The WDAC1210s and the WDAC2850 I have seek-test with no computer (with nothing jumpered, meaning "Master only"), and if they're jumpered to "MA" (Master with slave present), they will not seek-test until the slave detection is done. They were probably busy looking for slave. Good demo of what put WD on the map! They sure atoned for the Tandon-based stuff they had to ship before the WDAC140/280.
@gennideeАй бұрын
@junker15 Thanks for your reply. That might have been the case. I did not try jumpering them differently for this comparison. I know that some WD drives are a bit sensitive to being jumpered correctly in order to be detected correctly by the BIOS.
@mathmos2526Ай бұрын
you parked the drive right?
@gennideeАй бұрын
Before that happened I always parked it, yes.
@junker152 ай бұрын
I had ST3243A in 1994. That was the absolute SLOWEST drive I ever owned. You are not imagining things; these are way slower than they should be. My WDAC1210 that was my other hard drive trounced this in terms of speed. I also had ST3390A later in 1994. Very good drive. It's apparently got some CDC design on it (that actuator solenoid sure sounds like some of the other CDC-designed Seagates)
@gennidee2 ай бұрын
Thanks for your answer and sharing your experience with the ST3243A. It's strange, that it lacks so much behind the other models of this drive family. The ST3390A is a completely different animal. I think this might have been one of the fastest drives back in the day together with the WDAC2340H.
@maxtornogood4 ай бұрын
This video felt like a funeral montage. R.I.P Kalok!
@maxtornogood4 ай бұрын
Have to say I enjoy the random rock music that goes with this! I also enjoy the sound of old hard drives 😄
@gennidee4 ай бұрын
Thanks for your comment. Glad you like the video (:
@Placeholder716 ай бұрын
Have you tried adjusting the head stack's addressable range?
@gennidee6 ай бұрын
Dunno how to do that other then typing in less cylinders in the BIOS, which I have tried but to no avail.
@douro207 ай бұрын
I believe this drive uses a pancake servo rather than a stepper.
@gennidee7 ай бұрын
Do you mind me asking what a pancake servo is?
@douro207 ай бұрын
@@gennidee It's a flat brushless DC servo motor.
@gennidee7 ай бұрын
@douro20 I see, so the "pancake" is a reference to the form factor then ^^ Well I got the information, that the ST351A/X uses a stepper motor, from various sources on the Internet. I think it is even mentioned in the old data sheet that was hosted on the Seagate FTP server until a few years ago. But it might well be, that it is actually a servo motor. I have a dead ST351. I will try moving the motor by hand and see, if it rotates in steps or not. I presume a servo would rotate smoothly?
@douro207 ай бұрын
@@gennidee It would.
@gennidee7 ай бұрын
@@douro20I dug out my faulty ST351A/X today and rotating the motor with a finger I can feel that it has very fine steps, so I guess it's a genuine stepper motor then.
@user-oo7iw6bx7s7 ай бұрын
Who is really the last stepper hdd? This Seagate, or Kalok octagon kl3100?
@Kali_Krause3 күн бұрын
The Kalok Octagon KL3100 is the last true stepper drive. By 1995, most had switched to voice coil and using the SCSI or Early IDE format
@titotech7 ай бұрын
chug chug chug chug
@godfreypoon514811 ай бұрын
It just wanted to be a steam train.
@uc8tv Жыл бұрын
The Maxtor just arrived today, but there are several layers of strange. This drive was very, very poorly packed, only having a couple of plastic air packs on top of it. No protection at all on the bottom. And second of all, I got the wrong model. I was supposed to get a Maxtor 90651u2. but I ended up getting a Maxtor 91021U2. The thing is, I've only seen this drive mentioned once on the internet that I know of. So I have decided to keep the drive. The seek-test is also a bit odd. It has the usual Maxtor startup that the Maxtor drives typically have from that period. But then 2 seconds after you think it is done, it does a BUZZZZZZZZZZZ. But it works and is healthy as of right now. And that brings us to now. I wanted to ask you since you have a ton of drives and you've been collecting them a while so I was wondering if know anything else about the drive model I got, please let me know.
