This was a good listen, cant wait to get the new book into the wiki!
@erichtrowbridge2217Ай бұрын
I’m one of tens!
@TheDrewcasАй бұрын
I love my green stinkbaby! I had no idea what the trophy was for, so glad i lucked my way into it
@THELEGENDARYK22 ай бұрын
Hey this is my GT
@Gaddafied232 ай бұрын
First comment! Looking forward to more videos :)
@mikefatima2 ай бұрын
Ya Justin!
@VictoriaWargaming3 ай бұрын
Thanks for making this.
@Nerve_Check3 ай бұрын
Any major disagreements?
@JustinBerg2743 ай бұрын
Ben’s takes are as bad as his gameplay! But I love y’all! Keep up the great work.
@JustinBerg2743 ай бұрын
A rating instead of EH rating! Missed opportunity
@Nerve_Check3 ай бұрын
I think we should incorporate that into the follow up video on Heroic Artefacts, Eh... :-)
@HordesofThings3 ай бұрын
Riverguard Sentinel got extra attack too which matters, 5x 4+ piercing, 5x 3+ Crush, and the Amphibian vicious aura, plus the timing on poison frog :)
@Nerve_Check3 ай бұрын
With dualist, and the leaper ability you might have a solid character hunter now.
@Themasterstools3 ай бұрын
it's not looking good fellas
@Nerve_Check3 ай бұрын
I don't think it's bad. The loss of the formation hurts, but several units received minor boosts so, likely a list that remains in level but doesn't move up to top tier.
@Gaddafied233 ай бұрын
The suggested trident king upgrades are super cool. Definitely a possibility in the future I feel
@Nerve_Check3 ай бұрын
That suggestion was something I only thought up last night. Would need to be refined, but I think Mantic could do something cool using their existing Dambuster, Centurion on Wrym, and the chariot model as a base with Aura's or unique army upgrades associated with each one. I don't get where the chariot base and model rules originated from so I don't think much would be lost.
@michaciemniewski97913 ай бұрын
DEF 6+ - all we have is cheaper Dambusters, Coral Giant and 3xLB with extra piercing. Sadly I think Mr Luke winning Masters did not help the army at all. "Oh You can win with it" argument is valid and we can see it in the changes. Little bit here, little bit there. NA rules sells models. New TR rules do not discard You from buying models which is not the same. Especially Siren and Dambusters (both in starter boxes)! Loosing nimble after reasonable cost reduction (how nimble makes them similar to Wyrmriders even remotely?) looked like "extra caution" not to make them too good. Treeleaper dambusters looks very tasty but I get why everyone is concerned with 165 points cost. I will use my plastics to build Treeleaper version (I already have 3 units of resin ones!) and give them a spin. We will see. Overall I like the cautious pace of rule changing but NS and TK armies gave us a wrong impression about what to expect in an army update.
@michaciemniewski97913 ай бұрын
29:30 - no Formation in Ambush games so te formation will not work there.
@michaciemniewski97913 ай бұрын
18:00 - it does work on elemental itself! "In the Movement phase, after this unit has completed its order, THIS unit and all Friendly Core units within 6”: As a Trident King player - drop in attacks hurts his shooting a little (he got shattering) but overall, with extra TC, he got slightly, slightly better.
@Nerve_Check3 ай бұрын
Thanks for the Radiance pick up - we goofed up. Not a rule I have used to date in any of my armies. I agree with the Trident King getting slightly better, just wasn't commonly seen before, not likely to be more common as a result of these changes (in my opinion).
@michaciemniewski97913 ай бұрын
@@Nerve_Check King's changes were cosmetic but multiplies to the flank! 24 4+ CS1/TC1 attacks does approx. 11 wounds to a def 5 unit. Old version does 8 on average. So an improvement. I like the idea behind 3 kings but this one has one interesting aspect. Chariot base which adds to the option pool.
