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@ross2005
@ross2005 10 сағат бұрын
Aka Trek Piss
@mattblack133
@mattblack133 15 сағат бұрын
Are they updating the 2024 AL frames???
@FlowMountainBikeYouTube
@FlowMountainBikeYouTube 9 сағат бұрын
Not just yet - the 2024 alloy Spectral carries over the existing frame with 160/150mm of travel. We expect Canyon will update the alloy models at some point, but based on past experience it might not be until next year. [Wil]
@darrellvmay
@darrellvmay 16 сағат бұрын
How do i remove the speed restiction
@jessezarate6571
@jessezarate6571 17 сағат бұрын
Hi! Just curious, at 1.7m and usually your (outstanding) reviews are a bike size one up from me… I was thinking medium as small seems quite short. I’ve tried Oiz as well, and supercaliber medium (ok)would you say this bike sizes differently?
@leonshanahan2189
@leonshanahan2189 Күн бұрын
Hi Wil, thank you for making the time to provide your expert comments. Looks forward to the comparison. :)
@tomassanesson902
@tomassanesson902 Күн бұрын
Soo awesome bike lovet
@garyblier3449
@garyblier3449 Күн бұрын
I'm interested to see how this compares to the Pivot Shuttle SL. Does anyone have any experience with both of them?
@crymo999
@crymo999 Күн бұрын
would totally buy if there's no cable tourism
@truevipermark
@truevipermark 2 күн бұрын
I have decided to sell my body to pay for a new Epic 8 Evo. Ladies please form an orderly queue.
@NATURALBORNSHREDDER
@NATURALBORNSHREDDER 2 күн бұрын
Looks awesome but they should've added a little more travel, 170 is ideal for DH laps, lightweight with good suspension and a range extender gives all options for normal feeling bike handling and big adventures
@aaronrankin6872
@aaronrankin6872 2 күн бұрын
2 months is long term? You didn't talk about the commencal at all
@karifanskiy
@karifanskiy 2 күн бұрын
Купил трек марлин 6 2023 года, за 2 месяца использрвания вме разшаталось, переключатели скорости барахлят , педали скрипят....
@_ben_sweet
@_ben_sweet 2 күн бұрын
Sounds like you should have a swing at some general maintenance 😁
@xTheLIL
@xTheLIL 2 күн бұрын
За байком надо следить все-таки
@rgoring81
@rgoring81 3 күн бұрын
For the most fun, this or the trance e elite?
@davidobrien5286
@davidobrien5286 3 күн бұрын
I would love to hear your opinion on this too Wil You say lots of good things about the Trance Elite and how playful it is but I feel like COMPLETELY SUBJECTIVELY, you prefer the Levo SL for a lightweight eMTB
@FlowMountainBikeYouTube
@FlowMountainBikeYouTube Күн бұрын
Good question - the Trance X E+ Elite is a great bike to compare with the Fluid VLT! I really enjoyed the handling and plush suspension of the Trance X E+ Elite, and found it to offer a smoother ride quality compared to the Fluid VLT. Both are quite poppy and playful, though I prefer the geometry on the Norco with its slacker head angle. To me it feels better balanced and more appropriate for the riding speeds you can achieve aboard a 20kg bike, and along with the big Float X2 and Lyrik, it is far more composed on bigger hits. In comparison, the Trance X E+ Elite doesn't feel as planted at high speed or as confident when pushing harder on technical descents. Of course you've got two different motor systems too. The full-powered SyncDrive Pro in the Giant provides more support with less rider effort required, though it does chew through the battery faster as a result. I ended up getting considerably more range with the Bosch SX system on the Fluid VLT. I also reckon the adaptive Tour+ and eMTB modes on the Bosch system are quite a bit more refined. As to which is more fun, I think it would depend on the terrain you're mostly riding. On flowier and less steep gradients, the Trance X E+ Elite is hard to beat. The chunkier and steeper the riding gets however, the better the Fluid VLT is. Hope that helps, but just yell out if you've got any more specific questions! [Wil]
@mohdfarazkhan520
@mohdfarazkhan520 3 күн бұрын
with such a budget bike what else do we want. You already said that Polygon is selling at the lowest in the market. Even the canyon spectral doesn't come with tubeless tyres. although here on Polygon it is tubeless ready.
