Common thread: The suits get involved, know that studios can vomit out any old crap in a beloved franchise, and laugh into their money.

Stretching The Hobbit to 3 films was undoubtedly a mistake but another massive mistake (imo) is PJ CGI'ing over everything and not using the brilliant costumes to their fullest (as per LotR). The extras, where he shows extras clad in amazing Goblin costumes, are fantastic - only for him to splat all over that with overly CGI'd replacements (which looks far worse) :(

Solid list. In a few years you’ll have to toss the FANTASTIC BEASTS films and the TRANSFORMERS films into an updated list. Plenty of mistakes made with those two franchises.

Thats why the 3rd Hobbit movie is called "The Bloating of the Five Pages" because the 3rd one is literally the last 5 pages of the book HEAVILY expanded..

I always stick around for Jules' encouragement at the end of the videos.

The allegory of the DCEU: A fellow is standing by the side of the road when another guy walks by with a sack brimming with treasure. "Where'd you get all gold?" he asks. "Oh, there's a cave in the woods that's stuffed with immense wealth! I'll give you a map on exactly how to get there, but it's a journey that lasts an hour." "Oh, no need for that. I'll go my own way because I want to get there in just fifteen minutes..."

The Hobbit thing was sad because clearly Jackson was right to make it 2 movies, but the studio forced him to make it 3 after the first film released. I guess financially they were right, but it still meant WETA was forced into overwork and Jackson was sent to the hospital. (Plus the first movie was still great, it just got increasingly terrible with 2 and 3)

TROS also basically de-canonized the storyline introduced in the 2017 Star Wars Battlefront 2 game. And it's only because of one small detail. In the first few levels of the game, you see pieces of the giant dish floating around in space, from the Death Star 2 explosion... but then TROS showed us that the HUGE chunk of the dish part of the Death Star somehow didn't explode and landed on some random planet other than Endor.

I'd love it if the next Bond was written to have a specific era spanning arc. It'd be cool to see Bond in the 60's - 80's to see how the height and fall of the Cold War and the changing times change him.

The franchise missing from this list is the Divergent series. 1. Trying to jump on the bandwagon and split the 3rd movie into 2 parts. 2. Changing the plot from the original book with the main characters. 3. When the first one was a flop, trying to create a TV series that was never to be effectively leaving the franchise unfinished.

DC/WB were in a rush to catch up with Marvel but that wasn't their only mistake. Marvel had the 12A/PG-13 rated market locked down. DC tried to cash in on the same market by presenting something that looked different - more grown-up - but was fundamentally the same. It's only recently that they've started putting out quality content with 15/R-rated entries, allowing their creative teams some freedom, rather than trying to copy a formula.

The problem is that no one makes movies anymore...they all have to be "franchises." It's hard enough to maintain consistency in one movie, but to have 10 different movies written by 10 different people and directed by 10 different people and produced by 10 different people makes this impossible. Someone somewhere along the line is going to f*** up the whole thing.

I enjoy Jules pep talks at the end. It wouldn’t work with anyone else but with him they feel authentic and I legit feel a bit uplifted after.

Thank you for bringing up the death of Amanda in Saw! Such a wasted moment. Amanda would have made for a far more interesting and complex antagonist.

LOTR justified three movies, largely down to it being a novel which was in three distinct sections. The Hobbit, on the other hand, was a short story (by Tolkein’s standards) and I’d argue even two movies was stretching things a bit. The fact it takes longer to watch the movies than it does to read the book is pretty telling, as is the inclusion of characters who had nothing to do with the original story. That said, I did enjoy them, so maybe I should just shut up…

The death of Ripley in Alien 3 was a contractually mandated story beat directly requested by Sigourney Weaver as a condition of her involvement. So the suits had no choice with that one.

Aliens does have an alternative timeline where Newt and Hicks survive in the comic book universe - Newt grows up and is shown as an 18-year-old woman. It's a shame they went down the route of killing Newt especially as of course Ripley had already lost her biological daughter Amanda during cryosleep.

The Hobbit mistake was completely changing the nature of Hobbits with Bilbo and the ring. The book was clear that it was an accident that Bilbo found the ring and then forgot about it until he put his hand in his pocket when talking with Gollum. This is important to the entire undertone of the Lord of the Rings books: Hobbits were less tempted to the power of the ring so would have the ability to destroy the ring. The movie changes that and makes it seem like Bilbo stole the ring and used the "What's in my pocket" question on purpose. Complete silliness.

