When Moffat changed the numbering to include the Journey's End regeneration as an actual regeneration I was glad because it adds consequences to the tenth Doctor's vanity.

One big one was in Flesh and Stone when all of the angels moved on camera. What made them scary was how we didn't know what they looked like when they moved, how quickly they moved, and what they looked like when no one could see them.

I had no idea fans were upset about the bonus regeneration cycle given to Matt Smith before he changed into Capaldi. I thought that was one of the best things Moffat had done. That whole bit is really my biggest complaint about the Timeless Child change, too. Chibnal's reveal kinda ruined 11's regeneration. Unless it was all a farce being played out by the Council on Gallifrey. Which means Matt Smith could have regenerated at any time on his own but maybe he didn't because he didn't think he could? It's a big headache now

That’s why you give the fans what they need, not always what they want

Giving a new regeneration cycle was brought up in the 5 doctors special... they gave the master one... If remember correctly...

I stand by the theory that those extra faces were Morbius' previous lives, not the Doctor's, yes, I will die on that hill.

People who don’t like what was done with David Bradley need to go rewatch the available First Doctor episodes It was well done

I liked all of those to be honest and enjoyed them all including Flux, Hell Bent and TUAT. Chauvinism was rife in the 60's and the doctor was a bit like that back then having watched all that are available from that time. I have noticed this trait in SOME whovians quite a lot. Also very short memories appears to be a thing too 🤣🤣

Great vid except for a certain gripe I have whenever anyone says it: the doctor is not the timeless child. The doctor used to be the TC before a chameleon Arch changed them to a gallifreyan. Then after school, the doctor became a timelord and ran away (with a limit on regenerations). Unless the doctor ever opens the watch, he is now just a timelord with a new set of regenerations.

I didnt even know people were mad at David Bradley coming back as the first doctor ngl... I loved it! It accurately represented the show's origin, warts and all. The writing and the character WERE sexist, and 12 addressed that correctly, but they also showed 1st heart, his determination to help, his grandfather-like attitude to the universe, and his scientific thinking. Loved it ❤

Re: Thasmin. To me when the 'Fam' was first introduced in 'The Women Who Fell to Earth', they planned to pair up Ryan and Yas (don't know what that pairing would have been) as a slightly low key call back to Rory and Amy, given that they suggest that Ryan and Yas were former school chum who lost contact, IMO. It was only after the Thasmin pairing got so popular online that DW producers diverged from their plans.

I'd be for the Morbius Doctors taking place somewhere between #2 and #3. It doesn't mess with the lore (they could just not be called Doctor) and respects the previous and future actors who take the role. And yeah, David Bradley got done dirty in Twice Upon a Time. The First Doctor was NOT like that and the meta writing really brought the episode down. Credit to Bradley and Capaldi for carrying that mixed episode on their backs, it was a heavy load at times.

I guess I am the oddball for a Doctor Who fan that loves the longer Doctor Who series stories

I like watching Doctor Who. I have done since the late 1960s. All so called fans should be just like me, and simply take it as it comes. No whining, no complaining. There were some stories and characters I didn't like, but every show has its ups and downs. As long as it is there for us to enjoy, that is all that matters. I have spoken! Heed my words and marvel at my wisdom. :)

I’ve thought it would be more interesting if it turned out to be The Master who extended the reincarnations. Then the Timelords would consider The Doctor a fugitive as he’s lived past his warranty.

I actually have two theories as to why the time lords gave the doctor a new regeneration cycle, despite him being the timeless child. Theory 1. The Doctor had been stripped of his infinite number of lives, and was genuinely on death's door when "11" grew too old to carry on, but with Clara's plea for help, the time lords restored his ability to regenerate infinitely, even allowing him to regenerate into some of his old faces (*Ahem* Power of the doctor *ahem*) Theory 2. The doctor still had his infinite number of lives, but the timelords gave him a new cycle of regenerations to prevent the doctor from finding out he was more than a timelord. He was a god. They also probably would have done this, because they knew that if the master found out, he would likely be pissed, and send Gallifrey back to the stone age, As well he's technically a product of the doctor.

