I wonder if this episode will resonate with the audience

HILARIOUS!! Loved every second. Nice to see these guys rib each other like my friends and I do.

I installed one on my T3 300WSM. It really did help with the groupings. Its now on there and never taken off. It worked for this rifle. I just leave it on. My brother-in-law laughed about it. But I just said well... its useful when you have it on there in your hunting rig. Its the same idea as bow stabilizer. Harmonics. Simms have been in that business for years.

Half hour on a $10 barrel deresonator is squarely on brand 👍🏻

WANT TO SEE THE TEST RESULTS "VIDEO "... 🤔🤔

The Monty python references are on point. “what is your favorite color conundrum?” will make an appearance at some point

This episode was just too funny!!!😂😂😂😂

I love how Mark squirms at every thought of having that prophylactic on his rifle. It's not even that he's worried about it shooting better, it's all about how it looks on his rifle.

I would love to see this test. Ten shot groups without it on and with it on?

Ya had me at "Doinker".....then Jim put it on, at Mark's request.....hysterical.

I've had one from Limb saver for 14 years now it improved my grouping over not having it on. Mine is 1 front of stock of My Savage 110 270/30-06 Limb saver devises like this are well known in Archery

Ran one on my 30 Gibbs for quite some time, then found a load the rifle really liked, took it off and have not used one since. It worked well enough, I stocked them for sale in my shop. Mark needed a carrot nose for this one.

An example: my Savage Axis in 30'06 loves 150gr and 180gr. I would prefer to use 165gr as a do it all bullet weight but 2 1/2 MOA isn't acceptable. Try the De Resonator with the 165gr.

Watching Ryan loose it when Mark describe the installation made this video. Keep up the good work guys!

A thumbs up just because of the intro up until the “labored drink of water”. 🤣

This has been an interesting and totally entertaining episode 😂.

Anything that changes barrel harmonics will either positively or negatively impact groups the limbsaver works it’s not ascetically pleasing but it does work

There are barrel whip and there are barrel resonance. Most what people thing is resonance is whip, this wouldnt do anything for the amount of forces on the barrel. The resonance it could effect which would potentially effect follow-up shots but it would just effect changing the resonance and each barrel, thickness, material, bore, temperature will impact it. You would need to find out the resonant frequency of the barrel and adjust the ball thing accordingly, now if that will actually do anything for your accuracy. I would say no it wont. Because if it did it would come on your gun and you would see PRS matches with all of them on their barrels 15 years ago.

I’ve never seen Mark swirm this much ever

Absolutely hilarious, informative and fun! I might as well add in my favorite quote from the movie Super Troopers "yeah, we got Bobby the baboon here in lock up and he says for 20 bananas, he can provide evidence that Johnny Chimpo is the pimp in charge of the Cartoon Network whorehouse". 😂😂

Dude! You guys are the best and I know the older you guys get the better it’s going to get. 🤛🏼

Great results with my 2 Tikka T3's have used this product for Years !!

The instructions are very clear, if the barrel is free floated then start the limbsaver near the muzzle to start. If the barrel is not free floated then start near fore end of stock. The way I use it is I get as good a load as I can through reloading and then use the limbsaver to get a little more. I usually find it improves my 100 yard group by 25%.

This was crazy good!!!

i put one of these on a marlin 795 that would at best shoot 0.8-1.0 @ 50 yards. after putting it on i was getting 0.4 average from 5, 5 shot groups! mind blown… and i was using cheap cci blazer ta boot. crazy…

I tune barrels with bedding changes and was going to get one for convenience. With buddy jokes, no way!

Yes, understanding the road to greater accuracy becomes easier once you recognize the basic concept of wanting a bullet to leave the barrel once it has become stationary. Because of natural vibration, this only happens at the peaks of its sinusoidal flex. Barrel tuners allow the shooter to adjust the barrel's flex to make this event closer to ideal. It also points to why different bullet weights and powder charges create varying levels of accuracy, and why some barrels with a pressure post are more accurate than others that are free-floated. Experimenting with the torque of action screws, and especially the front screw, is based on achieving the same improvement for the same reasons.