Guardians of the Galaxy introduced 5 new heroes in one movie. DC failure has nothing to do with the fact that they didn’t follow marvel formula of introducing characters in their own movie. It’s failure is because Bats vs Supes and JLA are just bad movies.

I had no problem with Michael and Laurie being related. Although in the first one, Tommy tells Laurie that if she goes to the Myers the boogeyman will get her. She climbs the steps and put the key in the mailbox unaware Michael is watching. To me that’s why he was after her.

What a great parting message. Loved it.

I’m one of the very few that Love Alien 3. I’m fine with Ripley dying at the end. And I get the other two deaths story wise ( main reason was actors wanting more money and being told no ). My issue is 4. It’s pretty much the Rise of Skywalker of Aliens. Useless rebooting of characters.

Great list. And wonderful outro. Thanks as always, Jules!

Even MCU made mistakes with Hulk, black widow and eternals

Terminator: The Multiverse Movie I, II, III, & IV should remain as the primary time-line we know since it follows the Connors from start to finish. (Sort of...) The reboot and the alternate time-line should be considered two different dimensions or universes with similar outcomes, future war with the machines. I have an idea to actually use all three movies series combined into one.

Actually I think besides Terminator One and Two, Salvation was the most logical sequel of them all and I think it is a shame it got so mutch shit. Of course they kind of botched the movie but showing the future from which Kyle Reese was sent seemed like a promising concept to me and actually I think Salvation is the third best Terminator movie to this day.

Jules, your sign offs always choke me up and make me teary eyed.

Thank you Jules. Your lists are great, and your real world discussion is even better. I appreciate it each and every time.

As always, Jules is th ebest part of any WhatCulture video. Cheers, mate!

Thanks so much as always for the outro. The list was great-I fully agree-but the outro just hit home. Thanks, as always, Jules.

So, I love Alien. I love Aliens. Didn’t like Alien 3. For me, James Cameron started the downfall of the the Alien franchise by turning it into a Terminator-like action film.

Awesome list. And your last statement was the cherry on top.

You know, maybe they shouldnt kill main characters just like that. That was a major mistake with star wars and the shameful death of han solo. If you make a character capable of surviving many times due to plot armor, then DONT KILL HIM/HER WHEN THEY GROW OLD! they are the embodyment of the idea that good triumphs in the end when you fight for it.

I love your message in the end re to err is human. I was touched to hear also forgive those who made mistakes against us. Love your work!

Jules, everytime you say Genisys, you bring joy to my life 🤣🤣 Thanks for that :)

There's an alternate universe where del Toro for to make his Hobbit movie(s), and man, I really wish we could live there.

The Star Wars one still boggles me. While they should be flexible there should be a story plan before you start a series, not letting each film undo and change things on the others

The main problem with the star wars 7,8 and 9 was the people who spend thousands of dollars on merchandise are the same people who bought the books and read the novel's that came after episode 6 if they had of read and used them to continue the stories it would have made a lot of people happy

Watching 2 videos back to back from WhatCulture with Jules narating, and me having a toygh day and feeling like shit, and Jules at the end of videos saying positive things about forgiving others and not beating yourself when making mistakes

I find it infuriating that The Last Jedi isn't seen as the death of the sequel trilogy it should be known as, and it is The Rise of Skywalker that is seen as the movie the sequel trilogy went wrong. No, The Last Jedi wasn't a bold new direction or creative in any way. It was just a creatively bankrupt attempt at Cinematic High Art using a subversion in the same way someone would use a sledgehammer to create a painting. The Last Jedi is like if someone wanted to make a good cake and ended up making a mud pie, and they thought that making a mud pie was good because it subverted people's expectations. If someone else comes along and tries to fix that mud pie by putting some whip cream on it and a cherry, you don't blame them for ruining the cake. The cake was ruined to begin with.

I’ve lost count how many times your messages at the end manage to pull me out of a dark mood. Thank you for being you. ❤️

Percy Jackson: Making a sequel. As a fan of the books, I was thrilled to see The Lightning Thief get an adaptation. Then when I watched it I was left scratching my head towards the end because they failed to establish Luke/Kronos aka the main antagonist for the entire series. Now Luke is in the movie but is killed off at the end but he was already possessed by Kronos in the books so you see where I am going with this.

