If your going through no contact.... And it's just the beginning of "No Contact".... keep watching these videos, they really help remind you of why cutting them out is the absolute best solution.

You can date, be in a relationship or even marry a covert narcissist and won’t realize until you are too deep into it

1. They seem like they are helping you, but they keep score and then you are in their debt. 2. They express concern for you and offer to help you in difficulty, but really they are collecting data on you to use against you. 3. They tell you how they tried to help someone else and they are warn out being such a good person and garner sympathy for the narc. 4. They play the victim about how badly they have been treated by others. 5. They give you misinformation about other people making them look bad and making themselves look good. 6. They put a big spotlight on a small good deed to make themselves look like good people. 7. They express verbal support for you in your difficulties, but they don't follow through with deeds to help you. They just want the info about why you are in difficulty. 8. They talk about their ailments or misfortunes or the people how let them down so they get your sympathy. 9. You catch them in a lie to you and then they will make up another lie that they couldn't tell the truth is due to someone elses fault. 10. They tell you how they had a bad childhood or tragedy so they can get away with what ever they were caught doing.

Vulnerable narcissists offend, offer shallow, meaningless apologies and then re-offend.

Since I have no respect for liars, when it is revealed that a person lies pathologically,, I simply fade out of their group because it’s like keeping company with evil. No word of departure is needed: they know I’m bad news for them too. Let them wonder and worry about what I’m up to! Silence and no contact is the best revenge!!

Makes you feel like you cannot trust anyone anymore..sucks

If a narcissist's body reflected their actual interior they'd look like a block of ice (to represent their coldness, lack of empathy) with a molten lava core (representative of their rage).

I've had narcissists push things on me that I've specifically expressed that I do not want... Then they're "confused " why I'm not grateful and pull away And talk smack about me behind my back

I find the best protection for myself is to be completely honest. I don't tell lies. I hold my ground by owning my mistakes and vulnerabilities. I have boundaries that I apply to interactions with others and remove myself politely if I feel threatened or manipulated in any way. I don't repeat gossip. I am avoided by those that have tried to recruit me into their supply lines. I try to be as good an individual as I can be. Every now and then I meet another like myself and Boy oh Boy ... it feels like heaven and usually the conversation ends with a massive hug. Sadly this is a rare event these days.

Going "no contact" was the best decision I ever made in my life.

Covert narcissists can be very sneaky and one of the most manipulative people you can meet. Every time they buy you something it's A form of keeping you in their grip. They will play the victim card to their family and friends. A relationship with a covert narcissist is a living nightmare, I'm so happy that I got out of a relationship with a covert narcissist, her new.source of supply has no idea what he's in for. But better him than me.

This describes to a tee a former friend. When you put it this way, it's obvious why they were so exhausting to be around!

Actions speak louder than words with a Covert Narcissist. Love bombing and distraction are other ways they try and get out of situations. They can make your life so complicated that you don't know what day it is...

Narcissists can spot victims of previous narcissism. They’re like sex offenders. Such a bad feeling when you realize they were scheming against you the whole time. And then, you realize they were also turning everyone else against you. You weren't just causing a you/me problem; but you are now hated by everyone else. And, you can't tell anybody else about it; cause then you sound like a narcissist. I want credit for this but it's the "narcissistic paradox", When you are getting abused, you can't say anything; cause then you sound like the abuser. So sinister. THE NARCISSISCTIC PARADOX; haven't seen anybody else label it as such. I want credit for the label; not that I'm the first one; obviously not. But I want credit for the label "THE NARCISSISTIC PARADOX".

The best info I get from these videos is that what I’m guilty of doing myself. As painful as it is, fixing my own character flaws has changed me into a person that attracts friendships from good people. The second best lesson is, of course, knowing how to protect myself from other narcissistic people. Thanks!

It is interesting how they have a way of letting everyone know about all the wonderful things they've done

This is my mom. Went no contact earlier this year (now we are very low contact) - neck & shoulder pain & nightmares went away and I’m not constantly anxious & dissociating 🙏🏽✨

I used to attract these people like a magnet. Two of my longest friendships, 30 years plus, were with covert narcissists. It's easy to figure out who they are, just ask for empathy or a favor!

Narcissists will always try getting into your space by offering to help you with small problems or big.Don't let them in. they can't wait for a mutual friendhip to grow. they will expect a repayment many times over and will not accept a no from you.

“ Go find someone else you can dupe.” 😂👌🏾

Their help is helping themselves.