@bagballz
@bagballz 3 күн бұрын
Where was this filmed? Trails look unreal
@FlowMountainBikeYouTube
@FlowMountainBikeYouTube 3 күн бұрын
Most of this was shot at the La Larr Ba Gauwa MTB Park in Harcourt, Victoria. Great spot to ride! [Wil]
@notpablo8369
@notpablo8369 4 күн бұрын
Compare to Polygon Siskiu D?
@froggy0162
@froggy0162 5 күн бұрын
Enough with the bloody motorcycles already... Get back to reviewing proper mountain bikes please :)
@trocycling1204
@trocycling1204 5 күн бұрын
With flight attendant, does your suspension stop working when there's a solar flare?
@sandycarmichael31
@sandycarmichael31 5 күн бұрын
Great review Wil 👏. Thanks for the insights on the Bosch sx and look forward to video coming out on that. Shame Norco didn't release a top spec alloy model with a 36 Grip X or Grip X2 to go with X2 shock, although I suspect this would push weight too far from a figure considered acceptable for an SL bike approx 20kg limit? Have you had a chance to ride new Orbea Rise LT 420wh with full 85nm on tap? I'd be curious to see how the LT Rise would stack up against Fluid VLT although not exactly apples vs apples comparison with one being mullet and other full 29er
@FlowMountainBikeYouTube
@FlowMountainBikeYouTube 5 күн бұрын
Thanks Sandy! I suspect Norco will expand the Fluid VLT lineup with alloy models at some point in time, but maybe it'll be more from a price barrier-lowering perspective. Haven't had the chance to ride the new Rise though I believe we'll have one coming later this year. Looks like a great option! [Wil]
@doddsyist
@doddsyist 5 күн бұрын
Chooses a bike a size too small, critiques it for an un-weighting front wheel on climbs. There's a fix to that. Ride the correct size bike. 😂
@FlowMountainBikeYouTube
@FlowMountainBikeYouTube 5 күн бұрын
Actually the S2 size was spot-on! As mentioned in the review, it's a great fitting bike in terms of both reach and stack, and the cockpit fit me really well. The reference to climbing performance is primarily related to the 27.5in rear wheel and short chainstays. When combined with the perky Bosch motor and low-profile rear tyre, the Fluid VLT struggles for grip on loose and chunky climbs, and it requires more conscious front-end weighting compared to bikes with longer chainstays and dual 29in wheels. Going up to the S3 size likely wouldn't help a whole lot as the rear centre length is only 3mm longer. As for the cockpit, the stack lifts by almost 10mm and the reach increases to 472.5mm which is too long for me. There's a bit more info about sizing, setup and handling in the full review that you might find interesting; flowmountainbike.com/tests/2024-norco-fluid-vlt-review-c2-140/ Hope that helps! [Wil]
@doddsyist
@doddsyist 5 күн бұрын
@@FlowMountainBikeKZfaq bigger bike and the saddle slid forward a tad. Straight up sorcery
@FlowMountainBikeYouTube
@FlowMountainBikeYouTube 5 күн бұрын
That’s a great tip! Sliding the saddle forwards, dropping the stem down and even changing to a shorter stem are all useful techniques for tweaking the fit if you’ve got a bike that feels like it might be too big. I recently did all of those with the latest Canyon Spectral, which has a huge reach and stack for its given size. I was able to get it comfortable in terms of the seated position, but of course there’s not much you can do about the wheelbase and front centre length, and those are really the key elements when it comes to weight distribution and handling. For me that’s where the S2 size is spot-on with the Fluid VLT - I personally wouldn’t want that front centre any longer, as it handles so well! [Wil]
@fueledbycoffee1455
@fueledbycoffee1455 4 күн бұрын
@@FlowMountainBikeKZfaq Norco's sizing is weird, the size recommended to me had a longer reach than I'm used to. it looks like a reach of a size Large, I usually ride around 450 reach which is norco's s2
@mprox3431
@mprox3431 5 күн бұрын
Great review. so how is the motor/climbing in a more normal cadence. It's not realistic to maintain 100+ RPM climbing up a long steep grade. I'm talking 70-80 RPM
@FlowMountainBikeYouTube
@FlowMountainBikeYouTube 5 күн бұрын
