"$8 million per episode" To think that Deep Space Nine cost roughly $1.6 million per episode and was so much superior in quality.

In my mind Star Trek on T.V. ended with Enterprise's finale in 2005...

When they made an Ensign the second in command - and kept her as an Ensign. That was the jump the shark moment for me... NO credible command org would do that!

I would love to see a star trek show that respects the trek universe as it should be

The "massive fanbase" is watching the Orville now

Personally I'm *still* waiting for Star Trek to return to Television.

I feel sorry for the chick who guides the ship with the metal implants over her eyes. I don't think they have given her more than a few lines throughout the whole show. Every time it looks like they might Tilly starts crying again and it all becomes about how unstable she is.

OMG, I love how you describe it as a "singularity of suck". It's a perfect description!

It's not a Star Trek spinoff. It's a show that licensed the name.

Hey now Discovery takes home the gold for being the worst Star Trek series ever created. It also won the award for having some of the crappiest writing for a television show we've ever seen. It managed to pick up a participation trophy for somehow managing to end up on TV to begin with. So Discovery is definitely the BEST at being the WORST thing created so far this century. Slow clap.

As much as people like to dump on Rick Berman, at least when he ran the franchise there were people who actually LIKED Star Trek.

My reaction to #3 Optimism "Whaaaat the fuuuuuuuuuuuck?" total confusion. I don't remember a single optimistic moment in all of seasons 1 and 2.

Are we missing captain archer yet? 🤭🤣

They should rename the show Star Trek Burnham. It makes the complaints in TNG of "Wesley saving the Enterprise again" look quaint.

I watched my first trek at my aunt's house while my mom was working, VOY on UPN. I was 9 or so at the time. Now that I have kids myself, I wouldn't let them near STD.

Unreal. Star Trek is dead.

Michael Burnham's acting repertoire: screaming, crying with a trembling voice and whispering....that's 3, thus she is a 3 dimensional character.

You know...this is a good article if you read it in the sarcasm tone Gary.

The article mentions a couple times that lots of Star Trek fans like to criticize whatever happens. I will point out something that various members of the TNG cast have said at conventions: They talk about, how in the show's first season, they got lots of criticism and skepticism from fans and didn't have a lot of attendees at conventions. They then describe how that changed in the third season, with convention attendance increasing enormously and fans being very happy. What happened in the third season? The show got really good! I think CBS needs to remember that little detail going forward.

I looked up "last star trek tv series" and google said it was TNG. Personally, I like Voyager, but hell, TNG hella lot better than this flaming shit. And it appears as if Google agrees.

This article is actually from the mirror universe where STD is considered good.

CBS Paramount has killed Star Trek. That's why I watch the Orville. Where the spirit of Gene Roddenberry lives.

The acting is great if you’re living in a different reality

My favorite is the sentence in number six: “The show at its best shows how difficult it can be to follow a certain path when there are difficult choices that you have to make.“ LOL. In other words, the SHOW SHOWS that DIFFICULT choices are DIFFICULT. This is the sentence structure of a third grader. :-)

No doubt it has “great special effects” too bad they forgot to hire any decent writers.

I've tried to stick with it just because it was Star Trek. Most episodes included my wife telling me to stop shouting at the TV. I give up, I'm not watching anymore. Well, not until I start identifying as a fifteen year old girl!

TOS got a fan letter writing campaign to bring it back for a third season. STD is getting a fan online campaign to have it cancelled

Good writing is timeless, good effects and social commentary only lasts a few years

This was written by a hack who just typed word for word a press release, and has never watched this horrible show, let alone all of Star Trek.

That the way to tell them. I have been a fan since the very first show and I am 70 now.

When you consider what TOS, TNG, and DS9 did on the shoestring budgets they had, having a huge budget is more like a curse than a blessing.

