Matt said on his show that he demanded there be a vote on who won the debate. MATT WON
@gowdsake71035 жыл бұрын
wasnt even close Matt walked all over him
@resultsocialmedia5 жыл бұрын
Notice how Eric kept making these nonsensical aha statements. And he kept trying to shift the burden of proof.
@joshuapeek95554 жыл бұрын
eric demanded the vote. not matt.
@twoguystalkingboxing6563 жыл бұрын
I thought that was that guu
@twoguystalkingboxing6563 жыл бұрын
Actually Matt did at the end of the call but he was being sarcastic
@Xhyllos110 жыл бұрын
Matt: How do you know if a person tells the truth? Eric: Well you evaluate evidence. You are acting foolish if you believe anything without evidence. Matt: Ok so why should we believe Paul? Eric: Well, he was a competent person, and um.... his life changed... and um..... well if God is real, then his story makes sense! *facepalm*
@AKtifosi10 жыл бұрын
pretty ironic coming from an apologist, that part just took the shit out of my pants.
@ibn_klingschor10 жыл бұрын
***** 1:9:34
@psalmsurfer110 жыл бұрын
A better argument for believing Paul would be the fact that he never knew Christ because he was crucified some 20+ years prior; thus had no "observable" evidence of such a man existing per se; that being said, the vision and conversion experience MUST account for Paul's extensive and thorough theological prowess which of course, was infused knowledge via the Holy Spirit; I myself have experienced something similar..Paul knew Jewish customs inside and out, being a Jew himself, albeit a Roman citizen of Tarsus..No one expounded on Christ's teachings and had revelation like Paul, not even his predecessor Gospel writers except maybe St.John or Peter--scholars say the Letter to the Romans is such a theological masterpiece that it is said it has converted atheists by the thousands..and that is just one letter..Paul's letters take up 1/2 the New Testament..that should tell you something, but not only the quantitative factor, but it is what is contained in those letters is why we should believe Paul...what he spoke was prophetic and only prophets received the supernatural grace of infused revelation in the Old Testament..ie Ezekiel Isaiah, Jeremiah etc.. Recall Paul and Peter in Acts: "And this teaching has been given me, not from men, nor through men, but through Jesus Christ, who spoke to me out of heaven, who also has sent me to preach, saying to me, Go forth, for I will be with you; and all things, as many as you shall say or do, I shall make just. Nero said: What do you say, Peter? He answered and said: All that Paul has said is true. For when he was a persecutor of the faith of Christ, a voice called him out of heaven, and taught him the truth; for he was not an adversary of our faith from hatred, but from ignorance. For there were before us false Christs, like Simon, false apostles, and false prophets, who, contrary to the sacred writings, set themselves to make void the truth; and against these it was necessary to have in readiness this man, who from his youth up set himself to no other thing than to search out the mysteries of the divine law, by which he might become a vindicator of truth and a persecutor of falsehood. Since, then, his persecution was not on account of hatred, but on account of the vindication of the law, the very truth out of heaven held intercourse with him, saying, I am the truth which you persecutest; cease persecuting me. When, therefore, he knew that this was so, leaving off that which he was vindicating, he began to vindicate this way of Christ which he was persecuting." Swallow and dissect these words and discern their significance to Matt's Paul question...
@psalmsurfer110 жыл бұрын
InZanyty101 Haha..did you even read the comment or just briefly glance it over and think you'd actually formulate an educated rebuttal? Pathetic atheists begone from my sight.
@psalmsurfer110 жыл бұрын
InZanyty101 I'm waiting for your rebuttal, can't wait to hear it...
@razielhamalakh98139 жыл бұрын
I love how Eric says "Matt, you said I use argument from ignorance, but I don't!" in his rebuttal, and then proceeds to make multiple points like "How would you explain X without God?" That's beyond pathetic.
@rstevewarmorycom5 жыл бұрын
He doesn't even know what a Arg from Ign means!! He just think he's being insulted.
@vladtepes96142 жыл бұрын
He's basically saying "If you can't give me a theory of everything, then I'll stick with what I believe". They use our ignorance as evidence for their god.
@AbleAnderson2 жыл бұрын
He's one of the worst I've seen. What makes it even worse is he seems to be very proud of his arguments; it's disturbing
@Kitties_are_pretty8 жыл бұрын
Holy shit I can't believe this guy tried to taunt Matt Dillahunty into a debate. He has confidence where his shame should be.
@yanasto8 жыл бұрын
Bertrand Russell said, "The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt."
@crocdoc28 жыл бұрын
Dunning-Kruger gave that syndrome a name. :)
@iamme65818 жыл бұрын
+Arianna Stone (Fenton) very interesting statement
@JacquesScholtz7 жыл бұрын
I feel cheated that I can only thumbs up this once.
@strandfpvfilms23757 жыл бұрын
And the uneducated outbreed the enlightened presenting countries that are dumbing themselves down. Oh crap we are there.
@DJBremen9 жыл бұрын
Ok, I'm gonna go ahead and say Eric lost.
@velociraptor9389 жыл бұрын
RE:Think I think that if we listened to all of Eric's inane ramblings then we all lost...
@orionred24899 жыл бұрын
RE:Think That's a bold strategy
@AllHaiLKINGTIsHeRe38 жыл бұрын
+RE:Think Haha, I think I'm the only one that got your joke (that Eric says "gonna go ahead" every 5 seconds).
@DJBremen8 жыл бұрын
AllHaiLKINGTIsHeRe3 Im gonna go ahead with going ahead with saying youre right.
@ringo6668 жыл бұрын
+RE:Think -- I'd be REAL surprised if everyone EXCEPT Eric didn't agree with you. What he calls "evidence" is nothing more than assertions of logical hypotheses; what he calls rational is mentally disturbed. He could have done this debate ALONE and lost....
@r2thebeach3239 жыл бұрын
When Eric was on the Atheist Experience he said he wanted a vote if he debated Matt basically because he wanted to stroke his ego... Well Eric if we take a poll of the comments below you got trounced. Still think you can beat Matt in a debate? Not that it matters, I just find it laughable. Eric presented no evidence, just a bunch of unfounded assertions, and word twisting BS.
@D-me-dream-smp3 жыл бұрын
Simply based on the “arguments” he presented on the Atheist Experience the consensus of scientists agreed that Eric does not understand how logical arguments work.
@Fireholder17 жыл бұрын
"It's true because the bible says it's true." ~ Every Christian Apologist, Ever
@westingtyler17 жыл бұрын
it's true because of the EVIDENCE........in the bible.
@EvilToaster777 жыл бұрын
Gotta love that circular reasoning of using the claim to prove the claim!