Thanks for watching and for the feedback mate! If you're climbing at a lower cadence, the SX motor is pretty mellow in its power output, which helps to conserve the battery. It does depend on which assist mode you're in, with Eco and Tour being comparable to other low-powered motors. eMTB mode is more adaptive to cadence and input torque, so it feels similar to the Eco/Tour mode at lower cadences and if you're not putting a lot of your own energy into the pedals. When you start to push harder and a little faster, that's when you can feel the motor wake up and deliver significantly more power. Turbo mode will get you that feeling of power a lot faster and more easily. It isn't like the Turbo mode on the CX motor, but it still provides a lot of support even in the 70-80RPM cadence range. Personally I preferred the adaptive eMTB mode, as I find it to be more natural and easier to control when riding proper singletrack. In that mode, the SX motor feels considerably punchier and more responsive than other lightweight e-MTB motors when riding undulating terrain. During the standardised range test (10% average gradient) I found that I could cruise uphill pretty comfortably at 18km/h with the SX motor. This was quite a bit faster than comparable e-MTBs fitted with the Fazua Ride 60 (16km/h), the SL 1.1 (14.5km/h) and TQ (13.5km/h) motors. However, it was slower compared to the Bosch CX motor, which would comfortably tick over at 22km/h with even less effort on the pedals. That motor is really impressive if you're after an e-MTB that can carry you up every climb without you having to do a lot of work. Hope that helps, but just shout out if you've got any other questions! [Wil]
@fueledbycoffee1455
@fueledbycoffee1455 4 күн бұрын
@@FlowMountainBikeKZfaq Hey Wil, thanks for this input. I wonder if you can compare the SX motor with the Fazua 60 in terms of pedaling support on lower cadence (70 RPM). Which one gives you more support? Thank you!
@FlowMountainBikeYouTube
@FlowMountainBikeYouTube Күн бұрын
My pleasure mate! Good question on the Fazua Ride 60 - I'd really need both bikes side-by-side to offer an accurate comparison across the different assist modes with each system. But assuming we're talking about the most powerful setting, I found both motors to deliver a similar amount of support when pedalling at a low cadence up a steady road climb. As mentioned above however, the Bosch SX motor was able to maintain a higher average climbing speed (18 vs 16km/h) during the standardised range test. I must admit I wasn't measuring my cadence on that climb, but it would have been in the 70-80RPM zone. I'll have a more detailed review coming on the Bosch SX motor in the near future, so we'll be sure to put in plenty of comparisons to help benchmark it against the competition. With that in mind, let me know if you've got any other questions you'd like to see addressed in the review! [Wil]
@Nile49
@Nile49 5 күн бұрын
Is the extended boost adjustable in the app? I understand the advantages on climbs but I personally hate this motor behavior otherwise.
@FlowMountainBikeYouTube
@FlowMountainBikeYouTube 5 күн бұрын
It isn't adjustable in the app. With the bigger CX motor, it is possible for a Bosch dealer to disengage the Extended Boost function, though I'm not sure if the same can be done with the newer SX motor - I'll find out and get back to you! [Wil]
@Nile49
@Nile49 5 күн бұрын
@@FlowMountainBikeKZfaq thanks!
@mitza6162
@mitza6162 5 күн бұрын
I have the C1 version, the 150/140 one, I put some maxxis DD DHR2 on the rear straight away and an EX0+ assegai up front, the burlier tyres and the fox fork definitely make it feel pretty good on the descents. Size 4, with pedals / the heavier maxxis tyres set up tubeless total weight was 20.2kg. My only complaint is the same as yours, the rattle from the SX motor, for me its worth the trade off though considering how much better the bike feels that the bigger full power bikes i have ridden in the past. Its pretty playful and nimble due to the geometry but the low central weight of the drive unit and battery makes it feel stable with it gets a bit rough. I'm going to eventually play around with up forking to 160mm, either new damper and air spring on the 36 or just chuck a 38 in there.
