I think that belief is common.

The best sequel to terminator 2 is the Sarah Connor TV show

@@rorylynch7775 however the TV show actually worked well with T3

I quite like Salvation 🤷🏻‍♂️ … mostly …

Unless you count The Mitchells vs the Machines as the true third Terminator film.

Was totally expecting Alien3 to be on this list.

Hopefully that will be on "10 More Sequels That Totally Ruined The Previous Movie's Ending." There's certainly a lot of them, and WhatCulture loves a good sequel list themselves. 😁

Came here for this comment

Aliens 3 was the first movie I thought of when I saw the title. It effectively trashed Ripley's character arc through prior movie and callously discarded two very good characters in the process. I know some people like Aliens 3 but those offscreen character deletions made it unwatchable for me and I prefer to believe that the franchise consists of just Alien and Aliens.

Let's not forget it totally doesn't even make sense at all because it was never showed or explained how an egg was on the ship

I think you mean "somehow Palpatine returned"

The whole clone Palpatine idea existed way back in the early 90's in the Legacy (Expanded) universe. It wasn't an original idea.

And remember the rule: "If you don't see the dead body, they are not dead"

@@JMcMillenand let's be honest- Dark Horse had WAAAAAYYYY more respect for the property/ Lucasfilm and handled it far better- rather than just 'kinda stealing the visuals' and making the story nearly incoherent like JarJar Abrams and the others in the sequels.

​@@danielmiller3596 No they didn't. You just wanted to shit on the sequels and never intended to like them.

Agreed. Should have been swapped-out with Alien3 or The Farce Awakens.

Especially since the movie itself wasn't taking anything seriously. "We knew all along, sadly" got a laugh out of me.

It was logical and great.

Nah, awesome movie mate

I agree with the poster. To those who disagree, I get that the performers who played Newt and Hicks weren't available, but their deaths made the prior movie pointless. They should have give with the Dark Horse comic as a sequel.

As Lance Henriksen (Bishop) said, the third movie totally destroyed what the first two set up.

@@davidosborne4064 They could even have made a sequel well enough without them. Keep them in their hibernation pods the whole movie while Ripley is trying to keep those pods safe, or is trying to recover them from the crashed shuttle, and the movie ends when they are hauled out and she gets told that the occupants seem to be fine. Or simply make the sequel happen enough years later that Newt is now an adult, and make her the main character. Or keep Ripley as the main character, if they absolutely wanted her and the actress would only agree to the role if she got killed in the end, make her look older with make-up, and have her do something like look at a photo of the adult Newt with older Hicks from time to time while giving some vague story of how happy she is that they are safe somewhere else while she got into this mess again. Or how Hicks died of natural causes after they spend years living as a family, and Newt is now married and somewhere safe. Or something. There was no real need to negate the ending of Aliens by killing those characters off pretty much right away after that movie.

Bond was out of shape and honestly, done. He would've left sooner had Vesper not been exposed as a double agent basically sending him on the revenge fueled rampage we saw him on in Quantum of Solace. When he got shot off that train and somehow miraculously lived, that was his 'retirement' which I think he enjoyed until the explosion forced him back into action cause he felt needed again. This is why at the end of SPECTRE, he really was done.

The thematic idea at the end of Skyfall is he was supposed to feel rejuvenated with a renewed sense of purpose. An early shot shows him next to a painting of a barley-seaworthy shipwreck. Nearer the end, he's next to a painting of a vessel that's been fully restored.

Why try and come up with anything original when it's easier to slightly shuffle the screenplay of other movies? Or better yet, don't bother with any screenplay at all and just throw some familiar images on the screen and call it a movie!

@@fractalfae5418 That is how Hollywood has always operated, from day one. It ain't good, but it's nothing new. It's literally how it has always been.

Honestly, Hollywood has been out of ideas from decades, maybe always. There is a long lists of books, historicals figures and more butchered in the name of the spectacle.

