16v swapped VW Fox - lowered, shaved, caged, ITBs, and more. AKA VW Voyage VW Senda

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16v swapped VW Fox - lowered, shaved, caged, ITBs, and more. AKA VW Voyage VW Senda

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Jamie Orr

Күн бұрын

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@JamieOrr 4 жыл бұрын

GOSTARIA DE VER LEGENDAS EM PORTUGUÊS? Por favor, goste ou comente, e farei isso em alguns dias

@alvessc1644 4 жыл бұрын

Concerteza huehue

@mmm3mmm 4 жыл бұрын

YEP !!!

@JamieOrr 4 жыл бұрын

Eu solicitei a tradução, e ela estará pronta em 3 dias :-)

@CanalAutosMotivos 4 жыл бұрын

Por favor!! 👍👏👏

@Blakelikesfood 4 жыл бұрын

@@JamieOrr Contact me if you have leads on Audi 80 / Fox 70's parts cars. Thanks

@gastonracui5714 4 жыл бұрын

In Uruguay it was call VW Amazon, so another name to add to the inf list 😂

@JamieOrr 4 жыл бұрын

I used that name in the tags 😅❤️❤️

@marcos2250 4 жыл бұрын

Brazilian here and I learned a lot from your vid!

@JamieOrr 4 жыл бұрын

Muito obrigado!

@FranRuiz 4 жыл бұрын

Hi Jamie! actually in Argentina we didn´t have a 3 door Senda. We had the Gacel (with the big square front lights, air vents at the front windows and kind square rear lights. It had a restyling with a different front lights and grill and a change of coulours of the rear lights), then the Gacel got a restyling again that include the front and rear of your orange Fox, different interior and dashboard. The engine in both were the same AP. The Gacel had the 1.6 and 1.8, and with the restyling VW introduced the Gacel GS that was a 1.8 with more power and Recaro interior. The third restyling that the Gacel had was actually the born of the Senda, the Gacel GLS (1992 aprox) was like a Senda but 1.8, was the top version of the Gacel. Then it came the Senda (1992 to end of production).. it was like the Gacel GLS but 1.6 . Have your like sir! Cheers from Argentina!

@JamieOrr 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks, great input! I totally agree about the Gacel e Senda only being four door. In North America all models were called the Fox, 2/4/Wagon, so I have a habit of describing the early Fox as the Gacel, and the facelift later version as the Gacel, whether 2 door coupe or 4 door sedan, oops.

@jefferysmith3930 3 жыл бұрын

Even stock, these things were a blast. I wanted one as soon as I saw the original advertisement with a Beetle entering the corner and a Fox exiting the corner. I was not disappointed when bought a 2 year old ‘87 base 2dr. (Only ac and a dealer fit Blaplunkt cassette player, no pass. Side mirror!) My 20 year old self drove the hell out of it for about 3 years with no failures. Good torquey little motor. Good handling and brakes. Decent seats and ride comfort. A real driver’s economy car.... a trait few care about in the USA. I don’t think these were ever offered with an automatic transmission which was another limiting factor of their appeal in this country. I do recall, with so many unique parts, maintenance was not cheap! Brake pads cost the same on my lowly Fox as the Mercedes 300D my stepdad drove at the time. Oh, my mom’s daily back then was an ‘83 Quantum. We weren’t the average family when it came to cars

@hibafuscamaniaco 4 жыл бұрын

Niceeeee, Jamie! The first time I saw your cars was on Tiago Kfouri channel! As a Brazilian car enthusiast owner of a 94 Parati, I feel myself honored to see your job making this cars known and respect more than here in Brazil sometimes! Yes, there are many people here who likes this cars. But, there also many ones who talk a lot of thash about It! So, see what u have done to your Fox and the Saveiro is really cool! Keep saving this amazing models that u find and sharing with all gearheads what a true enthusiast do for a car!

@cekinel 4 жыл бұрын

Nice work, now i see the Voyage here in other way

@Dheveraldoferreira 4 жыл бұрын

Aqui no Brasil, ele é conhecido como voyage

@djmhyde 3 жыл бұрын

ele falou isso no início do vídeo......

@improvisu 3 жыл бұрын

Todo mundo sabe

@renatinhodaheropuch1260 3 жыл бұрын

In mexico is Volkswagen Gacel

@timbazuvfunareo454 3 жыл бұрын

I had a 1990 VW Fox..nicest car ive ever rolled over..super safe

@lgracco 4 жыл бұрын

Jamie, numbers of your brazilians fans just grown up,more and more!!!!

