12 Strong | Based on a True Story

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I get to talk about the Special Forces today, but not in the way you see it in Call of Duty. No we’re talking about the history, and it is far more interesting than COD could ever portray. It’s cool stuff, but as a result, today’s movie has been rather battered about in the media.
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Doug Stanton, 12 Strong: The Declassified True Story of the Horse Soldiers (New York: Scribner, 2009). www.influencerlink.org/SHGi
US Army Combined Arms Center, A Different Kind of War: The United States Army in Operation Enduring Freedom, October 2001-September 2005 (Leavenworth, Kans.: Combat Studies Institute Press, 2010).
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Wiki: The United States Army Special Forces, colloquially known as the Green Berets due to their distinctive service headgear, are a special operations force tasked with five primary missions: unconventional warfare (the original and most important mission of Special Forces), foreign internal defense, special reconnaissance, direct action, and counter-terrorism. The first two emphasize language, cultural, and training skills in working with foreign troops. Other duties include combat search and rescue (CSAR), counter-narcotics, counter-proliferation, hostage rescue, humanitarian assistance, humanitarian demining, information operations, peacekeeping, psychological operations, security assistance, and manhunts; other components of the United States Special Operations Command (USSOCOM) or other U.S. government activities may also specialize in these secondary areas.[5] Many of their operational techniques are classified, but some nonfiction works[6] and doctrinal manuals are available.
12 Strong (also known as 12 Strong: The Declassified True Story of the Horse Soldiers) is a 2018 American action[4] war drama film directed by Nicolai Fuglsig and written by Ted Tally and Peter Craig. The film is based on Doug Stanton's non-fiction book Horse Soldiers, which tells the story of U.S. Army Special Forces sent to Afghanistan immediately after the September 11 attacks. The film stars Chris Hemsworth, Michael Shannon, Michael Peña, Navid Negahban, Trevante Rhodes, Geoff Stults, Thad Luckinbill, William Fichtner, and Rob Riggle.
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@CynicalHistorian 5 жыл бұрын

Be sure to check out Doug Stanton's book and many more with Scribd. Here's the link: www.influencerlink.org/SHGi KZfaq has demonetized this video, because they are cowards who do not believe in educational content I may not have explained my complaints of the critics hypocrisy well enough. This kind of criticism legitimately makes me angry, so let me explain it a bit further here: Critics are using this movie as a punching bag so that they can complain about the current state of the war. They refuse to accept that the war has changed over time, instead saying that it has always been one of occupation. This is blatantly false, as the movie shows, and they do not wish to be disproven, so instead they complain that movie doesn't challenge the actual war, which is not the movie's obligation. Its obligation is to the story at hand, and if pandering to anachronistic political sympathies is not within the story's ability to convey, it should NEVER change that story to fit their beliefs. Complaining that a movie does not push their anachronistic agenda is not only false, but abhorrent, for it denies the agency of basically everyone involved from Bush to Bin Laden, especially the people the story is about (ODA-595). Essentially, they are lying when they criticize the film in this way 6:00 - it is not Task Force Eagle, but Operation Eagle Claw

@knutdergroe9757 5 жыл бұрын

Thank you for the good review, I worked (as a truck driver) on this movie. I did not expect much. Me being a combat Marine. So I have not watched it. Now I will.......

@misterfonix 5 жыл бұрын

You know it would be interesting if you ever did a comprehensive video on the entire afghan war seeing as how you were a participant and a historian

@CynicalHistorian 5 жыл бұрын

@A Friendly Outlooker the Scribd call-out was on the video while it was unlisted, everything else is after release

@CynicalHistorian 5 жыл бұрын

@A Friendly Outlooker for the most part against, but sometimes a punitive expedition is simply necessary to appease the public. we live in a republic afterall

@theshenpartei 5 жыл бұрын

The Cynical Historian would you do a video on vice when it comes out on dvd, Oliver stone’s World Trade Center or the 2 fight 93 movies the first one being A&E’s made for TV movie flight 93 or universal’s United 93 ? Would you do any of those movie?

@SunflowerSocialist 5 жыл бұрын

I didn’t know Thor was a green beret

@8005010f 5 жыл бұрын

Who knew that an actor in a movie had played another role in other movies

@sirloinofice 5 жыл бұрын

I hope that Afganistan will see peace one day. It looks like it's a very beautiful country. It's a shame that the country has faced so much violence and death.

@fionafiona1146 5 жыл бұрын

The balkan saw peace 2 World Wars after the international community wanted it too... Unless the Bosnien/Serbian civil war just pushed ethnic tension below attention.

