Ron and Ryan have a nice ring to it.

I'd donate to this idea

Could be a great podcast!

Yup

I think Ryan and Ron would get along swimmingly

And Mark:). Mark B.

​@Vortex Nation Mark B. is definitely the unsung hero of the podcast. He's like your buddy who always has extra ear and eye pro for whoever forgets. He keeps the wheels on the train turning.

@@VortexNation I do like the podcast best with all 3 of you on it ;)

@@VortexNation 🤣🤣🤣

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yes. I wish there was more 7-08 I'd make the switch from 6.5

Who’s swede? lol jk

Perfectly stated 👍

True but It could lose its place in the near future. I’m seeing more and more 6.5cm and it’s maybe $5 less per box

If cheap is yer criteria, then 22lr is king lol. 6.5 destroys 308 at any real range, if you never take shots past 200 then yea 308 all day but 500+ 6.5 is another league, 308 might as well be flintlock.

No 6.5 cm to be had during pandemic in my parts and an entire shelf full of .308, so I tend to agree.

If you reload 308 can cost more using similar quality components

Stay tuned! 😎

Right!? Definitely would like to see more of these videos. Be cool to see why 25-06 destroys every other "deer" cartridge. Lol

Been looking hard at 6.5cm for awhile and the other new cartridges for a new rifle, and it does seem like the conversation should REALLY be about bullets for sure!

Hear hear, let’s hear it for the venerable 7’s. Unless I’m in coastal brown bear country, then I’m carrying a .338 howitzer.

Good point on the reloaded 7x57. The original 7x57 pressure was 50,307 CUP in the supposedly relatively weak model 93 action. Although according to some that there is no really accurate formula for converting CUP to PSI, using one of the supposed most accurate formulas that translates to 58,458 PSI. In plenty strong actions like my Kar. 98, which is really a medium length action, you can take full advantage of the 7x57's larger case capacity over the 7mm-08. You can get the 7x57 pretty close to 270 Winchester performance with careful hand loads. The same can be said for the 6.5x55 vs the 6.5 Creedmoor. I've got all the cartridge/calibers listed herein and a lot more except the 6.5 Creedmoor. Over the last 50 years I've harvested more deer with my Ruger M77 270 Winchester than anything else. All the rest are just for occasional variety. If I had to get rid of all but one and couldn't hand load I'd stick with the 308 Winchester. Widest selection of bullet weights, common cup and core bullets or premium varieties from many manufacturers priced accordingly and availability. Except for the availability and price issues I'd pick the 7mm-08. Flat shooting, less recoil than the 308. Plenty of inexpensive, synthetic stocked rifles that I hate to admit are amazingly accurate. I'm old and traditional like the cartridge and rifle combinations I like. Happy hunting boys and girls!😊

The reloading manuals state that there are two different factory loadings for the Swede in Europe. Because modern arms are able to tolerate higher pressures, but there are still old rifles around. All the big deal about that Creedmore disappears once you know that. Practicing is difficult when you cannot afford it because of the price. It's all academic when you live and hunt where a three hundred yard shot is exceedingly rare. Act accordingly to your own situation

7 PRC is the answer

@@MrRourk Could be just load for accuracy !

Just get both imo. I agree with you entirely btw. But there’s nothing wrong with having and being proficient in both, and I think that should be everyone’s goal

6.5 is far superior to any 308 honestly except in price!

​@@mylesharvey6488 please explain, be specific

@@Yelladog78 I think it was a typo 6mm ARC

@@traceyevans2757except that’s a 2nd gun 2nd ammo type. And you’re not really gaining much other than more available ammo types. So maybe just go 308 and who cares that it drops a little less and drifts a little more. If you’re dialing and holding for wind. It’s not like you’re making pop shots. It’s not sub 300 blk vs 55g 223 at distance. What difference does it make if you hold 2 mils or 3 mils for wind when you know what you’re holding for your round anyway. So I see why and don’t disagree with both. But with the caveat you’re adding a rifle and cartridge to your arsenal that might be space and capability better used elsewhere. If someone has a 6.5 but no shot gun. Maybe get a 12g instead of a 308. Know what I mean? 9mm, 556, 308/-06/.270/6.5creed/7remmag pick one, 12g. After those 4. Get whatever you want. But I’d say have those 4 first. You can concealed carry fight hunt and survive. After that double down with another bolt gun maybe a magnum, another pistol maybe 45 or 10mm or 357, maybe have a little 22 lr. Build out capabilities. Not collectables.