I will never forgive them for what they did to Spock

Identity Politics In Space

So true, I hadn't realized that NOBODY talks about Disco on social media. It's fun that there are more memes about TNG, a show that premiered 30 years ago than from this trainwreck. (*Piccardfacepalm.jpg)

I watched the entire season 1 and the character Michael Burnham simply came off as a straight villain with hilariously arrogant righteous indignation. It was awful.

"Ok, you're gonna re-write the review, but say the complete opposite of what you just told me."

How does any ST-D plot beat the Dominion War story on DS-9 or the Xindi arc on ST-E or The Best of Both Worlds on ST-TNG or the ST-V Equinox two-parter?

The Orville is Star Trek... It feels way more faithful to the original then any of this new garbage

"As a prequel to the original series, Discovery offers a look at the beginning of Star Trek while also paving the way for the future of the beloved series." Yeah, we already had that, it was called Enterprise and and it was pretty good. Leagues ahead of Discovery with better writing and characters with a smaller budget.

I'm watching star trek discovery right now and it's bloody garbage . The other older series are not too removed from reality, there is amazing casting, story telling, acting and it's done in a convincing way. You can tell Alot of effort and creativity went into the older series.

The article was posted on April 1st, right? I mean, no one really thinks it's the best spin-off (at least, from any Star Trek fan I've heard). The only people that really like it don't like the other Trek series. And can we go 1 episode without Burnham interrupting superior officers or always solving the problem (or if someone else solves it, they tee it up for her and she gets to say what the answer is)? She's a second officer and she openly argues with the captain.

Extremely likeable?! I can’t stand most of this cast, Iv recently Re watched all 7 season of deep space nine has one of the best casts and doesn’t shove anything in your face and everyone gets time to shine in different episodes, all characters are likeable in that

The budget must include some heavy drugs...

I would like to mention when the Klingon monks living in a medieval European church, on an alien planet gave a """time crystal""" to the first guy who shows up and accepts his future. Mind not he is a human.

What???? Star Trek Michael Burnham: features leftist feminist agendas featuring mostly boring characters, poor character development, annoying characters (looking at you Tilly) and A/B plots that ALWAYS involve Michael Burnham.

This show is NOT on TV. It's on the net. Small Screen rules do not apply. If only there were Star Trek fan productions that could have been tapped to assemble a production team that knew how to write and knew how to respect a budget...

I had really hoped that the new season would follow Captain Pike instead of the ragtag crew of Discovery jumping into the future. Bad story lines, stilted acting, characters that are hard to like, a losing combination if you ask me.

Discovery has the big budget, the names, the copyright and the evil network approval. The Orville has Star Trek's heart, soul and would have Gene's blessing if he were around today.

I am impressed about how clueless some can be about a show.

“ ...a performance equal to, when your mom dresses up like a madam for Halloween and tries to act sexy in front of the kids.” LOL,!!

>Starwars: Man my Prequels were garbage lol >Star Trek: Hold my beer, Qapla'!

These new Not-Star Trek shows make me physically sick. It's very disappointing that people are actually willing to watch this stuff and defend it. Especially the ones that pretend it's Star Trek despite ruining the lore, ignoring Gene's vision for the franchise, and having no quality for the meaningful messages they try to tell. It fails to have an optimistic look towards the future while the characters are so inconsistently decent, acting like the bratty untrained civilians of today.

Quote of the day "Singularity of SUCK". Keep up the good work Mr Nerdrotic!!!

You're right, when he says "I could tell you about it, but I don't want to spoil anything", it's like the article writer is selling a show he's never seen, to a group of people he knows will never watch it. It's surreal. Maybe for CBS, it really doesn't matter whether or not there is an audience.

I gave up on STD (interesting initials) at the beginning of season #3 ~ Star Trek meets Lost in Space ~ Danger Will Robinson Danger. PFFT! Before that it was Star Trek meets Skynet Before that it was "how can we mutiny against everything Star Trek stands for? and recreate the Klingons ... again!

Great music, great cinematography, great effects. Shat writing.