@michaciemniewski97913 ай бұрын
Pathfinder is something RC tries to keep under control. Avey Pathfinder upgrade becomes autoinclude and we already have Naiads (wyrms/ensnarers) and Riverguard with built in pathfinder.
@Nerve_Check3 ай бұрын
Pathfinder (and it's immense availability) was one of the reasons I was drawn to this army (nimble being the other factor). I agree with keeping pathfinder in check, but losing it completely from the Thuul hurt a lot.
@michaciemniewski97913 ай бұрын
There are still Boots we can reach for. We never had to before...
@michaciemniewski97913 ай бұрын
4:21 - it is worth keeping in mind that Poison Frog is now widely avaliable. To Thuul, Depth Horrors, naiads... And riverguard (javelins), got not only extra attacks but nerve and defence.
@Nerve_Check3 ай бұрын
The poison frog change is in my mind one of the most significant positive changes to the list. Previously I had brutal on my wyrms, but this allows for more changes and options. Very happy to see it!
@michaciemniewski97913 ай бұрын
@@Nerve_Check this is a way to get morę punch in the list. This "one extra" is golden on a non punchy list. And a reason I might take wyrmriders one day.
@michaciemniewski97913 ай бұрын
1:45 - we also got new Tidal Swarms AND resin siren model. Dambusters (treeleapers, riverguard and arbalest).
@kyleprzelenski61963 ай бұрын
Great feedback guys thanks for the thoughts.
@joelzigelstein61115 ай бұрын
Ah man! It will be great to see you all. Yes - my beard is gone, just a (small) goatee! And I am expecting to do poorly, but these were the models I have!
@JustinBerg2745 ай бұрын
Am I the only weirdo that made separate 1995 and 2500 lists and then figured out the difference from there?
@Nerve_Check5 ай бұрын
I am not sure how you accomplished that, but I am impressed.
@JustinBerg2745 ай бұрын
@@Nerve_Check so I had about 1600 pts that were 1 for 1 in each list. And then I kind of figured what I wanted to add from there, eg: third hammer, extra phoenix, a little bit more shooting. And then worked out what to add where from there.
@JustinBerg2745 ай бұрын
So both lists are concessions to the other list. But it’s still all generically good stuff.
@joelzigelstein61115 ай бұрын
I went 2500 then reduced. It has been so long since I have played, but somehow my numbers worked!
@patoflechat5 ай бұрын
Actually thought the first day was on 1995 then escalated to 2500. So I built the 1995 then added 505 pts afterwards.
@JustinBerg2745 ай бұрын
I came for the it depends on the scenario, and left disappointed.
@Nerve_Check5 ай бұрын
Sorry to disappoint. Will try to do better next time :-)
@JustinBerg2745 ай бұрын
@@Nerve_Check I love you guys!
@Nerve_Check8 ай бұрын
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@timwright148410 ай бұрын
Awesome break down!
@mikemccready788610 ай бұрын
Ray, Ben has led you astray. His is not the best club in Ontario...
@timwright148411 ай бұрын
Awe shucks, thanks guys 😊
@timwright148411 ай бұрын
Yeah… we don’t need a New Zealander…. 😂
@timwright148411 ай бұрын
Lol, don’t forget that Nathan also let me stay at the same time
@timwright148411 ай бұрын
Your always welcome to come up for a game!
@elvendarkness111 ай бұрын
KZfaqr inspiring 👏
@elvendarkness111 ай бұрын
Stop, reverse that, inspiring KZfaqr, much better.
@troyphoto711 ай бұрын
I didn't have Dwarf Lord on Large Beast in my Dwarven list... but I came in 22/28
@Nerve_Check11 ай бұрын
Dwarf lord on a large beast is a strong element right now. I have even seen some lists with three at 2300. I loss to Dale with this combo. They are simply great value.
@troyphoto711 ай бұрын
@@Nerve_Check Hmmmm.... perhaps my quest for the coveted wooden spoon might advance if I were to build with Mastiff Hunting Packs and Lords on Lg Beats???