@gennidee Жыл бұрын
Poorly packed drives - how I hate it. Had several drives shipped to me in a similar manner. One drive was just wrapped in thin card board. It didn't work at first so I opened a case on eBay and got my money back. After that I took off the PCB, cleaned all the contacts of the connectors and put it back together and now it works. Very strange. But it rarely works out that way. Most of the time they stay dead or develop more and more bad sectors. Too bad about your Maxtor. Since it somehow works, try MHDD in repeat mode and let it run for an afternoon or so, just to see if it develops bad sectors. MHDD is also a good tool to see if some sectors are marginal. I don't know anything about the drive, though. I don't care about drives bigger then 8.4GB. Funnily enough, since I have a list of all of my drives, I just checked my list and I have two Maxtor 91021U2. If yours goes bad give me a note. Maybe you can have one of mine for the cost of shipping.
@uc8tv Жыл бұрын
@@gennidee Im scanning it a second time. The first scan took 9 hours to complete. 324 out of 2420 sectors are bad. And only around 6.84 gb are usable. I am scanning a second time to uncover more.
@gennidee Жыл бұрын
@@uc8tv I think you can leave it alone. Bad sectors will only grow with every run on a badly damaged drive like this ...
@uc8tv Жыл бұрын
@@gennidee I had the scan running through the night but it reported 268 bad sectors this time.
@gennidee Жыл бұрын
@@uc8tv This drive has S.M.A.R.T. built in. It probably detects and remaps bad sectors so they are not used again. Of course if the bad sector count is increasing, it will find new bad sectors every time you run a scan. Can you read out the S.M.A.R.T. data from this drive? There is an attribute called "Reallocated sector count" that counts the remaped sectors. From what you tell me this thing is a brick.
@uc8tv Жыл бұрын
I just bought a new drive for my collection. It is a Maxtor 90651U2. I found it for $15. It is one of the drives i've found on eBay for the cheapest. (My quantum fireball was $5 more) I am waiting for it to get here. I hope it works. So look for an updated hard drive collection video soon, with a better mic (aside from my 40mb drive which I dont have access to at the moment.) And I am not going to be getting any western digital drives (the only way I am getting them is if they are in a lot with quantum or maxtor drives) Anyway I need to get sleep cuz tmrw is gonna be a busy day.
@XL-Tech Жыл бұрын
I recently got an ST-1144A. Really unique drives. Also really odd. They tend to throw temper tantrums and randomly toss the heads around if the molex connector is slightly loose, which is very common. The connectors on those are very tight and aren't built to be unplugged and plugged in a lot as it seems. That's a very sad downside, because these are otherwise very reliable drives. Mine has 0 bad or slow sectors, even if its a little finicky.
@uc8tv Жыл бұрын
I think two of my drives are failing. The older of the 2 seagate U5's and the JTS Champion I decided to livestream me messing with my hard drives for 3 hours on my second channel @pdguy5000 with installing old operating systems on my drives. The 2 hour one is better than the 1 hour one. Anyway in the first stream my Seagate U5 beeped several times and then spun up, just to spin down. And then it happened again when I tried to boot it back up. SO I gave it one last try and after it did some more spindle start beeps, it finally stayed going. My guess it stiction. I have been using a usb adapter. It powers the drive externally and with the usb itself as well. (Molex Adapter). Anyway in stream 2 (the 2 hour one) Where the Quantum and Connor didn't give me any issues. The same can't be said for the jts where reading data seemed to be fine, but writing data would stop working about halfway through and the entire drive would go unresponsive until I restarted it. So yeah. I just need help figuring out the issues with this drive. I should also mention that my other U5 works flawlessly with the usb.