A therapist told me, “you don’t want to be known as a person whom throws people away.” Never went back, had been going to her for 7yrs.

Yes! It is even very useless to try and explain to them why you are setting up boundaries against them because they will keep twisting things and making excuses for everything. You just have to set up the boundary without much explanation.

once you can recognize and walk away from these people, the greatest curse becomes the biggest blessing.

Ufff the "you owe me" thing messed with my head so bad because it was always money related. He FORCFULLY paid for things even if I tried to he would still say no no no I'm getting it for us and I'd always just end up being very grateful but the second we would have an argument it would be "pay me back NOW or I'm calling the cops on you! All you want to do is use me!!" The venerable traits kept reeling me in but it would alway just be out of nowhere he would do something sweet for me then stonewall me an hr later and I'd be so confused and try to ask him what was wrong and I'd get an eye roll and he'd walk away. You literally can NEVER win no matter what.

They are looking for you to say "it's time for you to become a saint" 🤣 This is exactly it! Thx Dr C you and Dr Ramani both have helped me immensely.

Sadly, i completely understand this covert narcissist information, this is my mother to a T. Im 50 years old and still finding myself criticizing my own self with the tactics she used on me . If i only would have known about narcissist when i was growing up. Thank you for sharing your knowledge with all is . It truly helps 😊😊

Geez this resonates. He talked for an hour about something tragic from his past, but when I told MY story he wanted me to ‘wrap it up’.

The malignant narcissist I was with is evil. When I finally stood up to her, I called her a monster, and told her "it's over, you have to move out and find another place to live." She asked for two more months so she could find a place. I agreed. Then, after she moved out she hoovered me, texting me for 9 days with invitations to come over to her new place, asking me over for dinner, and to spend upcoming Christmas with her and her son, to go on a trip with her, to teach her son how to drive, etc.. I turned down every invitation. She told me she wanted to be friends. I told her fine, but that I didn't want to spend time with her. On the 10th day the police showed up at my employers business and handed me an Emergency - No Contact - Protection From Abuse order. I was in utter shock. I was so confused I didn't understand. I tried my best to listen to the cop explain it to me, but it just wasn't making any sense to me at all. I was in absolute, nearly incoherent shock. 9 days later I found myself standing in Court with this malignant narcissistic individual. When the judge asked her if she wanted to move forward with the NO Contact PFA, her very first words were, "Yes, your honor, he called me a monster." That's all in the public Court transcripts. She even said her friends told her to file for the No Contact PFA. That's illegal! But, she got away with it! I looked at the judge and, then to the floor, and shook my head. She began lying about things that never happened. How does anyone defend themselves against things that never happened? And so, I explained to the judge that she invited me for 9 days to her new lace and said she wanted to remain friends, and even invited me for Christmas, and she told me where she lives. The judge turned and looked at her as though he was disgusted, but I think it was theatrics. She said to the judge, "I can explain that." The judge held his hand up to make her shut up, then he hit the gavel on his desk-thing and awarded her the NC-PFA. It was for one year. I just couldn't believe it. It's been 5 years now and I'm still not over it. It was, and is, still surreal. Because of the No Contact PFA I couldn't get my phone back. It was in my name, my phone number, my monthly bill, my serial number, and I was still paying on the phone. She took my phone, telling the judge I gave it to her. No, I loaned it to her, and I even told her that when I loaned it to her. Then she started stalking me! I figured she was going to. I had to call the police after the 3rd time I saw her hiding 50 feet away. She drove off each time I saw her. The police went to her new place and told her she can't be near me either because she is violating her own No Contact PFA that she put on me. I contacted the Court and filed for protection from her and they denied me protection. She had already threatened me with a knife twice before I kicked her out. She was a looney, but she hid it very well until after we began living together. Our court system is messed up. I didn't have my other phone with me to prove she texted me. I wasn't allowed to bring it into the courtroom. I didn't have any money because she didn't help to pay any bills. I paid all the bills including her bills (auto insurance, credit cards, food, clothes, you name it... I paid for everything). I even spent $2,500 to get her car fixed, and I paid for her dental bill. She got me good! But she will never, ever get me like that again. Now I know who and what she is. I never knew anything about malignant narcissism until her. I was numb, confused, weakened, in shock, broken and even suicidal. She broke me in so many ways. She also smeared me in town, lying so much about me so she could be the damsel in distress, and people believed her! And then she used the No Contact PFA as "validation" that I was a villain. I will never date another woman again. I just can't do it. It's not in me anymore. I just don't want to. But I heard she is miserable now. She found another guy and she did the same thing to him. She did all of these things while having an affair with a married man behind my back. That's when I kicked her out. She didn't know that I knew. His wife called me to warn me. And so, that's that. I am still healing, and I have gone absolutely No Contact. And if she ever tries to contact me, or if she tries to talk to me, I am calling the police and reporting her for harassment. She's the one who filed a No Contact PFA against me for barely any reason except a heated argument and me calling her a monster. She'll never, ever fool me again. I'm as sharp as a whip now.

