair from its manufacturer unlike almost all other film cameras. of course a newly manufactured camera will be more expensive than something thats over 2 decades old.
@vidthreenorth4007Ай бұрын
I've always had mixed feelings about "half-frame". For print film, the prints will generally cost the same per print. Say you are paying $.1.00 per 4 x 6 (I don't know the current rate). The negative development and film cost is only a small part of the per picture price. You don't end up saving much. For slides, the mounting cost does not leave you with much of an overall per picture saving either. The compactness is a good point, but realistically, at that point digital makes more sense to me. I'm not sure if you will have better detail when enlarging. The finer theoretical resolution of film is offset by the resolution limits of the lens. The fact that you are using real film has to have meaning to you personally, to be worth it.
@andrewsmithphotoАй бұрын
Fully agree. Half frames super slender vertical format is not very useful and the idea of cost savings never really seemed worth it to me.
@rjbiiiАй бұрын
oh no god forbid people buy a camera and have fun with it!
@andrewsmithphotoАй бұрын
If all you want is fun there are better proven options at a lower price.
@rjbiiiАй бұрын
@@andrewsmithphoto So? Maybe someone wants what the 17 offers. It's stupid to make a blanket "don't buy the pentax 17" statement. Not everyone wants to deal with the ebay lottery and troubleshooting old cameras. Maybe someone just wants a reliable way to shoot some film. Get over it.
@andrewsmithphotoАй бұрын
@@rjbiii Sounds like you are the one who needs to get over it.
@rjbiiiАй бұрын
@@andrewsmithphoto No one's allowed to like the stuff I don't like!! 🤣
@andrewsmithphotoАй бұрын
@@rjbiii Never said anything of the sort your ego just can't cope with someone who disagrees with you and provides logical arguments you do not have the knowledge to rebuke.
@stevinonameАй бұрын
see how much film you can bulk roll for $650 lol
@justin_704Ай бұрын
my thoughts exactly. why waste money on rolls versus bulk rolls? Bulk rolls, even if you put more than 36 frames per roll you are still saving. 50ft on average gives you 8-12 rolls of 36 exposures (aproximately) and 100 feet of a bulk roll on average costs about 100$. The math is simple. You pay less than 8 dollars a roll easily. I am getting 5$ per roll versus 10-15$ per roll.
@andrewsmithphotoАй бұрын
I was truing to keep things super low lever since the kind of people buying a Pentax 17 are with out doubt complete amateurs who don't even know film has to be developed.
@andrewsmithphotoАй бұрын
@@justin_704 Trying to make some common ground with the lowest common denominator (Pentax 17 fan boys apparently) who know nothing of film or developing.
@pjmverbruggenАй бұрын
@@justin_704 the cost of a roll is not limited to the roll itself, it’s also should include development and scan or print cost. So to take your $8 roll, it will take $5 to het it developed and another $15 to get it scanned (as that is what the demographic of the Pentax 17 most likely does. The difference of have 72 pictures on a roll compares to 36 is that I just saved 28 usd every time I develop and scan my single role. Ofcourse prices may be different but it gives some idea
@ScironTheBanditАй бұрын
@@andrewsmithphoto Goddamn, you're such an elitist prick. 😂
@isbestlizardАй бұрын
They still make film cameras???
@andrewsmithphotoАй бұрын
Leica never stopped, Kodak rebranded a cheap half frame Chinese camera a couple of years ago, Mint made a camera and is making a Rollie 35 revival. So yes there are a few new option on the market.
@ScironTheBanditАй бұрын
You completely lost the entire point of the camera itself, focusing entirely on the pure financial economy of the purchase. Go watch all of the videos that Pentax released, before this camera was ever actually put to market. They have EXTREMELY good reasons for charging the money they charge, and hey, if $650 is too rich for your blood, then you were never the target demographic in the first place. ✌️
@andrewsmithphotoАй бұрын
I set a very clear and reasonable criteria. But the Camera is a joke no shutter speed selector no rangefinder a plastic lens even as a stopgap or prototype it is very disappointing.
@ScironTheBanditАй бұрын
@@andrewsmithphoto yeah, but YOUR criteria was never Pentax's criteria; you're evaluating what you *assume* about the camera in a way that suits your argument. The camera is absolutely NOT a joke, and a quick look at some of the work produced already, by various photographers around the world, would go a long way towards reminding you of that. It's not meant to be any of the things you're trying to evaluate it on.
@andrewsmithphotoАй бұрын
Name 3 notable works made on half frame.
@ScironTheBanditАй бұрын
@@andrewsmithphoto why does it make any difference at all, whether there are "notable" works produced on half-frame or not? You're grasping at straws here, to try and justify what is ultimately an uninformed op-ed about a product that was never intended to be marketed to you (as a demographic). Again, go watch the Pentax videos, pre-release of the camera itself. Maybe you'll come out of it with a greater understanding of their goals -- you're evaluating the camera based on YOUR expectations, not the expectations of the company that actually designed it. Put simply, you're evaluating it for everything it's NOT, rather than for what it IS.
@ScironTheBanditАй бұрын
@@andrewsmithphoto also, ever heard of Daidō Moriyama or W. Eugene Smith? 🤨
@XATNEP1Ай бұрын
I put my money down for the new 17, I already have plenty of old film cameras, but supporting Pentax with this new camera will hopefully encourage them and others to continue making more new film cameras. It is a fun little camera to start, and being half frame you can save some money on film purchase as well.
@andrewsmithphotoАй бұрын
I guess you don't know much about Pentax's history. They are notorious for discontinuing things for no real reason with no replacement in site.