@WilbertLek7 жыл бұрын
+westingtyler Took me a minute, but I see what you did there... =D
@blixx89314 жыл бұрын
Sorry i was a Christian and use to sound like an asshole
@jaalkvartir69093 жыл бұрын
....but how do you know what reality is....... Can you measure love on a scale......exactly
@rossta39495 жыл бұрын
When Matt asked, "What will change your mind?" Eric says,"Nothing." That was the nail in the coffin, if you aren't willing to admit you are wrong when faced with evidence, you're not capable making sound arguments, or evaluate evidence.
@thickerconstrictor90374 жыл бұрын
Anytime I get asked to talk about God with my friends or family or anyone, this is one of the first questions I ask. I asked what would it take to show that you were wrong or something along those lines. Could you be wrong? Or if you were presented with enough evidence or information came out in the future that showed that the Bible was false or a scam or whatever. if they say there is no possible way they could be wrong or anything along those lines I thank them and I end the conversation there. Because if you are of the mindset that there's nothing that could change your mind no matter what then there is no point in talking to you. And it's so funny watching them get upset and butt hurt when I do that
@jerrylong6238Ай бұрын
Right, that sounds just like Kent, and Eric Hovind or Ray Comfort level of intelligence all three of them said the same thing. That shows closed mindedness.
@ianyboo10 жыл бұрын
Eric Lounsbery talked about there being evidence for his god throughout the entire debate but never bothered to actually present any. Interesting strategy.
@mcbeaumarchais765010 жыл бұрын
He also seems unfamiliar with the meaning of "argument" - let alone the meaning of "premise".
@illusion_of_your_delusion5 жыл бұрын
Yes he is under the delusion that HERESAY from a really old mostly fictional book is actual evidence! smh Seethe thing is once a "Christian" is stripped of their holy book they no longer have anything to defend their belief! There are no external evidences of their claims
@MoxxMix4 жыл бұрын
Nothing interesting, and centerly no strategy.
@JayMaverick4 жыл бұрын
Nah, his "evidence" is that you already know that god exists. The same old I am rubber you are glue sort of argumentation.
@johnlopperman21614 жыл бұрын
Eric Can't spend money in an empty pocket.
@weaseldragon9 жыл бұрын
Matt was smart enough to let Eric talk. Eric's every word just exemplified idiotic circular reasoning and arguments from personal incredulity.
@oliverrr11287 жыл бұрын
Matt won this hand down. 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
@thickerconstrictor90374 жыл бұрын
I don't look at these debates as a win loss. Because you can have people like William Lane Craig who are excellent debaters and even though they don't prove their point and they just use a bunch of fallacies, no matter what they talk about they are just good at debating. Matt definitely got the best of this guy and this guy was definitely shooting for some one way out of his league but I don't watch these four wins or losses because even though I am an atheist I've seen atheist that have trampled over people but didn't have good points. The other person was just not a good debater. but Matt is very logical and he makes stuff easy to understand and he points out the flaws in people's arguments. And the problem with defending theism is if you were starting just to try and find evidence and follow it where it leads, you're not going to end up at God. you have two already assumed that a God exists in most cases to believe it. Because the evidence just doesn't point to a god. that's the reason that most of the best apologists around the world, are constantly using argument from ignorance fallacies or trying to use shit like the Kalam,that doesn't lead to a god, to prove their point. if you start off with the assumption that a God exists and then you try and twist everything to fit that, then you're going to have a reason to believe. But in most cases if you don't do that, you're not going to justify belief. I don't care about Wins or losses when watching debates. But Matt definitely had the better position of the two and better arguments
@Boomer22z4 жыл бұрын
Matt may have won but he did a terrible job! He didn’t explain anything, he let the Christian get away with murder. The goal is to make the audience understand both that you are making logical points and that the opposition is not. You do this by deconstructing the oppositions points which Matt didn’t even take the time to do.
@jasonspades56283 жыл бұрын
@@Boomer22z Okay boomer....wait...
@petermirtitsch12353 жыл бұрын
@@Boomer22z Matt tore him a new one, sitting on both hands, phoning it in.
@apocalypsed82 жыл бұрын
Yeah he did but I must say that he def got sharper in recent years and got better at exposing the other's argument. I would have liked him to combine the 2 answers the Christian gave to Matt's questions. How can a God simultaniously give sufficent evidence for his existence AND know the outcome of the universe and everything in it beforehand. That means he was aware that someone like Matt was not gonna be convinced by the evidence he gave and still chose to give the evidence that wouldnt convince him. The two ansers contradict each other completely
@taurak849 жыл бұрын
Eric Lounsbery entire argument comes down to "Prove to me that I am wrong. Go ahead just try it. I am right and there is no proof you can show me that Christianity is inaccurate. If you do make a valid point I will move the goal posts. You can't prove me wrong can you?"
@TheZooCrew9 жыл бұрын
Eric also admits that nothing will ever change his mind, so it gets worse.
@lilith_speaks_out5 жыл бұрын
And after acknowledging several times that the burden of proof rested with him.
@BkDelta10 жыл бұрын
Eric lost this debate, hands down
@jdarmin3 ай бұрын
to be completely fair, so did your mom
@Tonyblack2617 жыл бұрын
Eric is so butt hurt. He was butt hurt when he phoned into the Atheist Experience and he's butt hurt now.
@candeffect6 жыл бұрын
Atheism makes vile atheists.
@jimmorgan86886 жыл бұрын
CauseAndEffect More butthurt 😢 You'll be ok... You'll be ok.
@stevencorey76236 жыл бұрын
Tony Blackwell lol that’s right! He did call in! Lol The whole time I listened I thought he sounded similar to a caller on the show!! Lol wow
@bigwitt1876 жыл бұрын
kzfaq.info/get/bejne/nqqBatl0l6qap58.html I came here from there, figured I'd link it if you wanted to compare.
@johncriscione42986 жыл бұрын
Shit I was wondering if Eric was the same guy that called into AE.
@justinbarriault25239 жыл бұрын
Matt was extremely polite and did a great job answering all of Eric's questions directly... Eric was the exact opposite. He made unproven assertions and demanded Matt to prove him wrong. His entire side was an argument from ignorance. The questioning period was painful. Eric yelled over Matt and wasted a lot of his time preaching. He also didn't answer questions directly, tip-toed around them and even tried to ask Matt questions at points. Matt answered every one of Eric's questions respectfully and let Eric use all his time. Eric also had no clear answer to why his god is more plausible than any other. Matt is a clear winner.
@samhhaincat270310 ай бұрын
It doesn't matter to me who won, it's how people conduct themselves. Eric is an arrogant prick deliberately misunderstanding Dr. Krauss's words because he doesn't have enough science education to understand what he's hearing. A detestable human.