@gennidee Жыл бұрын
That's sad but those old drives will fail eventually. Don't know if the USB adapter might be the issue. One of the U5's might work fine but the other doesn't necessarily habe to be the same. I would always use a genuine IDE connection to the mainboard. But the U series Seagates are not known for superb reliability so it might be the drive after all that's acting up. I started going over my drives again like I do every 1..2 years and have 2 fatalities so far, not even 25% through my stack. Them sitting and doing nothing isn't keeping them from dying it seems. I actually think about selling some drives. They might still have a few years and someone might actually use them frequently in their vintage rig so they stay better exercised.
@uc8tv Жыл бұрын
@@gennidee Yeah. At least the Conner CFS850A and the Quantum Fireball are working amazing. I was exercising most of my drives earlier
@gennidee Жыл бұрын
@@uc8tv These Conner drives from the Capo Series look very nice in my opinion. Later when Seagate bought Conner they rebadged them and sold them as Seagate. My very first PC had a Seagate ST31621A that was actually a Conner drive. It was loud and slow, though, and not very reliable. Like most Connors, unfortunately.
@uc8tv Жыл бұрын
I was going back through and watching your 40MB hard drive video and I got an idea. In the past on one of the comments, I remember you saying something about having several Seagate ST351A/X drives. And that got me to thinking, would the date of manufacturing have something to do with the speed of the drive. Also it would be nice to hear more than one stepper motor drive again running windows 95. It would prolly sound like a late 80s early 90s computer lab!
@gennidee Жыл бұрын
Hi, yes I have seven working ST351A/X. I think I could do a video with several of them working at once but I'm not quite sure how I manage them to load simultaneously... probably one for the W95 OS and one for the swap file would do a bit of stereo action for ya... any other ideas?
@uc8tv Жыл бұрын
@@gennidee I was thinking you could do the video in he same way as the first 40 mb video. Anyway my other idea is that you take other drives with similar capacities, like 300 to 400 mb drives and have them booting up an operating system that fills the drive and you could end up making a series of different capacity drives with different brands to see which drives are better than others. I would go up to 10 Gigabytes. (Just go up in Gigabytes for the drives over a gigabyte). I was thinking about doing it with two of my drives (JTS Champion and Quantum Fireball EX both 3.2 GB) but I am still in the process of moving and I dont have much of my equipment other than my drives to be able to make the video. Anyway, those are my main ideas if you are interested in making any of them.
@fabianolimafernandes6557 Жыл бұрын
Oi
@maxtornogood Жыл бұрын
I enjoy the sounds of old Caviars! ❤
@gennidee Жыл бұрын
Very recognisable (: the early Caviars are my favourites..
@MBC9277 Жыл бұрын
Loads of useful info in this video - thank you! I'm in the process of testing / recording all my HDDs and I'll put this to good use :)
@gennidee Жыл бұрын
You're welcome (: One thing I discovered since making this video: There is an older version of MHDD, I think it is version 3.0, that can also test CHS (non LBA) drives. I still use the never version for LBA drives though. That might be useful for you when testing your drives.
@MBC9277 Жыл бұрын
Great video! I appreciate the time and effort it must have taken to make this comparison 👍
@gennidee Жыл бұрын
Thank you (: it was fun ... but yeah, it took some time, especially since the software I use is very hard to get decent results from. (:
@XL-Tech Жыл бұрын
I recently acquired a caviar 140. amazing drives
@gennidee Жыл бұрын
Indeed they were pretty good back in the day. Did you check out my 40MB drive contest video? Spoiler: The WDAC140 was the fastest ^^
@gennidee Жыл бұрын
@@XL-Tech Quite familiar ^^
@MrHBSoftware Жыл бұрын
did you ever low level format the drive?
@gennidee Жыл бұрын
Not after this problem came up but it will not really low level format anyways as most IDE drives won't. IDE on-drive-electronics will prevent almost all IDE drives from low level formatting and instead erase it only (like a normal format).