@XATNEP1Ай бұрын
@@andrewsmithphoto They are also notorious for producing equipment that has features that many photographers appreciate, in body shake reduction, astrotracer to mention some. I have a full set of lenses for their Q series which as you say has been discontinued, they still work well many years after they were discontinued. If you had been following the film project videos that the designer TKO has been releasing about the development timeline for the new film camera(s) , you would realise that this is the starting point , for what may be a whole new line of film cameras, produced by a traditional camera manufacturer rather than a kick starter firm. I wish them well and hope that the success of this new camera leads to something that you may buy second hand in 20 years time.......
@XATNEP1Ай бұрын
@@andrewsmithphoto They are also notorious for having quality cameras that have very long product runs K1000 LX 6x7 and 645, companies discontinue products once they are no longer making money from them, not everything needs replacing every 18 months. Speaking of history, when they upgraded the K1 model to the K1ii, they offered users of the K1 model a chance to upgrade their camera to the K1ii with a new image motherboard, not many other camera companies have ever offered that service to their consumers. Good luck to them on their film revival camera models, good luck to you with 59 rolls running through some heritage camera without a breakdown :)
@ScironTheBanditАй бұрын
@@andrewsmithphoto please, expand further into the hole you're digging. 😂
@andrewsmithphotoАй бұрын
@@XATNEP1 I have run over 50 rolls each thought My S3, SP, FM2 and years ago the canon AE1. Never had any issues or even needed a CLA on any of those cameras. But I doubt many will even put 5 rolls through a 17, (my point if you watched) it is a fad not the future.
@SonnyCrackBeatsАй бұрын
You're also forgetting the cost of developing.. But it's a shit camera but I'm glad it's doing well, it should introduced more options to the market. Used cameras WILL die at some point.
@andrewsmithphotoАй бұрын
I think there is a lot of truth to that, but the Pentax 17 doesn't even seem like a good stopgap for the future of film photography.
@SonnyCrackBeatsАй бұрын
@@andrewsmithphoto Maybe.. but you'd be amazed at what crappy cameras are running.. Gen Z loves crap cameras. especially point and shoot.. I've sold a bunch of Olympus point and shoots for boatloads of $$.
@andrewsmithphotoАй бұрын
There is a lot of truth to that, take for example that short lived CCD fad early this year.
@pjmverbruggenАй бұрын
@@andrewsmithphoto I think it makes a lot of sense to provide the entry level camera first to get more Gen Z into photography. This camera does cut down development+scan cost by half. So in the end it is a cheaper camera to run.
@pjmverbruggenАй бұрын
@@SonnyCrackBeats respect your view, I however love the sharp pictures my Pentax 17 takes. If I print them on A4/letter the scans are still really good.
@TOOBBIINN1Ай бұрын
This is a fantastic message. People are so easily seduced in buying something new instead of looking at what the journey of photography is. I know there is something to small pocketable cameras, but I really dig your point about your money going farther with buying a K1000 and a lens and some film. Having a relationship with photography is about that progression and that 600 dollars can be better spent on the different options you had mentioned.
@andrewsmithphotoАй бұрын
Yes, that really what I was trying to get across.
@petercooper9054Ай бұрын
I've been servicing and CLA the original Olympus pen a absolutely beautiful half camera at a fraction of the price of the Pentax 17
@rhinmanАй бұрын
Which model is that? All of the Pens I'm seeing are much more than a fraction of the price.
@petercooper9054Ай бұрын
@@rhinman I got one for a few dollars as spare parts. The one I use is the first production run which is called Olympus pen. After that was the pen S. I paid under $100 for it. They might have gone up but your not going to pay anywhere near the price of the Pentax 17
@jmcgonnellАй бұрын
Personally I would spend it all on the three Ferrania film stocks. They have done a very impressive thing.
@andrewsmithphotoАй бұрын
Don't know much about them. I will have to do some research.
@urwholefamilydiedАй бұрын
Pentax must REALLY be pushing this camera. I'm seeing it all over the youtube. For the price... ya right. I'll take a Canon Demi all day long. F/1.7, smaller body, and prettier. (ohhhhh and way cheaper)
@BikeshredderАй бұрын
I would prefer a Nikon FM2 with 50mm F1.4 Nikkor, for the cost of a Pentax 17. I am really sure that two photos taken by Pentax 17 will not be as good as one shot taken by Nikon FM2 + 50mm F1.4, so the price of the film is not the main argument, IMHO.
@andrewsmithphotoАй бұрын
I always tell people if you shoot film and dont own an FM with a 50mm and 28mm you are doing yourself a major disservice. They are too good not to own and too cheap and common to make any excuse.
@ianhand5006Ай бұрын
@andrewsmithphoto Agreed, the FM is a truly magnificent, and you just can't go wrong with Nikkor lenses.
@musa7606Ай бұрын
"I would prefer a Nikon FM2 with 50mm F1.4 Nikkor" As would I, but maybe we aren't the market... Or maybe this is a camera to get out friends who know nothing about manual cameras into shooting film...
@Rangefinder48Ай бұрын
Just bought a $122 Canon P + $25 shipping on Buyee, nearly mint condition, not even a tiny wrinkle on the shutter. Still have about 500 bucks more, or 84 rolls of my fav Fomapan 100. The price for Pentax 17 was way beyond what I expected. Didn’t even expect it was gonna be a half frame. Was expecting something like $300 at most.
@musa7606Ай бұрын
That's a 60 year old camera, mind you. Great camera, but apples and oranges.
@mlzplayer924319 күн бұрын
If you buy fomapan 400 in bulk, you can probably get more like 100 rolls.