I put this product on my Savage Axis and it did help the grouping tramindasly.

Ryan's mug makes me think of Max Headroom... Harmonics - watch Eddie Van Halen tap the beginning of Women In Love - he's hitting notes that resonate harmonically. The guitar string is a certain length between the two ends of the guitar, and if you split it in half, at the 12th fret, you can get a harmonic reaction there - and there are other places you can see that happen along the neck. The best example I can think of is if you think of a bathtub half filled with water, with the same shape at both ends of the tub. Drop something right at the middle, and the waves will propagate to the opposing ends of the tub, and then they will reflect back towards the middle. When the reflections meet at the middle, they cross over and create a peak - there will be other waves as well, but the point here is that the point at which they cross over at the middle is a depiction of a harmonic resonance - cutting the wave at the halfway point... That's not exactly how it works, but I'm trying to paint a picture - if you pick a guitar string, it plays a note. If you put a finger lightly above that string at the 12th fret and then pick the string, it will play that note, but basically, two waves will be generated along that string, and one will go towards the bridge, and the other wave will go up the neck - and once they reach the end of their length, the wave will reflect and go back towards the middle, where they will crossover - think of it as the 0 on a sine wave - so it is technically the opposite of the tub example, but that was to paint a picture of the reflection of the wave. Now, take this harmonic resonance and apply it to a barrel - that's something that should be visible when using a high speed camera, and it makes sense that the Deresonator does its job by splitting the waves so that they bounce into each other at complimentary frequencies. When playing guitar, for example, playing two notes that don't go together can cause dissonance and can be very unpleasant to hear, but when you play complimentary notes, notes that resonate harmonically, it can sound glorious. Last point - about dissonance - if we go back to the bathtub example, dropping an item at the middle gives us harmony when the waves reflect and cross over at the middle, and they'll keep doing that over and over again, with a smooth peak at the middle. But if you drop something a little bit off to one side of the middle, the waves will reflect and then cross over at a point other than the middle, and instead of having smooth crossover at the middle peak, we end up with, over multiple oscillations of the sine wave, peaks that crash into each other at different points, not creating a nice big peak in the middle, but little peaks everywhere that fight each other, and deplete their energy because they're crashing into each other, causing breaking peaks, instead of smooth sine wave crossovers. How much of that plays into the rifle harmonics? I'm sure that's exactly what this device does, and now I am going to buy one and try it out. If you've read this far, when you go out to test this theory, take a high speed camera with you and record the rifle firing, from the side, so you can see the barrel 'wave', and see if you can figure out where to place the device - and make adjustments looking at the film - see how it affects the 'wave'.

Thank you for the Holy Grail segment!😂😂😂😂

I would like to see some video with the Tikka and a Limbsaver barrel resonator on. Just to see. Not just you 3 yammering on for a half hour lol

Excellent harmonic balance between the hosts. My hunting partner has a like Limbsaver branded rubber barrel ring (it's just a ring, not this configuration) on a Savage Westher Warrior .300 WSM. He swears by it.

Mark and Ryan at the beginning😁

We need an episode on the guns of lore these three guys talk about all the time. Marks wsm, Ryan’s 300wby, and Jim’s 6.5 American.

My dad bought one of these awhile ago for his .300 WSM and always wondered what it was called.

I use a limbsaver deresonator on my Savage Axis .223. I found that it helps a bit on inexpensive rifles such as the axis.

Used these on 2 different rimfires with excellent results. There will also be a large shift in your point of impact - you can use this to your advantage. One Savage B mag .17WSM BBL in particular was chambered so poorly that it needed more scope elevation to zero than the scopes turrets allowed for. As soon as the deresonator went on there the point of impact went up by almost 9 inches and put it into a range the scope could be adjusted to. In addition, being rimfires with no hand loads it was useful to tune to different lots.

