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It’s time for another of Ryan Muckenhirn’s “Lead Balloon’s.” On paper the .338 Federal checks a lot of boxes hunters look for in a cartridge. Alas, it didn’t make a lot of paper for rifle and ammunition manufactures. As with many cartridges, success or failure can be difficult to make sense of. The .338 Federal certainly outperforms its popularity. Was it timing? Was it not different enough from established offerings? Was there not a need? Did the masses get it wrong by not bringing this cartridge into the fold of gun safes across the globe? Mark Boardman, Jimmy Hamilton, and Ryan Muckenhirn pop this lead balloon and chat through its story, as well as its dismal acceptance by hunters and shooters.
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@BlueNinjaStay
@BlueNinjaStay 10 ай бұрын
Every time i watch larger caliber videos... "Psh, that round drops off at 800 yards" - Me, who only has access to 200 yard ranges within reasonable driving distance
@Alan.livingston
@Alan.livingston 10 ай бұрын
I have a pretty obvious theory that all these industry guys obsess over over ultra long range because there is a small but spendy amount of shooters who are willing to constantly upgrade their gear to the latest and greatest. They straight up aren’t interested in the average shooter for who thinks 200-400y is the longest they will ever go. Primarily because they don’t represent dollar signs.
@justinsalzl1517
@justinsalzl1517 9 ай бұрын
@@Alan.livingstonI disagree. I think these guys are true ballistic nerds (and we all probably are too since we listen to them), and it’s inevitable to push things farther and faster. It’s just like the space race - who can get there first? I’m fascinated by all of these, and I’m a standard caliber non reloader guy. I’d love to do some long range shooting - if I can get the time and money. But I could be completely wrong too. 🤣
@wadehunnicutt4131
@wadehunnicutt4131 10 ай бұрын
I absolutely love the 338 federal. I loved it so much that I actually bought a second one. Both after it was a dead cartridge. Both are Tikka T3X. Ryan: take a long look at the Barnes 160 grain ttsx and the performance you get from it. I believe you’ll love your new rifle.
@mackchristianson5400
@mackchristianson5400 10 ай бұрын
I absolutely love these lead balloon talks. Thanks for including them.
@FMDad-dm5qo
@FMDad-dm5qo 10 ай бұрын
Nice shout out to the poor .338-06; that always seemed like a fantastic round
@Royisme
@Royisme 10 ай бұрын
Absolutely agree!
@strat1080
@strat1080 10 ай бұрын
It really is
@danielrobey1759
@danielrobey1759 10 ай бұрын
It is!
@davewinter2688
@davewinter2688 10 ай бұрын
Definitely . I stumbled across one built by Iver Henricksen. One of Elmer Keith’s favorite gunsmiths. Look him up. He was from the era of P.O. Ackley and the other great pioneers of gun building.
@andrewcleveland
@andrewcleveland 10 ай бұрын
338/06 always seemed like the perfect bullet diameter for that case to me. Just almost had one built, but went with the 9.3x62 instead.
@blackie1of4
@blackie1of4 9 ай бұрын
I was looking at the 338 Federal in 2020.. and noticed that Ruger made a special run of the 358 Winchesters in their American Predator rifles.. so I jumped on that instead 😊 The 358 Winchester is more than " THE BRUSH BUSTING 358 "! If you hunt deer and black bear from zero to 300 yards.. there's a lot of great cartridges to choose from! Basically anything from the 243 Winchester on up! That being said.. I love the entire 308 Winchester family of cartridges! But my favorite caliber is the 35! I've used the 350 Remington Magnum the 350 Legend and the 358 Winchester with similar results.. inside of 100 yards! The deer didn't know the difference between the three.. ALL the blood trails were similar! They looked like you walked with a bucket pouring blood out along the way! All shots were broadside heart and lung shots.. and the deer didn't get to far either 😊 Love my 358 Winchester ❤
@ronlowney4700
@ronlowney4700 10 ай бұрын
One of the Best and Most Sensible Cartridges Ever Made! 🥳
@shanehebert396
@shanehebert396 9 ай бұрын
Agree. I really like my .338Fed. Hits *hard* and the recoil isn't bad.
@glennllewellyn7369
@glennllewellyn7369 2 ай бұрын
Agreed. Drops everything.
@gregdenton5282
@gregdenton5282 10 ай бұрын
These lead balloons are my favorite. Every time I walk away learning something new. I have a lead balloon for you guys, the .308 Marlin.
@paulnirschl6500
@paulnirschl6500 10 ай бұрын
I’ve had a 338 Fed since it was standardized and love it. It’s killed more White Tails than I can count and I think 9 Elk with Federal Premium 210 gr. Nosler Partions, all one shot kills and no tracking.
@mikebrewer4349
@mikebrewer4349 10 ай бұрын
Great Podcast! I would love to see a podcast on the 358 Win.
@PlunderAndPillage
@PlunderAndPillage 10 ай бұрын
It is an absolutely excellent round. Very mild. Great bullet selection.
@longrangeautist6117
@longrangeautist6117 10 ай бұрын
10-Minute Talk... 40 minutes later. Good episode, gents.