Once again, talking points that hit the nail on the head with the Narcissist I had to get out of my life. One thing victims need to be aware of the damage they were doing behind your back for years. It may take years to find out the narrative they created around your relationship with them. All of the narrative touches back on behaviors mentioned here. Thank you thank you!!!! #staying strong

the saddest thing is being with a person for any length of time and know they make no effort to understand who you are. They totally lack insight into who they are. My ex boyfriend, asked not one question about me or my background and does not understand the word reciprocity at all, the give and take of a relationship, doesn't exist.to him, he is in his world........i do not know if he is narcissist but I do know he is very very self absorbed, to not buy me a cheap friendhip ring after a year was all I asked for mean while I gave him many different things out of my caring.I feel like nothing more than a cheerleader for him...........

I remember when I was first dating my ex I told a friend, “Every guy I ever dated destroyed my self esteem but this one builds it up!” Yeah. At first! He destroyed it as time went on

it is those same people that sell you out when they think they can get higher up that way. They use people and pretend to be your friend. They don't even know what friendship is.

This is amazing!! Thank-you Les. I thought I was the only one seeing this behavior as anti-social. Society only sees violence as controlling anti-social behavior. We need to add narcisstic behaviors like triangulation, projection, gaslighting, alienation, invalidation, hypocrisy and entitlement to the lexicon of abuse. The lack of remorse, compassion or empathy for their victims makes them very dangerous and not likely to change.

Summary of possible covert ways for someone to try to gain your sympathy or loyalty: 1. Initially, they seem helpful towards you…(with a score keeping mindset…expects sympathy from you.) 2. Express concern, interest in your life…(they are collecting data about you to use later.) 3. Playing the tragic hero role…(tries to gather sympathy for all the attempts they tried to help others.) 4. Out right play the victim…(look at what happened to me…’they did me wrong’ story.) 5. Give misinformation about their protagonist…(possible projection onto other person.) 6. Put a BIG SPOTLIGHT on a their small good deed…(expects positive feedback for their actions.) 7. Express verbal support for other’s difficulties…( however their actions or promises to help don’t follow through.) 8. They talk about their ailments and misfortunes…( expecting sympathy.) 9. They may have been dishonest or secretive and then get caught…(rationalize their behavior by blaming others for their behavior.) 10. Appeal to the history of their many broken relationships…( use their past as an excuse.) As I review these bullet points, sales people use some of these tactics.🤨

No matter how they dress it up it's still a raw deal with these people. Dr. C please keep telling it like it is, yet nicely☺️

Yeah. They have to always be making some PSA about their “good deeds” or their “struggles” or their “heroism in all their struggles.” Lately I’ve been noticing how they always have a protest sign out or a beef with someone else. Always looking for some way to complain. Always being done wrong or always getting so offended. They are like the fringe rebellious. Cant bear to ever submit to anyone else or bend or have any flex. Some of them like to be a victim and a hero at the same time. Like I have all this against me yet I soldier on anyways. Like look at me what a valiant trooper I am. Plus they put on like they’re just so assertive (and want admiration for that and they want you to think you’re so “weak” for being easy to get on with and “nice”) when they’re just basically like a stubborn mule and they can’t really get on too easily with anyone and they just fuss and whine all the time Bcuz they can’t get their way. Like congrats. 👏👏 You just showed your ass. All they did was just prove what a whiny bratty baby they really are and how such a small deviation from what they want just gets them all bent out of shape. Just big fat forever discontent babies who freak out and act like they’re “suffering” so when nobody pampers and spoils or coos over them anymore. 🙄 They got everyone in town running after them like personal attendant servants seems like. 🙄

These mentioned 10 clever ways covert narcissists seek our loyalty show us their tendency to make us their flying monkeys and by proxy us manipulate and gaslight other people. Dr. Carter, thanks for this excellent video!