@clash792 жыл бұрын
This video could also be called “How to Recognize a Narcissist”. Eric’s ego is such that, no matter how poorly thought out his argument is, in his mind he is always correct
@iansavage16667 ай бұрын
His appearance on Atheist Experience underlines that. He was SO full of himself, and SO certain that he was so much better than other theists, that he genuinely believed (and boasted) that he would beat Matt hands down in a debate. Then he turns up here, and fails spectacularly. What a dick
@DarkMatter252510 жыл бұрын
I'm currently at 8:51 in the debate and it did not escape me that the theist confused Krauss' statement "...the *visible* universe had a beginning..." with his premise that the universe had a beginning. Scientists are precise with their language for a reason, and much harm can be done by the layman butcher.
@joshbreidinger26165 жыл бұрын
Reminds me of how Sam Harris constantly gets misrepresented for the same reason. Scientists, and smart people, are very, very specific with their language, and idiots twist their words so they can strawman them rather than actually addressing their actual views.
@D-me-dream-smp3 жыл бұрын
I’ve found that theists will often depend upon twisting and manipulating word definitions as well as pretending to invoke the scientific method whilst at the same time misrepresenting the actual science. Another common tactic is to claim they know what the other person’s position is. Apologetics is based upon interpretation of ancient texts which have gone through multiple iterations and then been then translated yet they will use the language in it to try and prove their point. They will say they are using logic but then use faulty premises to try and make their point.
@DocBree133 жыл бұрын
A B I’m not convinced the misrepresentations are always or even usually made on purpose. I think it’s a failure of critical thinking skills and even just cognition in many cases.
@DocBree133 жыл бұрын
Masha Spikego Eric Hovind is a master of playing such word games to try to “catch” atheists “revealing” that they are actually theists or deists.
@TheRaven_200 Жыл бұрын
Yo, what up DarkMatter?
@temporaryscars10 жыл бұрын
Eric was AWFUL.
@MrGrahamSkelly10 жыл бұрын
I disagree with Eric, and I have heard all of his arguments before, but I actually think he presented himself rather well, I don't think he is a full time professional debater so I will excuse when he stuttered a little more then those that are more comfortable talking in front of people. he also seemed respectful during most of the debate I have heard so far.
@davids1113111310 жыл бұрын
Graham Skelly That's true, at least Eric was relatively well behaved here, I've seen him in his 'complete jackass' mode before too.
@brandonwillis84307 жыл бұрын
Graham Skelly I COMPLETELY disagree. First of all he says that in order to debate we all must accept several premises that he does not prove in any way whatsoever. That's not an honest person trying to have an honest debate. An honest person trying to have an honest debate would NOT require ANYONE to accept ANY premises without proving them as part of the debate. Also, this guy is SO frustrating. He's literally purposely playing games and playing semantics. His ENTIRE and ONLY argument is: "Matt can't prove me wrong so that means that I am right." That is the same as me saying that unless you can prove that Unicorns do NOT exist then that MUST mean that they do exist. You cannot prove a negative because for all we know Unicorns exist on some far off planet that we've yet to discover. This argument and way of debating is not only ignorant, immature, rude, frustrating, and absurd but it is also VERY disrespectful of the audience because you are assuming the audience is dumb enough to fall for your games, manipulations, and straight up lying bullshit.
@brandonwillis84307 жыл бұрын
davids11131113 so in conclusion no he did NOT handle himself well at ALL. I didn't even mention that he personally insulted atheists by name calling which is akin to what children bullies do. And the fact that he talked about archaic societal expectations of the genders barbarically. Men can care about their children and women can be the leader which is the opposite of what he says about men and women.
@TwippyTwilight8 жыл бұрын
The Ego of Eric on the Atheist Experience was so offensive, I was glad that Matt debated him.
@ericjustasinner56958 жыл бұрын
who is Eric I don't know about him?????
@T2revell6 жыл бұрын
He has clearly watched way to many WLC debates and taken his ego and built it Up based off that lol
@cs5174 жыл бұрын
I think both are morons one believe in nothing else and the other one atheist of nothing I am with the forbidden knowledge key of wisdom not to argue with any human..
@stevenfertal61324 жыл бұрын
cs 51 I tried to derive meaning from your poorly written comment and could find hardly any (I get that English may not be your first language) but right off the bat “one believe in nothing else” nothing else what? What is the one thing they believe? And then “atheist of nothing” so according to that the other believes in everything? Both of those statements of yours are, first off, completely nonsensical and secondly, are impossible. I normally don’t comment much but I had to get that out because trying to comprehend your incoherent jibberish gave me a headache and made me question not only my sanity, but reality as well.
@TheSands834 жыл бұрын
cs 51 u need help
@gskowal8 жыл бұрын
Thor gives Eric internal testimony everyday yet he suppresses the knowledge all the time. Eric why are you denying Thor's existence?
@andthewallscametumblingdow24518 жыл бұрын
See, this would have been the end of the debate for me. As soon as you demonstrate yourself to be so deluded, arrogant, and condescending as to think you can leap into someone else's head and pretend to know their positions and motivations better than they do, any useful dialogue has gone completely out the window.
@davidburroughs70687 жыл бұрын
I understand your displeasure, perhaps with the ease with which we on Facebook and the internet can troll one another, but I was also disappointed with Mr L's barely veiled suggestion all atheists are liars who deny their sure and certain god given internal knowledge of the existence of a deity. That, too, is insulting and presumptuous.
@Jordanmode6 жыл бұрын
Maxx Kroes Hahaha!
@launabanauna89584 жыл бұрын
Maxx Kroes Hahahaha! Brilliant!
@whynottalklikeapirat4 жыл бұрын
I think Thor gives him intestinal disharmony every day ...
@mjSnap8 жыл бұрын
Nothing worse than willful ignorance. Eric, I'm talking to you.
@chrisa23518 жыл бұрын
During the cross examination, when Matt was asking Eric questions, Eric didn't shut the hell up and talked Matt's time out entirely. Then Eric started asking Matt questions, but whenever Matt would even attempt to respond, Eric would talk over him and ask another question. Totally absolutely ridicules questions trying to shift the burden of proof, and he would talk over Matt and not even give him a chance to respond. Unbelievable! Matt literally never got to fully respond to a single question. Everything Eric based his arguments off of ASSUMES that the Bible is 100% true. Not a single bit of evidence was presented by Eric that the Bible even has the slightest bit of truth to begin with. ALL Eric did was try to shift the burden of proof, dodge questions, and talk over Matt. I don't care whether you are theist or atheist, Eric is loud mouth embarrassment in this debate. I don't know how Matt kept his cool.
@ringo6667 жыл бұрын
Lounsbery has always had terminal verbal diarrhea. Eight thousand words a minute, says not a damned thing. PLUS, he's a liar.