@SwimmingBird846
@SwimmingBird846 5 күн бұрын
How tall are you? I'm taking delivery of this bike tomorrow, and the Norco rep talked me into the recommended size, but it's massive on paper. 497mm reach on the S4, but I'm in the middle of the range at 182CM.
@mitza6162
@mitza6162 5 күн бұрын
@@SwimmingBird846 I'm 190. Have always downsized bikes though. Usually ride 500 to 510 reach.
@DaBinChe
@DaBinChe 6 күн бұрын
$24,000!!! WTF!!! can get a Ducati for that price.
@davidobrien5286
@davidobrien5286 6 күн бұрын
The most reliable trustworthy reviews of mountain bikes bar none. I've bought a bike Wil has tested and found his observations to be absolutely on point. I won't buy another bike without hearing what he has to say about it first.
@FlowMountainBikeYouTube
@FlowMountainBikeYouTube 6 күн бұрын
Thanks very much David, we really appreciate the feedback! [Wil]
@RotormanMTB
@RotormanMTB 5 күн бұрын
agreed... I bought the Norco Sight A3 the same way - no better online reviews can be found. Love it here.
@mtb_3930
@mtb_3930 4 күн бұрын
​​@@FlowMountainBikeKZfaqHi Will, i agree. Your reviews are fantastic and you are smart and good at bikes. Will how would one give the bike more rear travel? Obviously the front is just putting a 160 fox 36 on it. And if the travel could be bumped to 160/150, and with maxxis assegai front tyre and dhr II rear tire, would you then choose this bike over the levo?
@mitza6162
@mitza6162 4 күн бұрын
@@mtb_3930 Cant increase the rear travel unless someone like cascade components makes a new linkage, the shock is max stroke length for the eye to eye size. (185 x 55)
@robertmitev1202
@robertmitev1202 6 күн бұрын
And one other you forgot the goat, heckler SL , another great option in the SL Market.
@FlowMountainBikeYouTube
@FlowMountainBikeYouTube 6 күн бұрын
We received a Heckler SL six months ago to test, but unfortunately the motor died within the first ride. It went back to Santa Cruz to have the problem diagnosed, but they're yet to send that bike back to us. Hopefully we can get on one in the near future to carry on the review! [Wil]
@robertmitev1202
@robertmitev1202 6 күн бұрын
@@FlowMountainBikeKZfaq yeah that's common unfortunately with the early fazua drive units, I've had 2, this it's been strong, but out of both bikes the heckler SL and fluid the fazua is much better and more responsive in the lower cadences rather than the Bosch sx.
@user-tr8dl4fb3q
@user-tr8dl4fb3q 5 күн бұрын
Sc heckler Definitely not the goat,fazua sux,pivot shuttle am much closer to goat status
@robertmitev1202
@robertmitev1202 5 күн бұрын
@@user-tr8dl4fb3q lol, well you can debate that with AMB in there write up champ 😆
@richardoates4335
@richardoates4335 5 күн бұрын
The Orbea Rise was the first to really nail this category.
@ft3Safety1st2
@ft3Safety1st2 6 күн бұрын
Thank you, Can you measure the inner lengths of the main triangle? Thanks
@stenooo2439
@stenooo2439 6 күн бұрын
If anyone is watching this in 2024 this bike goes for $1099 US now. The nicer options are just a little bit more. I’m about to upgrade to this bike since I’ve been riding a trek marlin 5 for 4 years lol. Great bike but I definitely need a full suspension.