Just a thought here after reading alot of the comments how about you buy like 10 of the donkers and line the whole outside of the barrel and see what happens love the content keep it coming

Dilly-Doinker! Doink! Doink! Doink!

When you do your "wip tuner" range day, bring your high speed camera and multiple wip dampers. Cell phone set to slowmo may be a fast enough frame rate(not likely) to show the wip change, and help identify what muzzle tip behavior is most desirable.

Call me immature, but best podcast ever

In regards to the Doniker. I would absolutely take it off for photos! That said I've never tried one but I have thought about it and may after listening to this podcast.

Testing...he we come! Targets await the tests! Methods will be explained! Part 2 is going to reveal the truth! Or will it!?

The fact that we are Toyota guys makes me feel right at home here!

Can’t wait to see the test

They do work to a degree but you have to fine tune it up n down till your groups tighten! All this is doing is changing the whip/node at witch your bullet exits the muzzle! This can also be done by changing bullet seating depth when you reload

Even my wife was laughing and she had no idea what you were talking about

Love the content. Keep it up.

"Deresonator" is probably the wrong term - it's really a "harmonic tuner"where you're adding mass to a system to *change* its resonance point, just like anything else you attach to your barrel (brake, thread protector, sights, etc.) will. Like others mentioned it's a barrel tuner, and it's just convenient to move this tuning mass around to find the right point, and thus the right resonant frequency, for your rifle with any given ammunition. Because it's rubber, or at least rubber-coated, it also won't mar your barrel. In principle it's no different than finding the right load for your gun - when you adjust powder charge you're varying how much power is put into the system to start it oscillating (which affects frequency and where in the cycle the bullet leaves the barrel based on bullet speed), with these devices you're keeping power & bullet speed consistent and tuning the mass of the system to change the frequencies involved, and in both cases you want the bullet leaving the barrel while it's "paused" in its oscillations.

Barrel harmonics: This device might just mirror the harmonics of minute changes in powder type and amounts.

23:03 If the exact Ammo is out of production... We would accept using the same rifle, with a variety of similar ammunitions. You've done that for the ballistic gel tests, Copper this, binded that, cup and core, etc etc. See what performance it averages over several 3 or 4 or 5 shot groups... With each ammunition type... Then add the 'device', and see if that rifle... Tightens up.

Can I suggest you make a similar piece of kit and market it as The Dionker.

They are funny and intellectual at the same time.😅

And i found it oline and will order soon 😊 thanks guys for the cheap new product to play around with and making me laugh 😂. Great paodcast.

He said, she said....😂😂😂😂

I had a Browning Stainless steel Stalker in 7mm rem mag . I could never get it to shoot a good group . It always threw the first shot 1" high and 1" to the right the next two shots would be dead on . Would have loved to have one of those .

Reminds me of a barrel tuner, Eric Cortina has a few he produces. Another KZfaqr (@Gunfather Precision) did something similar with a shaft collar, 2$ barrel tuner video.

Lol, I thought Ryan was going to lose it!

Thank you Vortex

The answer to the question “does it work”, is maybe. I tried this on two different guns. I have Remington 700 in 308 and it was a 1 1/2 “gun regardless of what kind of “tuned” handload I put through it. This thing turned the gun into an under 1” guns all day. I got so jazzed I put one on my Browning Abolt 7RM which was a 1” at best. It made no difference whatsoever! I’m thinking barrel metallurgy plays a bigger part. The Remington was a later model when Remingtons reputation was suspect.

I once had a long barreled Browning in 270 win and had a Browning 'compensator' installed. Results? ASTOUNDING!. Don't know a thing about the 10.00$ thing they are discussing so have no opinion. But the Browning ended up a little better than .25 MOA which is pretty much as good as I've ever been able to shoot.

If one works good, does 2 work better?

It's a awesome product. Works on my axis 308.