@MrHBSoftware Жыл бұрын
@@gennidee you can low level format early ide stepper drives with great sucess...i just did a board swap on a seagate st157 to convert it from scsi to ide and low level formatted it and it runs fantastic... the best way is to get acess to an old 286 or 386 board that has a low level format utility embedded on the bios setup...but you can also do it by " conventional software"
@gennidee Жыл бұрын
@Hugo B. thanks for your suggestion. I never did a board swap so couldn't test this. After LLF I always just ended up with an empty drive but it never changed anything regarding bad sectors or throughput (by changing the interleave) even with stepper motor drives. So I assumed these drives were too smart already and ignored the LLF instructions. I think I tested it on an ST351A/X that was (and still is) bad. But you're right, the Kalok might be dumb enough^^ The Kalok drive from this video is still not able to even initialize. I had it working for one boot up a few months ago but after a reset it went back to doing the crazy stuff at startup. So I don't know how to LLF it when it won't even initialize... I will keep it in my collection though. Maybe I will get another one in the future so I can try swapping PCBs. My test rig is a P1 MMX 233 btw. that has LLF available in the BIOS. (:
@MrHBSoftware Жыл бұрын
@@gennidee i can assure you it works on some early IDE drives.....works on many stepper drives, but i think i never got sucess on voice coil drives......anyway if it doesnt, dont throw it away...in countless times i salvage parts from old dead drives to other ones i come across and from two or three i can often make a good one... if your drive doesnt initialize then youll not be able to LLF...llf only works if the drive detects and works but throws random read write errors...spinrite and some other drive exerciser/refresher softwares often can recover bad sectors, depending on what caused them... but the drive has to be in working order so you will always need the drive to perform its self test sucessfully...kalok drives have a very bad reputation so it would be super cool to have one working.....
@gennidee Жыл бұрын
@@MrHBSoftware Thanks again for your input (: Always nice to read about other collector's experiences. My bad-drive-stack has become quite big already. I tried to sell some of the most frequent ones on eBay to enable other collectors to aquire spare parts but with little success. I think I have about 20 bad drives that I consider "not functional" even though some of them technically do work but have a ton of bad sectors. These might be good PCB donors. Unfortunately it has become hard to get vintage drives for reasonable cash on eBay. I normally only go for known good drives. Last month I bought 5 vintage drives that were "untested" and of course 4 were completely inoperational. Two wouldn't even spin up. Only one worked: A Quantum 52AT. For a total of 7 bucks with shipping I still don't complain. That one drive was well worth the 7€ ^^
@admxans Жыл бұрын
I have such a disk! I will know what to prescribe in the Bios. The computer sees it, but there are no partitions.
@admxans Жыл бұрын
@@gennidee ok
@gennidee Жыл бұрын
@@admxans thanks (: ... I'm not quite sure if I understand your question correctly... So the drive is detected alright in the bios and is also initialized without an error, correct? But you don't see partitions in DOS? Try running FDISK in DOS to see if there are partitions. There might be non-DOS partitions that are not visible in DOS or no partition at all. .... Does that answer your question?
@admxans Жыл бұрын
@@gennidee Thanks for the reply. I have set the disk geometry settings just like you have in the video. FDISK was able to see the partitions. I deleted and created a new one. But its formatting is impossible. In windows xp, the disk is also not formatted. The disk manager says that the disk size is 9.43 GB. Probably hardware incompatibility or the disk is faulty. Similar disks of 40 and 170 MB are perfectly defined on my PC.
@gennidee Жыл бұрын
@@admxans hm that's strange... Does at least FDISK report the right size? And did you configure it as a "normal" drive in BIOS? "LBA" or "large" would be wrong ... I'm not at home right now but as far as I remember the CHS parameters for this drive were 977/5/17 and "normal". Windows sometimes doesn't use the BIOS parameters so it might be confused but DOS and FDISK is reliant on the right parameters in the BIOS so it should partition the drive correctly. Try formatting it in DOS as well. If that doesn't work, check jumpers. If these are set correctly and it still doesn't work I'm afraid the drive is faulty. Maybe try it on a different PC to be sure and never use an IDE2USB adapter for old non-LBA drives. Best of luck!