@ryanbutler315
@ryanbutler315 10 ай бұрын
I have a Ruger M77 in 338 federal and it's an absolute hammer on all game may very well be the best practical North America hunting round no one knows about 😅
@Royisme
@Royisme 10 ай бұрын
I'm glad you guys mentioned the 8.6 Blackout. For those just looking for suppressed 338s, take a look at the 338 Razorback, 10mm brass and fits in the AR15 platform! 🎉
@justahologram2230
@justahologram2230 10 ай бұрын
The real question is .338 Federal vs .358 Winchester
@tonkatank045
@tonkatank045 10 ай бұрын
Both kinda scarce but my vote is the Winchester round
@dwightdhansen
@dwightdhansen 10 ай бұрын
338 - the bullet selection is far better
@barrymantei7795
@barrymantei7795 10 ай бұрын
I have a 358 win. Factory ammo is scarce and expensive.
@tonkatank045
@tonkatank045 10 ай бұрын
Both seem like excellent cartridges to reload!
@travissmith-wz5nc
@travissmith-wz5nc 10 ай бұрын
.358 with in 300 yards east of Mississippi take over 308 and 338.
@TheWerewolfdark
@TheWerewolfdark 10 ай бұрын
40min worth of 10min talk haha. Boy, I love this show. would love to see an ep on 284win. cheers guys.
@MisterBrewer
@MisterBrewer 10 ай бұрын
I'm more of a fan of Ryan today. Very much appreciated that he validated and added to my views on the 338 Federal. 😊
@nathanschulz3651
@nathanschulz3651 10 ай бұрын
Howbout .357 MAXimum for a lead balloon. One of my favorite sleeper cartridges when loaded single shot. Thanks for making such a great podcast!
@FMDad-dm5qo
@FMDad-dm5qo 9 ай бұрын
That’s be fun. I think it was originally intended as a silhouette match round. There are Dan Wesson DA revolvers floating out there in the .357 Max, plus some Rugers (though I hear they had flame cutting problems), and a lot of people with a .357 Mag single shot rifle have thought about rechambering to the Max.
@aaronjohnson8575
@aaronjohnson8575 9 ай бұрын
The .350 legend basically is the .357 maximum ballistically. Smith is chambering a revolver in .350 legend now.
@NomadicHacker.
@NomadicHacker. 7 ай бұрын
​@@aaronjohnson8575but without the backwards compatibility with the 357mag and .38 special
@mikelevandoski843
@mikelevandoski843 5 ай бұрын
That would be awesome if Smith did the 7 shot X frame in the 357 Max or 360 Buckhammer. I would definitely buy one!
@NomadicHacker.
@NomadicHacker. 5 ай бұрын
@@mikelevandoski843 they should since the have the 350 legend.
@user-mc7jx5ct5x
@user-mc7jx5ct5x 10 ай бұрын
I bought 2 Sako rifles in .338 Federal for my 2 young sons. I did so mainly because I love Sako rifles, and these 2 sat in the gun store for years without being sold. Got a good deal to take them off their hands, and we have been very pleased with how they shoot and perform! Manageable recoil for a young hunter with plenty of knockdown power. I'm glad to hear people trying to keep it alive.
@adamresnick9027
@adamresnick9027 10 ай бұрын
More lead balloons!!! Seriously, I’ve been interested in the .338 Federal for a while, loved you guys covering this
@paulharveu526
@paulharveu526 10 ай бұрын
327 Federal Magnum. Good on paper, but just odd enough that it never really took off.
@e115x525
@e115x525 10 ай бұрын
Such a great cartridge that is basically nonexistant. Guns like the LCR in .327 fedmag are super appealing but theres just no ammo out there for it.
@boatrat
@boatrat 10 ай бұрын
There's the one. Except, too bad this show is only about bolt-guns.
@Kross8761
@Kross8761 10 ай бұрын
​@@boatratliterally the last "lead balloon" talk was about .444 marlin, they talk about all kinds of cartridges. Bolt guns are kind of their wheelhouse (Ryan especially) but they talk about many different firearms types.
@davewinter2688
@davewinter2688 10 ай бұрын
There was plenty of 327 Federal ammo before the pandemic. I have some stockpiled for my Charter Arms Patriot 2.5” carry gun. For those who don’t know six shots hotter than any 38 special or 9mm. Only about 10% less than 357 Magnum.
@scotteger6271
@scotteger6271 6 ай бұрын
@@davewinter2688the problem is ammo availability now…I was looking at it as an excellent carry option for my wife but there’s such a small amount of ammo available and what is available isn’t very appealing…like low recoil options, which neuters performance.
@larrygabbard4896
@larrygabbard4896 10 ай бұрын
Love my 338-06. Great cartridge out to 300 yds
@nksmfamjp7801
@nksmfamjp7801 10 ай бұрын
I love the 338 Federal. I can see a good 3 rifle combo of 6.5 Creedmoor, 280 Ackley Improved , and 338 Federal…..if I were smart. That said I own 223, 28 Sherman Magnum, 300 Sherman and 350 Legend…mostly in guns heavier than ideal. I think the issue is we all want something new, unique and sexy! 338 Federal is none of that, but I’d rather carry a 7.5lb 338 Federal than an 8lb 338 win mag. Also, we see ourselves as 800 yd deer slayers, but 338 Fed is a quite veristas 300yd rifle…..which most of my hunting shots are 300yds and under.
@INuniform
@INuniform 10 ай бұрын
Great series, made me want a .338 fed
@matthewyingling6490
@matthewyingling6490 10 ай бұрын
I have a 338 federal and it is a great round that died because of the ammo shortage.
@scottt.miller8151
@scottt.miller8151 10 ай бұрын
.338 Marlin Express was another lead balloon that deserved t better than it got. You should explore that cartridge, too.