@CyborgCMorg 5 жыл бұрын

sirloinofice it def would be an outdoorsmans paradise if it wasn’t for all the killing everywhere

@fionafiona1146 5 жыл бұрын

@@CyborgCMorg... It also has less institutionalised human rights abuse... that might be trough lack of institutions 😅

@dirtybongwater5751 5 жыл бұрын

That's how mafia works

@Burkutace27 5 жыл бұрын

@@dirtybongwater5751 Lv1 Mujahideen fighter => Lv50 Mullah

@sirloinofice 5 жыл бұрын

CRITICS DON'T SEEM TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE IRAQ WAR WAS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THING! AFGHANISTAN IS NOT SAME AS IRAQ!

@RockingRooProduction 3 жыл бұрын

Alone at Dawn is also a great book that delves into the initial invasion but focuses on the Air Force CCTs attached to the ODA’s, Delta, and SEAL Teams.

@hf3923 5 жыл бұрын

7:04 that's not gustavus adolphus

@CynicalHistorian 5 жыл бұрын

I wonder if Afghanis were referencing Carolus Rex

@tecnicstudios 5 жыл бұрын

@@CynicalHistorian Charles XII was called Carolus Rex, not Gustavus, that's because Carolus Rex means King Charles.

@CynicalHistorian 5 жыл бұрын

@@tecnicstudios hah, derp. that's Sabaton's album title. dunno why I wrote that ;-)

@tecnicstudios 5 жыл бұрын

@@CynicalHistorian its fine, and I thought so... yeah might have made more sense if they called it "the Northern Wars", or "Sweden's Might", cause its not just about Carolus but the rise and fall of the Swedish Empire.

@filipringnell4083 5 жыл бұрын

It´s because there was a 8 peice album with 4 diffrent bands carolus rex I- VII with blå brigaden and ultima thule and i think that is why they namned there album carolus rex too because sabaton has some songs with the same name as the others

@thenoobinator3508 5 жыл бұрын

I'm "special" forces

@VicRattlehead6655 5 жыл бұрын

If I'm honest, I feel like this video didn't really explain _what_ the criticism you take issue with actually says. I feel like it would have been more effective if you had taken one or two specific reviews and picked specific issues you had with it. As someone who hadn't heard of the film before this video and isn't familiar with the criticism, I had a hard time understanding _what in particular_ you were so at odds with. It was mostly just very vague phrases ("political grandstanding" for or against what?) and that extremely short RT-summary.

@CynicalHistorian 5 жыл бұрын

basically, the press is calling this movie accidental propaganda, when in reality, their reviews are the actual propaganda by disguising rhetorical falsification through their "honest" criticism

@storymaker299 5 жыл бұрын

Amen

@ebarnes863 5 жыл бұрын

@@CynicalHistorian I love your videos and agree with your assessments 99.99% of the time. In this case, this would be that .1. I reluctantly watched this movie and came out as surprised when I enjoyed it. That being said, I also like vanilla ice cream and am shocked that it is not the top flavor 😱. "12 Strong" is that vanilla ice cream. In my opinion, you're taking this one too personally. It was a great movie with or without propaganda...period but everyone is a critic.

@Ok-fj4mv 3 жыл бұрын

Ok hate

@pmhops77 5 жыл бұрын

I just watched this last week. I'm very glad to find out it's accurate! I thoroughly enjoyed the movie, but the first thing I did when the movie was over was come to your channel to find out if it was accurate. I was disappointed to find you hadn't done it yet. Uncanny timing lol...

@lagerstatte1663 2 жыл бұрын

A government that exists today...

@jamesboles3717 Жыл бұрын

Yeah thought the same thing

@Dogmeat1950 5 жыл бұрын

I'm a 13F, aka Forward Observer aka FiSter, and what Cynical says is spot on. Hell right now, the only people getting kills in Afghanistan are SF,Spec ops and Fisters attached to Sniper Teams and granted even Rangers have Fisters which as you might wonder is actually an Arty MOS, but it;s the Red Headed Child of the Arty Family mainly because we are mainly attached to Infantry units of all kinds,Cav Units and even Armor. hell we use to have COLT Teams which was a 4 man FO team used to scout and Observer. But Calling for Fire is the Most Destructive Force on the Battlefield and let me tell you, Guiding in something like a B-52 for CAS missions takes some work lol

@CynicalHistorian 5 жыл бұрын

We actually had one of you guys attached to us for a couple months. Made using the COLT super easy for the rest of the tour

@terrygrossmann2295 5 жыл бұрын

If I didn’t watch a movie due to critics reviews, I would have missed out some great movies.

@philswift1252 5 жыл бұрын

I think you mistook Operation Eagle Claw as Task Force Eagle.