@admxans Жыл бұрын
@@gennidee Yes, fdisk correctly shows the disk size. The disk is not formatted for DOS and windows. Yes, the CHS parameters for this disk were 977/5/17! I have a lot of old hardware, so I can check on another PC. Then I will report the result. Thank you for the information and your interesting channel!
@uc8tv Жыл бұрын
Speedsys could have killed it. The intense movements of the heads could have been a bit to much for the drive and shifted some of the poorly/cheaply made parts out of place or caused some damage. I am not that good at inspecting hard drives though. Just a thought.
@gennidee Жыл бұрын
That's my suspicion, too.
@gennidee Жыл бұрын
@@uc8tv I had it running again briefly after that problem first came up. But as soon as the last sector is adressed it bangs against the stopper again, even when merely formatting the drive.
@ellohssaeucoof5621 Жыл бұрын
Could be a mechanical problem with the stepper motor.
@gennidee Жыл бұрын
Probably yes ... I will try to oil it up once I acquired the right oil for this kind of task. Another viewer suggested trying this.
@AiOinc1 Жыл бұрын
Dang, no WD93044A huh These early Caviar drives are nice though
@gennidee Жыл бұрын
These early black Caviars are my favourites. Since I made this video I found some old PCs in the ditch though. One had a WD93044A in it so I'm a proud owner of one of them now, too^^ and it works well.
@TheDiskMaster7 ай бұрын
@@gennideeWD93044A is an interesting drive! One of the first IDE units available, built on the shell of a Tandon TM262.
@RicardoAmaralAndrade Жыл бұрын
Long time no see, my old friend. miss the times we spent hours together (because you were kind of slow). Memory is eternal!
@AiOinc1 Жыл бұрын
Stepper needs oil I can assure you. Either that or the metal strap is stretched/damaged. You could also oil the HDA pivot.
@gennidee Жыл бұрын
I think the head assembly is damaged somehow. When I got it briefly working again and did a sweep from Cylinder 0 to the end it hit the bumper before reaching the last cylinder. So either it misplaces the head, but that would mean that it can't read data properly (which it could) or the geometry of the head stack changed somehow. Don't know how that might have happened though. But I will try oiling the stepper. Hopefully you're right and that fixes it ^^ thanks for your input
@AiOinc1 Жыл бұрын
Before and after I think your stepper needs some oil...
@gennidee Жыл бұрын
Don't know how that would fix the issue described but I will try (:
@AiOinc1 Жыл бұрын
@@gennidee If the stepper is improperly lubricated, the drive will attempt to execute access commands but fail without knowing. There is no feedback system on the Octagon I (KL-320, KL-330, KL-341, KL-343, KL-360). The drive thinks it's moved forward but it has not. Inevitably, it will spit out invalid data, and the system will request it to try again, which Kalok drives treat as a step to track 0 and then retry. If it's already at track 0 and is asked to step back several times, it will bang against the stop.
@gennidee Жыл бұрын
@@AiOinc1 that makes sense except it bangs against the other stop at the end of the address range (innermost). I had it overshooting track 0, too, but the loud banging noise is when it hits the inner bumper. Still your explanation might cover this fault, too.
@AiOinc1 Жыл бұрын
The high pitched squeal is a possible issue, since it "holds" when you stop there once in a while I think it is a failing or failed stepper motor controller. This disk uses microstepping and half stepping to achieve it's displacement, which means the stepper controller will "hold" the head position when on a microstep. This is done with high speed PWM in the software and as such you're probably hearing a shorted transistor dumping a bunch of current through a stepper winding.
@MyComputerStudios_ Жыл бұрын
hey there. just like older quantums, this drive might have that sticky rubber bumper issue. check if there's rubber and if you can, replace it.
@gennidee Жыл бұрын
Hi and thanks for your reply. No sticky bumpers here, though. On the last picture you can see that there is just a hard stopper that, I think, will not be used in normal operation but in case the wrong CHS values are typed in it prevents the stepper motor from overrunning and damaging the heads. But otherwise no bumpers.
