Correction! apologies - Shimano m6100 and m7100 level 12spd chains do in fact have the extended inner link plates, so ignore the sentence where i advise they do not.
@michaelhotten7529 ай бұрын
in fact my wife's new bike has m6100 and I am happy she is in the hyperglide + world. meantime I am slogging along with a SRAM 11speed chain. but hey, they're both waxed, running quiet and smooth. thanks for the vid Adam. hopefully SRAM gets a clue about their chain lineup. what a cluster!
@MrGarycoww7 ай бұрын
Does this mean you can upgrade to a dura ace or ulteggra chain ,or are we talking new cassette too? I have a praxis works 12 compatible chain rings on the way and they claim to be OK with 10,11,12 so..
@zerofrictioncycling9927 ай бұрын
@@MrGarycoww yes cassette wise you can upgrade chains perfectly. Chain rings as long as they are 12spd SHIMANO compatible. being 12spd compatible is not same as being Shimano 12s compatible due to their extended inner link plates. Ie internally, a campy 12s is same as 11s and 10s and 9s - still just an 11/128 chain. Same with sram eagle (not road flat top - thats different). Same with KMC, and ybn etc - they are all just 11/128 internal width standard chains, so rings can easily claim 12s compatibility. For shimano, they must specifically state they are shimano 12s compatible
@joselarrarte69647 ай бұрын
I have been running a 11 ultegra Cassette and rd with a Sram 12 speed flat top chain and Red Aro 1X chain ring. No issues at all. Very happy so far ( I have been running this set up for about 2 - 3 months. Doing 5 rides a week about 30 - 40 miles a day.)
@zerofrictioncycling9927 ай бұрын
ah very interesting - was the cassette used or new?
@joselarrarte69647 ай бұрын
@@zerofrictioncycling992 Brand new. I just need to buy a chain wear tool to keep a close eye on the progress. I have done long rides. Also, have participated in several springs putting a lot of power. Still working fine.
@joselarrarte69647 ай бұрын
@@zerofrictioncycling992 quick update: I bought the Pedros chain checker II and measured the chain. Still in good condition. So far I have ridden 1,235 miles as per my Strava record. If you are interested, I can send you pics to your email so you can use them for further review.
@zerofrictioncycling9926 ай бұрын
@@joselarrarte6964 Hey jose, what chain and what riding do you do? unless thats hard mtb kms thats not a big number of kms for a wax chain yet, should be a lot more life before a genuine 0.5. Not too familiar with the pedros checker yet!
@frankdelatank84549 ай бұрын
Thanks for the great video. Currently running 12 speed Ultegra cassette with YBN SLA 12s chain, Wolf Tooth(B) 1x chainring and Force AXS rear derailleur on my CX bike. Works great!
@Nikica3589 ай бұрын
Correction 10k subs ! Congrats I found wax (silca) is quite noisier on both Sram RED and Sram XX SL chain when using Squirt.
@chris1275cc9 ай бұрын
I don't run any SRAM Flattop gear. So this seems to have confirmed to me that I made the right decision sticking with YBN-SLA across my bikes. I suspect any losses caused by the slightly less than perfect compatibility is made up for by just how easy/well YBN chains take to being waxed.
@stephencharles82989 ай бұрын
Hey, nice to have a Monday bonus vid to watch!
@glennmorgan86919 ай бұрын
Grats on the 10k subs Adam that's awesome!!!
@BryanHoefer9 ай бұрын
On 12 speed MTB I ran a Sram Eagle XO1 chain on a Shimano XT cassette and Wolftooth Shimano compatible chainring with no issues. Shifting is a little bit better with the Shimano chain. Of course now I'm running XT chain and cassette, Wolftooth chainring, with XO1 AXS derailleur and shifter.
@hail_sagan28306 ай бұрын
Posted this as well on the previous video re: Transmission chain efficiency-if flat-top components are designed to be used only with flat-top chains, why does SRAM spec “mullet” systems that run an Eagle chain on AXS road chain rings? Or if single chain rings are designed to be used with Eagle chains, why do they spec road 1x systems that use flat-top chains? Both of these systems are in use at the highest levels of racing; AXS “mullet” is all over the gravel world and SRAM was not shy about Visma winning everything with road 1x this last season. It must be supported to some degree, and the danger of chain slipping must be sufficiently low that it’s viable at those levels of racing.