@CynicalHistorian 5 жыл бұрын

good catch

@midgetwthahacksaw 5 жыл бұрын

This book is on my "to read" list! Good to know the film was good too!

@andreww830 3 жыл бұрын

Sincerely, thank you for making this video! When it first came out, I was dimly aware of its reception and passed it off as typical "jingoistic America action movie." I'm honestly excited to watch this movie now, on your recommendation.

@grogu5453 3 жыл бұрын

LOVED the way you covered 13 hours! Excellent job. I'm with you on a Dakota Meyer movie. I like the way Peter Berg does true military stories. I think he approaches it respectfully and would do a solid job

@goodman4966 5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for a good video!

@justinpipes85 5 жыл бұрын

Now that was a great review. Based on just seeing the trailer i was kinda torn on whether or not I wanted to see this film. But I most definitely want to see it now. Thank you sir

@pjny21 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for explaining 'SF'. My father was a Green Beret so I appreciate it!

@dewittbourchier7169 5 жыл бұрын

Movie idea: The Raid on Sontay. One of the most badass episodes in US Special Forces history, that ultimately ended up being for nothing - but still badass. Second Movie Idea: The Blunders of Grenada. An expose docudrama about how the invasion of Grenada, far from being a triumph, was a bungled operation, especially at the Special Forces level. Delta Force got ambushed and pinned down by Cuban Conscripts. Embarrassing, but also a teachable moment. NEVER underestimate your standard issue regular soldier.

@tabacila 5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for this review. When I saw the trailer I dismissed it as a silly make believe war movie. Will give it a try now. Keep up the good work!

@stalinsoulz7872 5 жыл бұрын

this the reason why i watched you vids before i watch based of a true story movies really

@fuzzydunlop7928 5 жыл бұрын

I really wish the prison battle and the whole story surrounding it and its aftermath would get its own film. Fun Fact: One of the surviving POWs was an American, John Walker Lindh ( that might actually be him at 8:07 ), currently serving out the rest of his twenty-year sentence in prison. Guess he's only got around a year or so left, eh?

@CynicalHistorian 5 жыл бұрын

In the book, he actually gets an entire storyline unto himself. Fascinating stuff

@fuzzydunlop7928 5 жыл бұрын

@@CynicalHistorian He became an Irish citizen while in prison through his grandmother. Would be smart to leave the country, were I him. He's said - at least as of 2013 - that he still believes in violent action as a means of opposition. Wonder if he'll try to make friends with what's left of the Irish Nationalist groups or if he's tired of it all. He's only 37, which is incredible. I think I was 9 when the invasion of Afghanistan kicked off. I'll definitely check out that book. Maybe even through Scribd ;P

@TheHoagie13 4 жыл бұрын

Yup-Yup... I was in the ARNG-MN as a 25U (Signal Support Systems Specialist) for 8yrs; a 6x2YR Contract, $20,000 Enlistment Bonus. You know, "Fort Boredom" (Fort Gordon) JOEJUHHH! x-D Unfortunately, while my Company (HHC/"HQ" Company 2-147th Assault Helicopter Battalion) was deploying to Kuwait, *I FACED ABJECT POVERTY, BEING HOMELESS FOR ALMOST FOUR FUCKING YEARS!!!* From 1APR2014 to 3JAN2018.....

@TheHoagie13 4 жыл бұрын

Being homeless SUCKS! Being homeless IN MINNESOTA REALLY SUCKED!!!

@danielniffenegger7698 3 жыл бұрын

My complaint was that it felt too squeezed in order to fit a standard movie; they should have made it a “Band of Brothers” style miniseries. The opening days of Operation Enduring Freedom/Invasion of Afghanistan had a ton of nuance. They all but deleted the 2nd ODA and had to fabricate an explanation for the Pincer Maneuver at the end (where did the 2nd force come from?), the rival warlords, the 160th SOAR’s incredible courage as they flew Special Forces through then unknown white mist of snow, sleet and sand; the CIA’s KIA’s story, and numerous others’ sacrifices. There was so much more to tell!

@sethennis3316 9 ай бұрын

My dad remembers these guy as he was stationed next to 5th group in Campbell when 9/11 happened. My dad was part of the initial invasion.

@Tom-eq7eh 5 жыл бұрын

Okay, I'm not that pro war or intervention and definetly anti-vietnam. But Afghanistan is not like vietnam like the press wants it to be, and the problem with the media reviewing the movie is that they don't understand this, in Afghanistan the coalition is intervening on the side of the people and a non tryanous government, this was ofcourse the opposite in Vietnam.

