We had guys that did it in basic as well lol

The Cynical Historian could have* not could of

Wrong. Did it in AIT. Did it basic. Did it on the post. Did it in HS. It's a fun game.

Talk about the movie Courage Under Fire.

The Cynical Historian Thank you for ruining that scene where he got injured I can never take it seriously

Doss is the opposite end of the Seventh Day Adventist spectrum from David Koresh.

Yeah, but injuring yourself at basic training is pretty dumb, esp. at the first day.

We called it chicken. But yeah we played it all through out high school and middle school. Only 1 injury tho, kid caught it in the side of the calf.

@@alexanderchristopher6237 yes it is dumb... but we did it anyway, because we were teenager's

Alexander Christopher you’d be surprised at the amount of stupid people in the military bro

Yea we have that in the Swedish scouts too, although it's more often with a sharpened stake.

Medics always have an amazing sense of humor too.

I have seen that to be true many times.

Half the reason I became one. Flip side of that was my grandfather, also in Korea, gave up his aid bag and reclassified to 11B because he felt he was losing more than he could save and was better suited as a rifleman. He also paid a guy a carton of Lucky’s to get out of an OB rotation, and there’s hardly any pictures of the man without a lit cigarette, so I get the impression that he was poorly suited to the job in the first place.

During Operations in the Middle East the Medics and the Chaplains had the highest bounty on their head.

I was a medic I never considered myself brave just doing something I wanted to do it carries over into real life glad I could help and still do 1972 to 1978 go army

Was he killed or just wounded? I’m just curious.

@@allenrosales9738 If I remember correctly, the man hit by the rock was only wounded

Wow. Either God loves this guy or the archives are incomplete.

@@johnbigwick3027 apparently a japanese was found later who had been trying to shoot him off the ridge as he lowered people down. his weapon repeatedly refused to fire according to him.

@TheWorldsprayer Speculations say that was a cover up story.

"Well any time sweet heart"....

Yeah, he was just way too old

I watch rosscreations do that dumb shit all the time.

when my brother was writing me letters from basic, if he had included boys throwing knives at each other, I definitely wouldn’t have been surprised. If you’ve ever put a bunch of 18 year old boys together you know stupid dangerous shit happening is an inevitably lol

I do this with a buddy when my unit goes to the field

I remember seeing a version when I was a kid where they would get into the splits and go further out as they threw the knife to add to the challenge. They were kinda bone heads so I didn't stay to see the final result. I think it was less of a you hit my foot and loose and more of a I give up or fall over because I can't keep my balance.

You forgot to say that while playing mumbly peg you moved the foot closest to the knife in until it touched it, then took your turn and the loser was the person who was unwilling to go on. (I actually played this dumb ass game as a teenager a lot)

I am pretty sure you mean Hiroo Onada, he surrendered in 1974. But there was one Japanese soldier Teruo Nakamura on Morotai in Indonesia, who did not surrender until June 1979.

Well that movie would mostly be one guy doing nothing on an island lol.

oh that guy who did not surrender and reached to the president of the Philippines

George Miles he didn’t sit there doing nothing he and his squad conducted a war that caused 30 deaths

@@ethanrumley8459. No there was a solider who from 1944 to 1970 something he continued to fight until he was the only one left of his unit. He was cleared of his crimes. For more info check out the vid on the solider by simple history.

That's a story for sabaton song.

Yeah honestly I would love to see a movie on John Chapman or Roy Benavidez personally but I've heard of who are you talking about and that also would be pretty cool

@@chrisprizzle278 never heard of them

Thank you for that!!

An equally inspirational and astounding story is that of Tibor Rubin. - a MOH Recipient for actions in the “Korean conflict”

i got to see him speak at a pathfinder campree in MI when i was a kid. my wife knew him

I live in the same county he died in, and I frequently drive on a road named after him, it's too bad I never got to meet him.

I knew him very well for many years and heard him recount his story more than once. I think the movie did him justice even with the minor changes

FreeDWooD Yo Same!! I thought I was the only one who does that lol

Well this was in real life. Not a video game............... Experience NOT the same...