Since I refuse to watch this after the first episode, it seems that this is the complete opposite of every other Star Trek show. Coincidentally everything this article tries to apply to Discovery, could realistically be applied to The Orville.

OMG! Every time one of these articles pops up, I am sadly reminded that these writers have clearly NEVER seen so Star Trek a day in their loves.

I thought Deep Space Nine was considered to be the best star trek spin off ever made did I miss something.

I was so wishing that season two (where I dropped out) was going to end with Kirk waking up and saying "what a nightmare"

This misconception lately that "twists" mean a show is great and it's writing is great is infuriating. Just having twists and keeping the viewer surprised is not always good or justified. A twist for twist sake is very different that good writing building up to a meaningful twist and meaningful payoff that MAKES SENSE for the characters, the world, and the plot. Both average viewers of the and movies as well as so called critics fall prey to this weak misconception about bad writing. And as someone with English literature and creative writing degrees, and an avid reader and fan of books and tv/movies since I could walk...it makes me so angry.

I tried, I really did. I have been watching Star Trek since before TNG aired but halfway through the Red Angel episode I had just had enough. Discovery is a cover version for an audience that doesn't really like Trek while taking original fans for granted (a familiar story nowadays). The Orville is Trek now. Hell, the actors themselves are even doing cameos on The Orville!

Soon to be outdone by "Picard"

This whole article just screams, "SHILL!" By the way, I still can't watch a single episode of Discovery from start to finish. And don't even get me started on Discovery bleeding into STO (Star Trek Online).

"We need the fans but we don't need fans points of view."

Just saying, my biggest complaint about Star Trek Discovery, as opposed to other Star Treks, is a lack of humour. Star Trek is at its best, in my opinion, when while making potent points, it simultaneously provides some comic relief. This is entertainment. Unfortunately, I hardly laughed during this show. :( I guess a very small complaint to many, but for me, a game-changer.

I miss Enterprise

"great acting" ah yes , who could forget lines such as "Sear F'n hurberous" like golden meme material XD

Ironically, I feel like watching Star Trek when I watch Orville.

Fans stick with franchises for decades. Producers yeah let’s ditch those fans for casual fans that’ll like us for a month or two. Investors that’s brilliant here’s some money. 🤦‍♂️

You sure this wasn't a Orville review that they just changed the word "Orville" to "Discovery?"

Should have been called Star Trek : Baskets, cause these are the most broken Star Fleet characters ever.

It's so damn good we could not put it on broadcast TV roflol.

Gary, you couldn't have said it better. I haven't enjoyed any episode in its entirety and that sucks, because I used to really love Star Trek!

I don't even consider Discovery canon. It is almost like all the writers grew up watching Babylon 5 and Battlestar Galactica and only had a vauge understanding of what Star Trek was.

You can't deny how masterful was the plan to trap the "Red Angel". First create an elaborate setup that only works in one spot. Then tell the time traveller every minute detail about the plan (so his future self is fully aware of said trap) then kill the time traveller, (at which point her future self should disappear ) in hope that she will return in time to save herself to exactly the time of death (and not say 1 day earlier, when the device is not ready) Flawless plan!

The writing, the characters, the stories and the direction is utterly woeful. It’s little more than a self-indulgent shrine to the tragically clueless soy goblins that produce it, and has no business being a part of the Star Trek universe. An absolute disaster.

Talk about The Expanse. Part because The Expanse is how sifi should be done. Part because you need to make the point that you don't hate everything.

Dude, Nerdrotic, breakin it down, on point, and dsc aptly labeled a “singularly of suck.” All you needed was a mic drop at the end of your rant. Thanks for speaking for me and I’m sure countless other Trek fans.

Snow Flake: Discovery

"Discovery doesn't forget where it came from": Is Michelle Yeoh's character a rip-off of Flash Gordon villain "Ming the Merciless"?

Which timeline does Alan Carson come from?

I was hyped that there was to be a new ST - but when I got a glimpse of the "Klingons", I knew it was going to be rubbish. And the critical drinker's review pretty much sums it up - at least my understanding from a few scenes I watched online. Won't ever watch the show. I will pretend it doesn't exist.