Dr. C, you just described a lot of people in my family. Everything they do is considered a transaction and will hold it over my head for years. If things don’t go their way they will use my past struggles to attack me. Coverts can do a lot of damage.

WOW! I knew my friend was narcissistic, but it's amazing hearing her entire playbook in this video! The "poor me" routine kept me stuck for far too long out of loyalty, concern, and sympathy. It's very validating to hear a compassionate person like Dr. Carter say it's okay to pull away!

Many thanks for your gifts to humanity over the years. Some are takers in life, some are givers like Dr. C & Laura.

Thank you so so much for making theses. I'm learning boundaries in my late 20s. I wanted to believe people and wanted to believe they would not hurt me... Even when they did.

I had a advantage over my ex girlfriend. I worked with at least one major narcissist for over 20 years. So I recognized the behavior in a short amount of time. I played her love bombing game and then gave her a narcissistic injury by dumping her before she could secure new supply. She tried to hoover me back to teach me a lesson and I tore her mask off her face and dumped her again..

Many, many thanks for all your help, Dr. Carter.

Thank you for this, I am about to go low contact with my codependent mother and she exhibits a lot of these behaviors I’ve been struggling to explain my whole life

Thank you sooooo much doc….I can see much more clearer now. I certainly won’t be duped any more. I feel betrayed, I feel like such a fool. All these years and I thought she was genuine…she even called me her “ bestie” ….I’m deeply hurt. Sad thing is because she acts like a saint people don’t see through her ACT. She has all these flying monkeys she has groomed....including my best friend i introduced her to. She now behaves like my bestfriend means more to her than i do...who does that?! Pure evil.

Something I've seen in narcissists is they never stop talking. They just talk and talk and talk. They never give you a second to have any time to think.

They set you up with their sad life story that you can’t oppose them in anyway or you will be guilty of the same crimes committed against them from their past, controlling you from the beginning.

Hahaha! I’ve played one of these games recently. “Sorry you missed the party but we made these party favors. Why don’t you come pick yours up?” Some people make daisy chains, covert narcissists make obligation chains.

Ways to gain your loyalty: 1) be helpful w score keeping mindset 2) express concern, interest when going thru a difficulty but are collecting data to use against you 3) play the tragic hero role - way to garner sympathy 4) play the victim card to you - someone did me wrong song 5) give misinfo abt antagonist - but really rejection going on by narc 6) put big spotlight on small good deed - overplay good deed 7) offer verbal support w/o real help 8) ailments/trials complaints used as excuses 9) dishonest and/or secretive and then busted - someone else fault 10) cash in on many broken relationships- appealing to sympathies - there’s always an angle w covert narc - smoke n mirrors - a ruse Very good vid!

Covert narcissism is terrifying. So much damage and drama, but I mistook where it was coming from because things were not as they appeared and I trusted my deceitful mother, without boundaries. She did all those things - intensely.

Confusion is the narcissistic goal. Tell you their own problems, gaining your loyalty, then attack you whenever you need validation. No win w narcissist people.

Believing individuals can actually think through and implement these behaviors, but I have seen it in at least two people. This analysis just takes my breath away- so “spot on.”

My ex covert narc always blamed everyone else and I believed him. Now, That he’s gone, I’ve learned nothing is the way he portrayed as it was. Gosh, I was an idiot!

The gift giving early on is a huge red flag, it's normally way over the top and leaves you feeling a little cringy. It's done to garner supply, get you off guard, get info on you etc as well as making them look kind and considerate. I suspected I had a covert narc in the office with me and refused to bite, one day I commented on another coworkers new hair, 2 days later the narc comes in with the same haircut, desperate for me to notice, which I did but said NOTHING! It absolutely kills them, they literally manifest in front of you lol Sick, ugly, ungodly creatures

Yeah, I think the guy I was dating was basically a covert narcissist. He played the victim role quite frequently and the true narrative came out the more I would let him just speak.... it was always the other person: female coworker that disliked him, a controlling mother (found out later that the 3 kids still speak to the mother and not the dad (he played the role that the dad was always the victim)) , two cheating ex-g/fs (both were dysfunctional relationships and found out later that he would go and live with them (moocher)), his first crush being hit by a truck (he didn't even know her- found that out the 5th time I heard the story and asked if he even attended the funeral)... The way he would describe other people too was quite negatively. The funny thing is that he kept trying to get sympathy from me but I was just listeninnng... A lot of things didn't really add up.