@101001101019 ай бұрын
Those compatibility charts were great
@dakalla9 ай бұрын
That XXSL Eagle Transmission chain must be gold plated with diamonddust on it. That pricing is ridicoulous, especially with a chain that is ridden in mud and sand.
@zerofrictioncycling9929 ай бұрын
yep. part of why i havent stocked t-type yet is cost - i think i will have to create another little offset account to start saving some zfc $$ each week towards buying some T-Type chain stock.... w/sale price is only around 30% lower than rrp, so it is ouch for everyone. I dont know why they cost like double say a sram red flat top chain - the pricing of T-Type chains is really a concern. But.... the high cost of components has driven ever more cyclists to look for a better lubricant, so thats been positive for ZFC......however oh how i feel for anyone running a known terrible lubricant on their new T-Type transmission. Be like $1 per pedal stroke running cost!!!
@epizzoli61049 ай бұрын
I think you got the hyperglide + part wrong. All 12 speed Shimano chains have the extended inner links and all 12 speed MTB groupsets have hyperglide+. Only 105 doesn't technically have hyperglide+ but it uses a hyperglide+ chain and the cassette has identical cutouts to Ultegra so it probably has it, it's just not mentioned for marketing purposes
@sutsingh40919 ай бұрын
Yep, all Shimano 12 speed chains, inc M6100/M7100 have the extended inner links. Also the side without the writing has 2 chamfered corners whereas the 10/11 speed chains do not. My experience of Deore 12 speed groupset on 2 bikes is that it's super smooth and now thanks to Adam, I'm using Silca Super Secret and it's even better, soon will be moving to immersive waxing. I only ride tow paths here in England but a waxed chain feels so much better when pedalling. Shimano blurb, Hyperglide allows smoother/underload shifting into bigger cogs & Hyperglide+ (only available Shimano 12 speed) adds smoother and shifting under load moving into the smaller cogs. SIL-TEC: an advanced plating process that bonds fluorine particles to the metal to create a long lasting, ultra low friction surface. It also helps reduce noise considerably. Chromizing: Chromium is diffused into the metal to make it harder, so it’ll last longer. Deore CN-M6100 Chain Chromizing roller link pin, 252g SLX CN-M7100 Chain SIL-TEC roller link plate Chromizing roller link pin, 252g XT CN-M8100 Chain No SIL-TEC Chromizing roller link plates and pins 252g XTR CN-M9100 Chain SIL-TEC pin link plates and roller Chromizing roller link plates and pins Upgrades to hollow pins (saves 10g) 242g Adam thanks for the all the great work you do.
@n0ch91c3s9 ай бұрын
Apparently HG+ chain control is very hard and expensive to do with adjacent cogs that have just one tooth count difference. That's why 105 doesn't have it but lower end MTB cassettes do
@epizzoli61049 ай бұрын
@@n0ch91c3s but the 105 cassette looks exactly like the Ultegra one and has the "upshift ramps" that hyperglide+ cassettes have and for example 11 speed cassettes lack
@zerofrictioncycling9929 ай бұрын
oh heavens to betsy - you know i swear i checked this awhile ago - but i just double checked shimano website now and you are correct! I will pin a correction comment at top of video, thanks for flagging!
@Hard_Work_Is_Rewarding9 ай бұрын
Hi Adam, recently stumbled upon your channel and I overall like it very much, I wish more videos were as concise as the waxing FAQ one, but "you do you". Question: why do you suggest using Mineral Turpentine for initial chain stripping? It is both more toxic and less efficient than Wax And Grease Remover specifically designed for the purpose? I wonder if the Silca chain degreaser is actually that?
