Please remove ohio state's girl scout camp song from the list... Nothing against their band though
@laggeman139610 сағат бұрын
My favorites: Tennstedt, Haitink, Bernstein.
@user-wp4ju4hp5w23 сағат бұрын
Shostakovich 1rst Symphony has that iconic timpani solo at the end. C to D to Eflat roll
@sjamblerКүн бұрын
Thanks Gil. The "Muddle Instead of Music" you refer to was a Pravda article about his opera "Lady Macbeth of Mtsensk," after Stalin attended a performance and left after the first act. This caused Shostakovich to withdraw the 4th from its scheduled performance in Leningrad in December 1936. He no doubt had visions of being shipped off to Siberia in the middle of the night (or worse). It was premiered well after Stalin's death, in 1961.
@robertmcinnes7901Күн бұрын
Wouldn't it be a good idea to mention if and how many repeats are made.? They make a big difference to Schubert- not only in terms of time.
@grahammacgregor3148Күн бұрын
I am enjoying all your videos. Nielsen is one of my top favorite composers. Thanks for the mention of the older recordings of the 3rd, 4th, and 5th symphonies. They are new to me, even though I am familiar with many other more contemporary ones. Thanks!
@jeremyberman78082 күн бұрын
I think I would add the Janet Baker/Barbirolli recording of the Ruckert Lieder They also did a wonderful "Songs of A Wayfarer" which could be considered the reference recording.
@gerbs40092 күн бұрын
Gil....what an interesting video and as is apparent from some of the comments, one that poses different opinions. I look at music like all art forms as a personal matter and like you make clear, we are all individuals with our own opinions. For me there are no reference recordings, only those that I prefer over others. As you say, you do not need a degree to understand what your ears hear! Everyone but everyone cites Kleibers Beethoven 5 as the pinnacle....is it...really? Not for me. No doubt in 1974 it was groundbreaking...but much water has passed under many bridges since. Certainly the period performance movement effectively changed the perception of how music of a certain era is performed. Personal choice dictates whether you like or dislike the interpretation. I will be honest and say, I prefer it but thats not to say I disregard all else. There are literally hundreds if not thousands of recordings of the fifth and for me, my preferred choices do not include Kleiber! Additionally, for me, I prefer my Bruckner, Gunter Wand style. My Dvorak ninth is a little known recording. The LPO with Zdenek Macal... I could go on but I am sure you understand my view. Enjoy your listening everyone...whatever your choice may be!
@armandoroa98543 күн бұрын
Excellent your program. I agree with You, Furtwangler 1942 is the best..
@militaryandemergencyservic32863 күн бұрын
by the way the 'd' stands for Deutsch - after the surname of the guy who catalogued them...
@nealkurz65033 күн бұрын
Lots of good stuff! For the Unfinished I would personally substitute the Jochum/Boston Sym one on DG. Kleiber’s 8th is fine, of course, but the 3rd coupled with it is rather strange. Jochum’ s comes with a wonderful Mozart 41st. There have been lots of live Casals Prades festival recordings issued (my Music and Arts) but these Columbia releases were done after the live performances in studio sessions. For a long time I thought the were live too. There is a live Casals Schubert Quintet with the Vegh Quartet….I actually find that the more interesting performance despite a few slips. Agreed about Hollywood Quartet, but we’ll have to ask Warner, not EMI (they can’t even use the EMI logo or name now!). Cheers.
@rsmickeymooproductions48773 күн бұрын
I have to agree Jochum is the reference. Not sure why Gil missed it out.
@GilZilkha3 күн бұрын
@@rsmickeymooproductions4877I didn’t mention it because it’s not available on regular CD. You need an SACD player. Both the Mozart 41 and Schubert 8 would have made my best recordings lists if they were readily available.
@militaryandemergencyservic32863 күн бұрын
I'd also say Schiff is best for Schubert d935 no1. Katsaris for d 946 no. 2. Horowitz for d899 no. 3. The great g major quartet - the Melos quartet. I'd also say quintet the Belcea quartet for the soaring first violin in the 1st movement of the quintet. Alban quartet is good, too for d956. For d959 - Kocsis. For d958 - Charlie Albright. Horowitz for d96o (he does the ff trills). I do some Schubert pastiches here on my channel by the way: kzfaq.info/sun/PLYUhuuvIrJm0Z7vc1Olxvs1cOLMfuSo4I
@andrewashdown35413 күн бұрын
An impressive list - I'm sure it's all valid; however, I am not a nit-picker when it comes to performances .. I enjoy what I get used to - and the composer comes first, performer shld stick to the script, so to speak.