But the swedes got it right over a century ago

Even for a few years after the 6.5 Creedmoor was introduced I kept seeing articles along the lines of "The Unpopular 6.5'". It took several years for the Creedmoor to get popular for hunting.. It started out as a 1000yard competition cartridge. It was its long range accuracy with inexpensive rifles that got people's attention at first. The 260, although sometimes used in competition, was really thought of as more of a youth and ladies hunting cartridge. Kinda a lesser version of a 308.

Swedes been winning matches and shooting moose with it for over a century try telling them it's a ladies cartridge. Creedmoor is nothing new just fits in a short action and Remington botched 260 just like they did 244 wrong twist

@@paulknopp5694 No one has implied the 6.5x55 was considered a women's cartridge. 6.5's just were not popular in the US until the mid 2010's. Not many seemed to know about the 6.5x55 in the 1960's when I was growing up. Many DID know that the Japanese used a 6.5 in WWII and generally disparaged the cartridge in comparison to the 30-06. The twist on the 260 Rem is OK for 140 grain bullets, so that wasn't really the problem. Being a necked-down 308 meant that it was limited to bullets with a relatively short ogive, at least in a short action. It was mainly considered a low-recoil variant of the 308. A half-step up from a 243 and best for the slight of frame or recoil sensitive. A perfect example is that the outdoors writer Ron Spomer prefers hunting cartridges more powerful than the 308 whereas his wife shoots a 260.

Sorry I misunderstood I'm not trying to cause a fight. I'm very happy that the 65 caliber has become so popular of late because there's a lot better bullet selection than there ever was

If you have a 6.5, the 308 doesn't add much. The 30-06 (or a 270) is an actual step up in power.

​@@texpatriot8462you can literally handload 308 to match 3006 up until like 200 grain bullet weights, then the 3006s greater case capacity has the advantage.

@@chanoleyva8584there is no situation where a .308 can match a 30-06 loaded to equal pressures. It simply has more room for powder. If you said it’s an irrelevant difference at the lighter bullet weights, I’d agree with that.

Jim will be back!

I want ur mom

35 I believe!

Eggzacamundo grasshopper! Lotsa knowledge in the Grey Matter filing themselves accordingly. We would Wish

Yes please!

Frontal area is a very legitimate factor. I love the Swede and feel that it is very capable but as you know the smaller bores are more sensitive to bullet choice, get to the .308 and larger and the average bullet is simply more effective….It becomes a much bigger deal when we get into big bodied deer and larger critters.

Ryan said it a while back…”the hottest 6.5creed loading doesn’t come close to the most standard .270win offering”

Lol I was about to type something similar and thought “someone’s beat me to it I’ll bet.” Same magazine capacity. Able to use a 20” barrel. Lots and lots of projectiles to choose from. Lighter recoil than a 308 and more energy down range than 6.5 Creedmoor. Considerably flatter trajectory than 308. The big downside to 7mm-08 is ammo availability and rifle choices. Sure everyone “makes” their rifles in 7mm-08 but try to find one in a store… there are 5-10 rifles in either 308 or 6.5 CM for every one on the rack in 7mm-08. A few days ago my Cabelas had 11 variations of 270 Winchester, 25+ in 6.5 Creedmoor, and I didn’t count the 308 variants. 1 choice for 7mm-08 and I’d never heard of the manufacturer. I hand load and am about to build a light-ish hunting rifle so neither bothers me.

This.

The 6.5 does not beat the 308 past 300 in retained energy. Honestly not a huge difference in drop and drift either. If you are seeing the 308 fall off at 300 yards significantly you need a different bullet

Gotta go well past 300 before the differences really start adding up.