@Off-target-xy6bx
@Off-target-xy6bx 10 ай бұрын
My led balloon is the 7 wsm. It is a good cartridge that just didn’t win the popularity contest but post good numbers on paper and works great on whitetail. The 35 wheelen in my reloading book shows to produce more energy than the 300 win mag or the 338 win mag at the muzzle and that’s impressive. As a short range large game cartridge it should be a more popular choice. IMHO
@Desertwolf426
@Desertwolf426 10 ай бұрын
I used 7mmWSM on yukon Moose, bear, and elk in northern BC... great cartridge. It should be very popular.
@Off-target-xy6bx
@Off-target-xy6bx 10 ай бұрын
@@Desertwolf426 moose hunting sounds like a hard hunt but totally worth it 👍
@danielrobey1759
@danielrobey1759 10 ай бұрын
The Whelan is a great cartridge
@brettstewart8765
@brettstewart8765 10 ай бұрын
The 7wsm is a wicked round, been dropping pigs ,camel, buff and scrub bulls with no drama at all, it should be way more popular, cheers Yogi 👍
@scotteger6271
@scotteger6271 6 ай бұрын
I had one 7 WSM in a Winchester Model 70…it was excellent but difficult and expensive to find ammo for (I’m not a hand loader) so I sold it. I got a good price for it though because the guy that bought it had family that also shot that cartridge so he didn’t have as many of the negatives that I had to contend with.
@CarRacerGVR4
@CarRacerGVR4 10 ай бұрын
It's recent but 224 Valkyrie is a definite Lead Balloon contender. More Lead Balloons!
@marcmoore4115
@marcmoore4115 10 ай бұрын
6.8 Western looks to be going the same way :(
@tombearclaw
@tombearclaw 10 ай бұрын
@@marcmoore4115 and probably the 6.8x51 for the military
@marcmoore4115
@marcmoore4115 10 ай бұрын
@@tombearclaw hmmmmm I guess we'll have to see. That's been a wildcat for a long time, so it might just gain traction once the military actually starts using them. Idk why they didn't just go with a 6.5 or 7mm tbh, but whatever... guess that's just them being weird lol. Imo 6 ARC was probably the best candidate for a lower-recoil option and 6.5 Creedmoor makes way more sense to me for their rifle, but hey - .27 cal is cool so I won't complain if it actually gains traction.
@Kross8761
@Kross8761 10 ай бұрын
​@@marcmoore4115yeah 7mm-08 could be awesome if given the hybrid case treatment. Imagine .280AI ballistics in an AR10 with a 160gr class of bullet traveling 2900fps from a 16-18" barrel. A "DMR" size rifle truly capable of reaching 1000yds with excellent terminal performance. I constantly have to talk myself out of selling a kidney so I can buy a sig spear just to tinker with it.
@marcmoore4115
@marcmoore4115 10 ай бұрын
@@Kross8761 im more of a bolt action guy, but damn that DOES sound good!
@BobEllis79
@BobEllis79 10 ай бұрын
As a levergun fan the 338 Marlin Express and 308 Marlin Express always intrigued me but they never took off either.
@mfallen6894
@mfallen6894 10 ай бұрын
Same. Had Remington not imploded (and that was around the time they started going way down hill) maybe they would have had a chance. Love the concept and am still eyeing BLR's and Henry Long Ranger's, but as a Marlin lover I keep holding off, hoping that maybe Ruger will do something similar with Marlin. Though the last I checked they still weren't even making the 1894, so any helical/box mag design is probably a decade off (if ever)
@DucDNA
@DucDNA 10 ай бұрын
I've had a 338 Federal Sako 85 since about 2009 and it's my go to hunting rifle for anything inside 300 yards. It bests the 7mm Rem Mag for short to medium range but in a shorter action and barrel. As Ryan said in the video, you just simply take 308 brass and run it through the die and that's it, it's now 338 Federal. If you don't reload it's not easy to find ammo but there are some companies that still manufacture it. I can't speak for any 338 rifles other than my Sako, but with handloads I'm easily getting under 1/2 inch groups with 210 gr TTSX and IMR 8208 XBR powder loaded to the specs in the reloading manual. I can't say enough good things about the cartridge for reasonable hunting distances. I think the trend of everyone wanting to take shots on game past 600 yards is unethical and irresponsible for all but the best and most practiced shooters.
@edgrifola6433
@edgrifola6433 10 ай бұрын
Love the content… I picked a 358win, an older leaden balloon, over the 338fed about when the 338 came out. With hand loads (of course) I get 100fps greater velocity with a 200gr pill in the 358 than with a 180gr in 308!! 358 has devastating performance on moose and large black bears (so does the 308 / 180 combo). But I just love the unloved cartridge.