@thefrenchbaguette919 7 ай бұрын

"sitting up the gouvernement which exists today" that aged well

@CynicalHistorian 7 ай бұрын

The word "today" is rather explicit and has no ability to age whatsoever. Think a little

@thefrenchbaguette919 7 ай бұрын

@@CynicalHistorian I don't know if you're being serious or not but doesn't matter I changed so no confusion

@gratuitouslurking8610 5 жыл бұрын

Eh, it's not just movies that get shafted cus of the 'dude too soon' types. There was a video game also going to be set in the events of the Afganistan stuff but it basically got screamed down by critics before it even got to a playable state. I'm honestly not even sure how Battlefield or COD got away with it, because they were fictionalized? I dunno, screw reality sometimes.

@gumgumdookuin7963 5 жыл бұрын

Actually Black ops 2 got law suited by two people to my knowledge. One of them was a very important person.

@user-nt6lt1ji2m 5 жыл бұрын

Gratuitous Lurking that was Six Days in Fallujah right?

@gratuitouslurking8610 5 жыл бұрын

@@user-nt6lt1ji2m Sound about right. Was a bit ago and my memory's shite.

@robertnorthup8583 5 жыл бұрын

Big shocker that the press uses a film like this to further there own narrative. Saw the movie movie the other day. Like Cypher was also surprised. From the previews I thought it would be mehh! Another great video. Keep em coming.

@moin7427 2 жыл бұрын

That Dostum just ran away a few days ago...

@corycody6967 3 жыл бұрын

“The Only Thing Worth Dying For” ties in to “Horse Soldiers”. It follows an ODA that snuck Karzia into southern Afghanistan. The interim SecDef, Chris Miller is a character in the book. Loved your review, brother. I was in Afghanistan just after you, 2010-11, in Kabul.

@Jarod-vg9wq 4 жыл бұрын

I saw this with my father a month of two ago and I loved it, bless America and Afghanistan 🇦🇫 I hope both find peace oneday.

@fenixdown22 4 жыл бұрын

Love it

@fuzzyhair217 5 жыл бұрын

Can you look at the historical accuracy of The Devil’s Brigade? I used to love watching that movie

@kylez8010 5 жыл бұрын

Wasn't surprised to see Michael Pena. Seems like he'll be in every war or cop movie. Just added it to my NF queue.

@GodOfWar221 5 жыл бұрын

I personally, quite enjoyed the film. I loved the fact, that it wasn't a blown out....Hollywood version of what the world sees "Special Forces" as being. You know, creeping along in the dark....slitting the throat of a sentry or two...and then taking a five hundred yard shot..and sneaking off again. No, this was gritty...and exciting. Great review.

@EO-jr7li 3 жыл бұрын

Some books I know which do a good job covering green beret’s history. SOG- written by John Plaster a Vietnam era green beret. Covering special operations during Vietnam, particularly actions into Laos and Cambodia. And being the lose inspiration for Call of Duty Black Ops. Surprise, Kill, Vanish - written primarily based off accounts from Billy Waugh an original and long serving member of the special forces, who went on to serve in the CIA, and was a veteran of Korea, Vietnam, and Afghanistan. A long with Lewis C. Merletti a Vietnam era green beret, who would go onto the secret service, eventually becoming its director. Although the book focuses primarily on the two men and on where and with whom they served, it also gives a general overview on all special operations forces, and clandestine services starting in WW2. Inside Delta Force- written by Eric L Haney an army ranger turned original member of Delta force. Talking about the formation and early operations of Delta Force. (disclaimer this book was disputed by many former comrades of the author) Delta Force- written by Charlie Beckwith a Vietnam era green beret, and the founder of Delta Force. Talking about special operations in Vietnam, and the founding and early operations of Delta Force.

@AshlandMan 5 жыл бұрын

Where's Mjuln... Mju... Thor's hammer joke..

@UndeadSlayer5 5 жыл бұрын

Will u be doing a video on the disaster artist?

@CynicalHistorian 5 жыл бұрын

nope. not really anything to say. the movie was just meh

@johngoin707 5 жыл бұрын

Last time I checked, it was Lyndon B. Johnson who escalated the Vietnam War.

@ryanh4775 2 жыл бұрын

This was a great video as always you are very thorough.... However I have always speculated whether or not the Northern alliance named and gave out their horses back stories like we do here... I know they do it in other countries as well.... Like one of the horses could have linked up with the other Northern alliance horses because he was an ardent communist and the Taliban horses just bullied him out of the herd because of it.

@madcat789 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for your service, by the by

@rumo893 5 жыл бұрын

Just 12 dudes...and their afghan allies. So not just 12 dudes. They had a whole civil war army at their backs. That is what I would criticize on western view of Afghanistan. It’s not NATO vs Taliban with some auxiliaries. It’s northern alliance vs taliban, with some NATO dudes in between, calling in air strikes, later protecting Safe Zones. Strangely, even at my university they didn’t catch that little detail. I mean, that it’s always been a civil war

@rs2085 3 жыл бұрын

I’m a 5th Grouper and I can say we are proud of our history.