Rambo First Blood Part II went all out action movie

Very true. If this narrator had seen either movie throughout it seems obvious to me it was recent and had no context. Like all teenagers now going back on websites making money analyzing old films.

@aaronslater470 Assuming you know all this but others may not. I'm old enough to remember Johnson's "bomb an outhouse" comment, Khe Sanh & McNamara's Morons. It leaves a foul taste in my mouth. A better movie to watch might be Uncommon Valor. Not exactly 'payback' but Charlie Wilson's War is at least based on truth.

Does it? John Connor is important because he leads the resistance against Skynet. If Skynet is prevented from ever existing, why is John Important?

@@dallstownfairs9838 Did you watch any of the films?

T3 yeah was bad, Dark Fate was much worse, but technically without Skynet you wouldn't have had Connor, as Connor is a paradox, created by an iteration of Skynet... and in another timeline, was created to oppose Skynet.... but without Connor, Skynet is not kept in check and becomes something completely different and far worse...

​@dallstownfairs9838 the paradox that comes from John being killed which was established in the first Terminator movie. Skynet tried to stop John from being born but created the situation that led to him being born

@@dallstownfairs9838 the Skynet that created the paradox that allowed Connor to be born, was preventing its own annihilation, by killing off Connor, Skynet ceased to exist in the sense that it is Skynet, it became Legion in the new timeline.... Connor is the grounding wire that keeps the Skynet timeline focused on being itself... without him, Legion was allowed to rise uncontested pretty much, he warned humanity with his mother, and while humanity never listened they were aware and once the bombs fell... they started taking notice of him and therefore him having fore knowledge of Skynet and what it would do, it had to send Terminators back to prevent him from messing with those plans, Sarah Connor Chronicles addresses an alternate or more original Skynet resistance, which sent Cameron back... these were acts to change history again and prevent the outcome... so while Connor was the primary target in all but T3, Skynet's plans were interfered with... and the paradox continued. which oddly enough every timeline exists, but the people who get sent back and change the timeline, creates a new one which is either favourable to humanity or Skynet.... the issue arises when it's too favourable to Skynet and Skynet ceases to be Skynet.. hence why Connor was important

I was hoping someone would bring up the weirdness of Highlander 2. If I remember right, there are at least 3 and maybe 4 versions of this mess. At some point, they realized how bad they had shat the bed, so they re-edited it to attempt some form of continuity...in fact, I am pretty sure that the alien stuff was cut from the home release VHS versions for years, and actually I think the alien version was released domestically in the States, and the other version was in theaters overseas. More recently, the producers have attempted to say that 2 is not canon, but rather a "what if" or separate time line...and the box sets contain two versions of, well, 2, just to be all inclusive or something.

Still, despite the mess of the rest, Ramirez coming back in the middle of a Hamlet production was gold and I still want to pipe the airplane safety video to everone's screen on every flight I take.

@@HariSeldon913And there's never a bad time to have Michael Ironside chewing the scenery as a villain either.

@@matthewryan9323 Not to mention John C McGinley (as a villain. I don't think Ironside chewed him.).

True. Those movies should all be burned to ashes and forgotten

The fans should have never asked for them back. Then they could have their happy endings and focus be put on new characters (Rey, Finn, Poe) a d create a new story. But fans don't want new characters that they are unfamiliar with. They wanted Han, Luke and Leia. It was catering to fan service which was Disney's mistake. They should have just done a complete reboot, but whiny gatekeeping SW fans would have hated that even more. Fact is, the SW fanbase were never going to like the sequels, no matter what, because they love complaining.