@waltertanner6420
@waltertanner6420 8 ай бұрын
The 358 winis a great moose gun and better with heaver bullets than the 338 fed
@bryanheimann5370
@bryanheimann5370 5 ай бұрын
I have always wanted a .338 Federal, from the beginning of that cartridge. I just completely geeked out on the interwebs over the past couple of days reading about it, and asking questions in the webs. The 200 grain Speer hot cor might be the bullet that makes this cartridge what it was meant to be. There is a reason the 200 grain Federal Fusion is the only load for this that survived the test of time. Pretty much any 200 grain .338 spitzer is going make more power and keep that energy and velocity better than almost anything else out to 400 yards, that you could build off a .308 winchester cartridge. Plus you still get about a .250 sectional density. You could argue sectional density is not that important with this much mass and power, and an expanding bullet. But how many times have you heard, you want at least .250 sectional density for hunting big game? The 35’s can make more power but you are still dealing with the .308 cartridge case and powder capacity, and now you are also dealing with about a .2 ballistic coefficient. That makes the 358 Winchester about a 200 yard rifle before you really lose everything you gained with the bigger bore. The .338 Federal with the 200 grain slug could be a legit 300-400 yard gun. For sure inside 300 you can have good bullet performance and work with a 200 yard zero on big game. What got me interested in the .338 Federal again was comparing ballistics of 16-18” carbines. In a 16.5” barrel, the 338 Federal might could hang within 100-150 fps of a true magnum .338 cartridge at the same barrel length, with far less recoil and muzzle blast. Also the .338 Federal is very efficient. Look at Speer load data. reloadingdata.speer.com/downloads/speer/reloading-pdfs/rifle/338_Federal_200.pdf reloadingdata.speer.com/downloads/speer/reloading-pdfs/rifle/338_Ruger_Compact_Magnum_200.pdf With a 200 grain bullet in each, max loads with the .338 Federal are faster than starting loads with the .338 RCM using about 2 grains less powder. If they timed it right, they could have necked up the 6.5 Creedmore and AI it and called it the .338 creedmore. Or just stick to the .308 Win parent case, because it is the .338 bullet/bore that makes it so efficient. Or maybe they could have started with the .284 Win case. They would have sold the crap out of it. It is a truly efficient cartridge. But now we have the 8.6 blackout instead, based on a necked up and strangled down, over-spun 6.5 creedmore. Which is still awesome in the way the centrifugal force improves terminal ballistics of subsonic .338 slugs. The way I see it, for a hunting rifle the best way to go is either a 7mm or a .338. The 30 splits the difference for an all around gun. But i like the .338 better. I have to give credit to most of what I learned about this to the guys on the THF. They will steer you straight, and put you on the right path.
@lucasvaughn629
@lucasvaughn629 10 ай бұрын
Yes keep the lead balloon podcasts coming
@HRMAKRGT
@HRMAKRGT 10 ай бұрын
Great show guys! Its been mentioned before, but I shoot and handload a .350 rem mag, and i would love to see a 6.5 rem mag/.350 rem mag show!
@CustomWeldingandFab
@CustomWeldingandFab 10 ай бұрын
I second that! I have the 6.5 rem mag
@toddboyer9691
@toddboyer9691 10 ай бұрын
Great one. Bring on .35 Rem talk!
@buddy22801012
@buddy22801012 10 ай бұрын
I do love my old .35 Rem
@sammiller4321
@sammiller4321 3 ай бұрын
I really enjoy my 338 Federal custom build I done many years ago! It’s my go to for big bears on bait and spot and stock in Southeast Alaska!!
@cgeo187
@cgeo187 9 ай бұрын
An enjoyable conversation. A conundrum regarding the 338 Federal was that hunters, shooters, and writers alike have spent decades debating the merits of the 30-06 Springfield vs. the 308 Winchester, then comes along a cartridge that effectively resolves the debate (producing 30-06 velocity and trajectory to 300-yards out of a short action with all other variables equal) and yet the response was crickets. I suppose we all enjoy discussing such attributes as much, if not more, than using such well-engineered tools. Given that it performs well out of a shorter barrel length, the ~9% larger frontal diameter compared to 0.308" projectiles, and the moderate recoil I've homed in the 338 Federal as my preferred all-around eastern US cartridge. At least, that's my position on the debate : )
@kycania2046
@kycania2046 10 ай бұрын
Woodleigh made specific projectiles for .338 Federal Sadly a fire destroyed the facility In Australia. But they are coming back. I have a Kimber Montana in .338 Fed and a Sako Grizzly also love them.
@wbrodgers6160
@wbrodgers6160 10 ай бұрын
Great segment. Please float more lead balloons. My son has/had an 85 Kimber Montana in 338Fed where he was young (age 10 or so). If memory serves, it had an 18" bbl, but it might have been 16". Great light rifle, recoil was not bad. He used 185gr Trophy Copper ammo and took elk, black bear, whitetail, mule deer, pronghorn, and a host of African plains game as well as stag, tahr, and chamois in New Zealand. Longest shot was an aoudad at 535. I can't remember anything requiring two shots, except a gemsbok in Namibia. Great cartridge. Really punched above its weight.
@yooper7753
@yooper7753 7 ай бұрын
Pulling data from the internet doesn't speak for each and every person. Reloading keeps me in quality accurate ammunition. The 338 Federal and 338-06 A-Square cartridges are excellent. People that use these cartridges along with myself are in the know. Just because factory rifles and ammunition aren't being made doesn't mean the cartridges are dead. I reload, so expensive or hard to find proper headstamp brass isn't a concern. I easily use 308 Winchester and 30-06 Springfield brass with bullets from 180, 200, 210 and 225 grains. My Savage 16FCSS Weather Warrior in 338 Federal cartridge and Weatherby Mark V Ultra Lightweight in 338-06 A-Square cartridge are both outstanding performers. I also have an original stamped Rochester, New Hampshire Thompson Center Encore 15 inch pistol barrel in 338 Federal. Thor's Hammer Handgun! True big game hunters do not need to shoot 500 yards which in itself isn't hunting. Yeah, I also own a Savage 110 Hunter in 280 Ackley Improved. Once again easily reloaded with 280 Remington or 270 Winchester brass. Fireforming or hydroforming processes. Never will I own a 6.5 Creedmoor firearm. If I did get into a 6.5mm cartridge it would be the 260 Remington.
@samwindisch5596
@samwindisch5596 10 ай бұрын
The ultimate resurrected lead balloon, the 284 Win!!! (And all of its variants used by F class shooter)
@barrymantei7795
@barrymantei7795 10 ай бұрын
The current F class world champion shoots a 284 Winchester.