My dad is a covert narc and would tell me i owe him because he took care of me when i was a baby. he would tell me that i should tolerate his silent treatments because i would not remember a word for something when i was a baby, and he would have patient with me. Ridiculous. I ran away as fast as i could.

Offering a physical gift or helping you with something is the main thing ive noticed.

Thank you so much, Dr Les for your priceless knowledge! I am reading your brilliant book 'When Pleasing You is Killing Me', and it is already helping me to get major breakthroughs on my way of self-discovery and freedom from narcissistic abuse.

My parents encouraged my sister and I to have a good relationship. I didn't know why she used to act nice then have these blow-ups, then act like nothing happened. When she got married, I noticed her husband was treating me disrespectfully, I had not done anything wrong to him. I later realized she was saying horrible things about me to him behind my back-using my trauma to label me as "crazy". She also beat me up and then went on her porch and screamed help me, acting like I had done harm to her. My parents were not the best role models. My father is just like her-more overt, and my mother had always excused her behavior as , well, she's just stressed out. She had done other things to me that I excused in the past, odd public blow-ups that I found extreme but never understood what was going on. I actually thought she was strong for acting that way. Now I know better. She never apologized for what she did and I carry the bad feelings that maybe it was my fault or I should be the better person, but I know that it's probable better to have no relationship, then be continually disrespected and abused.

Thank you Dr C!! My sister is a covert narc who is always score keeping, uses my past against me.. constantly bringing up the past to try to keep me feeling guilty.. she's always the "tragic hero!" Such a great way to describe it! She uses a car as constant leverage to get my elderly mom and I to help her especially with the kids.. and a perpetual victim!

All true I wasted 10 years on a covert spiritual narcissist all true what this gentleman is saying

They never follow through on anything they promise you, but if someone ELSE needs something, they jump right on it to get all the praise of being the “helpful good guy” 🙄

Love your content Dr Carter!! Thanks for all that you do. Narc free 15 months. Never ever again, lesson learned the hard way.

Yes. I've been trying to warn my adult children, but their dad fell in the snare long ago in his work and domino effect. They don't listen to me.

I have a covert narcissist mom who’s married to a psychotherapist. It leaves me uneasy to think of how upsetting my mom with my growing pains pisses off her wife. I wanna move to another state and be away from everyone in my family.

Work the room. Wow, after becoming aware of their tactics by experiencing them first hand it’s actually fascinating to observe! It’s almost like you can tell how they look at people, zero in on them and then begin the spinning of their web! Just plain creepy!

They would want your loyalty when they give you an absolute NOTHING in turn.

My ex narc always wanted big kudos for anything he did, cut grass….he announced when came in house, i would say congratulations……..did i do this after vacuuming or cleaning a toilet…..ahh….no!

I actually had a long belly laugh when you said to offer them up for sainthood. I'm laughing so hard I can't even type this. It's so true!

omg he literally came into my life like a savior and i felt like my prayers had been answered. I've been discarded and I'm in a worse state than before. I'm like how do you brutally dump me in my most vulnerable state when you came in like you cared.

@8:06 If they do a small good deed once, they would blow it out of proportion and make it a huge deal that happens all the time

“Time for you to become a saint!” 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 that was priceless!

A mind awake and without fear and confusion 😕

Oh my word! These nailed it 100%! I've had an experience with a covert narc and these are sooo spot on.

Absolutely. It becomes a game and they play it so well you become stuck with what your next move shall be. And they keep you around playing it. Then you start to look like the Victim cause your life doesn't change and why cause you get into a situation where you are dependent on their help.

I scheduled a major surgery and my narc said. “I’ll have to check my schedule”

It is funny when you can see through a lie and then they change the story and contradict themselves, yet they smile in the end thinking "I won, I convinced them" -- well, not really, I can still see right through the lies, I'm just not telling you I do.

I hope everyone who has the really sneaky ones sees this. Spot on. You are a true professional who understands the mind of these freaks.

They take away your self confidence and make you feel worthless then when you quit playing their game they get revenge on you by lying to your family about things you've supposedly done or said until your family turns on you. No contact is the only way you can go to save yourself.

Yes, she reminds me time to time that I should be grateful. Even for things she had no role in. Every good deed, only for credit and showoff.

They want their spouse to play the role of the frustrating withdrawing parent so they can try to solve their trauma Their lack of judgment hinders them from knowing no one wants to play that role.