@zerofrictioncycling9929 ай бұрын
Thanks! Mineral turpentine is (in australia- things can have different names or same name be a different product in other countries) a strong solvent on grease and oils so it is powerful re dissolving factory grease, it is cheaper than most other solvents that may compete at around $5 a litre, mineral turpentine actually has very low environmental toxicity, and is easily re cycled. It leaves little film behind for following alcohol rounds. It does not cause hydrogen embrittlement like some solvents or degreasers. Wax and grease remover is VERY expensive - last i saw i think it was about $14 a litre - and since mineral turpentine works perfectly, there is just no reason to spend circa 3x the price to do the same job. No silca's product deliberately does not work on waxes at all - so it is definitely not a version of wax and grease remover
@Hard_Work_Is_Rewarding9 ай бұрын
@@zerofrictioncycling992 I think hydrogen embrittlement fears are greatly exagerated (for our scenario) until there is any solid scientific evidence behind it. Yes, Wax and Grease may be x3 times more expensive than turps, but it is a false economy because 1x bath of it is more effective than 3x baths of turps. Further, if economy is main priority one can use White Spirit which is very similar chemical to Wax and Grease but is a lot cheaper. As for the final film removal - I have no objection to denaturated ethanol although I prefer isopropyl - it dries cleaner. PS I do not want to say that turps is bad. I just think that wax and grease (or white spirit) is better and thus can not understand your choice. W&G has lower toxicity and can be recycled just as well. Chemical pricing can be relevant if you run a business, but for us DIY garage mechanics it is irrelevant as you only need one litre for a lifetime. Unless you use Silca which is many, many times more expensive.
@zerofrictioncycling9929 ай бұрын
@@Hard_Work_Is_Rewarding yep for sure you could be correct there if W&G only requires one bath - i havent tested (there are so many solvents) - so i am really not sure. And correct re embrittlement if used as per instructions, but some do leave for overnight soaks, or even for days - which could be an issue. As yes ISO is perfect but again, generally a lot more expensive than humble metho
@neutronpcxt3729 ай бұрын
It's because it's simple and if you don't care about the environmental impact and cost, they work well. There's a reason microemulsions like Silca's and CeramicSpeed's cleaners and powerful hybrid detergents are increasily being used everywhere in the industry: solvent based cleaners are just environmental bombs.
@Hard_Work_Is_Rewarding9 ай бұрын
@@neutronpcxt372 Unsure what you mean. Turpentine works better than wax and grease if you don't care about environment and cost? I don't understand this.
@83dsvhtubb3 ай бұрын
You should test the kmc chains. It’s compatible with all 12 speed
@101001101019 ай бұрын
Shimano 12speed chains with the longer inner plate work fine with SRAM Eagle X-Sync 2 narrow wide chainrings but not the typical narrow wide chainrings with symmetrical teeth
@The1984Gman7 ай бұрын
So I could run My shimano 12s chain on my sram eagle x sync 2 chainring?
@robertmcfadyen91569 ай бұрын
YBN has been a bit hard to find in some versions recently . I supply what the clients want as alternatives .
@robertmcfadyen91569 ай бұрын
I hope SRAM TRANSMISSION , assymetrical chains were covered as I have been working with them of late and they have quite specific usage and setup requirements .
@RAP4EVERMRC965 ай бұрын
What is the reasoning behing why sram axs road flat top chains are not compatible with a maybe upcoming t type Red cassette. Your wording regarding this was very strong so I guess there is a reason to why not to do that or is it just regarding the snapping chain because tested under same conditions as t type chain (ex. shifting under load)?
@zerofrictioncycling9925 ай бұрын
correct - T-Type system is designed and marketed as being able to shift under full load. So putting a non T-Type chain on T-type and shifting under load may result in a failure. So it was really the sram guy was super strong on that not being cross compatible. he was also super strong re not T-Type on normal flat top due to small extra width of the T-Type chains ,but honestly i had to disagree there, the external width difference is tiny, i cannot see any issues running T-Type on road flat except for issues for your wallet in purchasing a T-Type chain. We have had enquiries and customers confused since this vid re sram eagle and T-type eagle, as they are NOT compatible at all, and so putting Eagle in both is just ..... wtf sram. It would be having T-Type ultegra and not T-Type ultegra and they are so not compatible but dont mix them up. I dont understand how that was signed off.
@cdm39 ай бұрын
Is Interval 2 data missing from the Chain Prepping Test chart for Solvent? There’s no visible orange bar.