@XL-Tech2 жыл бұрын
wow, look a that thing shake when it reads and writes! I love stepper motor drives!
@gennidee2 жыл бұрын
The ST351A/X is my favorite drive (: Not the best sounding but I have a story with them and it's kinda cute, being the most modern drive with old stepper motor technology.
@XL-Tech2 жыл бұрын
@@gennidee i like the sound of the stepper motor humming during the seektest, thats what makes this drive different from most other stepper motor drives. others dont have this low pitched of a motor.
@gennidee2 жыл бұрын
@@XL-Tech this drive has a very unique sound and I dare say I would recognise it from its spin up sound alone even when in an enclosure ...
@uc8tv2 жыл бұрын
I found a JTS Palladium on ebay for $7.50 should I get it? Also I found a Kalok 343 for $49.99 should I get it too?
@gennidee2 жыл бұрын
I can't advise you on that... if the JTS works it's probably a no brainer for a collector to buy it but you will only know for sure if it works once it arrived. The KALOK would be too expensive for me but then again I see that HDDs are sold for crazy money on ebay so that decision is very subjective...
@XzTS-Roostro2 жыл бұрын
I grew up on WD Caviar HDDs during the 1990s, so some of these brings me back
@gennidee2 жыл бұрын
Very nostalgic and distinctive sound (:
@almonddrive-00132 жыл бұрын
Can you do a hard disk collection video?
@godfreypoon51482 жыл бұрын
Seems like your stepper is dropping steps. They do that if the load is more than they can move when trying to step fast. Probably dried up old grease in the stepper. Perhaps try getting a few drops of penetrating oil into it?
@XLGaming2 жыл бұрын
Weird, your caviar 1210 doesn't seem to do the seektest. I'm curious if yours has the same weird behavior as my caviar 31000 where it has a delayed seek when set to the master jumper setting. My caviar 31000 only does the normal seek when in cable select or slave. Does your caviar 1210 seek normally when set to slave? Edit: i assume that delay is normal, as multiple of your drives have it, and so does my caviar 31000.
@gennidee2 жыл бұрын
@@XLGaming Actually that's not my observation. The black drives with monochrome label tend to give me the least trouble amongst all my <1GB WD drives. Only the very early 40MB/platter based models seem to have issues. I have three WDAC280, one of which works flawlessly while the other two have tons of bad sectors. Like in the vicinity of 60...70% of all sectors are bad. Probably the magnetic coating getting weak because it's so well distributed over the whole drive. The depopulated version WDAC140 works fine but throughput is a bit all over the place so it seems to show early symptoms of week platters as well. But WDAC2120, 2170, 2200 --> working very well. The black drives with colored labels on the other hand mostly have a few bad sectors. Namely WDAC2340, 2540. Also the silver WDAC2540, 2635 and 2850 do have bad sectors. So my theory is that quality was compromised when they gave their drives the new labels. Above 1GB it's also a mixed bag of flawless models and models with bad sectors. Too bad. Seagates from this era are less prone to bad sectors, at least in my collection.
@XLGaming2 жыл бұрын
@@gennidee most of the issues with early drives that i've seen are probably due to drives sitting for years on end, without being powered on. Thats usually not good for drives, because ECC cant correct errors if the drive isnt powered on! I agree with your theory, they probably changed the technology when they changed the label, and the new technology doesnt last as long. Most silver color drives I see are over 1GB, so the technology on those drives is most likely newer. There are specific drives from WD from the 90s that are usually pretty good in terms of reliability. Drives from 1995-1996 seem to be less prone to errors. I'm not certain about 1992-1994 drives, because I've seen many perfect drives, and many bad drives from that time. I stick with 1995-1996 silver drives, because they typically last a long time in my experience. When I said the black cover drives are more error prone, I was mostly talking about the colored label drives. The old monochrome label drives dont develop as many bad sectors as the colored label drives from what i see.