@@K-bob_45 Exactly, even 6.5 grendel will be able to hit just as far but without that extra oomph. These wildcats are usually designed for long range shooting in design instead of a mixture of lethality and range.

@@K-bob_45 yes 300 is ware the 6.5 and 308 meet and the 6.5 is better accurate and better energy past 300 idk what planet ur on but that's ware the 6.5 pulls ahead. It's facts not opinion

I Just went 308 24. 1/10 twist I'm happy with it so far Wonder about the 6.5 though

@@simonharris4801 be happy with your 308. The real advantage of the creed in my book is the factory ammo. If you compare say 168 gold medal match to 140 hornady match the 6.5 creedmoor is way better probably once you get beyond 600-700 yards. If you start hand loading the performance gap will shrink a lot. You can get a way better bullet and probably pick up 100-150 ft/sec and then the only real disadvantage to the 308 is recoil and that isn’t a big deal unless you are on a timed event.

6.5 is far more forgiving for shots over 800. At most huntimg ranges the 308 is excellent but shooting steel or maybe predators at true long range the 6.5 has a clear edge

168 eldm with a bc of .523 going 2800 fps makes almost 3000 lbs ft of energy at the muzzle, at 1k yards that bullet is still going like 1400 with an energy of 800 lb.ft that beats pretty much Any 6.5 creedmoor load

@@chanoleyva8584 lol

@@jwalesoutlaw3294 6.5 cm is overrated in my opinion

@chanoleyva8584 not for shooting at 1000 yards it's not its why you don't see any 308s competing in PRS

Yes! Maybe thrown in other cartridges. Multiple Projectiles for a variety of species.

Stay tuned! 😏

.308 is superior in ballistics

@@boygonewhoopdataZZ depends on what you are after

@@VortexNation When are you going to make a bow sight for us? 😏

I have a swede and have a dropped elk. I have no issues whatsoever with a 6.5 using a good bullet for anything in North America.

People always think about bullet weight, but I rarely hear people talking about sectional density, which so matters, and the 6.5 has very good sectional density.

Randy said it’s his new pet to play with so it will be interesting to see if the 6.5 PRC becomes his favorite!

Stay tuned 😎

6:56 Read your comment moments before he said it😂 Love this line too

He has a way with words

True that

A buddy of mine packed around a 26" 6.5 on a 10 day remote hunt in pws... by the end of this winter he had the local gunsmith chop it down to 18" like my rifle cause it was unwieldy to pack through willow thickets and up mountains 😆

It’s funny that people get all twisted up about a “long action” that adds, what, 1/2” to length? However, some cartridges really need a 24” or even 26” barrel while the 308 and others can do fine with a 20” or even 18” barrel. Which makes a bigger difference in rifle handiness? This gets even more important when you start talking about suppressors.

I have a cva scout in 6.5 creedmoor. talk about a small compact rifle with a 20 inch barrel. has a youth stock on it also, because winter clothing adds alot and full stock is all messed up with alot layer. but if you dont mind a single shot, it's the way to go to keep barrel length and keep the package small. not haveing 6 to 7 inchs of reciever really shortens every nicely. and that cva scout while not going to win me any matches can consistently keep my shots in a 1.5 inch group all day long, and any thing that does 2.5 groups I consider hunting good. it's most definitely a hunting rifle, worth looking into. and you can reload dang fast if you practice. not much difference in a bolt action. iv gotten off a second shot a few times on deer no problems.

Distance being the factor for me, i shoot a 308. I do not hunt where i would ever have a shot over 250 yards. If i had shots over 400, 500 yards i may very likely reconsider and get a 6.5. I have a .300 win mag if i ever had somewhere with truly big game like elk or moose, but for my sub 250 years whitetail hunting, the .308 is beautiful. I just bought my son a .270 after a long debate between that and the 6.5. I ultimately felt the .270 offered a few advantages.

@@mattkolden TBH, most of the chamberings you’ve listed are too much for the local whitetails. Given the size of the local deer, topography, and proximity of dwellings, something akin to a 30-30 would be more appropriate.