@militaryandemergencyservic32863 күн бұрын
@@andrewashdown3541 fair enough
@RaineriHakkarainen2 күн бұрын
I prefer Schubert sonatas players like Wilhelm Kempff Sviatoslav Richter Maurizio Pollini Stanislav Igolinsky Radu Lupu!!
@RaineriHakkarainen2 күн бұрын
Grigory Sokolov!!
@zogzog10633 күн бұрын
Not remotely interested in mono recordings. Pre Cambrian recordings are so poor - the instruments are as if fanta tastes like orange juice.
@wkasimer3 күн бұрын
I agree, particularly about the Busch Quartet's recordings. Quartet playing has improved drastically since the 1930's.
@GilZilkha3 күн бұрын
@@wkasimerCompletely disagree. The Busch interpretations of both the Beethoven and Schubert quartets are wonderful and fully worthy of their acclaim.
@andrewashdown35413 күн бұрын
As a 'reference' consensual, whatever, recording of the C Maj String Quintet, surely Alban Berg & Heinrich Schiff on EMI Classics, and for the D960 Brendel on Phillips?
@GilZilkha3 күн бұрын
They are among the choices, certainly
@militaryandemergencyservic32863 күн бұрын
Brendel misses out that bar in the first movement of d960 (and also the FF trills). This is a travesty, as far as I am concerned. However, my Beethoven and Tchaikovsky-lineage teacher from Kissin's old school says; Brendel is apparently one of the best for Schubert. I'd agree with the Alban Berg quartet choice of yours. I met Gunter Pilcher.
@andrewashdown35413 күн бұрын
@@militaryandemergencyservic3286 I don't normally go for Brendel - his cadenzas in the Mozart concertos are intolerable and besides which the man has an infantile sense of humour - a rather precious, self-admiring type.
@militaryandemergencyservic32863 күн бұрын
@@andrewashdown3541 Well, I will refrain from posting an ad hominem.
@andrewashdown35413 күн бұрын
@@militaryandemergencyservic3286 For this relief much thanks
@josephlow11025 күн бұрын
Pity you left out No, 7 and 8
@nicholasjagger65575 күн бұрын
What happened to 7 and 8???? You jump from Barbirolli's 5th and 6th to Walter's 9th.
@stddisclaimer80205 күн бұрын
Bruno Walter himself referred to his live 1938 VPO recording of Mahler's 9th as "deeply unsatisfactory." And that it is. The performance took place in January of that year, just before the Anschluss and Walter’s expulsion from Austria. In view of that, and a heaping helping of hindsight, this slapdash, sonically and musically insensitive reading is invested-for some-with “unique” tension and excitement; qualities which otherwise no critical listener would describe. This recording is best left forgotten, and certainly never be touted as a "great," "recommended," "consensus," or even a "must-listen-to" version.
@GilZilkha5 күн бұрын
And yet, so many have disagreed with your assessment, including myself. Is it a conspiracy?
@stddisclaimer80205 күн бұрын
@@GilZilkha Certainly not a "conspiracy," but if so, one begun through Bruno Walter himself. How "many" does it take to turn a falsehood into the truth? Cf. the bandwagon fallacy.
@DavidJohnson-of3vh5 күн бұрын
I have those Klems and greatly enjoy them.
@stephenjcarr15 күн бұрын
I own every one of these recordings, and I agree they are references.
@isqueirus5 күн бұрын
For the 1st Eliahu Inbal goes hand in hand with Kubelik, I think
@andrewashdown35415 күн бұрын
My choice has been Chailly for Nos 2 & 9, Rattle the rest. Fascinating composer but the litmus test is - could I live without him? Oh yes indeed! He and Bruckner, Shostakovich, Berg, Schoenberg, Stravinsky, Stockhausen, Messiaen ... I mean, I've enjoyed Mahler - Nos. 2, 3 & 8 especially - there are staggering passages in the 5th & 9th (the latter's Rondo-Burleske nightmarish) but, had they never been encountered, my life would not have been poorer, no, not one iota. Whereas the opposite pertains with Schubert, Mozart, Haydn, Bach, Beethoven, Rachmaninov, Tchaikovsky, Dvorak, M'ssohn, Brahms. Can't imagine life without them. That's the basic difference.
@trialman1219505 күн бұрын
No 7th? 8th?
@GilZilkha5 күн бұрын
I couldn't review everything in the 2 hours I gave for this entire video, so had to cut a few out. I do have separate videos on the best recordings of the 7th and 8th. I think the consensus reference recordings would be Bernstein/Sony for the 7th and Solti for the 8th.