I liked Flux. I felt the criticism was a bit harsh.

‘Maybe we should’ve thanked Chris Chibnall’ Hahahahahahahahaha 😂😂😂😂😂😂

In retrospect, I think the 1996 movie failing as hard as it did was a massive boon to the show. I remember those days (and the movie) and honestly cannot see how any way that the version we were being offered in the movie could have led to a long lasting series. Knowing the US TV networks tendency to cancel any thing that doesn't immediately click with their audiences (Police Squad!), I can very easily imagine a hybrid US/UK show being pulled off the air after maybe half a season, if that. The US network mindset simply doesn't seem able to accurately replicate UK TV shows (I know nothing of The Office and will not comment), as seen by repeated attempts to transplant popular UK shows such as The Young Ones, Ab Fab, Red Dwarf, and Fawlty Towers.

13 was ASEXUAL; she even said it: "I could, but I don't, but I used to, but if I did, it would be with you." the number of times I've felt that way...don't dismiss that ace ship.

8:47 the numbering isnt dubious at all. The regeneration at the beginning of Journeys End HAS to count as one of the twelve in the original cycle. If it didnt, then a time lord can cut off their hand shortly after regeneration and grow a replacement, always keep the severed spare hand handy, and then whenever they start to regenerate in the future they siphon off the excess regen energy (regenergy) into the handy spare hand, then every time they are mortally wounded they can always regenerate without ever having to change their incarnation and the whole concept of regeneration is largely meaningless. It would mean every time lord has infinite regenerations and never has to change as long as they keep a spare body part in their pocket. And obviously war doctor counts too

I don't care what people say Steven Moffat gave the show a reason to go on for 50 years more.

If I may say a few things: 10. Frazer Hines (Jamie) has had a dislike of the Revived Series because of it producing 45-minute episodes that each had their own plotline as opposed to the serials of the Classic Series (including his own time). In fact, people have complained about the lack of character development during while Ryan, Yaz and Graham were with the Doctor mixed with the singular episodes while the Classic Series also had three companions at a time for the First, Second and Fifth Doctors and were able to flesh out the characters. All the same, I've liked the Revived Series apart from 13) as much as I did the Classic and not based on the episode runtimes. 9. The final appearance of the Eighth Doctor in the Doctor Who Magazine comics was The Flood, in which the Doctor faced off against the Cybermen. It was allowed by the BBC for the Doctor to regenerate into the Ninth Doctor in this story (which would've happened when the Doctor defeated the Cybermen by absorbing the heart of the time vortex, which is ironic), but the Doctor had a companion in the story, Destrii, and they couldn't think of a good way to write her out. 8. I don't have much to comment about this since I've not liked one bit of Jodie Whittaker and Chris Chibnall's time on the show, but I all the same think that how the first ever companion return overall in 13 years (which also when Jack last appeared in a major in the show) was treated with disrespect. 7. Couldn't we have just had the "Morbius" Doctors go unexplained? That was the whole point of the Cartmel Masterplan from the 1980s, to add to mystery back into the show. 6. I've thought that David Bradley was rather good as the First Doctor, following how he portrayed William Hartnell in An Adventure In Time and Space. The First Doctor as originally played by Hartnell did tend to be rather sexist, which is what Bradley was also doing. 5. When me and my family all got together to watch Class, my sister stated a shock at how it was because she thought it would be like how The Sarah Jane Adventures was but actually was more like Torchwood (and while I've liked all of the spin-offs, I liked The Sarah Jane Adventures more but hated Torchwood after it's second series). 4. Again, I have no support of the 13th Doctor being with Yaz and believe a lot of fans would feel the same. 3. I actually rather liked The Two Doctors (despite the complaints). 2. I admit that the number arrangement is quite hard now, but I've not minded it overall. 1. I've actually rather like the stories set on Gallifrey.

I don't like the idea that the doctor has infinite regenerations as that feels too safe and takes away the risk

nothing was wrong with thasmins ending, if you really watch and think about it, it’s good that nothing more happened between yaz and 13 bc it would have made it harder for yaz to leave the doctor when she regenerated, and yaz knew she had to leave 13 cause the doctor who came next would not be *her* doctor. it was perfectly done

Never give the fans what they want, give them what they didn't know they needed.