@nmelkhunter1
@nmelkhunter1 10 ай бұрын
The 284 is certainly very underrated. I met a guy at a Mule Deer Foundation banquet that hunts with a 284 Winchester. He is getting near 280 Remington performance using 140 Partitions. He has used it to kill a handful of 170” plus mulie bucks and a several pronghorn bucks over 75” at distances over 350 yards. Again, underrated.
@nathanginn6184
@nathanginn6184 10 ай бұрын
I’ve been working with the .284 for alittle over a year now. The new 150 Hornady Cx I’m pushing an average of 2875 fps. It’s definitely impressive. Next I’m gonna do a 25-284 so I can use the heavy 135 bergers and seat long for a long action. Should be darn near close to a 25-06 with better performance.
@orr89rocz
@orr89rocz 8 ай бұрын
Just shocked it hasn’t resurrected in the hunting world with more factory options
@kevinpatterson9886
@kevinpatterson9886 10 ай бұрын
338 Fed in a Sako grey wolf I mean it’s basically the hammer of Thor 😂😂 but honestly I do love the cartridge and the rifle. Re loading to shoots amazingly well with the hornady leverevolution powder!!!
@cfaddict4278
@cfaddict4278 10 ай бұрын
.338 fed is actually my current build. Interesting to see this while im in the midst of it.
@glennllewellyn7369
@glennllewellyn7369 2 ай бұрын
How did you go?
@lugerstonecock
@lugerstonecock 10 ай бұрын
I have a .356 Winchester in a Marlin lever gun. I love the chambering and the rifle.
@DanielPhillips86VA
@DanielPhillips86VA 10 ай бұрын
More LEAD BALLOONS!!
@danmorrison3354
@danmorrison3354 10 ай бұрын
Been thinkin' about a building a .338 Federal in an AR-10, courtesy of a .338 suppressor "Good Buddy Deal". The suppressor is really excellent, but a bit of overkill for the 300 Black AR it's currently fronting. Hence the .338 Fed. So this "Lead Balloon" podcast was extremely timely. In addition, I love it when you open up the Muckepedia and discuss cartridges. You simply cannot get the amount of information and insights so quickly anywhere else outside of Jeff Cooper's library. The Lead Balloons are also strangely fascinating - it seems the reasons for their failures are also very informative. So, this is a vote for more Cartridge Talks and more Lead Balloons. Quickly!
@garyscheer8017
@garyscheer8017 10 ай бұрын
Love the .338 Federal especially out of the AR10 platform
@LRRPFco52
@LRRPFco52 10 ай бұрын
I was waiting for them to mention it in the AR-10. DPMS offered factory rifles in it. What is yours and how is it set up?
@garyscheer8017
@garyscheer8017 10 ай бұрын
Savage MSR 18" barrel with a Leupold VX-3HD 3.5-10X50@@LRRPFco52
@glennllewellyn7369
@glennllewellyn7369 2 ай бұрын
Listen up people. Adult male speaking!
@PTWNSLGR
@PTWNSLGR 10 ай бұрын
Great job guys! Keep them up.
@canuckmagnum5841
@canuckmagnum5841 10 ай бұрын
Great episode guys, enjoyed this one! Another lead balloon to look at 307 winchester...
@calebjackson2631
@calebjackson2631 10 ай бұрын
I feel like the majority of us shooters/hunters, myself included, get lost in the woods of what different cartridges CAN do, rather than focusing on what we really need from a cartridge in our personal applications.
@mfallen6894
@mfallen6894 10 ай бұрын
Easy now, we can't be using logic and common sense in the gun world! If you're not on the hype train and claiming you take elk at 1600yd with your [insert brand new cartridge here] are you even really a hunter/shooter? Xd
@NELLY-jg2rx
@NELLY-jg2rx 10 ай бұрын
35 Whelen is kinda a led balloon bounce back, certainly has it's following, but with new hunting regs it has a good comeback story
@Swampytheroot
@Swampytheroot 8 ай бұрын
I jumped on 338 Federal when it appeared out of nowhere. I had a BLR 308 converted with a Shihen barrel. I wanted to convert a Valmet Hunter, but was talked out of it. Loved the cartridge. Not so fond of bullet cost to reload it. Finally, since most of my hunting is in the (former) tight woods and swampland of Eastern NC, it just didn't make sense when a 7.62x39 is very typically 'enough gun.' Changed the BLR back to a 308 that my dad now owns and loves. I really did like the 338 Federal. Nothing big enough in my region to justify it. On the other hand, I literally got into 6.5CM this week when I found Winchester 140 OTM for half what I have been paying for 6.5G Hornady Black. Got in 5 cases of the Winchester 140 and 1 case of Federal 120 OTM this evening. Scope sighting and range play all weekend. I'll see how it goes. Oh! With an Aero M5E1 complete build.
@twistedcanuck4232
@twistedcanuck4232 4 ай бұрын
I had KS Arms build a .338 Federal for me, and it's fabulous. Shooting a 200 gr Trophy Bonded Tip, I took an elk this fall. One and done at 100 yards (timber hunting). 95% weight retention, expanded to .652, penetrated from in front of shoulder, laterally through chest, broke last rib on offside and stopped on hide. 30"? penetration? Elk didn't go 50 yards. Excellent cartridge.
@SmokeybeardAB
@SmokeybeardAB 10 ай бұрын
Best 10 minute talk ever.