@@dhenderson1810 Right, the good old "if the customer doesn't like what the company is selling and stops buying then the customer is stupid, not the company" argument. May apply for some things, but not really for entertainment. It's not entertainment when the customer is not entertained. Entertainment is something we choose to buy instead of something else because we want to have some fun and relax, maybe forget the real world for a moment. It's never something we HAVE to buy, so sure as hell I have the right to complain if I don't get what I either wanted or expected to get after using good money for it. And stop buying after that experience, which is what I did. I know the plots of the two other movies after TFA only because I read them from Wikipedia, and decided I am not interested in seeing them. And I could not get much interested in that first movie either, so had no enthusiasm to see what came after. It was effing boring. Not just bad Star Wars, simply mostly a bad movie. Looks like a lot of other people had the same reaction. It seems to be officially admitted now that Disney still hasn't been able to even cover what they paid for the franchise, much less profit from it. Fortunately for me there is now lot of the types of stories I want for my entertainment are at least again published as books. Thank heavens for indie, as most of the established old publishers now also mostly do not sell anything I actually want to read. With the advancing computer programs for making movies and serials, with good special effects that no longer will need a fortune to achieve, maybe those will get their indie revival at some point too, although that is still probably at least a few years into the future before it can really start to take off. With indie books you need to do more digging and experimenting than with the old system because a lot more gets out, and more of it is crap since the first filter, an established publisher's experienced editors is lacking (current editors in the old publishing houses do seem to be more interested, the same way as seems to have happened with movie studios, in other things that what their potential customers actually want, aka selling, or they are simply almost completely out of touch with those customer bases), but word of mouth works, some of the cream does get on top and what becomes popular is easier to find.

Machine gun jubblies, how did I miss that? It's called foreplay Austin ...is probably the best joke of the series.

How does it parody Bond, when that scene has no elements from Bond? Fembots are from The Six Million Dollar Man anyhows.

Weird not to check easy grammatical errors, also.

It was a Clone. The "Dark Horse" comics had this in the 90s. So, hardly an original idea,

​@@dhenderson1810 And it was a stupid idea back then as it is now.

or a "scarier-sauras" Bloody tourists!

they sorta did at the end of part 2. remember there was present Austin and future Austin. she chose to be with one of them, leaving the other single

Lam BERT 😂

The tv show actually retconned 2 by saying exactly that. That he and Kurgan weren’t the last 2, they just thought they were, and the quickening was really big because kurgan was one of the oldest immortals, (well over 1,000 years old) and was the strongest one as well.

It absolutely IS!!!!!

Yes!!! And anyone who has seen a "making of" type of video will see the hell the production went thru and how much the studio heads didn't care. Sad, if they had taken their time and did it right, it could have been epic.

If you haven't, go find Highlander 2: Renegade Edition for what the director Wanted to have

​@@gregorymeyer1798If the studio didn't care, why make a sequel then?

@@dhenderson1810 Money money money 💰 They wanted the box office, but made the movie super cheap, super quick, and didn't care about the story, characters, or artistry so they could (hopefully) make a quick profit rather than put in the time and money to make it right... Even though doing it that way would likely have made more money in the long run.

It's Older Than TV - Arthur Conan Doyle has Dr. Watson get married early on, then in an (admittedly much later) story - I think when he 'resurrected' Holmes after the Reichenbach Falls, he just sort of peremptorily notes that Watson's wife had passed away and so he's moved back in with Holmes again.

Good case study, as it were,@@matthewryan9323 . The Holmes canon is a complicated chronology, though. Some latter stories are still set before he met the wife, some required a narrative excuse for Watson to be free to join Holmes. Novel 1: Holmes & Watson set up shop at Baker Street. Novel 2: ends with Watson engaged to Mary Morstan. (So not that late reckoning by publication date.) Two stories are Holmes telling Watson about notable cases from before they met, one of which being his first. At least one is set between novels 1 and 2. Some have Watson judging that he's got no crucial responsibilities, then checking with his wife before accepting Holmes's invitation to go on a case. And there are some indications that Watson the widower gets remarried later! 😲 Lastly, some stories obfuscate to the max just when they're supposedly taking place. So, in the ones where Watson joins in when married life allows, there may be room for doubt about which wife he's on.