I was more mad that the master had destroyed galafray in that timeless child episode. Like we had only just gotten the timelords back and hadn't even really had a chance to explore stories with them returned and suddenly WHOOP! gone. Though yes the timeless child will end up being bad since they'll never end up actually doing anything with the revelation.

It's just so sad to see so many people take something that is entertainment and it gives you an opportunity to understand love in different dimensions and then hate on it because it's not exactly what they expect. Can we please let art be art and "if you love it, fantastic, but if it's not for you that's okay too"?

Doctor Who Fans: Complain every time Gallifrey's destroyed Want episodes on Gallifrey Complain about every episode on Gallifrey Sounds about right!

I liked David Bradley as the 1st Doctor. I get what they were trying to do with some of his characterization, but I think they could have reconciled it better. The Sarah Jane Adventures was pretty great. Torchwood was okay; and honestly I think the only time it was great was "Children of Earth". I don't have a problem with an adult themed spin-off set in the Whoniverse, but I think veered a little too hard in that direction. Sometimes subtlety, even when you're trying to push the envelope, can make your point just as effectively, if not more so. And sometimes it seemed to substitute an actual plot with sex - just for the hell of it; and because the characters are insatiable. The world is ending, but Jack has to pop into a club to have a random hook-up (twice, if memory serves, from "Miracle Day". Honestly, I only saw it once, but I didn't really follow the plot of Flux. I don't actually recall what happened. It didn't actually seem important enough to care. The Timeless Child just seemed contrived. The Master killed all the other time lords, destroyed Gallifrey; super easy, barely an inconvenience. And oh, we're going to make the Doctor special for the sake being special, which the Doctor didn't need, because the Doctor was already special for what they do. That should be the easiest to (hopefully) retcon out, because the biggest issue of all is, why the hell would anyone believe a single word the Master says?? He could tell you the sky was blue and he'd probably be lying, especially if you were supposedly on Gallifrey. There are other ways, arguably better ways, of reconciling the Morbius storyline. Jack's appearance to get the Doctor out of the Stormcage just seemed beyond convenient. They setup this big story point of, oh no, the Doctor's been arrested and put in this super max space prison. And then Jack breaks her out within 5 minutes. Again, super easy, barely an inconvenience. Ryan George would have a field day. No stakes, no consequences.

Lol, when you talk about Spin offs I notice you didn’t mention Class….😂

The proper title of this ought to be "When Doctor Who writers are so bad, they can't even do really good story ideas right." The fans asked for GOOD WRITING, what we got... was not that.

I love the Two Doctors.

"You don't want your skittles?" Lmao.

Maybe this is common knowledge, dunno, but we learn in Classic Doctor Who that there is such a thing as getting a new cycle of regenerations. That's what the Time Lords offer the Master as a reward, if he goes into the Dead Zone and retrieve the Doctor's various incarnations stuck there. So Moffat wasn't just selling out, when "11" got a new cycle of regenerations.

It seems to me that "They hated it" because It was done poorly. the fans are complaining when they get what they asked for because those that gave it to them did an absolute shyte job when giving it to them. If I'm desperate for water, and you give me dirty water that tastes like crap, I'm justified in complaining about it.

I think Deadly Assasin, Five Doctors, Day of the Doctor and Hell Bent are great Gallifrey based stories, but yeah, I don't miss the planet and it's destruction in series 12 for me was a highlight of the otherwise dodgy timeless child arc.

The two times I laughed this video was the “two of three” comment and the last example cause I actually liked that two parter.

In many of those entries, it's not that people hated them for what they were, but they hated them for how they were done. Incompetently.

Capaldi's final episode had a fair representation of the original doctor, while he learned a little restraint and acceptance over the years, he still remained a product of his time. I get that people used to how the doctor has changed might be disappointed with his attitude, but that just shows how much he has changed, which was kind of the point of the episode.

this list is a testament to the phrase: be careful what you wish for.