@aureliorodriguezarcas22485 күн бұрын
Very good for me is symphony 5 of Malher for Claudio Abbado whith Berlin and Chicago orchestres .
@barrysaines2545 күн бұрын
Gil I want to thank you for reviewing older, historical recordings.😊
@BO-kh1iz5 күн бұрын
On the one hand, I use a lot of suggestions and reviews to discover new recordings. On the other hand, I would never let any critic tell me how centuries-old music has to be played today in order to be considered a reference recording, and with which instruments. I find some pompous dogmatists of the so-called historically informed style particularly silly. There are wonderful recordings in different styles and from different periods.
@paulhenner89146 күн бұрын
NOW I HAVE MADE MY DAY LOL...............I have finally tracked down [ at last ] a copy of Adler doing Mahler's third.............and as a bonus I have also found and purchased a copy of Horenstein doing Mahler's first and its on SACD !
@GilZilkha6 күн бұрын
Success!
@Madjed20247 күн бұрын
Dear Gil Many thanks for getting back on these beautiful horn concertos I was so delighted when I went to my LP shelves to find an LP of these by Dennis Brain with Karajan and the philharmonic orchestra (picture of the horn on red background) So it will be my evening listening I did not know about the other soloist so thank you Will seek that out
@Warp757 күн бұрын
🧠 for sure
@andrewashdown35417 күн бұрын
I have two vinyl editions of the Tuckwell / Maag / Ace of Diamonds; lovely smooth, honeyed tones - far superior to the Phillips Complete Ed which employs someone called Peter Damm
@miro.georgiev977 күн бұрын
Peter Damm is one of the French hornists to have come out of East Germany, which might explain his less "honeyed tones," a consequence of both his training and material circumstances.
@andrewashdown35416 күн бұрын
@@miro.georgiev97 That's it then.
@C0NTR4B4557 күн бұрын
Agreed re it's unfinished form. Rather like Schubert's 8th it can't be improved on IMHO.
@classicallpvault82518 күн бұрын
Klemperer's Brahms 1 is fabulous.
@Madjed20248 күн бұрын
Dear Gil May I ask that in future time allowing of course you share your take on the horn concertos ?
@GilZilkha8 күн бұрын
Since you asked, I will post it tomorrow!
@Madjed20248 күн бұрын
@@GilZilkha Been truly enjoying your videos and learning a lot I am also using the information you provide to check if I have some of the versions you are mentioning albeit I have more in LPs than in CDs Thanks again
@lilyt..8 күн бұрын
Basically every good teams fight song is good?
@rainerm.81688 күн бұрын
Isn't it great we have fantastic streaming services like Idagio who offer a huge number of recordings of the same work by many different artists and ensembles? Just take your time to listen to as many of your favourite works as you like and form your own opinion. Of course this refers to your "favourite works" only as that grants you sufficient time to compare. I found 90 recordings of Beethoven's 9th symphony. Containing versions of one conductor with different orchestras and/or date of recording as well as some remastered versions of one work. In the case of the 9th more than fifty different recordings.
@Madjed20249 күн бұрын
My dear Gil Did Ravel not conduct the Bolero himself in 1930 with the orchestre Lamoureux ? Any opinion on this ?
@OuterGalaxyLounge9 күн бұрын
Adore Chung's recording of the 3rd. Glad to see it as the first recording highlighted.
@NN-df7hl9 күн бұрын
If I may recommend another four: 1) Lina Tur Bonet/Musica Alchemica (This one just came out. It's soooo interpretively fascinating. I swear it sounds like you're hearing some pieces for first time). 2) Luka Faulisi/Orkiestra Historyczna (Full-on propulsive energy! Would make a lot other versions sound boring.) 3) Christian Li/Melbourne Symphony Orchestra (A return to the big band sound with an amazing prodigy on the violin) 4) Rachel Podger/Brecon Baroque (Got a lot of acclaim when it came out. Great period style) Gil, I'm curious if you've had a chance to listen to them and what you thought. Perhaps you could do a follow-up vid about a few more versions? :) BTW, what is the standard orchestral size for this piece? There seems to be a wide variety. Cheers!
@stevouk9 күн бұрын
Horenstein in number 5 is a fantastic reading. Right from the shimmering opening you know you are in for something special. Alfred Dukes, the New Philharmonia percussionist, is surely the most attacking snare drummer of all. It gripped me as a teenager and grips me still. The only slight snag is that Dukes enters a bar too early, realises his mistake, stops, then comes in again. Not a fatal error, but could it not have been patched later? There is also an audible 'clack' as he puts the drumsticks down in the coda... could that not have been mixed out? These reservations aside, this is not a recording to be ignored!