@ehrldawg 5 жыл бұрын

This is one of the few movies at the theater last yaer.

@Bigrago1 3 жыл бұрын

15:33 I find that would make a good sequel. Though I doubt that will happen because for some reason Hollywood doesn't make historical trilogies or anything like that. T he closest I've seen to a series of historical film where each movie has some form of connection are three South Korean films that are centered around the Battle of Inchon(first movie being Operation Chromite, the second is called The Battle of Jangsari and the third isn't out yet as far as I know). Though most of the charaters are fictional and overblow(sometimes literally) the events compared to what actually happened(at least the first movie, I haven't seen the second one).

@Euan_Miller43 4 жыл бұрын

No green berets were wounded until after the ‘prison battle’ and there was certainly no Chinook evacuation until after that

@Ben-tb5di 5 жыл бұрын

Good video! But question, would the U.S. already have spec ops already in WW2 if you count the U.S. Rangers and Frogmen?

@CynicalHistorian 5 жыл бұрын

Rangers and frogmen have very different jobs from special forces

@Ben-tb5di 5 жыл бұрын

@@CynicalHistorian Gotcha, thanks!

@eddvoss224 4 жыл бұрын

There was a unit during WWII, the First Special Service Force, a joint US and Canadian outfit that was known as the Devils Brigade. They are considered as inspiration for Special Forces. The reason that the original SF Group was designated as 10th SFG was so that the Russians would think that there were 9 others.

@chrisoost4795 5 жыл бұрын

Can you do "Kelly's Heroes"?

@mumblingmarvic8969 5 жыл бұрын

Pls do heneral luna, Machine gun preacher, The great raid, Lord of war, Catch me if you can

@richarddeutsch7614 5 жыл бұрын

Could you do a review of Cidade de Deus/City of God (2002)

@leakymonkey 5 жыл бұрын

speaking of 12, you should def do The 12th Man on Netflix :D I enjoyed the fack out of it

@Crazy-pl1lo 3 жыл бұрын

Should have mention that the bomb was a friendly and also took out a t55 tank that was brought up for support

@Aarzu 4 жыл бұрын

The only issue I had with the movie was the start when they seemed to do the obligatory Daddy/Husband is going off to war and there's tensions in the family because of it, with one of the character's wives even threatening to leave with their kids if he goes...because, you know, only a couple thousand people died in the 9/11 attacks and he could clearly say "Sorry, I can't go out and play with you this time, my wife says no." Other than that, I thought it was pretty good and I think Army Special Forces are one of the most interesting units under USSOCOM because of how their specific mission is to train locals in guerrilla warfare.

@angramainyu335 3 жыл бұрын

I just watched it. 7 out of 10

@JustaRandomGuy890 5 жыл бұрын

Telling an amazing story≠telling it good. You're treating film critics like historian when they clearly don't care about history

@BountyFlamor 5 жыл бұрын

But they should and Cipher correctly pointed out why.

@JustaRandomGuy890 5 жыл бұрын

@@BountyFlamor no

@Ma_ksi 5 жыл бұрын

I wonder what is your opinion of the fact that US supported the Taliban and Ragon compared them to the US founding fathers

@CynicalHistorian 5 жыл бұрын

The US also supported many of what would become the Northern Alliance during the Soviet invasion. It is not a good way to look at the history of Afghanistan if one draws direct links from US support of the Mujahadeen to any side during the ensuing civil war, because that forgets all context and causality

@sirloinofice 5 жыл бұрын

@@CynicalHistorian in a way the Afghan Civil War never ended.

@RandyLeftHandy 5 жыл бұрын

Watch the third Rambo movie. It's a mind fuck these days.

@brianmead7556 5 жыл бұрын

@@CynicalHistorian " The Cynical Historian 3 weeks ago The US also supported many of what would become the Northern Alliance during the Soviet invasion. It is not a good way to look at the history of Afghanistan if one draws direct links from US support of the Mujahadeen to any side during the ensuing civil war, because that forgets all context and causality" The Afghan War is my pet subject, but I couldn't've written it better.

@dimitriosdrossidis9633 5 жыл бұрын

That's a good Video Mate. Also a good movie, but don't be surprised how reviewers get everything wrong or see politics were it doesn't exist. They are just really stupid sometimes

@Excalibur01 2 жыл бұрын

20 years later

@DevinMoorhead 5 жыл бұрын

Initiating moisture

@killerone807 5 жыл бұрын

Sorry my bad the royal Marines commandos was formed in 1942

@lordrotarec 5 жыл бұрын

Critical opinion is inherently based on the current context of the release. And currently, Americans are increasingly more disillusioned with the imperialist wars the US is waging against smaller countries. You may not like their view, but it's not unreasonable to hold it.