"IT'S TIME FOR YOU TO BECOME A SAINT!" 🤣

Family members are just as bad as a narc, sometimes. They feel like they can control every bit of your life and blame you for everything they do!! I know this first hand!!😢

I once had this business partner. He was more overt but he was always trying to bread crumb me to keep me working with him. But he had no intention of holding up his end of the bargain.

Thank you for just explaining everything my narc mom did with me. She pread numerous lies about me growing up which causeð others who were here for me to leave because they believed her lies. Which lies can roll off her tongue and have others believe her no problem. Sadly ive almost unrighteously been killed multiple times because of her

My ex got my loyalty from her stories she shared with me straight away. Her ex's were all abusive, and she'd been sexualy assaulted. I wanted so much to be the good man she deserved! She assaulted me physically and mentally and I think all the previous assaults and abuse in her past were just lies. Evil.

At night, my x would insist on having his arm under my neck to coddle me as we slept, I’ve had a neck injury so it wasn’t comfortable ...I tried telling him it was uncomfortable but he made it like he was protecting me, felt superior maybe....same when we went for walks, he had to always hold my hand, again, I couldn’t walk properly it threw me off. He made me feel trapped, silly but true. Speak up for u r selves! Do not be controlled or do things u feel uncomfortable with!. Don’t be pressured into anything or made to feel guilty for u r preferences.

Don't forget the phrase " I promise you I'm going to look after you this time" 🤣. Like hell they will. I can look after myself. 🍒

They should be seeking a way to thank us for keeping them out of jail , like the weather they need to understand things could change in a few minutes but then again it takes brains to realize that. Next.

I recently had a few of those hooks dangled in front of me and I almost bit but thanks to Wisdom like yours that I had watched earlier I didn’t! I swam away thank you God in Jesus name amen

Thank you for showing me how to deal with these people. I guess I consider myself one of the lucky ones I was able to get out of a two month relationship with a delusional narcissist.

Excellent and so helpful. “Collecting data” 🙄 As a kind and empathetic person I’ve gotten snagged several times but I get it now at 61 😂 Thank you so much for your help!

I think the tragic hero role can also sound like the empathetic person who feels the need to rescue the fragile narcissist...but the empath will always show compassion and grace to the narcissist. And just talk about the pain in the narcissist's life to people who could help. The empathetic person doesn't place the emphasis on how amazing they have been, but instead will wonder how to reach the narcissist in a way that doesn't hurt them or bring offence. (This before the empath realises what's going on. )

Thank you so much for helping me to heal ❤ . If you are a dad how lucky your children are! 🙏😇😇😇🙏🕊

My Malignant Covert Narc sister barreling ahead and apartment hunting for me, without my request, permission, or dialogue occurring between us about what I was looking for in my new apartment. Chooses one to show me, thoroughly convinced that because of the time and energy she chose to invest in finding it, I would automatically accept it. She became very offended and upset with me for not automatically accepting that apartment based upon the reason I gave for not liking it. The retired-from-law-enforcement father of a Vulnerable Narcissist wife of my Altruistic Narc ex “best” friend. He hosted cookouts that his family would invite friends to and I remember during these events he would host a story time session to this who were willing to listen about an unsolved murder case of a boy on his bike 25 years earlier. Even though, a few years before, his Vulnerable Narc daughter had told me he worked in the Narcotics squad, he used the word “we” when he told the part about the search party trying to find the culprit and how they (we) never found him. He did not elaborate whether his squad was called in to help with the search or if he was using the word “we” in the collective identity sense of a brothers-in-blue brotherhood. When he was telling the story, I noticed that same daughter of his, as she was walking near the group to eventually walk past it, her facial expression shifted from slight smile introvert face to her upper body language turning inward towards her center, shoulders pulled in, head bowed and a sour expression on her face upon her getting close enough to hear her father talking. I think her father was telling a “tragic hero” narrative that was structured to make him sound more involved in the case than he actually was and her daughter could tell, like not only was an unsolved murder case she was more factually aware than what her father was telling, but this was a behavior of his she had witnessed before.

I still can't believe I was being played since day 1 .... My ex - A Covert Narc. Unfortunately I can't go complete "No Contact" but "Grey Rocking" him after our breakup. It is working well but some days are difficult.... Very very difficult. My hugs & support to all Narc survivors.

Thank you, Doctor. You are so awesome, helping so many people! Thank you for your big heart and all you do to help the humanity!💖

Being raised by a covert narcissist and an enabler and having legitimate medical issues means im constantly gaslighting myself

The coverts are the Wiliest of coyotes.