@andretait2817
@andretait2817 6 күн бұрын
Carefull you dont stick the allen key in your eye
@Thosewhowander
@Thosewhowander 8 күн бұрын
I don't like the Lux lineup simply because the suspensions have only 2 positions
@bstevens7647
@bstevens7647 9 күн бұрын
I had a Rocky Mtn Altitude 4.0 . It required a lot more rider energy than a Brose, Bosch or Yamaha to get the most out of it. The biggest drawback was the battery charging system overcharged the battery and the battery exploded and burned everything in my garage to ashes. Rocky Mountain seemed to want to help, but in the end they just wanted to get the burned bike out of my possession and pretend it never happened. I feel a duty to warn potential buyers of the very real danger of keeping a Rocky Mountain bike indoors. The damage to my home and property is over 350k, and I am lucky to be alive. Don't take the risk with a Rocky Mountain E-MTB. It is not worth it.
@OttarHolstad
@OttarHolstad 9 күн бұрын
Your confirmed weight is 11.28kg setup tubeless, while the claimed weight is 11,25kg. I allways thought that Canyon bikes came with tubes, and that one could loose maybe 300g of the claimed weight by going tubeless. It doesn't seem so in this case. Are there any other differences from the stock bike? Pedals, computer, something in the frame storage?
@FlowMountainBikeYouTube
@FlowMountainBikeYouTube 9 күн бұрын
No changes from the stock bike - we always weigh our test bikes without pedals and with all accessories removed so it's as consistent as possible between brands. Going tubeless will remove some weight from the bike, but it will depend on a couple of factors. For a start, some Canyon bikes come fitted with Tubolito TPU tubes, which are incredibly lightweight and even lighter than a tubeless setup. Also, it depends how much sealant you put inside each tyre. We always use 120ml for each tyre, which is pretty generous. With the Lux World Cup for example, that bike was lighter with the Tubolito inner tubes than it was setup tubeless. The last thing regarding claimed weights; there is of course always some variance in production, not just with Canyon's own frames but also with the parts that are fitted to it. Tyres are good examples of a part that can often vary in weight by quite a bit. Hope that helps explain! [Wil]
@OttarHolstad
@OttarHolstad 9 күн бұрын
@@FlowMountainBikeKZfaq, Thanks for clarifying!
@lizardears4861
@lizardears4861 9 күн бұрын
Why would you test the top of the range model for a month when most ordinary punters aren’t looking at purchasing an $11,000 bike….? 😂
@FlowMountainBikeYouTube
@FlowMountainBikeYouTube 9 күн бұрын
As mentioned in the video, we tested both the carbon and alloy version of the Trance X. Here's the review for the cheaper alloy model: flowmountainbike.com/tests/first-ride-review-2021-giant-trance-x-29-2/
@EmersonSalvador-ub4ih
@EmersonSalvador-ub4ih 10 күн бұрын
What is the height of the rider in the video? And the frame size of the tested bike? How does it feel on the ride? it looks like the reach is a little bit longer, i am 5’10 so i am considering medium?
@FlowMountainBikeYouTube
@FlowMountainBikeYouTube 9 күн бұрын
Did you get a chance to check out the full review? There's quite a lot more info in there about sizing, which I reckon you'll find pretty useful: flowmountainbike.com/tests/2024-superior-exf-review-bosch-emtb/ Hope that helps! [Wil]
@colhutchins
@colhutchins 11 күн бұрын
The new Neuron Ltd looks amazing for the price with SRAM GX Eagle AXS Transmission!
@lewiss66
@lewiss66 11 күн бұрын
Have you heard about more efficient rear frame on new modèles by the end of summer?
@pauljordan6016
@pauljordan6016 17 күн бұрын
Hey Will, as always great detailed and balanced review. If you could get a good deal on this bike would you buy one?
@johnmccool6875
@johnmccool6875 17 күн бұрын
Great review..... I'm now torn between the Stumpjumper and the Epic EVO, I'm a 57 year old intermediate rider that will never race, but do hit the intermediate trails along the Colorado front range 2 to 3 times a week.....