@richpack59277 жыл бұрын
Chris A Eric made him look stupid. it didn't take much.
@WilbertLek7 жыл бұрын
" I don't know how Matt kept his cool." He's used to morons... He has a live show where they call in all the time, you know... ;-)
@thereddbone426 жыл бұрын
Matt is cooler than the other side of the pillow. Eric seems desperate and not informative at all. He's very much in over his head with debating Matt.
@gowdsake71035 жыл бұрын
Really Rich are you that fucking stupid ?
@kenwalter38927 жыл бұрын
Premise 1) God exists Premise 2) If he does he can do anything. Premise 3) God did everything Premise 4) I win
@johnnyblack44 жыл бұрын
Premise 5) You're an idiot
@joelalexander53384 жыл бұрын
Johann Swart Are you disagreeing with Ken, or agreeing with him and just adding a final premise for Eric’s logic? Your comment can be taken two different ways.
@AGNOSTIC_incomprehensibleXIV3 жыл бұрын
@Ken Walter Lol.
@crocdoc28 жыл бұрын
I listened to the Atheist Experience episode in which Eric called in and said that if he had a formal debate with Matt, Matt would walk away knowing that Eric 'won'. Not that I am surprised (especially given his 'something from nothing' premise in that call), but he got the debate he wanted and all he did was prove that he hasn't a single original and/or viable argument. He talked about 'evidence', yet all of his 'evidence' requires a presuppositional belief and amounts to 'I believe the bible is true so I think it is evidence'.
@dmsexton88810 жыл бұрын
Matt's opening remarks should be the first chapter of a book that HE REALLY SHOULD WRITE.
@T2revell6 жыл бұрын
The Epirical Sexton agreed.. hat was a damn good opening
@Raumsounds6 жыл бұрын
He’s currently writing a book titled “If I Was God”.
@thcknast8 жыл бұрын
Matt: What would change your mind? Eric: Nothing. ...and there you have it
@whynottalklikeapirat4 жыл бұрын
If he'd said "a universe from nothing" he might have at least come across borderline reasonable.
@PaperPlateClorox5 жыл бұрын
That Eric dude is hella dishonest
@bobobandy93824 ай бұрын
They all have to be. They all lie to children.
@johnhensley68083 ай бұрын
Isn't that a core value of any religious tru believer..that and lack of self awareness, specifically when attempting to defend their beliefs..
@jwscheuerman5 жыл бұрын
Eric "Vehemenently" Lounsbery lost this debate. He got trounced "vehemenently".
@emerickscott10 жыл бұрын
Somehow Eric seems to think he can talk the entire time Matt is trying to ask questions, repeating himself over and over saying nothing - and Matt then doesn't even get to actually answer anything Eric is asking unless Eric likes the way that he is leading Matt's answers.
@TheReddaredevil22310 жыл бұрын
Im gonna go ahead and go ahead of going ahead to go to matt's head and say that matt went ahead and won this debate.
@chunkyfudgelover10 жыл бұрын
I read your comment before watching the video and I assumed Eric used these words to an hilarious extent but jaysus, it went from funny to absurd to straight-up maddening to listen to!
@TheReddaredevil22310 жыл бұрын
Conor de Buitléar I'm glad I prepared you for "The Hurricane"
@matthewlindgren214110 жыл бұрын
TheReddaredevil223 hEricane
@BaronVonQuiply10 жыл бұрын
I've also got the tune "Rock You Like an Error-cane" stuck in my head.
@MrMattSax4 жыл бұрын
Oh man it’s Eric! He got his debate! He’s the “here’s my premise that you couldn’t possibly disagree with, do you accept it?” “No” “okay since you accept that premise here’s my next one”. Man, he must be so pissed that he lost this debate so badly, he had so much hubris!
@johnnybickle132 жыл бұрын
I cannot believe Matt actually debated him after he so blatantly showed how dishonest and shifty his tactics were.
@starfishsystems Жыл бұрын
Those dishonest kinds of arguments are just as easily pointed out as the innocently flawed ones. That's one of the interesting and valuable qualities of rational analysis, when you come to think of it. It really doesn't matter to the soundness of an argument what the character of its proponent might be. The argument stands or falls entirely on its own merits.
@johnnybickle13 Жыл бұрын
@@starfishsystems No, you misunderstand me. Its not the argument and its soundness, or lack of in this specific situation. It's that Matt was not going to debate him after he showed how he was not a good faith interlocutor, dishonest and a waste of time. Nothing to do with the argument itself and how it would stand up. It was that Eric didnt deserve the platform to present any argument after his performance on the show.
@ZackTheBongRipper10 жыл бұрын
Matt annihilated him.
@DarkMatter252510 жыл бұрын
Currently at 10:15 and again the theist misunderstands Krauss. The universe is everything that exists. The multiverse didn't create everything that exists. It's a new way of labeling everything that exists, simply taking into account the previous label "universe" (observable universe) regarding our spacetime expansion. It's like when the Milky Way galaxy was thought to be the entire universe just a century ago, and this theist's argument would be "Krauss thinks the universe created the Milky Way, and I think it's God". No.
@Xentrick10 жыл бұрын
It's that argument from ignorance/incredulity, again! There is this concept of the circumference of ignorance. As our circle of knowledge expands the more questions, the more mystery arises and thus our circle of light is in contact with a larger circumference of the dark, of the mystery, of our ignorance. The only way for theists to survive the shrinking god of the gaps is to leap into the crack between the circle of knowledge and the circumference of ignorance. When science discovers a new frontier of possibility such as multiple dimensions, quantum mechanics or in this case the multi-verse, believers, new agers and the woo woo community latch on to the mystery. They seem to think "finally, science has caught up to the possibility that there is space in this universe for my supernatural worldview." As if "science has finally caught up with theology." They dive into the fringe of the new frontier and co-opt it into their world view. Using something like Krauss explaining that 'nothing' is inherently unstable brings up new questions and that is seen as an opportunity to anchor the god hypothesis to the new mystery. If believers/supernaturalists would just accept that god is a metaphorical place holder for the unknown they could accept that science is the process of exploring the mystery and discovering the truth. Then we could get on with humanity's greatest journey of exploration rather than holding us back. (BTW DarkMatter your vids rock the house).
@Mrhaoable10 жыл бұрын
Xentric Great explanation ! Yeah "science seems to be catching up to theology " is the funniest thing he said .
@bradgrady749710 жыл бұрын
About labeling. Because of the ambiguity of the word 'God' the atheist might poke a little fun at the theist by saying, 'for all we know, a pixie created the universe'. Then the theist might say, 'well, then you're just calling God by another name'. But, the atheist could simply say, 'well, then you're just calling the universe by another name'. Just goes to show we're still stuck 'not knowing' and the theists are complicating matters. How much more time will we have to waste arguing with theists?