@morrigambist9 күн бұрын
There is an unnecessary pause before the finale of #4 on the CD you help up. It is corrected on the Navigator edition (with #1) and in the Martinon box.
@GilZilkha9 күн бұрын
Yup, it’s a bit aggravating. I hit arrow forward when listening to it.
@bobleroe38599 күн бұрын
For the Violin Sonatas, I've been listening to Andrew Manze's 2-disc set, and it is outstanding.
@indranilpoddar71959 күн бұрын
Hi how about Bernstein in the 3rd, essential listening I would think even though I love Tuxen and Chung…I believe there is a version by Jensen as well…I love the Blomstedt on Decca and Ole Schmidt as well…
@GilZilkha9 күн бұрын
Bernstein’s Nielsen is well-played and powerful
@joselatorre16969 күн бұрын
For me the best version ever heard of this work is that conducted by van Beinum with the Concertgebouw Orchestra, a very very exciting performance and in excellent sound remastered by Dutton Laboratories.
@peterloibl40699 күн бұрын
Full disclosure: I’m a Buckeye fan and I consider OSU-Miami the greatest title game ever. But … this might be higher if I’m being honest with myself.
@mikeleghorn609210 күн бұрын
There are gazillions of great Mozart recordings that are also pleasing to listen to, i.e. recorded in stereo. I’m never impressed by people who claim to like old recordings.
@GilZilkha10 күн бұрын
A. We hear what we hear B. If people like an old recording, it is due to what they hear, not an attempt to impress others C. On my channel I encourage people to respect that others may hear a recording differently, regardless of whether you hear it the same way
@Madjed202410 күн бұрын
My dear Gil I wish you also shared as part of other marvelous chamber music ref recordings for The two sextets And the trios Any intent to do a video on these ?
@GilZilkha10 күн бұрын
Coming soon!
@23StudiosSports10 күн бұрын
Arkansas is so underrated. Hell they are all great. How can one not love college sports??
@andrewashdown354110 күн бұрын
I'm unsure what your definition of 'reference' or 'consensus' is ...'people in the know'.... By those rather nebulous 'definitions', I could as easily cite Cantelli, Loughran, Paray, Wand, Barenboim, Kubelik, Kondrashin, none of whom you mention. I'd be more convinced if you gave your own honest opinion. Following 'people in the know' , i.e. the almost always wrong critics, is a counsel of despair.
@GilZilkha10 күн бұрын
I defined this in my larger video. It’s an imperfect science, of course, and more often than not represents a plurality as opposed to majority. You could easily cite others, but I don’t think they are as often mentioned as the ones I cited. I recommend my own choices in other videos which you can easily look up. For example, in the four symphonies, only the Kleiber 4th is one I count as my own first choice.
@andrewashdown354110 күн бұрын
@@GilZilkha Kleiber agreed. But there is very little to separate many of the rest.
@wkasimer10 күн бұрын
The problem with "consensus" choices is that they will invariably favor recordings that a) have been around for a long time, b) are on major labels and thus are relatively easy to find, and c) date from the 60's and 70's, when recordings tended to stay in print for many years (as opposed to more modern recordings, which sometimes disappear within a few months). And of course, they favor famous artists - most of them, of course, deserve their fame, but some really don't. But these Brahms choices are mostly pretty solid - it's hard not to recommend Klemperer and Walter for Brahms symphonies, or Oistrakh for the violin concerto. I'm less enamored of the Gilels/Jochum piano concertos, particularly #2.
@GilZilkha10 күн бұрын
I love the majestic Gilels/Jochum #2. The tempo shift halfway through the second movement works very well, and I have not heard a more beautiful rendition of the Andante.
@cristianmicu10 күн бұрын
i like classical music, all composers except mozart, as a matter of fact
@jeremyberman780811 күн бұрын
Two alternate essential choices for you: the Grumiaux/Pelliccia/Davis Mozart Sinfonia Concertante and the Marcellus/Szell Mozart Clarinet Concerto. Although it isn't my favorite of the last six symphonies, I agree with you about the Walter set. I also agree with your choices for the operas although I'm a big fan of the Krips Don Giovanni. But I agree with you that the Giulini is the reference version.
@GilZilkha11 күн бұрын
Excellent choices. There is a good argument for both Marcellus and Grumiaux (for all the violin concertos). I’m also a big fan of the Krips Don Giovanni, moreso than the Giulini.