@craig5253
@craig5253 5 ай бұрын
Would love to see a 10 Min/Cartridge Talk on the 8.6 BLK! Really enjoying all of the info you guys disseminate ever since I stumbled across these podcasts a couple weeks ago.
@Alan.livingston
@Alan.livingston 10 ай бұрын
Great content. Keep it up.
@ontarget765
@ontarget765 10 ай бұрын
Love these talks gents. Keep it up
@michaelparker3105
@michaelparker3105 10 ай бұрын
Great Podcast guys, I genuinely believe that that short action .338's have place in light Carbine type on foot hunting applications. It would have been great to draw more of a comparison with the .338 RCM and also the .338 Marlin Express and why they went the direction they did. I have to agree that a Lever gun chambered in .356 Win is as cool as it gets, I know that Marlin and Winchester offered one for only a few years and then stopped production due to i think, "lack of popularity" really sad. Hey maybe with Ruger's acquisition of Marlin they may offer something interesting.
@stevesheller9223
@stevesheller9223 10 ай бұрын
I have a Kimber in .338 Federal and I absolutely love it. Shoots a factory Fusion Ammo 200 grain bullet to POA all day long. To me, it’s a gun for the person that wants one rifle to hunt all big game in the USA. I lived outside a Fairbanks, Alaska for 3 1/2 years and shot everything up there including moose’s,caribou, sheep, goats ,bear and even a wolf with a Remington 700 BDL in .308 Winchester. I call the .338 federal the .308 on steroids, it’s fantastic. YMMV.
@jamesmccansh3168
@jamesmccansh3168 5 ай бұрын
The .338 federal is my favorite, I'm saving to put a custom barrel on mine, with a 1 in 8 twist, because I love the 210gr Barnes, and want some extra rotational energy. Worth noting, the 160gr .338 bullets are usually barnes too, so being copper, that speed will work with them to penetrate well.
@austinatchison3716
@austinatchison3716 10 ай бұрын
If we don’t talk about the .284 Winchester as the ultimate led balloon I’ll be devastated! Also 25 wssm might be cool when considering the new high bc bullets
@marcmoore4115
@marcmoore4115 10 ай бұрын
There's a .25 Sherman Short Tactical. Very similar to a .25 PRC. Can run 135gr bullets at 3200fps. Certainly one of the flattest shooting cartridges. Where I am at ~1600m elevation, it's only 5.3MIL to 914m (1000yds), 6.1 MIL to 1000m (1093yds). Also only 1.1 MIL windage in a 10mph crosswind. For reference, the 6mm Creed with a 115gr Nosler at 2900fps is 6.9 MIL to 1000yds, 7.9 MIL to 1000m and 1.5 MIL at 10mph wind... insane ballistics from that .25. Just a shame there are no .25 cal 135gr hunting bullets.
@LRRPFco52
@LRRPFco52 10 ай бұрын
I have 2 bags of .25 WSSM brass, no rifle. Just trying to decide about whether to go 40° shoulder or not.
@marcmoore4115
@marcmoore4115 10 ай бұрын
@@LRRPFco52 what type of velocity you looking at with that? I guess feeding would be worse with a 40° shoulder? Especially on such a short, stubby case. I think bringing the shoulder forward and making them more aggressive could be pretty cool though. Siunds like a fun little cartridge. I really want to build a .25 GT one day. Seems like such an awesome cartridge, both for target shooting, especially PRS, but also for hunting smaller game like Springbok/Pronghorn.
@LRRPFco52
@LRRPFco52 10 ай бұрын
@@marcmoore4115 25 GT is probably the most practical, efficient, and capable manifestation of the Quarterbore. I've been looking at that too. There's a guy cleaning clocks with it now in PRS/NRL. I always have felt 130gr is where it's at for the 6.5-08 cartridges, but just wish the BCs were in the 142-147gr 6.5mm realm. Bam, 131gr Blackjack and then 135gr Berger in .257".
@marcmoore4115
@marcmoore4115 10 ай бұрын
@@LRRPFco52 now also the 134gr Hornady ELD-M. Very cool to see them jump on board! BC isn't quite as good as the Berger 135gr and as far as I know, I think Blackjack closed down. 135gr Berger has a .33 G7 BC, 6mm tops out at .312 with the Nosler RDF, the first .264 bullet that beats the 135gr Berger is the 140gr Nosler RDF, 144gr Berger and 147gr ELD-M... absolutely awesome performance from them. I'll probably start off with a 6mm Creed though, as I only have a .308 lol. It'll probably be my next rifle.
@propertypreparedness6846
@propertypreparedness6846 10 ай бұрын
Great work gents. I'll have to try this one out.
@markbirkett3505
@markbirkett3505 10 ай бұрын
Love the cartridge review podcasts. I can’t believe you have meetings to find cartridges to talk about and STILL haven’t covered the 300WM🤯
@NELLY-jg2rx
@NELLY-jg2rx 10 ай бұрын
I love this lead balloons series, because I absolutely love niche cartridges.
@austinmcnichols6207
@austinmcnichols6207 10 ай бұрын
Keep the lead balloon pod casts coming!
@rhettaldrich9573
@rhettaldrich9573 10 ай бұрын
I'd like to hear Ryan's opinion on the 375 Winchester and the 307 Winchester for the lead balloon talks
@tims.5995
@tims.5995 9 ай бұрын
I have the Marlin in 375 win ,it drops deer quick.
@cecilguinard7828
@cecilguinard7828 10 ай бұрын
Welcome back ten minute talks we've missed you.