@ParkerFriedChicken10 жыл бұрын
***** I don't know, man. The only justification I can think of about arguing about theism is that it might result in a paradigm shift in the common understanding of standards of evidence and rationality. Hopefully, that will result in some sort of progress that benefits the human race.
@bradgrady749710 жыл бұрын
ParkerFriedChicken I think you make a good point. But I think it already has as shown in the Enlightenment. But, we're responsible to keep it going. So, I guess you're right. We need to keep on arguing.
@dannyberinger46348 жыл бұрын
If Lawrence Krauss heard Eric using him as a reference, he would have a stroke
@gusbelanger58179 жыл бұрын
Eric should totally go ahead and go ahead, and while he's going ahead he should go ahead and go ahead, afterwards he should go ahead and just go ahead and go ahead (while making sure he goes ahead of course)...
@nagavamsip5 жыл бұрын
But before he does go ahead, make sure he goes ahead and actually goes ahead first.
@rekunta4 жыл бұрын
Did he go ahead or have to wait to go ahead to finally go ahead?
@JayMaverick4 жыл бұрын
I'm sure you would agree.
@TheBirdGardenNB3 жыл бұрын
It’d be too painful to listen to again but at one point he said, “let’s go ahead and go back”
@thickerconstrictor90372 жыл бұрын
Someone say head?
@kalin199310 жыл бұрын
This all comes down to that easy question Matt asked eric in his cross-exam section, "What would change your mind?" and Eric simply replied "Nothing." at that point the debate is pointless going forward as Matt operates on evidence and Eric demonstrably does not and, via his answer, is not willing to start doing so. The debate ended there for me. It's just stupid how Matt points out every fallacy, every irrationality and more in all of Eric's questions and yet Eric seems completely oblivious to that even happening. He is an ignorant religious person, much like many other religious people (regardless of their religion).
@teecee342810 жыл бұрын
Eric still doesn't know what evidence is.
@TheGreatAlan757 жыл бұрын
this guy did not present anything other than scripture, personal revelation, and intuition, and the god of the gaps.
@Mr.BooBoo269 жыл бұрын
Eric Lounsbery never gave any evidence. premise is not evidence
@n.presley9179 жыл бұрын
A Critical Essence Tech USA exactly. massive waste of Matt's time.
@jasonmathias53439 жыл бұрын
A Critical Essence Tech USA Its almost like evangelicals try and conduct a performance instead of evidence and the greater their performance the more likely god exists. lol
@schmolywar9 жыл бұрын
jason mathias Pathos and appeal to emotion is their strongest tool.
@D-me-dream-smp3 жыл бұрын
I’m going to go ahead and say Eric does not understand what evidence is and that the consensus of scientists is that Eric is wrong.
@Beckah8210 жыл бұрын
Why on earth is Eric basing his evidence of God upon the Bible, as if the Bible is a collection of proven facts?
@shanespivey826110 жыл бұрын
Some people don't realize the Bible is the claim, not the evidence. The claim cannot also be the evidence for itself. Seems simple enough, and yet...
@gowdsake71035 жыл бұрын
Circular argument !
@kentonbaird17234 жыл бұрын
Because it's all he has.
@thickerconstrictor90374 жыл бұрын
because Christians presuppose that the Bible is the word of God and is perfect. You have to start with the conclusion that the Bible is correct and that everything in it should be believed and to him when he quotes it it's the same as people showing genetic evidence for this or that. He looks at it like reading from the Bible is evidence. Because he assumes that the Bible is true from the get-go. But the problem is he just continues to provide more and more claims he doesn't actually provide evidence for the claims. And that's why he got his ass handed to him so bad. I mean this was really really really bad for him. He did not do a good job at all.
@ARoll9253 жыл бұрын
That's all he has?, Clearly reality has nothing to offer as far evidence for such a ridiculous position
@KalimaShaktide9 жыл бұрын
Eric does not understand the meaning of the word "Demonstrate". He thinks he demonstrated his points, he did not and he knows it
@secularargument3 жыл бұрын
How can he think he did, yet KNOW he didn’t?
@AGNOSTIC_incomprehensibleXIV3 жыл бұрын
@@secularargument As much as "agnostic-atheists" obsess over separating knowledge from belief, it's clear many of them don't understand stand that all knowledge is belief. Just look at how many thumbs up this comment got. SMH... Even Dillahunty himself, despite peddling the esoteric "agnostic-atheist,gnostic-atheist,agnostic-theist,gnostic-theist" terminology set regularly states that knowledge is a type of belief as opposed to something completely separate. I don't comprehend how so many of these 'agnostic-atheist' people conveniently miss that.
@darthbass70384 жыл бұрын
Vote: Matt won. Hard. Poor poor Eric.
@cynicaloldgit71775 жыл бұрын
Eric Lounsbery...another example of the Dunning-Kruger effect.
@CollapseSurvivalSite10 жыл бұрын
One of the most embarrassing moments for Eric was when he couldn't explain why we should believe one person's account of an angel over another's. He plainly admitted that you shouldn't believe such a thing without evidence... unless we're talking about Paul, apparently.
@wolvenreign787110 жыл бұрын
I must admit I have yet to watch the whole thing. Might you have the time stamp for that?
@CollapseSurvivalSite10 жыл бұрын
That part of the conversation begins at 1:07:42 . At 01:09:35 Eric asks, "why would you believe anything without evidence?" So ironic.
@wolvenreign787110 жыл бұрын
Alright, thanks.
@TheZooCrew10 жыл бұрын
As someone familiar with Eric Lounsbery, this "debate" is unsurprising. Eric doesn't know his ass from his elbow at any point. He starts with the worst possible conflation of classical physics with quantum physics and goes downhill from there. As shown from his calls into AXP, he's a pathological liar. I'm glad David had this discussion on the air. Most of the time, Dogma Debate allows apologists to lie their asses off without rebuttal.
@Redpill-lv4it2 жыл бұрын
I paid a guy to shit in my mouth last month. He stole my wallet too. I liked the first part, not the last part.
@w0t_m818 Жыл бұрын
@@Redpill-lv4it you liked it? User name checks out then.
@IRGeamer11 ай бұрын
@@Redpill-lv4it “If you can’t beat them with brilliance, baffle their brains with BS.” - BS artists/religious apologists/trump magats/anti-vaxers/gender critical science deniers/conspiracy theorists/poutine shills/brexiters/sovereign citizens/fear mongers/neo-nazis/sociopathic red pilled trolls all over the world
@ThomasSoles7 жыл бұрын
If Eric's constant, "let's go ahead..." were edited out - this video would be an hour shorter.