24:34 Jim. Oh no mark, every rifle I own, shoots real. Nice right now. Borat might say Verrry Niice

Great stuff

I feel a little bad for Mark after getting railroaded by a couple guys with a barrel doughnut. But mostly because he should be able to save the ammo he likes for his gun thats not available anymore. That seems important to him.

HE DOES IT ON THE BROWNING IN QUESTION

How much for the Ryan coffee cup? 2 box of tungsten.410 shells sound about right?

You probably was shooting different ammo than he tested it with. Thats what ima go with. Because that would bebthe only thing that would throw it off if its in the wrong place for that ammo. Especially if there's a big change in weight and speed.

Nice one,you gave it a good go this time. I’d be interested to see if you can make a fair test, without collapsing with laughter.

Mark had me cracking up.

Speaking of cheap accurate things the 340 weatherby magnum is very accurate and on that note upnext on 10 min talk the 340 weatherbt magnum

Want to see the results of the test.

Its really just a barrel tuner made of rubber….. same thing can be accomplished with a steel ring with ring with a set screw like i made. i turned it on my lathe in 20 mins and i set it with a caliper but be careful using it with harder recoiling rifles, cause it can move on you, so it is best practice to check it after every couple shots with your caliper cause it can make your gun shoot better or worse it just depends on where you put it on the barrel it is the exact same concept as erik cortina’s tuner break cause it changes the harmonics of your barrel by changing where the weight is essentially

Shoot a lightweight rifle with crappy ammo in test and then shoot a heavy barrel hunting rifle to test. They make deresonators for both barrel types

If your barrel is free floated, the Doinker is supposed to be installed at the muzzle end.

Would this work on a #6 contour barrel? For $10 it’s worth a shot.

If you guys want to talk about another unique cartrige that not many people talks about, the 8x56r is a good one or 7.7 Japanese

Yes tuners like these can work sometimes, but it's also like carrying a Taurus. Does it kinda work?....yes? Is it awkward, and will your friends make fun of you?... also yes lol

We have barrel deresonators (aka a donut) on three rifles. One has a thin barrel and two are #2 Weatherby contours. Accuracy with each of these rifles is better with the donut, cutting 3-shot groups by about 3/8". Each donut is just forward of the stock.

im watching this and listening to Mark back pedal and I'm busting a gut laughing at him.....

Corrected title: “Mark gets roasted for alternate reality relating to barrel dingus” 😂

28:20 I thought there was going to be a cutaway to the range results... Hrmmm. I've been Spoiled by the cartridge ballistic gel pairings, Being available for review in the library. Drat

1:11 Giggity

I seem to think the one I use to have was branded by LimbSaver

That’s a dampener from a beestinger bow stabilizer!

If you do the test, it should be a factory rifle, unmodified.

You should do the 300wsm or a 30-06 with 180grn bullets

The “Doinker”. Go with it. Make it the official name for the device. Embrace the strangeness. Does look silly, but works.

TRAINING WHEELS ON THE LEAD SLED..😂

Confirmed, Mark hates this device as well

When you buy one at midway USA you get a free dental dam

How many times do i have to comment to see it happen?

Another Great Podcast Guys 💯💥💥💥💥💥💥💥

I remember when these came to market. I almost died laughing. Free float your barrel, bed your action, and hand load people.

Barrel harmonics is such a complex thing, I can't imagine a 10$ piece of rubber would improve much. If it did I can imagine it would consistently. And the milage would vary wildly.

I've got them on every rifle I own!!!

Great podcast. I bought a new Savage Axis 243 about 10 years ago when a local gun shop went out of business for $200. I tried a variety of ammo nothing shot sub moa. I put one of these on it and shot a 5/8” group. Hey Mark buy a lead sled to tame your recoil when sighting in.😂

I put one on my ruger m77 lightweight in 30/06 tang safety made in '89. Grouped no better than 2moa before. Easily moa after. Barrel placement is key. Mine liked it about 4in from the end of the barrel . They do work. For 10 bucks try it.

WHENS THE TEST?