@zerofrictioncycling9929 ай бұрын
It was just a basically 0% wear measure result on that one. Some of the middle intervals had extremely low wear
@aurimasjablonskas16239 ай бұрын
I’ve mounted 12sp Sram MTB group, but put Shimano XT cassette (everything brand new). Sram chain was popping on some cassette tooth, very first time I could see such thing (kept video). So put X01 cassette and I was forced to feel exceptional X01 system work.
@zerofrictioncycling9929 ай бұрын
ah that is very interesting, thanks for reporting. Field is often a bit of mix, ie many reports of people running eagle xx1 / x01 for their exceptional wear life on shimano cassette / groupset - and all super - but the odd one can be like yours which can be a little bit of mystery! the shimano cassette teeth have some extra profiling for those extended inner link plates, so in theory, they should fit easily into sram chain that is same standard and without those extra bits. If you get a chance send that vid to info@zerofrictioncycling.com.au - i dont think i can help solve from afar but would interested to see for my own knowledge :)
@aurimasjablonskas16239 ай бұрын
@@zerofrictioncycling992 sure will send it soon
@aurimasjablonskas16239 ай бұрын
@@zerofrictioncycling992 just sent
@northkyt9 ай бұрын
Adam, great news that the Silca chain stripper worked essentially as well as the benchmark solvent treatment to prep the chains. From this test we know that the Silca product works as well on Shimano chains, but it doesn't say what will happen with higher end SRAM Force or Red chains. The previous test on the lower-end SRAM chains didn't go well. I would love to see this test replicated with a SRAM Force and Red chain. I'm wondering if the factory chain treatment prohibits the chain stripper from working fully, or if the previous test on lower-end SRAM chains was just an anomaly.
@zerofrictioncycling9929 ай бұрын
I dont expect the sram FG will impact per se except possibly less chains able to be effectivly cleaned (ie with solvents they take more solvent volume) - but initial 2 or 3 should be fine if for shimano they can do 5 or 6 - we shall see how many shimano they do. But i am very confident it was the chains as right from brand new there was up to 30% wear measure variance between different sections of the same chain, which is nuts - i have never seen new chains so far out from one section to another - making tracking wear for a control test a bit fraught re accuracy, and so just could not depend on those initial wear results for the first round of testing on those chains. the plan was the budget sram chains would be perfect for the test as a) putting strippers to the test with srams FG, and b) as that level chain has no wear protection treatments, an differences in the wax coating performance post clean would show up more obviously. I did not expect the chains to be check measure all over the place out of the box - they are basically junk. I dont know how they are making that model chain, but it must be the most cheap arse production out there. Get what we pay for i guess.... Still -it was a bummer for plan A to fail due to junk mfg tolerances!
@aelaeks9 ай бұрын
Hey Adam! Possibly I missed it, but i was actually looking forward to an info if and why the Campy Ekar 13s chain is/not compatible with 12 (and 11s) systems. Also, I have the vague recollection that first iterations of the YBN 12s chain were subpar and you actually recommended only the oilslick one, as thar was updated slightly and performing better. Am I correct in assuming that by now all colors of the YBN 12s perform up to par? Bonus question: I read somewhere on the wide interwebs that YBN actually produces the Campy chains, and they sure perform similar, so I was expecting them to have the same dimensions, which they apparently don't. Any idea? Aaaaand any experiences with the new campy WRL chain? Is it just the same chain as before, only rebranded? Cheers!
@zerofrictioncycling9929 ай бұрын
Great questions! Firstly Ekar is VERY thin internally, at only 1.7mm, vs circa 2.1mm to 2.2mm that is normal for 11/128 standard. The chain just literally does not fit over teeth for 12spd systems, only EKAR. Correct the initial ybn sla 12's had very poor lifespan - similar to kmc 12. This was rectified a long time ago though initially with rainbow colour but now it has been sorted across all colours for years so would only be a concern if somewhere had very old stock. I have heard that too, but have not had it confirmed. However, the 11spd ybn sla and the campagolo record chains had near identical wear life and efficiency performance. And same with 12spd. So it is possible. But would be different runs, and also can be to specific requested specifications - so their can still be differences even if they do mfg. really not a lot of information on the wrl chain. At a surface look from what i can glean on the website - i cant get much. There is a bit of marketing fluff there, but why they would need a different chain for wireless is currently a bit of a mystery. I think that it would be a very brave person to take a bet that they could tell a difference in shifting or anything with a WRL chain vs existing super record 12spd. Mostly it will be a pain for retailers to have to stock yet another SKU - so i hope i am wrong and there are some specific differences justifiying a new chain - but at the moment, i am doubtful. ...