Nope only 6 by the time Skyfall came out

But didn't they say that his body was cremated and was witnessed?

And they even showed a clip of Tommy hacking at him. It's like they never even watched the movies.

It is bad storytelling when you need to go outside the movie to find plot points. It is the movie's job to explain those points.

Yeh i remember posting something along the lines of “perfect way to end the franchise…” after watching it

😂😂

Bam bam tis 🥁

There can be only one…..again…….and again……..and again……and again…….

As he said, they tossed out every bit of the lore and started over. They went from *"Here we are, born to be kings, we're the princes of the universe!"* to prisoners, exiled to Earth to fight it out for... I forget what. The 3rd one got back on track, as did the series.

SW fans wanted Han, Luke and Leia. They could have been left out of the films and kept their happy ending, and focus on Rey, Finn and Poe, but the Karen fans insisted on the established characters coming back. So if you bring them back, then their story may not continue to be happy. Harrison only agreed to do "Force Awakens" if he was killed off in the most dramatic way possible. He hated the character and wanted it dead. Again, the fans wanted Han in it. Also, Carrie Fisher died during the third one so they had to kill her off in the movie as well. That was unexpected and they can't be blamed for it (maybe if Fisher had stayed off alcohol and drugs...). This is a good example of why studios shouldn't listen to fans or pander to them. Because they don't have a frigging clue. 16:32

​@@dhenderson1810 That is the most idiotic take on anything since the 1st flat-earther decided t9 curse us and open their ignorant mouth.

@@ldcg106 Explain why? What are the flaws in my argument, rather than just dismiss me? Fact. If they weren't in the sequels, Luke, Leia and Han would still have their happy scenes at the end of ROTJ. That would be the last time you saw them. Fact. Harrison Ford has wanted Han Solo killed off since the first movie. Lucas wouldn't agree. So, Ford may have only come back if Solo dies. Fact. Carrie Fisher passed away during the filming of "The Rise Of Skywalker". Bit hard to give Leia a happy ending when her portrayer isn't able to do scenes anymore. Tell me what is wrong with these established facts.

@@dhenderson1810 Fact: considering how much they influenced the galaxy, there is literally no way to make sequels after them without affecting something about their ending and it could have easily been done without destroying eveything they did in the Original Trilogy, like they did in the Expanded Universe. The could have still affected Return of the Jedi's ending without making it meaningless by just soft-rebooting the state of the galaxy. That was the hacks' pretending to be "writers" fault. Fact: if they had to kill Han Solo (they didn't), they could have easily made it so that he didn't abandon his wife, gone back to being a scoundrel, and definitely without having him being bad at it for some reason; he could have easily been a high-ranking member of the New Republic's forces (like in the Expanded Universe), and maybe then it could have at least been a more dignified death. That was the hacks' pretending to be "writers" fault. Fact: Carrie Fischer did die between movies; that was nobody's fault. However, given the age of the actors, Lucasfilm should have made it their priority to film at least one last scene with them together. That was the hacks' pretending to be "writers" fault. What is actually wrong with your delusions is that you are faulting the fans for the hacks' f***-ups instead of actually using a single braincell (if you have any) to attribute blame to where/whom it is actually due. Every terrible decision is Lucasfilm's and Disney's fault, no one else's; if they had actually listened to the real fans and had even a modicum of respect for what came before, they would have made better (actually good) movies, especially when they had the perfect blueprints to draw from and adapt, instead of decanonizing perfectly good (and better) material.

logically speaking as long as John exists Judgement day was going to happen. There would be no reason to send Reese back in time if Skynet wasn't a thing.

I always though the World series was just ignoring 2 and 3

@@ranwolf1240 the whole reason Hoskins was even involved with the park was because of his capture of the pteranodons.