Star Wars is Kennedy's fault? What about JJ Abrams? The guy who thought that a medicine that can bring people back to life in ST: Into Darkness was a great idea. Does that someone who knows how to plan out a plot?

Screwing up Star Wars has to be the most unforgivable. They couldn’t have done worse if they tried.

No, Rob Zombie's two Halloween iteration films aren't related to the original 1978 iteration. In Rob Zombie's Halloween remake films, Laurie Strode's name isn't really Laurie, her real name is Angel Meyers.

Hard to claim the Hobbit trilogy a mistake when they made over 3 billion😅

I think WhatCulture should sell shirts with Jules’ affirmations. Sometimes I will replay episodes just to hear Jules giving a nice pep talk at the end.

Love Whatculture when GY-NY-SIS is mentioned haha cracks me up all the time haha

I would add the god awful Universal's 2017's "The Mummy". A simple guide to "How NOT to start a movie franchise"

The Matrix Resurrections comes to mind. The complete movie - just nothing short of maddening. At least Dark Fate can boast that it tried but yeah, it was the final nail in the franchise coffin I think. I'm excited for the new Predictor series, tho.

Love your closing lines Jules

A lot of us that grew up on Halloween actually like the fact that she was related to Michael Myers although every sequel after part two except for the Standalone Season of the Witch, which I actually like by the way, was the downfall to a lot of us except for Jamie Stroud we actually loved her and we was pissed how Jamie Lee Curtis was killed off screen and also how little Jamie was never mentioned again after part 5 I think I'm with these last three they got a two out of three because that last one was not Halloween

I Agree With This, But Not The One Regarding Saw.

Honestly, I consider the real Alien trilogy to be Alien, Aliens, and Alien Isolation. Even though Isolation is a game, it's a better Alien experience than anything else that came after Aliens.

"The Lord of The Rings" was one book with three volumes. The three volumes are usually sold as separate books, but the original was one book, as it was written. You sound like the Tolkien Super Fans from Amazon...

11. Divergent splitting the 3rd in to 2 films and not enough interest for the 4th film to be created.

Nothing exists after Terminator 2 (The greatest action film ever made)

Genisys also made the mistake of not only turning John Conner evil by Skynet, but then not having Kyle and Sarah even ATTEMPT to save him.

I never get sick of hearing the word *Gy-ny-sys!* 🤣

Saw 3 was supposed to be the last Saw movie that's why they killed off Kramer and Amanda.

replacing rebecca romijn was the biggest mistake of X Men.

I did actually enjoy the snyder cut of justice league. Still do not understand why :) great list Jules. Very honest and relatable. Star wars is so divisive... adter all this time I still found myself getting angry about the last jedi all over again. Then remembered it is just a film and to just let go of that balloon.

Idk about that last one Michael's purpose is to kill his family to satisfy Thorne so laury being his sister makes total sense this is also why everyone loved Jamie myself included cuz she was a cute lil innocent version of Michael

I would take the Hobbit trilogy over 80% of 2010s blockbusters.. Without a doubt

Are you telling me that Laurie and Michael were never meant to be related? 🤯🤯🤯My entire life is a lie

Many people lost respect for Shane Black after Iron Man 3's Mandarin fake-out. I didn't mind that. I DID mind him taking a beloved movie - that he himself had starred in - and turning it into a bad stand-up routine with added aliens. Shane Black's Hawkins was the intentionally un-funny comic relief in Predator, half-swallowing his lewd jokes when he realises he's not getting a laugh. And then he gets killed off. Black seemed to think he was he best part of Predator and promptly gave everyone bad jokes to crack - only this time we're apparently supposed to laugh.

Bless you Jules, ya big ledge. You speak the truth. xxxxx

I know the topic is _movies,_ but some _TV series_ are on such epic scale that I think an honorable mention should go to the last season of Game of Thrones.