@FlowMountainBikeYouTube
@FlowMountainBikeYouTube 9 күн бұрын
Thanks for watching and for the feedback mate! I think with the improvements on the new Epic EVO, it's the bike I'd personally choose out of the two. It is surprisingly capable thanks to the excellent geo and suspension, but it's still quite lightweight and efficient for longer distance XC riding. The current Stumpjumper will get you more travel, and the riding position is more relaxed and upright. If comfort is a priority, then you might want to swing towards the Stumpy for more compliance and a less aggressive riding position. Hope that helps! [Wil]
@AIMarketingFunnels
@AIMarketingFunnels 20 күн бұрын
I bought a 2023 9.8 XTR last week. This morning it would not turn on. I plug the charger in and it turns on, 150% charge. When I turn it off I cannot turn it back on unless I plug the charger in. It also has rebooted on two different occasions when the power went from the the extender to main battery. I should have bough the Orbea. This is a lemon and it is wrong that a person can spend this kind of money and get such poor results.
@chrish8871
@chrish8871 21 күн бұрын
Everywhere I look the strive is the fractionally better bike. Please explain….? Although canyon give you the choice between the shape shifter and the steering damper thingamy jig to deal with steering flop due to the slack trend xc.
@SzymonWawrzyniak
@SzymonWawrzyniak 22 күн бұрын
Today i got a test ride on it and i've never had more fun on bike in my life.
@ridedirtymtb9938
@ridedirtymtb9938 22 күн бұрын
any word on how the sl damper rides compared to the fit4? seems they went backwards with offering low compression on the fit4 lockout version compared to the open closed of the grip sl
@FlowMountainBikeYouTube
@FlowMountainBikeYouTube 9 күн бұрын
Yep! We've reviewed the GRIP SL damper in the new 32 Step-Cast fork here: flowmountainbike.com/tests/2025-fox-32-step-cast-review/ Hope that helps! [Wil]
@ridedirtymtb9938
@ridedirtymtb9938 9 күн бұрын
@@FlowMountainBikeKZfaq will do, I’ll check it out. I’ll be out in Brisbane in September and might check out some trails while I’m out there🤟 🇺🇸✈️🇦🇺
@l1nds290
@l1nds290 22 күн бұрын
Not sure why the bike you tested weighed over 23kg as I test rode the same in medium and that weighed bang on at 22.6kg claimed weight ?
@FlowMountainBikeYouTube
@FlowMountainBikeYouTube 9 күн бұрын
Not sure either. Was your test bike set up tubeless or with inner tubes? [Wil]
@boosted38
@boosted38 23 күн бұрын
My 22 160 AT is awesome..bargain in UK at £4500.. nothing touches it for smiles for miles.
@janjayed
@janjayed 23 күн бұрын
Great review. Can't see too many people buying the lower spec given the modest price difference. What it really means is that the cheaper model is probably too expensive.
@TiagoRuivo
@TiagoRuivo 25 күн бұрын
Hiperbole and a sponsored review. Pure marketing.
@virginiascurti5036
@virginiascurti5036 25 күн бұрын
you lost me at +7000K cost
@omnifuture5565
@omnifuture5565 25 күн бұрын
my bike scott spark 2023 team issue did pre order the flight attendant only front suspension since the scott frame wont be able to put the rear shox since its just only front flight attendant shox i can have, i assume that there will be no automatic system will happen since the brain is all in the rear shox.. what are your thoughts?
@peterfreeman3317
@peterfreeman3317 15 күн бұрын
Nino rides FA…fork and rear suspension. Just saw photos on FB. I hope they come out with a kit so I can upgrade my 23 Spark RC fork & shock.
@johnlesoudeur3653
@johnlesoudeur3653 11 күн бұрын
​@@peterfreeman3317 You will be disappointed then. Scott are only selling the FA as part of a full bike (that has the modified frame to access the Scott specific FA shock) , currently with two models: SCOTT SPARK RC WORLD CUP EVO (EU) / SCOTT SPARK RC WORLD CUP (EU) that are listed but not available yet.
@petesahad3028
@petesahad3028 25 күн бұрын
It's always something with Cube. Either the geo is ten years behind or the rear end flexes like crazy or no S frame size or something fishy otherwise.
@user-un3ol9lp2z
@user-un3ol9lp2z 26 күн бұрын
Im looking at a 160 because i race enduro. But i have a tight budget and will only be able to afford one bike. I was just wondering in the 160 was still playful and agile enough at slower speeds and on less steep trails which are tighter and twistier.