@jakethesnake19769 ай бұрын
Let me guess; T-type power links are twice the price of flat top??🤔
@n0ch91c3s9 ай бұрын
Same price as long as you don't choose the PVD version, then it's a little bit more
@andyrichardson37284 ай бұрын
Hi, thanks for a great video. Just to ask, so I couldn't put a flat top sram 12 speed chain on my shimano 12 speed set up? Is that correct?
@zerofrictioncycling9924 ай бұрын
Correct - the oversize rollers on the flat top chain just wont fit well at all into the teeth of cog / ring / pulleys
@JoseGonzalez-su2sy5 ай бұрын
Hi, thank you for the amazing video! I have a question regarding backwards compatibility. I'm planning to run a Shimano 12 speed chain and cassette with an 11 speed crankset (don't quite have the money to upgrade cranks...). Do you think this would be compatible?
@zerofrictioncycling9925 ай бұрын
Thanks Jose! Mostly - the main issue will be shimano 12s chain as those special extended inner link plates, and the teeth on the chain rings will not be machined for those. In straighter chain line angles probably wont notice, but those extensions may rub on sides of teeth on higher chain line angles which may or may not cause issues. Changing to the 12s chainring would not be cheap either unfortunately, it would be better to get with the crank as likely not much more expensive. You can certainly try - it may be perfectly fine, but if it isnt, that will be why.
@malone0054 ай бұрын
Shimano M6100 chain on a SRAM NX EAGLE derailleur, cassette and chainring. Any potential issues?
@zerofrictioncycling9924 ай бұрын
yep same as for all shimano 12s, the extended inner link plates as part of hyperglide+ can cause some fun. You will need a shimano 12s compatible chainring for a start, as well as pulleys - or they just wont run well at all with those extensions not allowing chain to slide down teeth. So i wouldnt go that path, there is no point to spending $$ changing those components to run a shimano 12s chain on eagle. Your best chain will be sram eagle x01 as just amazing longevity with srams hardchrome treatment on x01 /xx1 level.
@unbridlededification2 ай бұрын
Any word on the new YBN MK120 flattop chain regarding friction and durability?
@zerofrictioncycling9922 ай бұрын
Friction yes - it is really really fast - as in right up there with the fastest chains tested by ceramic speed denmark lab. Wear testing - it is on my very big to do list, but i have no idea when i will be able to get to that. At a guess however, i would say it will be a fair bit less wear life vs srams top tiers of flat top chains as srams hardchrome treatment is extremely wear resistant. So the mk12 for many will be more of a race day chain vs training chain, and if using for training, keep regular checking of wear rate.
@ottalausinc7094 ай бұрын
Have you ever tested the Wipperman Connex 12SO chain vs the big brands.?
@zerofrictioncycling9924 ай бұрын
not yet - now that there is an importer in aus for wippermann they may have more interest here and so more call to focus some more testing on them. Not sure how big they are outside of germany / some parts of europe but to date we havent had a lot of info requests about them, but i think from what i know they seem a solid brand / chain overall. I have a bit of backlog to try to get to re wear testing chains and that will be one of them....
@rafaelvillano99666 ай бұрын
Thanks for all the information. What is the main problem to use Dura Ace 9270 groupset with sram red 10-33 cassete and sram red flat top chain 12v?
@zerofrictioncycling9926 ай бұрын
My pleasure. Flat top chain has oversize rollers. It will not run on shimano chain rings where the teeth are profiled for normal size rollers. Same re shimano pulley wheels. Why would you look to put a sram chain and cassette on your shimano drivetrain vs a shimano chain and cassette? what advantage are you looking for doing that and how do you believe that change is going to deliver it? Just curious re what drives some mix and match thinking like this so i can understand more! :)
@KD_cycling9 ай бұрын
iMmErsIvE wAxInG iS dAngErOus! Scrubbing your drivetrain with solvents every week is however completely risk free of course 😂
@clintmichigan11049 ай бұрын
Update....says 10k now
@zerofrictioncycling9929 ай бұрын
woohoo!!! i think thats excuse to buy myself a present to celebrate hahahahaha
@TnFruit9 ай бұрын
@@zerofrictioncycling992or you invite us all together and we make a nice room tour. ❤
@simonsimon82134 ай бұрын
How much Watt does the Ybn sla 12 save compared to dura ace 12 speed shimano?