@michaelr56064 жыл бұрын
Late to the vote but here it is. MATT WON!!!! I find it hilarious thinking back to the Kramer analogy Eric used in TAE when he was challenging Matt. Eric you were severely outmatched.
@notlisztening982110 ай бұрын
Wanna know how to sound less like a bot running on minimum processing power? Never write "XY won" or "YX lost" under a debate. Show the minimum amount of intellect and say "I think this argument was great/inadequate"
@MoonPresence-fg8dn10 ай бұрын
@@notlisztening9821 🤓
@gwf121310 жыл бұрын
I am gonna go ahead and say, and I think that Matt will agree Eric doesnt have a good concept of what evidence is.
@snowboredsnj7 жыл бұрын
I love the "i think you'll agree..." parts.
@TheAndnor5 жыл бұрын
I watched nearly all of this. I felt like I needed a pillow to scream into every time Eric spoke...
@Emchisti4 жыл бұрын
I'm just gonna go ahead and do this: Matt won.
@JosephNordenbrockartistraction10 жыл бұрын
Matt (like the late Christopher Hitchens) is a very busy man. Another champion that studied both bibles in depth who has also studied history.
@universalatheism65509 жыл бұрын
Matt - "What would change your mind about god" Eric - "Nothing" Typical Christian response. Eric isn't interested in the truth if nothing, including evidence would change his mind. Because of that response this debate is pointless.
@needlehead1469 жыл бұрын
UniversalAtheism This is exactly why people shouldn't bothering debating people like Eric, Ken Ham, Sye Ten, etc. They don't care for truth at all and when it comes down to it, will deny the existence of reality rather than God. It's quite sad, to be honest.
@lmbaseball158 жыл бұрын
That's why Matt debates to change other minds not his opponents
@gregh74007 жыл бұрын
Eric seems angry, like most Christians who have to defend the ridiculous.
@translucentorb2 жыл бұрын
It’s because he’s the physical manifestation of dunning Krueger
@twitchic17539 жыл бұрын
Eric read a script in his opening, then his rebuttal was him grasping everything that comes into his head from preaching, to arguing from authority, argument from special pleading, knows just enough about science to cut and paste into his religious worldview.
@unholycheeseburger10 жыл бұрын
These debates with theists are all so ridiculous. God... if you are there.. just show up and clarify all of this? Then the argument is done. Over... And we can all run for our lives from this evil being.
@psalmsurfer110 жыл бұрын
"But you can't see my face, because no one may see me and live." Ex.33:20 ; "No man hath seen God at any time: the only begotten Son who is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him" Jn. 1:18
@kevinnuttall211210 жыл бұрын
palmpervert Fuck off.
@frankeinstein799010 жыл бұрын
psalmsurfer1 "But you can't see pissurfer's face without dropping dead from laughter."
@IndubitablyMe198810 жыл бұрын
psalmsurfer1 The problem is that Paul's letters describing the Damascus road conversion completely contradict those two versus.. which isn't exactly uncommon when it comes to scripture.
@heywoodjablowme162410 жыл бұрын
psalmsurfer1 People in the Bible who saw the face of god and lived: Adam and Eve, Cain and Able, Enoch, Noah and his family, Abraham and Sarah, Hagar, Ishmael, Isaac, Rebekah, Jacob, Joseph, Moses, Aaron, etc etc etc Oh yeah, and everyone who saw Jesus' face....
@JMUDoc8 жыл бұрын
Eric commits the fallacy of affirming the consequent pretty much throughout: P1. If God, then X, P2. X. C. Therefore, God. Wrong.
@vincentheartland20884 жыл бұрын
What you described is actually affirming the antecedent :D affirming the consequent is: If X then maybe Y or Z or W X, therefore Y
@DJHastingsFeverPitch3 жыл бұрын
@@vincentheartland2088 thanks for your contribution to the discussion! This is an easy one to confuse. To affirm the consequent is to say that the consequent is true therefore the antecedent is true. So, JMUDoc is correct in his assertion. www.logicallyfallacious.com/logicalfallacies/Affirming-the-Consequent
@vincentheartland20883 жыл бұрын
@@DJHastingsFeverPitch Indeed. My mistake. Hey theists! See how easy that was?
@DJHastingsFeverPitch3 жыл бұрын
Eric also commits what I think is a fallacy but I'm not sure if it is and I don't know how to label it. He presents the following argument 1. If God is false, then consequences 2. Therefore God is true. This seems fallacious, can anyone help me out?
@JMUDoc3 жыл бұрын
@@DJHastingsFeverPitch If the consequences are merely _unpleasant_ (in his opinion) the fallacy is called "appeal to consequences". If the consequences are _logically contradictory_ then it's a legitimate type of argument called a "reductio ad absurdum".
@49perfectss4 жыл бұрын
Well he did want a vote right? Matt won. Hands down he kicked Eric's ass hahahahaha!
@ToastyMcGrath9 жыл бұрын
Man, Matt has the patience of a stone to put up with this muppet and his antics for two and a half hours.
@LaerenMisha9 жыл бұрын
Why do the theists feel the need to vomit-preach in response to questions? Rambling on and on and on and on and on with nothing but regurgitated word salad.
@LaerenMisha9 жыл бұрын
AND THEN he has the audacity to interrupt Matt in his answers, when he just rambled on and on and on during Matt's time. Mother fucking theists suck.
@baarni9 жыл бұрын
***** It's hard to believe in bullshit.... anyone who believes in anything without reasonable evidence is kidding themselves.... You might be ok with lying to yourself but that doesn't make it ok for you to encourage others to do the same... Your god is insidious and needs to be eradicated...
@baarni9 жыл бұрын
***** Whatever god it is that you believe in. They are all ridiculous.
@mattiassollerman9 жыл бұрын
Larry Barthel at 35:20 Matt can't keep his face straight when Eric mentions Romans 1, because he and everyone else know what's coming "For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen... " yada yada yada which apparently means every tree and frog and waterfall is proof of the christian god and us sissy atheists are just suppresing this obvious conclusion.
@banacek86759 жыл бұрын
Larry Barthel Because they're delusional. They know they cannot rely on credible evidence, logic, and reason. Someone once said "The bigger the lie, the more likely people are going to believe it". This same man also said "If you repeat something enough, it becomes true". Oh yeah, that was Adolf Hitler (Roman Catholic)
@2tonetony3194 жыл бұрын
Here’s every Christian apologist ever: “I’m going to demonstrate that my god concept actually exists in reality, and that demonstration is me sitting here talking about how I can demonstrate it exists, and hope no one notices that this is all I will ever demonstrate.”
@starfishsystems Жыл бұрын
Too true. Also I have many evidences. Yes. I totally do. I could present them at any time, if I wanted to. I assure you. Believe me, I have so many evidences, bigly evidences, that you would be crushed by them.