Shawn u sound deep idk why 😂

"What you do in the privacy of your regeneration is your business..." 10 to 11, "Day of the Doctor"

I want to amend no.10 to say "A Proper (well written) series long arc". if Flux wasn't the result of a pandemic, and a writer with a lacklustre record, I don't doubt that it would've turned out so much better

Some of those Morbious faces were Morbious, who was another Time Lord!

Alternate title: "10 times Doctor Who tried to give fans what they wanted, but badly executed".

From what I can tell most people enjoyed captain Jack in season 12 but I might be wrong idk

9:20 NO. The "Timeless child" is a canon hiccup most likely another scheme by the new Master or another of the Doctor's innumerable enemies.

The only one that I hated was the resetting of the regeneration cycle. I was hoping for a Valeyard vs Doctor rematch... but nope.

Moffat still mis-numbered the Doctors. I forget which Doctor but either Tom Baker’s 4th or Peter Davidson 5th gave up a regeneration to save an alien species. So technically David Tennant’s 10th Doctor putting regeneration energy into the hand would have been the use of his 12th and final regeneration once the War Doctor became included in the numbering. (Sorry Matt Smith your 11th Doctor shouldn’t exist.)

The Invasion Of Time is by far my favourite story in all of Dr. Who history.

I’m glad nothing else came of thazmin. The doctor can’t fancy everyone he/she travels with, no matter who ships them or how big of a historical moment it would be . They can have great friendship chemistries, that’s it. Rose was the exception because she was who the doctor needed after he had just survived the time war. Many fall for the doctor, the doctor can’t fall for just anyone, they aren’t Jack Harkness.

I think most peoples complaints about Jack being in Resolution was he never died! For anyone who had never seen him before he was just all talk, kept saying about being immortal but never showed it! Just one death! Come on!

3:33 MORBIUS!!!!!!! 🤯

Carrying on from the 13 regenerations the doctor starts to regenerate in the impossible astronaut but yet he shouldn't have even started regenerating if he had no more left. So why in the first place does he regenerate there since by his final episode he can't without the help of the timelords.

Why do people hate Doctor Who episodes, even though they are Doctor Who fans. I like all the episodes of Doctor Who, of course there are some that I like more than others, but at long as it is Doctor Who, it’s okay.

It's a universal truth that you cant please everyone. If any of this was actually a problem and you seem to think it is then Dr Who would not have continued.

I don't think the problem is people being given what they want, I think It's the fact it's done poorly. People want the thing they want, as well as good writing and good stories.

Rose 💐 didn't understand the floor mat between us during the whole episode Ben Moore

Fan service doesn't matter if it doesn't make any sense...or it's tokenism. If you were writing purely for fan service, you should have done it from the beginning of your run!

Shouldn’t this be titled “10 times Doctor Who writers fucked up easy writing assignments”?

The other Doctor faces are Morbin times he IS a time lord.

Flux wasn't a single story. It was three or four unrelated stories mashed together with an attempt to make them fit.

"The same criticisms nu who episodes receive" no, the same criticisms Chibnall episodes receive. And frankly, other than the massive gigantic plot hole thats never addressed (the universe was destroyed but they all just go back to exploring like it never happened), I liked the Flux. It was the only thing in Chibnall's era that I genuinely enjoyed

I LIKE the Timeless Child storyline.

When chris chipnell destroyed galifry, I'm my opinion it ruined the whole 50th anniversary for me, but then again, in the eighth doctor novels, galifray gets dystoyed too

Well, I liked the Two Doctors.

This video almost should be titled: "Things that DW fans wanted, Chris Chibnall tried to do but failed miserably".

Morbious thing was great for debate and fan theory but if you take a fan theory and make it canon poof the debate is gone. Fans are fine with not having every question answered, there should be some mystery to the Doctor.

I love your videos Who Culture! Really interesting to actually think about how many things we have wanted to happen as fans, but when they did happen, we didn't enjoy them! 😂 Personally I think this is because we get what we want but it's not done quite well enough, or like the flux storyline, it's rushed and given a slightly useless ending. I was really disappointed with the way they ended yaz's romantic story with the thirteenth doctor. Yes she was amazing in the power of the doctor, but being dumped back on earth and having to go back to her old ordinary life just felt a bit pointless! Really enjoyed this! 😊😊

How do you state the problem plothole of the timeless child and not even recognize the plothole in the same breath at 8:56

I liked the first doctor being brought back, I'd kinda want to see the second as well in a similar manner

The common thread of many of these is Chris Chibnall just not being a good showrunner. I'm so glad that Russell T Davies is returning.