@spotteddogsportinggoods5041
@spotteddogsportinggoods5041 10 ай бұрын
I love the 338 Federal but when Federal discontiuned the 180 grain Accubond, I lost my favorite factory loaded offering. My gun shoots the power shok 200 grain fairly well, but I have also bought some 160 grain ttsx from doubletap. All rounds are fantastic deer and hog killers. I have even dropped big hogs in their tracks at 350 yards. Seems like all the lead ballon cartridges are just the ones that I love. 350 Remington Magnum, 338 RCM, 338 Federal, 325 WSM, all fantastic cartridges.
@LRRPFco52
@LRRPFco52 10 ай бұрын
Where did you first hear about it?
@spotteddogsportinggoods5041
@spotteddogsportinggoods5041 10 ай бұрын
Promotions when the round was first released. I remember they advertised that it had the power of a 7mm Rem Mag.@@LRRPFco52
@karencarroll2571
@karencarroll2571 10 ай бұрын
We all love a Vortex Lead Balloon, Vortex Lead Balloon, Vortex Lead Balloon (sung to the tune of "Yellow Submarine". Good stuff here, men. LOTS of info in the podcast...thx.
@MrMillez
@MrMillez 10 ай бұрын
Another great chat. Please keep the balloon afloat
@andrewboore3899
@andrewboore3899 10 ай бұрын
Please do an episode on the Ruger no.1 action! Amazing content as always!
@southfloridanick
@southfloridanick 10 ай бұрын
I shot a Tikka .338 Federal for years as my primary deer gun, always great performance on game. Regret selling it. I still don't know why i did.
@davebone8326
@davebone8326 10 ай бұрын
Excellent discussion.
@paulmcmullen914
@paulmcmullen914 7 ай бұрын
Fantastic hunting cartridge for those of us who don’t tend to shoot longer distances. I’ve shot elk, deer, kudu, waterbuck, gemsbok, hog, impala, and blesbok. Never had to track an animal. Currently have an 84M and T3X so chambered. The Tikka is done with a custom reamer to incorporate more modern chamber design (6.5 Creed, the PRCs, etc.). Works great!
@jolier1313
@jolier1313 10 ай бұрын
I love when a #10MinuteTalk turns into 40 minute talk. 😂
@fattigla
@fattigla 10 ай бұрын
I was excited to see the notification for the video, then really excited to see it was like 4 videos in one!
@mikekeretzman4757
@mikekeretzman4757 10 ай бұрын
Do more lead balloons. 6.8 western May make that list. I enjoy the 338 Federal and may also go custom.
@gsitzkowitz
@gsitzkowitz 10 ай бұрын
I gotta say I went bananas over the 8.6 BLK until more range data came out. My son-in-law started his AR-10 build based on my enthusiasm! As more data came out I slammed on the brakes hard. The 8.6 in subsonic form has the same abysmal trajectory as the 300 blk. But the rotational speed pulls the cartridge at distances as short as 200 yards. In supersonic form the 338 Federal crushes the 8.6 and within the normal hunting ranges of 300 and under the cartridge is an absolute beast! So my son-in-law built a 338 Federal with an 18” Wilson Combat barrel. I load his ammo which is not any different than loading 308. Still waiting to take some game , I would imagine this is THE hog cartridge of all time!
@user-sj7mf5jn3t
@user-sj7mf5jn3t 10 ай бұрын
Love 338 federal! Load it with Barnes ttsx 185gr. Great accuracy! No need for a tracking dog, that’s for sure! Would love to see it return to popularity!
@spektr540hemi
@spektr540hemi 10 ай бұрын
Absolutely LOVE the 358 Win AND 338 Fed...used to wildcat what eventually became the 338 Fed , and role my own 358Win out of 30-06/270/280...
@user-ti7uj4dq5n
@user-ti7uj4dq5n Ай бұрын
Love my 338 Federal, very accurate and deadly, no complaints
@tylerbeaudoin3310
@tylerbeaudoin3310 10 ай бұрын
This episode reminds me of another lead balloon, the 338 RCM 😢 I never understood what happened there.
@chrishubbs8633
@chrishubbs8633 10 ай бұрын
I use a .338 fed. most of the time while hunting deer and moose. In my area deer and moose seasons overlap, so you can take ether during the deer season. The .338 gives me enough for moose and plenty for deer. I use 200 gr. Nosler Accubonds. It’s not a long range caliber. In northern Ontario your lucky to be able to see 200 yards. Recoil is easy. It has less than my .30-06 using 180gr. Muzzle energy is in the 7mm mag range. I think it’s a very underrated cartridge.
@greggoodman5421
@greggoodman5421 2 ай бұрын
I was really interested in building a 338 Federal upper for my AR but I didn't for one important reason you forgot to mention: terminal performance of .338 caliber bullets. Most. 338 caliber bullets are created for much higher velocity cartridges, and have much higher fps requirements for terminal performance than the 338 Federal can maintain for long. Once I realized that the realistic range of the round is about 400 yards to get desired terminal performance, I decided it wasn't worth it. Hopefully someday the round can be resurrected and someone will make 338 Federal specific bullets.
@richsebens5911
@richsebens5911 2 ай бұрын
I haven’t tried them, but there is an Australian bullet maker that makes them specifically for the 338 Fed.