@DammitBobby 5 жыл бұрын

Just because the sentiment among the nation is anti war doesn't necessarily make the movie pro war either. Like Cypher said, you should analyze the movie based on the merits it gives you. If the critical reception is that the plot is shallow when it's based off of a true story, that seems pretty dishonest

@lordrotarec 5 жыл бұрын

@@DammitBobby I get his position, but you can never really "just judge something on its merits". That's why after the Second World War most war movies were about driving out the fascists, and not "subversive looks" like "Unsere Mütter Unsere Väter". The latter could be very competent and accurate movies, but most people would not really feel like watching those. On the other note, Cipher is a US vet from Afghanistan, and he is obviously fond of that background - so you could also say he is quite biased because of that perspective.

@puellanivis 5 жыл бұрын

They are also focused on entirely different things. Historians care about the history, but film critics care about… the film, devoid of any particular context beyond that constructed by the film itself. :/

@araxiel569 5 жыл бұрын

This movie is about a dozen special forces bros, allying with a corrupt (former) communist warlord so they can use his Afghani warboys as a meatshield. Their main enemy is a bunch of other Afghanis armed with 50 year old captured cold-war era equipment and Kalashnikovs. And their goal is to look at them with a laser pointer, so spaceships can nuke them from orbit. There's simply not the same skin in the game as fighting against the literal Nazis in a global total war. Our spec ops heroes are not fighting to stop an invasion of their home, they're not even fighting for freedom; they're fighting so a local allied warlord can gain more power. And you can call my view of this piece of entertainment media subjective; but not only is it a piece of entertainment you have to pay money for and thus subjective customer opinion is literally the only thing that matters, it also has the backing and support of the department of defence, and I ain't a fan of government propaganda glamorizing a war that is still being fought as we speak.

@justinpipes85 5 жыл бұрын

@@araxiel569 hey man... someone's gotta fight for our herion supply and rare earth minerals.

@gumgumdookuin7963 5 жыл бұрын

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't John Kennedy not want to be involved in Vietnam? I get he didn't like communism as much as the next guy but I was mainly told by people on youtube (one being Alternate history hub) that he was no fan of going to war and didn't really trust his generals, or joint chiefs if I'm saying this right.

@CynicalHistorian 5 жыл бұрын

What people point to as proof of that sentiment is one thing written between him and the SecDef, and it was about how poorly he was running the show. People just want to believe that he was against the very way he started, but that isn't backed by evidence

@gumgumdookuin7963 5 жыл бұрын

@@CynicalHistorian Guess that shows the knowledge we have on our more special folk these days.

@fireshack6485 3 жыл бұрын

Kennedy was afraid losing another Asian country to communism, just like Truman and Eisenhower. The Pentagon Papers make this very clear. Fear of losing domestic votes drove American involvement in SE Asia.

@henryficklin3333 3 жыл бұрын

Can I get a link for the statement that the CIA supported the Northern Alliance before 9/11?

@CynicalHistorian 3 жыл бұрын

It's in the 9/11 commission report, shown on screen

@matthewcouvillion252 5 жыл бұрын

Ok that clip in 7:10 the lion from the north I thought that was gustovos adolfus

@CynicalHistorian 5 жыл бұрын

I can't speak Farsi, but the original was شیر پنجشیر‎. They obviously don't have a European heritage, so it is not a related term to them

@KieranM22 5 жыл бұрын

at the sponsor: "wow i wonder if this is audibl... what the fuck?!"

@spore1176 4 жыл бұрын

Don’t forget about Air Force combat controller Bart decker #airforce

@killerone807 5 жыл бұрын

The sas was made in 1941 and the royal Marines commandos was made in 1941

@GUNROCKS1990 4 жыл бұрын

I like green beret and northern alliance having to work as a team.

@markmclarnon7035 5 жыл бұрын

Is there queen video going

@CynicalHistorian 5 жыл бұрын

In the middle of reading for that right now. In the device I'm writing this, I'm listening to a biography right now. I'm using Scribd BTW😉

@cooltalktalks4944 5 жыл бұрын

Good video. I haven’t seen the movie, in fact I never heard of it. I will now I’m a historian and movie lover as well. I understand your point but would like to know if your dissatisfaction with the critics is because their political agenda is different from yours or because they may have legitimately not liked the movie? I also wanted to point out that I like the movie JFK but if it had been just as technically good and promoted an anti-conspiracy theory then I probably would have given it a thumbs down. You see? I believe there was a conspiracy theory so my bias gets in the way. For the record, I don’t consider JFK accurate history, just a well done compilation of what-ifs that I enjoyed I’m rambling, anyway, keep up the good work. I also invite you to check out my historical videos as well. Take care!