@gennidee2 жыл бұрын
@@XL-Tech Would be interesting to know if the Ultra66 controller works with those ancient drives. I never tested this. MHDD is a very good tool to check the health of your drive. It's DOS only, though, and should be used in real DOS, not the Windows DOS prompt. Use the old MHDD 3.0 version that supports non-LBA drives as well. Btw. Pentium 4 or Athlon XP era Mainboards can be purchased for dirt cheap in a thrift store or on eBay. These boards do have IDE controllers on board that should support old ATA drives as well....
@XLGaming2 жыл бұрын
@@gennidee I do not have any drives smaller than 850MB. my only vintage drive is the Caviar 2850.
@XL-Tech Жыл бұрын
@@gennidee my 2850 has no marks on the top platter, but i know the heads are touching the platter somewhere. when i power it down, it makes the classic *scrape scrape scrape scrape scrape scrape* I dont think it's a head crash because it took a bit for it to die, but i know one of the heads are dead. the seektest changed, but isnt strait click of death somehow.
@hamdyelsadek43662 жыл бұрын
how much WD caviar 2200 ?
@gennidee2 жыл бұрын
Not for sale
@vegapiratradiovpr4252 жыл бұрын
bad capacitors
@godfreypoon51482 жыл бұрын
These drives make a really pleasing sound when hurled forcefully into a dumpster.
@raymondleggs55082 жыл бұрын
Beeeeeep Beeeep!
@spontanvideok2462 жыл бұрын
Wooow. My Childhood WD Caviar HDD spinning up Sounds😍😍😍Very Amazin Black Version WD Caviar HDD.😍Please more more such video.
@ACompExp2 жыл бұрын
Ok, you forgot 1170 there in the description and thumbnail
@krz88888882 жыл бұрын
We get that mfm like stepper motor action with a modern interface, I want one
@krz88888882 жыл бұрын
Sounds great!
@gennidee2 жыл бұрын
I think so too (:
@ducksonplays41902 жыл бұрын
This video is saddening in a way, I didn't notice any fans. ;(
@gennidee2 жыл бұрын
What do you mean?
@ducksonplays41902 жыл бұрын
@@gennidee I couldn't hear any fans in the background.
@gennidee2 жыл бұрын
The microphone was sitting right next to the drive so it predominantly records the drive and not the rest of the PC. Check out the picture at 3:30. That's the test setup I used. Of course the CPU and PSU have a fan to keep them nice and cold (: You can even see the CPU fan spinning.
@ducksonplays41902 жыл бұрын
@@gennidee It was just intended to be a pun, I don't use a computer to test my drives, just a power supply.
@gennidee2 жыл бұрын
That's what i thought, hence my question what you meant ... I always use my computer to test them. See the corresponding video where I show my test procedure.
@arnlol2 жыл бұрын
I assumed Kyocera drives were only MFM, I guess I was wrong. Interesting how the curve changes in speedsys when it gets close to the end of the drive. When you stated that story about the drive I thought you managed to buy the exact drive you sold years ago but I guess this is better since it looks to be in very good condition. I have seen that video you mentioned about the Lapine drive before, which was quite interesting (Interestingly, lapine is a French word for female rabbit though it’s likely just a coincidence)
@gennidee2 жыл бұрын
Hey, nice to read from you again (: Buying my former drive back would have been a huge coincidence. I bet it doesn't exist anymore. I think I would not have recognized it, too, since apart from the squeeky (or to rephrase it: more squeeky) stepper motor, there were no other differentiators that would make me recognize it again after almost 20 years. This one is in way too good shape, so it must be another drive. I'm wondering about the odd curve, too. At this point about 70..75% into the drive the sound and curve of the track2track access changed, also the throughput of the read curves. But the linear verify curve goes slightly up, the linear read slightly down. No idea why that would be. Also remember the little benchmark tool I wrote? It seems to be on point with it's 5.5ms so it must have moved the heads, still I don't hear the stepper motor. In SpeedSys it was clearly audible. I guess SpeedSys must do something a little bit different here. Anyways, how is your collection going?