@peetee324 жыл бұрын
Lounsbery sounds like hes on the verge of tears the entire time.
@Thornspyre816 жыл бұрын
What a killer, concise and comprehensive opening statement Matt made. How the Hell could someone have anything to say aftwr
@TheGreatAlan756 жыл бұрын
When Eric referenced a verse from Romans as proof God gives evidence, Matt and I both rolled our eyes. This guy doesn't realize that's a fallacious argument
@Mikey420isTaken6 жыл бұрын
It is funny that as soon as eric has to refute Matt and he no longer has a script to read from his thoughts and responses become incoherent. If this is the same eric that bragged about how good he is at debates, he was wrong. He offered nothing new to the existence of god and I still think he is wrong, he also misrepresented a lot of what Krauss and Dawkins said. To quote the Billy Madison movie to Eric: "At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
@maujo20098 жыл бұрын
I think Eric loves hearing himself talking.
@5tonyvvvv8 жыл бұрын
+Mau Jo Lost how? Matt proved a Multiverse? And Matt knows with certainty there is no God? Matt has proven the origin of the universe was a natural event? Matt has Not proven anything!
@maujo20098 жыл бұрын
5tonyvvvv And apparently you as well
@5tonyvvvv8 жыл бұрын
Mau Jo Correct, I never said I could! Atheists have just as much blind faith and blind speculation as any believer! Matt has shown ZERO evidence for abiogenesis!! Abiogenesis is completely lacking evidence!!
@maujo20098 жыл бұрын
5tonyvvvv No, apparently you also love to hear yourself talking.
@5tonyvvvv8 жыл бұрын
paberry007 LMAO!! That's totally unobservable! And you are just assuming that time must have done it! Mix all the chemicals you want, you wont produce one single living cell...Demonstrate life arising from non life????? Lets see it if its soooo Highly likely!
@benkrapf7 жыл бұрын
Eric Lounsbery now goes by Eric Jewell, since I imagine all of his other accounts were deactivated or banned. He trolls FB and he has a YT channel. Be warned.
@GeneralZod996 жыл бұрын
Incorrect
@JonnieQuestsStars5 жыл бұрын
GeneralZod99 expound please...
@GeneralZod995 жыл бұрын
@@JonnieQuestsStars Here is a video with Eric Jewell in it. He sounds _nothing_ like Eric Lounsbery. They are not the same person. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/rLlifqaKx9TIdqc.html
@thickerconstrictor90374 жыл бұрын
He probably changed his name because he was so embarrassed at his failure to debate Matt
@Goose_Rascal7 жыл бұрын
Eric seeks to hear himself talk. Matt seeks to educate.
@JohnS170410 жыл бұрын
Has Eric ever read more than one book?
@davids1113111310 жыл бұрын
Apparently the other book Eric read is titled 'Let's Go Ahead'.
@JohnS170410 жыл бұрын
It must have pictures in it too.
@kevinnuttall211210 жыл бұрын
"How to Be an Expert in/at/on Nothing"...
@WilbertLek7 жыл бұрын
There's more than one?... o.O
@Thornspyre816 жыл бұрын
davids11131113 hahahhahaha!!!
@mikemantonya66667 жыл бұрын
Listening to Eric try and form (and then relay) a complete, coherent thought in real time is beyond agonizing.
@samhhaincat270310 ай бұрын
His whole personality is agonizing.
@bahamatruthseekers8 жыл бұрын
And Matt you were waaay too patient/ passive with Eric BS claims.
@thickerconstrictor90374 жыл бұрын
It's because he just sat back and let him embarrass himself. I know that people have a hard time being Christian and admitting that there person got their ass kicked, just like atheists have a problem admitting that there person didn't do well. I have seen countless times where atheists have just not been good at debating or have not been good at explaining their point. Even if the other person was a joke, I've seen atheists just not do good jobs. But the thing is with theists, even the best ones still have to assume that their position is correct before they look at the evidence. They have to assume that there is a God before they can make their points. They try and shift the burden of proof and they commit fallacies galore. And that's what Eric did. The entire time he tried to shift the burden of proof and he tried to basically say if you don't believe in God you are lying. II that you do that, you've already lost. the only way you can get to the position that Eric has is by presupposing that God exists ahead of time and committing fallacies. Matt didn't have to beat him, Eric beat himself by talking
@noonski66610 жыл бұрын
The moral of this debate is to be careful what you wish for Eric. You request a debate with Matt Dillahunty, you're ''gonna go ahead'' and be the recipient of an intellectual smack down.
@Pngiaca10 жыл бұрын
Matt destroyed in this one. Nice job. To the theist.......wow that was embarrassing.
@heathkitchen26129 жыл бұрын
New drinking game: Take a shot every time Eric Lounsbery says "go ahead".
@SplooogeMcDuck9 жыл бұрын
Heath Kitchen im going to try this. if you dont see another post on here then assume i failed
@heathkitchen26129 жыл бұрын
mm1b10 Good luck! I haven't found a buddy who can suffer through Eric's braying long enough to drink with me. But "go head" with my support :)
@BaronVonQuiply9 жыл бұрын
mm1b10 I'm going to go ahead and assume that you went ahead and the alcohol went straight to your head.
@russellfrancis8138 жыл бұрын
+Heath Kitchen I think we should "go ahead" and give that idea a shot.
@BaronVonQuiply8 жыл бұрын
I played this game and died of alcohol poisoning. It took me three whole days to come back.. well, 36 hours.
@twitchic17539 жыл бұрын
After listening to Matt for a few years I believe he is more than above-average intelligence.
@BlkOnyx48810 жыл бұрын
Matt for the Win! Eric failed in many many ways, but mostly for using the Babble as part of his Evidence.
@christianblevins1870 Жыл бұрын
Man if I made a drinking game when ever Eric makes a claim I would be six feet under from alcohol poisoning.
@49perfectss4 жыл бұрын
Eric and his Argument from Ignorance lost hard here lol. Well done Matt
@aarrgghh8 жыл бұрын
shorter eric: "if i had wings, i could fly. ergo, i can fly."
@kentonbaird17234 жыл бұрын
How I wish he'd attempt to demonstrate that, preferably from a great height.
@sjhoneywell62352 жыл бұрын
Eric: I'm short on time (asks 3-minute question) Also, take a shot every time Eric says "go ahead."
@christastempel55779 жыл бұрын
What I considered to be very interesting, is that Lounsbery used his initial ten minutes to 'attack' the atheist view of Prof. Krauss, by using excerpts of his debates in other contexts in order to support his argument. He however does not seem to realise that intelligent people know that using certain excerpts of what people say, without showing context, is a very calculated strategy, meant to discredit the point of view of an opponent in a disglorious way. So the debate started with me already discovering that Lounsbery is using an ignominous practice of debate. Next thing I found to be interesting, is that Matt Dillahunty used clear philosophical arguments to support his view, and did not have to resort to attacking any theist.