@HB-kp6rl
@HB-kp6rl 10 ай бұрын
Nicely done gentlemen
@The_Austin_Doell
@The_Austin_Doell 10 ай бұрын
17 Remington Fireball, it's my favorite varmint cartridge by a longshot but it was definitely a lead balloon.
@Cng-ic2oo
@Cng-ic2oo 7 ай бұрын
great discussion ,honestly never heard of this cartridge until moving to northern B.C , seems to be well received by those who use it on game here
@sethlindsey1359
@sethlindsey1359 10 ай бұрын
I would love to have a compact 338 federal with open sights. A lot of my hunting is inside 100 yards and occasionally dealing with angry critters.
@tims.5995
@tims.5995 9 ай бұрын
I just got the Savage Hog Hunter, its a great lil rifle for not a lot of money. Recoil is mild with the heavy barrel and muzzle break.
@jaredfuller1729
@jaredfuller1729 10 ай бұрын
MB doesn't want to admit that his lightweight 300 WSM is what actually injured his shoulder 😂
@atomicwedgie8176
@atomicwedgie8176 10 ай бұрын
Or worse yet... the 6.5 Manbun brought this strapping young man to his knees.
@jaredfuller1729
@jaredfuller1729 10 ай бұрын
@@atomicwedgie8176 don't be hating on the prom king of rifle cartridges!
@VortexNation
@VortexNation 10 ай бұрын
LOL!...I will never admit you are right! I will also not say you are wrong. :) Mark B.
@VortexNation
@VortexNation 10 ай бұрын
LOL! The ultimate insult! Love it! Mark B. @@atomicwedgie8176
@johnrunac3656
@johnrunac3656 10 ай бұрын
Please do a podcast on the 376 steyr. Especially great in the Steyr scout rifle.
@GunWodan
@GunWodan 10 ай бұрын
I'm just in the process of getting a 338Federal barrel to replace the 308win barrel on a hunting Tikka of mine. Originally I wanted to go for a short barrel 8x57Mauser but would have to drop my MDT Short Action Chassis. The 338Federal appears like a very viable short action alternative to the 8x57Mauser in a short barrel rifle for driven hunts. Shooting distances are usually within 80m and you'd want a cartridge that can reliably take down massive wild hogs.
@jamesreeder8917
@jamesreeder8917 10 ай бұрын
I love my 338federal it hammers elk out to 500 yards for me it's a sweetheart of a round.
@janskrotnes6565
@janskrotnes6565 9 ай бұрын
Just a note on the 6.5 swede, here in Scandinavia, we load them to modern pressures, putting it right between creed and prc in performance
@bryanmulcahy8957
@bryanmulcahy8957 10 ай бұрын
I think doing some "cartridge talks" episodes with lead balloon cartridges that would be epic!!!
@jeffreywilson690
@jeffreywilson690 10 ай бұрын
One of my favorites 6mm rem Lead balloon
@austinbrandstatter4005
@austinbrandstatter4005 10 ай бұрын
The 338 Federal always seemed very similar to the 277 Wolverine in the thought process and application. Neck up the parent case to produce better terminal results. Just instead of the 308 case the 277 used a 5.56 case like 300 blackout.
@CustomWeldingandFab
@CustomWeldingandFab 10 ай бұрын
6.8spc was the better “neck up” for the ar15 platform. Still an excellent round. 5.56 case capacity limits it to the 6mm(243) bullets for all around good velocity.
@thomasdaniel6495
@thomasdaniel6495 10 ай бұрын
I think the 338 federal has its place,I even thought about an AR-10 in it for a heavy thumping self defense/hunting round.Note:I live in the country where self defense does not necessarily mean hand shaking distance,and vehicles could be involved.But anyway,as for me,eventhough it's a great round,I prefer the 338/06 because it offers more in a rifle only nominally bigger than the short actions.I will admit that I do love a lot of the old rounds of years gone by,and one of my absolute favorites is the 318 Westley Richards,and the 338/06 is just a more modern form,easily accessible version of it.The old hunters used it to take everything on the African continent,usually using the 250gr. projectiles,whether soft point or solids.The 250 gr 338 bullet moving at speeds of around 2400-2500 fps just penetrate,and the speed offers enough for 250-300 yard shots,which let's be honest,is where most game is shot in the real world.Now,the 338/06 shines with 225-250 gr bullets,the 338 Federal does with lighter bullets,but 185-210 gr 338 pill is still a lot of medicine for most big game on this continent.Ive rambled a lot,but just let me say in closing,why not have it available,I say the more the merrier.I like to handload and play with different rounds,so why not have one.(Of each)!
@coreystock5361
@coreystock5361 10 ай бұрын
Love the lead balloon s.
@thatdallynguy8565
@thatdallynguy8565 10 ай бұрын
The main problem with the 338 federal is that is does nothing that the 8x57 mauser hasn’t done for 100 years
@craigbenz4835
@craigbenz4835 4 ай бұрын
That's why I passed on the 338 Federal.
@TH-AlaskaLife
@TH-AlaskaLife 4 ай бұрын
I know I’m late to this game. But I love my AR-10 I built with a Shilen 18” barrel. Yes, factory ammo is near impossible to find, but I like to roll my own so that doesn’t stop me from hunting with it. Lead balloon suggestion is the 219 zipper. Factory ammo is harder to find than 338 fed, but the round is a screamer. Nothing like unliving yotes from a lever gun at 200yards.
@mattmiller7826
@mattmiller7826 10 ай бұрын
Ryan…you and I have a lot of similar interests when it comes to practicality vs. popularity. I’d love to pick your brain over a few different ideas. This 338 Fed is one of them for me. I was one of the guys that suggested it on your 6arc podcast. This guy in a re-barreled Sig Cross at about 18 inches has been on the top of my priority list. Killer lightweight short range elk gun.
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