@arnlol2 жыл бұрын
@@gennidee The game server that made me the money I used to buy the drives at somewhat high prices died down so I can no longer afford to continue like I did before. I need to try and get a new ST-1144A because the one I have is failing now but aside from that I probably won’t buy single drives anymore for now unless they are really cheap, maybe will go with lots if they are cheap and interesting enough.
@gennidee2 жыл бұрын
@@arnlol That's too bad about the game server. I'm on the lookout for cheap drives all the time but it seems they become harder to come by. So good luck with that. Prices on eBay are mostly way out. The lot I bought was the only purchase I could make for months. All that stuff cost me around 50€ with shipping so that's fine. Why do you specifically want another ST1144A? Any story behind that? I have one and while I think this is a fine drive it's not in my favorites list (:
@arnlol2 жыл бұрын
Wow I was watching some hard drives videos again (or at least trying to but there isn’t that much new ones it seems) and it looks like I never replied to that? Well it’s just part of the seagate collection and I like how it sounds. Though I messed with it recently and managed to make it work again for now, who knows for how long though. (It’s not very likely I’ll be able to get another one anyways)
@gennidee2 жыл бұрын
@@arnlol I have quite a few ideas what I could make a video off. I try to stock up on old mainboards, CPUs and accessories from the Pentium 1 era and older before they get unobtainium. Actually I got lucky and found a huge pile of mainboards, controller cards, HDDs and FDDs in the dumpster a while ago. All P1 and older. That would have made a very nice video. I just don't have the time at the moment. Work is pretty intense and the free time that I have I rather do stuff that doesn't involve the brain too much. But I have videos planned, albeit a different topic ^^
@Vladimir941052 жыл бұрын
I have one too, and yes, very slow ^^ Sounds of the stepper motor reminds me plastic straw lol
@gennidee2 жыл бұрын
It is not the best sounding stepper motor drive, that is true. Still one of my favorites (: I think I have 6 working ones by now and two dead ones.
@uc8tv2 жыл бұрын
@@gennidee What would the dead one sound like?
@gennidee2 жыл бұрын
@@uc8tv the same except rhythmic reading atttempts when a sector is not readable
@uc8tv2 жыл бұрын
@@gennidee Wanna see my hard drive collection? I am a new hard drive collector and I want to know if my collection is any good.
@gennidee2 жыл бұрын
@@uc8tv the JTS drive is really cool and rare. I hardly come across one on ebay and if one is for sale its pretty expensive (like most vintage drives)
@ducksonplays41902 жыл бұрын
Sadly, I haven't found the easter egg, or I may have and not thought much of it. Or is the "Duckson Plays: You're welcome :)" at 9:49? That is an extremely cool sounding drive. The video is also fantastic, and I like the commentary and editing. It is nice to know we both like extremely slow hard drives.
@ducksonplays41902 жыл бұрын
@@gennidee Maybe, it would be a pain though, the installation of windows 98 takes hours.
@Vladimir941052 жыл бұрын
First video on internet about this HDD wow!
@gennidee2 жыл бұрын
Well this is my 2nd KC-40GA, as explained in the video. The drive I had 20 years ago was open several times over a period of maybe a year or two. I did not have it open for long each time and took care it was not contaminated too much, still it collected a bit of dust over time. But it never gave me trouble. No bad sectors or problems with the stepper motor as I experience them with my Kalok drive (see the Kalok videos for details). So from my experience these seem more solid. I keep my fingers crossed this drive will keep on going for a long time (:
@Vladimir941052 жыл бұрын
@@gennidee Yes of course I will tell you when I upload video :) but i think first i going to make video about ST225 in my 286 PC. I have lot of drives to record but I am lazy lmao ^^
@Vladimir941052 жыл бұрын
@@gennidee Yep I also don't fell comfortable to speak english I'm from Poland lol. Try to LLF damaged ST251 as 5 heads instead 6 heads, this might work when 1 head is damaged (only if the head number last is damaged)