@zerofrictioncycling9924 ай бұрын
the ybn sla 12 is one of the fastest chains, tested at basically 3w, shimano 12s around 5w (at 250w load) - so notable in the chain savings space
@kamilluslummi9 ай бұрын
Btw, is it dangerous for the quality of the wax If some remaining solvent on the chain gets into the hot wax and evaporates directly?
@zerofrictioncycling9929 ай бұрын
I dont believe so, most solvents dont really work on wax, and should evaporate out easily as should be lighter and sit on top of the wax for easy evap
@MooreMatt9 ай бұрын
Interesting my m9100 only says HG not HG+.
@HannesBretschneider9 ай бұрын
Uh oh - I recently went from Shimano 11 speed to SRAM Force AXS 12 speed and instead of buying a new free hub body + SRAM 12sp cassette for my trainer, I just put a 105 12sp cassette on it so I didn't have to replace both the free hub body and cassette. I haven't noticed any problems or excessive noise running with my 12sp RED flat top chain on the trainer, but according to your guide that's a big red No. Do you feel in a trainer scenario where I don't need perfect shifting, this is okay to run or do I need to shell out for a new free hub body and cassette? What about if I run a Shimano 12sp chain on the trainer?
@zerofrictioncycling9929 ай бұрын
i think you should be fine in the end - early days info was that the widths of axs road 12spd cassettes was more narrow cog spacing than shimano, however i have seen a number of vids of people testing sram axs road 12spd on shimano 12s cassette and all has been sweet - so unless you have issues present - it looks like you should actually be fine!
@TnFruit9 ай бұрын
Could it be better to use a 12 speed sram road Ft chain as a second or third chain for a (little) worn shimano cassette / drivetrain?
@zerofrictioncycling9929 ай бұрын
Thats possible - i have had that thought meself but there is just no field / anecdotal on that. Thats more of a macguyver hack. I think most when cassette / rings worn buy new cassette & rings and new chain all of correct stuff for their system, vs thinking to get a different standard chain that may now fit worn parts better - so i dont expect we will get much direct information back on the above - but, in theory - that may work. Pulleys would need to be worn down a bit too.
@healthyfunkyfree9 ай бұрын
I think my head has just exploded 😮 can I run the sram 12 speed original flat top chain on a Shimano 11 speed casette ? I’ve subscribed
@zerofrictioncycling9929 ай бұрын
Thanks so much! but also HA! I really did lose you there. No, definitely no :). Srams flat top you really want to run on cassette and rings made of that standard which has oversize rollers, they will not run on cassettes and rings made for normal 11/128 standard with "normal" diameter rollers - that applies for shimano / campy 12spd and shimano campy & sram 11spd.
@irfkaptan9 ай бұрын
Is it save to run my 12speed sram x01 chains on an complete SLX 7100 group set? Also 1x12speed… I mean i trade the hyperglide+ for durability maybe. But will using sram x01 chains degrade the cassette or chainrings etc? Thank you Adam! ❤
@zerofrictioncycling9929 ай бұрын
Yes that should be all groovy - i swapped sram rings to shimano 12spd rings on 2 mtb a long time ago to try shimano on sram. I havent bothered changing them back since now running sram xx1 training and ybn for racing - no wear noticeable / measurable on ring, nor chain drops etc. It should also be perfectly fine on shimano cassette, the only difference is the teeth profiled for hg+, but they don't seem to notice if the chain isnt HG+ aside from the comparative drop in shift performance compared to that new benchmark.
@irfkaptan9 ай бұрын
Thank you very much for the response! Your channel is a gem!