'It takes risks' is yet another vacuous platitude. Taking risks isn't inherently a good thing. If your risks make no sense or result in negative consequences it is not a good thing. The same is true for 'twists', twists for the sake of twists aren't admirable or good.

I don't know if you actually read the replies, but it seems every time I listen to one of your reviews it is spot on! Disappointment is an understatement when describing STD IMO. One thing I have noticed as this travesty of a show continues is there is no chemistry or caring about the characters. If they flushed Burnham out of an airlock I would see it as an improvement to the show. I was more saddened by a generic crewman on The Orville being cast out of an airlock over anyone on STD. This show is so bad I find myself dozing off during the show and then rewinding some of it to see if I missed anything other than lens flares. So why do I still watch it I am asked? The answer is I am hoping it will come to a point of explaining this garbage for a show and tie into Star Trek. They tried with the Pike /Cage opening but that really was just lame. So far CBS has not earned their pay showing this crap but I am hopeful one day Star Trek will come back, (to quote the original Doctor (Who) "yes I shall come back. Until then, there must be no regrets, no tears, no anxieties. Just go forward in all your beliefs and prove to me that I am not mistaken in mine.” I look forward to when (or if) Star Trek comes back.

"They should be grateful that some of us still care enough about Star Trek to criticize it, to try to make it better. Listen CBS, the people you are coming after are they people you depend on. We subscribe to your streaming services, we buy your DVDs and Blurays and action figures, we fill you convention halls. DO NOT FUCK WITH US." Jesus, Gary. That was one of the most succinct summaries of the STD/CBS situation I´ve heard. Bravo, Sir.

STD: I'm the worstest Evar Trek Spinoff! STLD: Hold My Romulan Ale.

I think the Orville takes all the good things from star trek and sprinkles in today's cultural changes to add flavor. It's not in your face but instead gives the show a unique flavor that keeps you coming back for another bite

After eating Captain Philippa Georgiou, the Kiingons discovered they were hungry again after just 2hrs.

The article looks like it was written by a 6th grader.

Sure hope that writer can find his way back to this reality.

It’s a pity what they did with Star Trek discover. I will never consider Star Trek Discovery as part of Star Trek universe. Never. As you said, it’s a hopeless universe filled with unlikeable characters and a character - Michael Burnham- who seems to be the philosophical stone of everything. The violence, torture and sexual levels of this show are not typical from Star Trek universe, and if you need to add all these things to your script, in a show like this, probably the reason is that you don’t have a good story. Star Trek fans don’t need a visual spectacle, great CGI or FX or big levels of violence and sex. We only want a good story with beloved characters and hope in the universe. Is it so difficult to write?

Just hearing about STD I feel like I got an STD! Geez!

Time Travel in this day and age is lazy writing when they run out of ideas...

The writers and actors don't understand what makes a story a "Startrek" story. You don't continually ignore commands, you don't go off on your own to do what you want, you don't berate all the crew around you, you don't become a lovable character or one that fans will miss if killed, you become one they want killed off. Rootin for the Klingons (or whatever they've become, under that new exterior).

Thank you sir! You said exactly what all of us fans wanted to say. Keep up the good work!

What is Screen Rant smoking Gary? I'd love to knock some common sense into their heads.

Acting isn't important to Star Trek?

Past trek shows, while the captain was always the main character, the solutions to the plot's problem were always in a different person. It felt like everyone contributed equally. Discovery it's all about Michael, she finds out what the problem is, which nobody was aware of, she finds the solution, she executes the solution, usually "sacrificing" herself in some way only to find a solution to that sacrifice too (against orders of course because she's such a rebel).

My problem with STD is that it has no structure. What is it all about? Its a big confusing soap opera without any adventure elements. Battles, esoteric mumbo jumbo, pointless videogame camera work, a thousand things stuffed in meaningless sequences, characters that all need a therapy …