Take a seat, son, and listen to what Mr. Doss has to say xd

Haha review channel inception, I love it!

RedTeamReview same

RedTeamReview Same, man

Dude, you are literally everywhere I go.

Michael Akkerman Because the americans never had a point du hoc.

I think he exaggerated the height on purpose in order to show the intensity of the battle. This is often done in war films so audience could somewhat feel the epic-ness.

What does that mean?

Didn't think I'd find you here.

Probably just want to pay a homage the other World War II battle of Point Du Hoc using one movie.

South Park said it well "say what you will about Mel Gibson, but the son of a bitch knows story structure."

Say what you want about Mel Gibson, he is a natural born movie maker, behind or in front of the camera.

My Nipples! They hurt when you *TWIST THEM*

*Say what you want about Mel Gibson, but Braveheart told a better story than Outlaw King. Historically inaccurate, but a better story.*

Without Braveheart, most people would have never heard the name William Wallace. Even in most history books, the Scottish war of independance is a sidenote at best.

Ya European had rules of wars.... like you dont shoot the pilots while falling down with their chuts, you capture them when they touch the ground.

Brian Mcbrian those Japanese don't give a damn about "honor" with their enemy Honor among themself, not the enemy

They aren't dishonorable, they just perceive it differently. For example, if the emperor ordered you to kill someone, you'd resort to anything, even stab in the back to fulfill the emperor's will, and that is perceived as honorable. Failing to do so would be seen as dishonorable.

Uh oh someone got their historical facts wrong.

if he did nt like braveheart he would not have liked the patriot.

Topeto Barnes how is this related to the movie?

Topeto Barnes oh right the knife at the feet I thought you meant five finger fillet

Did this with shovels at camp too

i used to play mumbly peg as a kid and i once had a knife go through my sneaker between my big toe and the next toe. it was a weird sensation. btw we were using my sykes fair bairn command knife to play with.

I was so bad at mumbly people quit playing with me...lol think about that.

I've seen that critique a few times (normally too angry to respond to). So I've got a question then. What is the second coming of Christ (Advent) if not a rapture? What is the difference?

The Cynical Historian. Okay the rapture is a 19th century creation where 4400 people will be secretly taken to heaven for a period of time so that the people left behind can have a chance to get things right. For Seventh Day Adventists, Jesus will return to claim his people, (not just Adventists) it will be an event that everyone living will see. Just a small example. 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17. For the Lord himself will come down from heaven with a rousing cry, with a call from the ruling angels, & with God's trumpet; those who died united with Christ will be the first to rise; then we who are left still alive will be caught up with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air; & thus we will always be with the Lord. So encourage each other with these words. And Revelation 1:7. Look! He is coming with the clouds! Every eye will see him, including those who preceded him; & all the tribes of the Land will mourn him. Yes! Amen! So it says "every eye will see him." Not a secret, but a very loud event. That's just a simple example. Anyway the translation this came from was a Complete Jewish Bible. I have several translations but I kinda like this one. Anyway thanks for getting back to me. Hope you weren't offended, because I wasn't, especially since it gave me a chance to share some. Hope it was helpful.

This is a helpful explanation. Thanks

That was bonkers, and rather silly when you think that rifle bullets from Arisakas would just rip right through any torso. Him dragging a guy while the dude shoots backwards was hilarious too.

Patton (1970) had a sequel. It was a Made-for-TV movie from 1986 with George C. Scott himself reprising his role as Patton. It's called "The Last Days of Patton." Basically, it picks up where the original movie left off.

I refer to that scene as the Discount Rambo scene. It’s directed by the original Mad Max, so it makes sense he would have such things in his movie.

I thought it was quite stupid. I was expecting him to be shot only for doss to rescue him

That scene ruined the film for me. I prefer Flags of our Fathers / Letters from Iwo Jima and The Pacific as more realistic interpretations of Pacific theatre battles. This was just too much.