@colaboytje5 жыл бұрын
This is every debate with a religious debater: They define god into existence, and then use false reasoning to prove their definition. You can't define something into existence. You have to prove that something exists, then label it, and then study it. Arguments will never prove god to exist. Only evidence will.
@D-me-dream-smp3 жыл бұрын
Perfect summation
@BrodhivsLife8 жыл бұрын
I am now 12 IQ points dumber for listening to Eric's argument
@PatriciaCross10 жыл бұрын
If God exists then science can only bring us closer to him. If science seems to keep bringing you farther and farther from your idea of God, then your idea of God does not exist. You need to stop looking at God as a required outcome, or at any required outcome for that matter. Science reveals truth.
@Kratos405959 жыл бұрын
Eric found the way to defeat Matt… Bore him to tears lol
@pedipirate9 жыл бұрын
I only got through the first half because Matt is engaging enough, but this guy is a bigger knucklehead than bananaman!
@karlmohr26867 жыл бұрын
The argument ended as soon as Eric said nothing could change his mind. He's poisoned his own well. If nothing is able to change his mind that is an admission that even if he were factually convinced (an one could reasonably assume clandestinely convinced because he'd never admit that) we would probably never know; he would actively work in spite of that evidence to maintain his worldview. This is demonstrated by his performance in the debate- the amount of mental gymnastics and cognitive dissonance was beyond the pale. What an intellectually dishonest individual.
@JayMaverick9 жыл бұрын
So.. If God is God, then God is God? Wow, I think I'm Christian now. Brilliant rhetoric, Eric.
@MikeTall889 жыл бұрын
Wow wow wow, that's an argument for Allah, you are a Muslim!
@jesspavlichenko57456 жыл бұрын
eric lost this debate
@Speednote107 жыл бұрын
I don't know how many times I rolled my eyes at Eric's statements during this debate... How can he be so confident and so certain that he has proved the statements he made??? All he did was say that it's true because a book says so and god is the creator because he can't accept any other possible explanation. His "proof" that something can't come from nothing (without being able to explain what nothing is) - We all know that a fire comes from something. His "proof" that the god of the bible is the god that created everything - The bible says Jesus rose from the dead and Paul changed his mind. His "proof" that we all know that god is real - The people who don't believe in him are lying. etcetc Also, if an Independence day sized space ship with aliens would come here tomorrow and they showed us how they planted life on earth millions of years ago, he still would believe that god created us since he said nothing could change his mind...
@dovregubben788 жыл бұрын
Eric is definitely a master debater. He master debated all over this broadcast.
@Tim3shark7 жыл бұрын
Its sad that many people who believe they are debaters don't actually know how to debate and only want to hear themselves talk about what they think, over and over and over anyone else's criticisms.
@digableskillz6 жыл бұрын
dovregubben78 🤣🤣🤣😂😂😭😭😅
@seivaDsugnA5 жыл бұрын
...and a cunning linguist.
@daddy1969ful4 жыл бұрын
LOL....
@ARoll9253 жыл бұрын
Best comment ever, I just had a good laugh at that
@deadmanssuit10 жыл бұрын
Thanks David and Brandy for making this happen. Thanks also to Matt and Eric.
@brandymadden305210 жыл бұрын
You're very welcome! Feel free to listen to more at Dogmadebate.com :-)
@jeffreyp18559 жыл бұрын
Brandy Madden Great debate, some old arguments and some new ones I haven't heard.
@sidvishnu88137 жыл бұрын
... and thereby proving your real god is fake, haha. well done Eric!
@49perfectss5 ай бұрын
@@brandymadden3052 oh I totally forgot you have a podcast I haven't binged yet! Weekend. Plans. Made! Hahaha thanks for the podcasts.
@benkrapf7 жыл бұрын
Now that I've watched the debate here, I can say that Eric has no coherent response when he tries to corner atheists who say, "I don't know," when he tries to put words in their mouths or assume their viewpoints. He argues like a toddler. Not surprising that he stopped calling in to TAE.
@sunmustbedestroyed9 жыл бұрын
This Eric Lounsbery guy is insane. The ravings of a mad man.
@asix91785 жыл бұрын
*I'm gonna go ahead and take a drink every time Eric says 'go ahead and blah, blah, blah. I should be drunk in no time!*
@Stallya10 жыл бұрын
Props to Matt for staying so civil, he doesn't usually have that patience :)
@MrJoeyWheeler9 жыл бұрын
I like it more when he can cut off the stupid before they dig themselves too deep.
@starfishsystems Жыл бұрын
He understands the debate format, and comports himself accordingly. A call-in show has a very different format.
@DanDare20506 жыл бұрын
Eric gish gallops his way to total failure and does not listen to understand.
@fairytaleoverworlds77956 жыл бұрын
*Eric's argument in a nutshell:* If (a) (b) and (c) are Biblical, and millions of Christians believe (a) and (b), then how are you going to discount (c)? If they all believe (a) and (c), then how are you going to discount (b)? If they all believe (b) and (c), then how are you going to discount (a)? Eric believes in a being, but can't seem to point him out. He has presented us a giant circular argument from ignorance.
@rijden-nu8 жыл бұрын
@1:15:32 This topic is so rarely debated and I don't get why. Because for me, it's the basic point that reduced my own christianity to absurd back when I was a child, although I'm somewhat more proficient in wording it (especially in a language not native to me like English :) ). If God is omniscient, omnipotent and omnipresent (and I take that weird phrase "out of time" as a synonym for that), it follows that this god created the universe exactly such that Adam and Eve would fall for sin. Because omniscience and omnipresence gave him 100% certainty about that, and omnipotence easily gave him the power to create the universe such that they wouldn't fall (and at the same time excludes the possibility of error, by the way rendering the separate statement that god is infallible a tautology). In my opinion you cannot speak of a choice or about free will. But this god still blames them for that. It's like shooting someone dead and then blaming the bullet for the killing - it makes no sense. I asked so many people in my church about this when I was a kid, because I simply couldn't (and still can't) wrap my head around WHY god would blame US for something that HE designed with 100% precision and accuracy. As a kid I felt offended by my god and treated unfairly, just like when my parents would blame me for something my sister broke and just didn't want to listen to arguments. When I reached about 12 years of age I decided that this was enough for me to consider Christianity absurd and not accept it as a perspective on reality any more. Sorry for the long story and please excuse any possibly wonky English.
@daddy1969ful4 жыл бұрын
ERIC WAS ABSOLUTELY TERRIBLE....... MATT KICKED HIS ARROGANT AZZ.