Some mistakes need rather to be forgotten, than forgiven. ''Terminator: Dark Fate''; ''Highlander 2: The Quickening'', ''Highlander: The Source''; making ''The Hobbit'' three movies, instead of one long one. The entirety of the last three ''Star Wars'' episodes, ''Star Trek: The Final Frontier and ''Star Trek: Nemesis''; the entire ''Kelvin'' timeline. Here's a message to Hollywood, if you can't do something original, then don't anything at all. If the sequel can't stand on its own, drop the idea of a sequel, but above all, remember this: ''Not every successful film needs a sequel, leave alone, deserves one!'' Bad sequels turn good films into shit.

I think its criminal that the coolest Batman scene was cut in the original version of Justice League. The surveillance footage from Luthorcorp break-in

I would add the 3 Star Trek films between 2009 and 2016. Rushed action oriented nonsense trying to recreate something that took years to establish originally. Talk about Glorified Fan Fiction... The main problem being they were mostly "Star Wars" fans with no idea what "Trek" was and is all about.

Jules....the ENTIRE reason I continue to come here!

I don't follow your logic behind the Saw franchise. Amanda had to die to set up the cat/mouse game between Jill/Hoffman in the later entries. Amanda had no character - her arc literally started and ended with she was the only one to survive a trap. Jill and Hoffman were both better characters than her.

I really didn’t expect how much the message at the end would effect me today

'the last jedi' was subversive in the sense that it sucked. Ow my expectations!

Prey was a fantastic movie with a great story for the Predator going back into colonial history. Fans and critics loved it!

Weaver wouldn't agree to Aliens^3 unless Ripley was unquestionably and unambiguously killed off.

This was a good list. I do not agree with the Bond franchise and Halloween. I did not mind that they connected the Bond movies, it seemed like a natural evolution with today's cinematic universes. I did not like how Daniel Craig's story ended. With Halloween, I saw it when I was 5 yrs old. Laurie throughout the franchise was Michael Myers' sister. So when it retconned that she was not his sister, I didn't like it.

Fast and furious street racing to family

Yup, spot on. Nothing more needs be said

Terminator should have ended with Salvation.

Killing the main character of Prometheus off screen biggest franchise mistake

I loved alien resurrection. Everyone can bite me

The Predator was such a disappointment

The Disney Star Wars sequels takes the cake for number one, imo. An IP loved world wide, that successfully survived for almost 40 years solely on books and animation and you don't plan shit and just push out that garbage? That's outrageous.

I never understand when people say the Last Jedi was the most daring movie since Empire. Guys, love them or hate them the prequels were daring. They were by no means trying to be crowd pleasers

How about splitting the final part of a trilogy into two films - just for greed - as in the Divergent series? And never finishing the second one.

Gotta love a bit of Jules' Joy in the morning :)

I thought Alien and Predator are in the same universe?

I agree with Terminator. I was a kid when it and a lot of the franchises got started and just wish they'd just stop already.

I actually made fan cuts of The Hobbit and Star Wars. Made them into mini series. ( all episodes range from 30-40 min each ) And shared online links to watch for friends and family. ( also did a fan cut mini series of Stephen Kings, IT to match the book ) The Hobbit is completely from Bilbos point of view ( so lots cut and moved around ) Star Wars runs from Rouge to Rise. Lots cut and moved around with Palps being removed fully from the end and Kylo becoming the main villain. And now I’m re working the Alien films ( first 3 with parts of Prometheus ) into a mini series that starts with 3 but jumps in time between them all ( ie you know Newts dead before you meet Newt, but don’t know how she died ). So far friends are loving it.

Anyone else skip through the whole list just to hear Jules legendary positive message at the end ?

There is one mistake you missed with Terminator, in the first one, when Kyle is talking to Dr. Silberman he said that after Kyle was sent back to the past, the resistance blew the whole place, he said no one else comes through, so how the hell did they get there in the second one?

Smaug still looks as terrifying now as the first time I seen him

As someone who grew up reading Dragonlance books....I actually loved how flushed out The Hobbit was....it was like actually reading a fantasy novel.

Wait... WHO liked Elisabeth Shaw from Prometheus and got pissed that she wasn't on Covenant?

Forgive yourself for making mistakes ... and hope that WhatcMojo doesn't make a top 10 list about them. Seriously though, that was beautiful.

Hobbit's mistake is what Hancock should have done

I completely understand what you mean by “prequel sequel”, but technically that sounds like a convoluted way of saying “the original movie”😆. Thanks for the video, Jules!

Man the Terminator sequels were godawful. Thanks for reminding dagnabit