I dunno, I think a helicopter accidentally getting in one of the shots is definitely the director's responsibility

I'm sure the helicopter is the one thing he was talking about. Yea, just that.

Wallace also wrote We were soldiers by himself but yh

@DynamicX Uhh, Mel Gibson is presenting himself as Jesus dying on a cross on Braveheart. I'm pretty sure Mel Gibson is responsible for numerous historical inaccuracies, including costume and forgetting about the bridge in the The Battle of Stirling Bridge. And of course, being the director he could have turned the project down, had it rewritten, or used a different writer all together. The Director must assume responsibility of his own decisions.

Mel does not do history, many of his movies are fiction sold as history.

Interesting point. What would you call his ideological position instead?

Do you have an opinion on HBO's Rome or John Adams? Also, have you ever seen TNT's 1997 miniseries "Rough Riders" starring Tom Berenger as Theodore Roosevelt?

I not sure maybe some kind of religious non-violence that is tolerant of different actions . The interesting thing is that he doesn't apply his moral standard to others and even helps them break it. I obliviously don't know what he thinks but If he just follows the religious doctrine he helps other people with actions that bring the to hell. So he seems a bit strange to me

How about "Conscientious Cooperator"?

Well it is true but I don't think it covers the main point of personally not killing but using all other ways to support the war

Doug Wright I am a disabled veteran and this still takes place today. It happens because we see it not as taking from us but just another sacrifice we must make. If the American people want to help then they will stand up and fight for us. Most of us believe is selfless service.

I agree full heartedly with what you’ve said, as the Veterans of this nation have forged the present of not only the US but the world itself and to not give them the compensation/ reward for risking their lives for our nation is sickening. However, to address your last statement; the reason we paid to rebuild Europe through the Marshall plan was to contain communism, build up allies, and to make sure another world war never happened again. The treaty of Versailles which ended WW1 helped create WW2 as Germany was forced to pay up all costs of the war. Which led to the conditions that allowed Hitler to rise up. The allies didn’t want to cause another world war.

Thank you, You wrote what I have known all my life. But I am not good at writing. My Father was a WWII MARINE CORPS vet, when he needed help back in the 1950's the VA would not help. I am a Desert shield/Desert Storm MARINE CORPS vet.

John Basilone was killed in action on Iwo Jima!

2016 is not an old movie

Yo brother I to was medic a long time ago loved fort Sam u never 4get what they taught u brother in arms

I'm of the Baptist persuasion but learned to respect the Adventists from watching 3ABN some years ago. I don't use the word "pride" much, but I thought the Adventists had reason to be proud of how Desmond Doss lived his faith. Now, to your "falling away," I don't know what spurred it and I'm not trying to convert you to my persuasion (which has its faults I know). Don't let go of Jesus. I believe you'll find your way back - and when you do, you'll realize that He never left you. So, re-assess and rejoin the war: we need you.

The American Soldiers I knew while I was growing up were still talking about Audie Murphy when I was a kid in the early 1960's.

Or the fact Audie Murphy had some of his own actions toned down for the movie because they were too unbelievable a movie going audience wouldn't take the film seriously. To Hell and Back is a pretty boss film. Shame it wasn't an M10 at the end, but hey, those probably weren't so easy to find at that time. At least they got a Sherman.

I really want to see this now

@@Battlemage15 they need to show the m10 some love

He did say "the only other movie I can think of", not "the only other movie in existence".

We played it as kids, but we had pocket knives, not bayonets! I don't remember any one getting cut or stabbed bad enough to admit to it in front of an adult.

I hear about mumbletypeg and I keep thinking 'How bored does someone have to be to think throwing a knife, a real knife, at another person's foot is entertainment?'

yeah, writers don't get enough credit in the industry - for sure. Of course Gibson is the ultimate say-so on what makes the cut or gets changed on set, but the brilliance of script is probably what allowed someone like Gibson to make a good film.