To be fair, The Winter Soldier is based on a comic where it did retcon Bucky’s death to reveal he survived and was captured and mind-controlled into being an assassin vigilante, so they’re just simply following the comics.

@@hunterolaughlin I was going to mention that about following the comics but thought I would have to go onto explain if they knew he was coming back it probably shouldn't have been such a definitive looking death. Leave a plausible out. It takes the trust right out of the audience. Like there is no real risk.

​@@hunterolaughlinI hate when movies just copy a comic. It makes the movie too predictable and there are no stakes. I mean, you knew Bucky wasn't dead, because he survived in the comic. You see the twist coming.

@@dhenderson1810 Well for those who read the comics, yes. But not for the general public that’s unfamiliar with the comics. Heck, I’ve never even read any of the Captain America comics nor even The Winter Soldier graphic novel the film was based on and I only know Bucky survives (Or his death is rather retconned) because that’s OBVIOUSLY the premise of the graphic novel.

@@hunterolaughlin Even more reason to not adapt the comic storylines to screen. It is lost on the general audience who don't read the comics. But those who have complain when it doesn't follow the source material, but then complain when it does and it is too predictable and they saw the twist coming. Just right new original stories for these heroes while keeping true to their character, origin, powers etc.

yep

Yet the JP sequels are still MILES better than the Jurassic World sequels.

I think a bit of this was supposed to be explained during the TV series as well, but it's been a minute

How so?

@RobertGreenwald Toy Story 1, 2, and 3 all revolved around being there for the kid, above all things. Toy Story 2 is basically the antithesis of 4. Toy Story 4 completely butchered the theme of the franchise. Not to mention butchered the characters of Buzz and Woody while turning Bo into some super girl boss. Buzz, while confused in the first and malfunctioning in the third, was never a moron. In Toy Story 4 Buzz was borderline r*******. Toy Story 4 should never have been made.

That was the first film I thought of when I saw this was uploaded.

Note here and this is something that many disagree with btw. Personally despite what I commented. I actually think Toy Story 4 didn't ruin Toy Story 3 ending. I love Toy Story 4. And do believe Toy Story 4's ending won't be ruined by a Toy Story 5 being made.

I guess I'm the opposite, as I feel pretty sour about Toy Story 4, and this is coming from someone who is a huge fan of the previous three films and also enjoyed most of the miscellaneous additions such as Hawaiian Vacation, Small Fry, and Toy Story Of Terror. For me, Toy Story 4 completely undermines the ending of the third film, way too many characters are sidelined, those that aren't feel so out of character, and the new characters vary greatly in quality. The youtube series How Toy Story 4 Destroyed Everything goes into much better depth of why people like me are so frustrated by it, and it really comes across as being written by people who didn't properly understand the characters. I feel there's a small chance that the fifth film could course correct, but the damage could be permanent for me. I'd say the franchise should have ended with Toy Story That Time Forgot.

Think "Tremors"!

@@reallymadnomad7330 I only ever saw the first one. Had no desire to see the others (or the tv series), and after watching various reviews of them, I have no desire to.

rambo 2 never answered a question what was he in prison for? murder of the cop who fell from a chopper? self defence criminal destruction? man is suffering PTSD and as such is not responsible for his actions at most he would be placed in a mental hospital not a hard labour camp.

@philiprice7875 Unfortunately PTSD is not a valid defense and Rambo was in control of himself. The book for the second movie explains it more. Rambo admitted to what he did. It was all the charges of assault and property destruction that gave him such a huge sentence. It does get hinted at in the first film that a few of the deputies did also admit they went too far in their treatment of Rambo and that I think was also mentioned in the book for the second film. Been a long time since I read it though.

​@@stepheneddington1667Second book? I thought Rambo died at the end of the first book.

@@dhenderson1810 the second book was based on the second film.

@@stepheneddington1667 I know. But it is dumb doing a second book when you killed Rambo off on the first one. The movie didn't kill him off, so they can get around it easier.