@jerryjarrells724 5 жыл бұрын

As someone who read the book, to me, the movie was a big let down. I’d much rather see it portrayed as an HBO miniseries etc. I think that formula would fit the scope of this story better

@killerone807 5 жыл бұрын

the greens are based on the royal marines and delta is based on the SAS

@CynicalHistorian 5 жыл бұрын

yet the UKSF wasn't created until 1987, so you could say that the basis for your special forces is ours. in reality, it was the OSS that had a basis on the UK's SOE, not SAS or royal marines directly

@killerone807 5 жыл бұрын

@@CynicalHistorian yet if you look up the history of the greens even they say that they based themselves off of the RM commandos and charlie beckwith even said delta is based on the sas

@CheapSkateGamer96 5 жыл бұрын

@@killerone807 Armies copy each other in command structure. What else is new?

@__Man_ 3 жыл бұрын

Can someone please tell me who Mullah Razzan is based on?

@jurtra9090 2 жыл бұрын

Mullah Rahman

@MaceGaming53 3 жыл бұрын

The numbering of the special forces units was to disinform the Soviets I believe

@aidanernst2199 3 жыл бұрын

yeah it was the seal and udt teams did the same thing for that reason

@ikeflaherty8910 4 жыл бұрын

How does everyone get a hold of all this Vietnam footage? just wondering.

@CynicalHistorian 4 жыл бұрын

documentaries

@ikeflaherty8910 4 жыл бұрын

@@CynicalHistorian ah, I was under the impression everyone had some database where theres just a stockpile of old footage. How do documentaries get them anyway?

@CynicalHistorian 4 жыл бұрын

@@ikeflaherty8910 lots of ways, but mostly using stock footage databases that cost $$$, like Critical Past, Getty, or news agencies. Then there's docs that actually get footage from people to use for the first time. So there's lots of ways to go about it

@ikeflaherty8910 4 жыл бұрын

@@CynicalHistorian interesting, thanks.

@tecnicstudios 5 жыл бұрын

I can get where the movie's critics are coming from but I don't believe their reasoning is an excuse to give it bad reviews for the reasons they gave to why its bad.

@tonyabayman2344 5 жыл бұрын

As much as I hate to say it, I really thought this movie was quite boring. And this really sucks for me to say because I have a truly unnatural love and obsession with SF.

@noahsabin7386 4 жыл бұрын

Could you do a book review?

@CynicalHistorian 4 жыл бұрын

I've done a couple, but the views are abysmal

@gooby8953 4 жыл бұрын

So... What IS with the water bottle door thing?

@CynicalHistorian 4 жыл бұрын

just something we all did to make does close

@notfunny6369 5 жыл бұрын

Why do people even listen to film critics. Most of what they say is there to make them look smarter than everyone. Anyone can watch a movie

@sidharthcs2110 4 жыл бұрын

SAS were on that prison

@DissentingDogLevi 4 жыл бұрын

But did the Operators actually perform drive-by shootings on horseback in a head on attack?

@CynicalHistorian 4 жыл бұрын

According to their AARs, they performed a number of cavalry charges

@johndoeanon445 5 жыл бұрын

So... Uh... What were the water bottles for?

@CynicalHistorian 5 жыл бұрын

Self closing doors

@johndoeanon445 5 жыл бұрын

@@CynicalHistorian Ah, I see. Why though? Temperature regulation? Or just convenience?

@CynicalHistorian 5 жыл бұрын

@@johndoeanon445 convenience

@ryanelliott71698 5 жыл бұрын

I would love to se the battle of Alesia.

@DammitBobby 5 жыл бұрын

Not gunna lie. When I initially saw the trailer for this movie, I brushed it off as pro war propoganda. But after seeing your review I will give it a shot. You do your fucking hw and shoot straight so I believe you when you say it's a good movie.

@CynicalHistorian 5 жыл бұрын

funny thing is the book is extremely pro-war, taking entire chunks to talk about how evil the taliban is, and the movie hardly delves into that (w/ the exception of one scene that is still accurate)

@whm_w8833 5 жыл бұрын

Thought the Army was the best in world. I’m sorry to hear the Army bureaucracy is the worst.