@The1984Gman7 ай бұрын
Hi, will a shimano 12s chain run on a sram Eagle x-sync 2 chainring, thanks
@zerofrictioncycling9927 ай бұрын
apologies i am unsure on that - it certainly didnt run on x-sync - the new profiled x-sync 2 looks like it might have more of a shot, but again its a sram rim, the teeth are not profiled for shimano 12s chains extended inner link plates. Unless the chain ring specifically states it is shimano 12s compatible you are literally going to be trialing and hoping. (note many also need shimano 12s compat pulleys)
@The1984Gman7 ай бұрын
@zerofrictioncycling992 no problem buddy thanks for the reply, someone not long mentioned using a kmc chain as there chain is compatible with shimano and sram, do you think that chain would work with my sram chainring and shimano derailleur and cassette?
@zerofrictioncycling9927 ай бұрын
@@The1984Gman yep you are overall running basically an 11/128 chain system so any 11/128 chain without other stuff like extended link plates etc will be compatible. KMC is one, however my experience and control testing of the x12 showed them to have very poor wear life. For training i would run sram x01 eagle due to its extreme wear durability (or xx1 if want some colour and $$ are not too much of an issue). They are the worlds best training chain for 11/128 systems as they just really do have unreal wear lifespan. Probably about 20 kmc x12's worth! For races the ybn sla 12 is a blistering fast chain. Normal wear life, basically the same wear life as shimano DA 11spd chain, but multiple watts faster than sram eagle chain. I train on xx1, race on ybn for my mtb's. However if i was on full shimano 12s i would just run the shimano 12s chains as their wear life is now impressive vs their 11s chains (but a bit slower), and you get hyperglide+ shifting, so if you have already the 12s cassette and mech (and thus compatible pulleys) - personally i would consider swapping out the chain ring - wolf tooth will do a shimano 12s compatible ring with sram DM fitment, then you are all fully compat and can enjoy hyperglide plus shifting with a chain that is fast enough, very durable, and e-bike rated strength.
@khunlongpete9 ай бұрын
Can't find Compatibility Table on your website
@zerofrictioncycling9929 ай бұрын
sorry that table isnt up yet - i only just whipped it up for the vid - i will be doing a 12spd compatibility document sn and it will be on that (will put that in instructions tab)
@4lumi9 ай бұрын
What about kmc 12s chains compatibility?
@zerofrictioncycling9929 ай бұрын
Ah yep sorry i will try remember to add that to the table for the 12s compat doc i will soon have on website - they will be same as ybn sla 12s. They are also very fast, but wear life of kmc 12 has been a big concern, also their low friction coating seems to cause some fun with a lot of lubricants being able to bond. KMC chains can feel / sound very dry very quickly with waxes vs most other chains.
@richardharker27759 ай бұрын
Standards? Patents? The word standard doesn't seem to relate to "a" standard. Think bottom brackets.
@zerofrictioncycling9929 ай бұрын
ha yes - well it almost was for a while, the 11/128 standard covered us through 9spd days, then 10spd days, then 11spd days, and the first couple years of 12spd for eagle and campy - so as far as cycling industry goes re standards - that was a pretty good run. It had to come to an end :)
@AceRamone9 ай бұрын
L’Eroica is the best way to go. This stuff is a waste of money.
@zerofrictioncycling9929 ай бұрын
Sorry i have no idea what you comment means. Does L'Eroica make 12spd groupsets or chains?
@AceRamone9 ай бұрын
@@zerofrictioncycling992 They suffer from Programmed Obsolescence.
@deadmandying62347 ай бұрын
Can i run a dura ace 12spd chain on a shimano dura ace 11spd setup? (9100, standard semi compact double front chainrings found from shimano dura ace)
@zerofrictioncycling9927 ай бұрын
Mostly yes, but there are some potential issues. the 11spd cogs and rings will not have the tooth profiles for the special extended inner link plates of the 12s chains. On straighter chain line angles this does not really come into play, but it can on higher chain line angles. These extensions MAY rub on sides of the ring / cog teeth on higher chain line angles such that this rubbing can be felt / heard (which would mean wear and friction). Many have / do run shimano 12s on 11s and report all is fantastic, but anecdotal is always to be taken with some caution as ones set up can vary from another. oh also they may not run correctly on 11s pulleys, they usually require 12s shimano compatible pulleys to run smoothly.