Funny how they keep avoiding the gorilla in the room concerning the thirteenth doctor not “not living up to expectations”.

Possibly you’re right, maybe we should thank Chibnall for blowing Gallifrey to smithereens

Wasn’t it confirmed Jack was ament to be a companion in series 13 until covid happened

"One of the most recurring complaints from fans who grew up with the classic series is that it didn't have enough time to tell a good story..." What? As an old Who fan, my major complaint (and I mostly love it) about new Who is need to tell these long arcing stories. I love the monster of the week! ;-)

Star Trek Discovery has been cancelled and Star Trek Strange new Worlds gave fans what they wanted and got ratings as good as The Orville. The choice is simple.

For me the problem with the 13 lives solution was that Moffat's solution felt more like he just wanted to have a crack at it to get it out of the way. I'd been really looking forward to a writer of his calibre coming up with a complex solution that might have been quietly staring the audience in the face all the time. I wanted to see what unfolded and think: "Oh that is SO clever!" Instead, we got a solution that was effectively: "Oh please give the Doctor more lives." "Oh alright then. Here you go!" - which was seriously underwhelming. I mean, I could have written that, and I'd have thought it was crap.

5:11 North pole? Are you confusing the first Doctor with Santa Claus?

Season-long story arcs suck in episodic TV. I thought that Classic Who struck a happy medium with maximum 4 -part "serials". Not too short to tell a good full story, but not too long to drag it out...

Or in other words message be careful in what you wish for as you might just get it.

Bradley was great as Hartnell Doc

The explanation and recanonization of the Morbius Doctors is why I actually loved the Timeless Child. I am hoping we get to meet more Pre-Hartnell Incarnations.

What if the Morbius Doctors are the "Doctor" but they are hfvjdnfjednbcfvhudfujx or whatever their real name is. Because they said that the War Doctor didn't go by the Doctor.

Sean, you sound like you have a head-cold! If so, feel better! ❤

Never thought of teh Chibnall blowing up Gallefry as a positive until now.......... random but kinda like it! (timey wimey means we'll see gallefry restored again, probably when the master reveals they're the timeless child)

You okay there Sean? You sound unusually....quiet. (to me) you appear far more energetic over at TrekCulture

Did America ever see Sylvester's run in the end? I've heard since that the BBC bumped the price up of his episodes deliberately so America couldn't afford them so the BBC in turn, could say that the show wasn't doing well overseas and thus give them another reason to axe it.

Well, sometime we want things we don't like. And sometimes we don't like what good for us. The 70's having stuffy leadership and people trying to do things in spite of that? Sounds normal to me.

Wonderful clickbait title. if they fans had got "exactly" what they had wanted, they would not have hated it. They did not get exactly what they wanted by a longshot.

What happened to your voice, Ellie?

Again, fans maybe wanted spinoffs, but NOT crap spinoffs. They didn't get "exactly" what they wanted. See, I wanted an Ellie segment, but I didn't get "exactly" what I wanted. I got a wanker with attitude... :-P

Yayyyyyyyy Beautiful Work, #WhoCulture and Seán Ferrick!!! Thanks to Mark Donaldson's writing and Danny Megan's great edits, I am a very happy camper 😊

The Yasmin+Doctor relationship would have worked so well without the other two, very weak, companions.

The Flux wasn't bad because it was a multi episode storyline, it was bad because it was badly written, confusing, and boring. That series never features in my rewatches. Those episodes felt like a chore to watch.

Implying the Fans 'wanted' anything from the chibnal era.

Bradley's 1st Doctor was fixed in Big Finish, though.

Doctor who fans hating something! I am shocked, shocked i tell you... well not that shocked.

LMAO at the lock down being due to Doctor Who fans arguing.