@Koala1203 4 жыл бұрын

40 feeble minded critics disliked this video

@williamolliges2622 3 жыл бұрын

I expected you to piss all over this movie. I suspected that “the charge of the light brigade” was a Hollywood glorification. I liked the movie and it’s unapologetic nature. As both a horseman and military history buff the movie and books clicked a couple of my boxes. I’m happy to continue to enjoy this film without any apologies to the history with my usual drivel of, “it’s a damn movie. Movies are for entertainment. Screw off, and so on.

@BenFilangeri Жыл бұрын

The northern alliance defeated the taliban and set up the government that stands today… that did not age well AT ALL

@spiderbat4956 5 жыл бұрын

I know you don't like critics bashing a movie with subject matter you are personally attatched to, however you can't just label them idiots. It's not hard to understand why they're upset. They shouldn't rate a movie lower because of their personal feelings , so point taken. However no one is fighting for freedom, and no one ever was in these wars. That's the sad reality, and that's why some people don't like the military. A thank you for your service these days feels like mandatory window dressing, and not an earned gesture of respect and admiration. World War 2 on the other hand was completely different. Those men were heroes.

@CynicalHistorian 5 жыл бұрын

they didn't fight for Afghani's freedom? that is very incorrect

@trainconductorlenin1616 5 жыл бұрын

@@CynicalHistorian I'm sorry what? The invasion of Afghanistan happened because the Taliban refused to give up Osama bin Laden after 9/11. I don't mean to denigrate the individual characters of soldiers who served in the conflict but what they thought they were fighting for on the basis of US government propaganda and what they actually were fighting for are two different things.

@CynicalHistorian 5 жыл бұрын

@@trainconductorlenin1616 if it were purely that, then we would have sent regular troops throughout the country immediately. instead, we helped Afghani freedom fighters take their country back. that's the point of using the special forces

@trainconductorlenin1616 5 жыл бұрын

@@CynicalHistorian Freedom fighters is an entirely subjective term. You could just as easily call them warlords and they were probably more unpopular than the taliban. You're also presuming there was some widespread disaffection with the Taliban which led to their fall and not the fact the US military was performing a widespread bombing campaign or that they were helping arm and supply these warlords.

@CynicalHistorian 5 жыл бұрын

@@trainconductorlenin1616 the northern alliance was led by warlords, especially Dostum. But if you honestly believe that there wasn't widespread disaffection for the Taliban, you'd be incredibly mistaken. Even if it is a subjective term, you have the example of WWII, which was arguably less about freedom or democracy than Afghanistan, so the term is quite apt

@bennettroberts4155 4 жыл бұрын

Movie was fucking terrible. But the book by Doug Stanton was amazing

@skirk248 4 жыл бұрын

This movie was to short.

@KyMeatRocket 4 жыл бұрын

I just found your channel recently and have been devouring the content. Its a shame I now have to stop watching because you're CAV, that's just gross dude. All jokes aside excellent content.

@zachmedrano4569 3 жыл бұрын

Guy likes to see other guys naked I guess 🤷🏻😆

@czarpeppers6250 5 жыл бұрын

I find the criticism towards this movie rather ridiculous, and frankly I'm a massive critic of US imperialism and proud leftist beta male cuck (but please don't call me a libtard, I find being called a liberal very insulting). Sure, it is important to look at the systems of power that create these wars and the motives behind them, and in this case the geo-politics that led up to 9/11. But at the same time it is also important to take an honest look at the people on the ground and their sacrifices. Whether or not you think what those sacrifices were for were worth it.

@Jarod-vg9wq 4 жыл бұрын

4:20 damn I’m gonna remember that quote.

@Ma_ksi 5 жыл бұрын

5:04 so they were war criminals

@boysgangBkkp8 5 жыл бұрын

Maksimiljan Gale learn to spell please.

@Karelwolfpup 5 жыл бұрын

@Maksimiljan Gale care to explain how you come to that conclusion?

@Ma_ksi 5 жыл бұрын

@@Karelwolfpup the Vietnam part

@Karelwolfpup 5 жыл бұрын

what about the Vietnam part?

@CynicalHistorian 5 жыл бұрын

how? that is not a crime by any standard. later on, when they started doing special missions for the CIA, like I point to in the video, yeah (it was actually called "the green beret affair," but that's 1968-70). But that makes no sense to call a crime

@cosmothecreator 5 жыл бұрын

Next you should do Blackkklansman or Bohemian Rapsody

@CynicalHistorian 5 жыл бұрын

Working on them

@nerobruno 4 жыл бұрын

Movie sucked. Nobody reloads a SINGLE time but they have magical guns so they keep shooting. The only time Thor is seen to reload a magazine is AFTER he fired the last round in the movie. A nice fashion show reload for the photographers. 😂🤣 PS All Middle-East clichés are covered and Saudi Arabia was not mentioned once. 😒