More research coming soon! 👀

A half dozen YT channels (noted in particular earlier in the thread) have done this. As has some other channel done the other particulars on their channel. Be easier to interview each "expert" than start a knew on already established metrics/science.

Bruh the 6.5 need more cant even kill a whitetail less than 300 yards. Too many horror storys that is a target round not a hunting round. Too many fanboys tried to push that round and hype it up, now so many people are losing deer. And no i dont own a .308, i roll with the king of cartridges 7mm rem mag. I back it up with .30-06 springfield.

@kylecomeaux7880 That is an objectively ridiculous statement, considering that 243 Win (a less powerful cartridge) has decades of success against whitetails and that the European continent has seen over a century of very successfully hunting moose and stag with 6.5x55 Swede (which is functionally identical to 6.5CM). Your statements sound more like the result of 6.5CM being the default cartridge of new hunters over the last decade, and too many new hunters don't know what the heck they're doing.

@@gpearce116.5cm is a garbage round. Its made for TARGET shooting, i wont be convinced otherwise. I’ll stick to my tried and true cartridges

find the 6.5 cheaper then 308 here in canada were I am. last trip to the store the prices were 6.5 creedmore $33.99 a box 308 $41.99 a box both were winchester power points.

@@outdoorsythings2573 That can certainly be the case. I only give 308 the budget conscious nob because there's much, much more low-end (read: poor quality) ammo available, and if you're on a really strict budget, that might be the difference between shooting and not (especially for training. It's all well and good to fork out for a box of Precision Hunter for the actual hunt, but that's expensive ammo to practice with). If you reload or stick to decent/good factory ammo, then that point is totally irrelevant.

That's the goal! Glad we could inform and keep things fun and entertaining! Appreciate you tuning in 👊

Shucks! Appreciate you tuning in! Hey to each their own - can't go wrong with the .308!

I would LOVE to see ballistics gel tests at 300 yards. That would help separate the wheat from the chaff both in bullet choices and cartridge choices. Shooting ballistics gel at 10-25 yards isn’t meaningless, but 300 yards would be MUCH more interesting to me.

Simple physics - increasing mass increases the energy less than increasing the speed. Without doing the math, because it's late here and I am lazy, I think a 3.9% increase in speed will increase kinetic energy than the 23% increase in mass. KE= 1/2MV^2 Quick example; Double the mass, but keep the same speed, and you get double the kinetic energy. Double the speed but keep the same mass, and you get 4 times as much energy.

308 for do all or if want a step up from 6.5 because recoil ig 6.5 prc

Yeah, no kidding. People will curse or promote a projectile or chambering based on a single anecdote

I am putting this in the suggestion box immediately!:) Mark B.

I'm in SA and split between which one to get. A mate also just went with his 6.5 and shot everything under the sun with zero take down issues. The idea of walk and stalk plains game hunting would probably lend to a lighter 6.5 setup?

@@SeanZAcz Personally I think that as long as you put it where it needs to be with a bullet that does the job well, you probably won't notice a difference. I've unfortunately not been able to shoot a 6.5 yet, but hopefully soon. In my opinion, choose whichever you can find ammo for as well as a nicer rifle. I prefer the Howa 1500 and put mine into a stock/chassis, so for me the rifle part is sorted. As for ammo, up here in Namibia when I went into the store they had about 10 boxes of 6.5 Creed in total and 8 types of .308 with plenty of stock... so I went with the .308 - every time I'm in the store, there's plenty of ammo available. As per rifle setup, honestly I think you'd be just fine with a lightweight .308 or 6.5 just the same. I don't know if I'd notice the recoil difference. Personally, my choice would come down to what I have - if I have something smaller like a 6mm, I'd go .308, if I have something bigger like a .30-06 or .300 Mag, I'd go 6.5. Just to create a little bit more diversity between the choices. Don't be too troubled by it, you'll enjoy either. Lekker skiet!

Stay tuned Josh 😎

do they ? I'm going to have to look into that. sounds perfect for what I use my 6.5 for.