Travis-Colt Gray You win the lottery... you *earn* a medal

I wouldn't even know where to begin with that. Since I'm more concerned about the history, my opinion on the movie overall can very wildy

Or another Fin, Lauri Törni, who served in the Finnish Army in the winter war, trained with the SS, fought the Soviets again in the continuation war, fled to the US after the war ended and joined the marines there as Larry Throne. He received the Cross of Mannerheim (Finnish), Iron Cross (German) and the Purple Heart (American) throughout his career.

And then it came around in a new version: lawn darts

yeah, played stretch stuck my brothers toe so I lost was the last time we played

We played in Detroit in the 60's and 70's.

Yeah that was a big miscasting

trade secret ;-] though I bet you could figure it out with a little research. I wouldn't think anyone would want to see the interview though, b/c it's kinda boring

Well, fair enough, I was just curious, since you mentioned it ;)

The way Doss describes the incident it sounds like he tried to kick the grenade and missed. He and two or three other guys were in a ditch and he was the only one who saw it coming and he really didn't have much time to react.

+Julius man I'd love to, but i gotta wait for the Blu-ray to do this kind of analysis. Definitely excited though

Ryan Elliott He's already reviewed Pearl Harbor. It was crap. Saving Private Ryan is a good movie but it's not historically accurate. Titanic is mostly speculation, we can never know what conversations went on between the passengers.

On the titanic one, yeah we cant, but on what we can know, it was pretty accurate.

Omar I should've mentioned that Saving Private Ryan is inspired by true events, there was a US paratrooper who was told he had to go home because at the time it was believed that his three brothers had been killed in combat, but unlike Ryan in the movie, Fritz Niland ended up returning home. You don't have a right to pick and choose what orders to follow in the military.

Omar so did rollercoasters exist during the titanic.

Try Tora Tora Tora!

Whats the manga in your profile picture? I need it for *cough* research purposes

andrea strickland we do believe in the rapture but not a secret rapture.

Orthodox Christian here, they had Seventh Day Aventists services on Parris Island when I was there and I never learned what y'all believe. I'm curious if you could elaborate. At the very least to help me understand Desmond Doss's perspective. Thank you.

AlexSaysHi2013 - it is a Protestant doctrine. They believe in the inerrancy of scripture and that you are save by grace through faith in Christ. They are trinitarians that favor the Law of Moses, and a law based view of scripture.

Good to see adventists over here :) um brazilian btw

SDAs believe in the second coming of Jesus Christ. based on our understanding of prophecy, there are a few things that need to occur before Jesus returns, and that the Bible explains what these things are. we believe that salvation is only through faith in Jesus Christ. keeping the Ten Commandments does not save us. we keep them because we are saved by grace and understand them to be universal principles that reveal the character of God. that obedience is based on love, for God first loved us, and we who seek to be like our heavenly Father respond to that love by returning it to Him and sharing it with others.

John Smith IMO this is better than both those movies. Better than saving private Ryan because it's a true story, both great movies though. Better than Dunkirk because I didn't get the same sense of victory and respect, I think Dunkirk could have been directed/edited better to elicit a better emotional response from the audience

Yep, the direction is too exagerrated and overblown, it makes the war seem like a cartoon, despite the script having a lot of good, accurate elements. Also, it's a very sappy movie, it's always telling you how to feel. I just didn't get much out of the movie, someone else should have been given the script.

Okinawas violence was over the top compared to other battles. Movies exagerate to scare the audience so they feel like the soldiers on the battlefield. A movies 1st goal is to entertain, 2nd is to be historically accurate. This movie did a good job doing both.

Dunkirk was garbage, it should of been like Tora Tora Tora but instead we got another SPR but without it being good

Personally i dont like saving private ryan because its plot is really bad and unbelievable. Normandy scene is cool tho.

It's not bragging. He's being interviewed and he's just answering questions.

Awesome Inspector read the rest of my comments and see why

I have. Just because you hate Seven Day Adventists doesn't mean he's bragging.

Awesome Inspector my teacher was bragging about it a lot and the others and i hate them for other reasons

Ah, I see. You're talking about a teacher not Doss. My mistake. Regardless, what Doss did is nothing short of heroic.