@fernandomenezesbara4530 4 жыл бұрын

Jamie thank you so Much for translating your videos!!!!!!

@RedSunrise91 3 жыл бұрын

NOISES! Crazy sounds, reminds me of a Subaru boxer for some reason. Love it!

@zeroswings2 4 жыл бұрын

had an 88 fox for a while... not something I thought I'd ever see looking 'cool'... but, this is nice

@henriknilsson7851 Ай бұрын

Love this. I had a stock Fox 4 door sedan, metallic blue. I wish you could still buy something like this. This is a cool project, beautifully done!

@mariobalbinojunior 4 жыл бұрын

VW Voyage, VW Gol, VW Parati and VW Saveiro are national passion here in Brazil. There are some copies of VW Fox here too, I've seen some collectors that even have the original manual ... My father had a 1995 Voyage with power steering and air conditioning, which is not very common here! great video Jamie!

@JamieOrr 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you for sharing, and for the kind words!

@adamv242 3 жыл бұрын

+1 for the 'golf ball' shift knob. Was thrilled to find one of these in a salvage yard and enjoy it in my Scirocco 16v BITD.

@MPonce96 Жыл бұрын

My first car was a VW Gacel Fierro 1.8 1988, a very fun car to drive, i still in love with these Volkswagen, GOL, GACEL, SENDA AND SAVEIRO

@GTE465 4 жыл бұрын

Nice!!! I had one of these in South Africa.

@blankczechz 3 жыл бұрын

I had an '87 and an '88 Fox both 2 doors 4 speed, maroon in color with tan interior. I loved them. They were as close as you got to the original beetle for simplicity and dependability but with hot heat and cold a/c. I also remember those rear window louvers. I'd love to have another. Kept my Bentley manual forever just in case. Just found your channel. Been wrenching on vw's since 1980 and my first 65 beetle.

@patricklovato9161 2 жыл бұрын

I have a 89 vw fox here in New mexico USA I seen it on Craigslist an got it for a good deal in 2010 an I love this car i have alot projects got a 85 cabby working on to an a 69 bug. I love the fact that Noone knows what I have the fox is a mind fk to my friends an to people that see it. I love what you have done to yours its gorgeous thank you for keeping the fox alive

@nicu7014 4 жыл бұрын

Awesome fox! Your gauge cluster is from a polo 86c facelift built between '90-'94.

@JamieOrr 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks! You're 100% correct on the Polo cluster!

@g40nut 4 жыл бұрын

I have the same cluster in my G40. Soo much fun when you rev the engine way past the 7 on the rev counter 😕

@billbo747 3 жыл бұрын

I had an 89 Fox. Drove it across America in 97. Unbelievable fuel economy from the 1.8. The oddest thing about the car was that the shocks would compress and freeze in the Canadian winter. Seasonal low rider.

@Garagem80s 3 жыл бұрын

VW FOX BY BRAZIL! Nice to see these cars in the USA..Here in Brazil it's a very dear car with easy and durable mechanics.. I've had more than 7 men!

@pdx650 3 жыл бұрын

Jamie, I am so happy to hear your enthusiasm about your fox. Yes, the 1st gear on my wife’s ‘80 Dasher diesel wagon 1.6 non turbo is very short. She doesn’t drive it. She lets me, but we have a few parts cars and the one I bought does have a 1.6 turbo diesel. Audi should have made that a slightly taller gear. What I have read is that the longitudinal design is an audi layout. The audi 80, vw fox, dasher, quantum all had this layout. The B3, of which I owned also and wished I still had, was the first generation of the transverse engine design. I promised my wife I would not drive the car too hard since the engine was new and has less then 5k miles on it since she had it replaced. The old 1.5 diesel stroker had bad piston rings and it lost compression. I didn’t know torque steer was caused by uneven length driveshafts. Thanks for sharing that. We have a parts car dasher with a three speed auto. A five door hatchback diesel I put the no. 1 connecting rod through the block of. Sorry, honey. The diesel is a finicky beast. I’ve never driven a gas dasher/passat B1 yet, but the three speed automatic one we have does have a gas engine. I think it is a 1.6 gas with jetronic injection. Three wagons and a hatchback. We love these cars. Would you ever consider moving up your transmission to the B2 quantum 5 speed? I think our wagon needs it to get over 60 mph without killing our new engine.

@MarcosMartinelli1 4 жыл бұрын

I am Brazilian and I have a VW Gol 97 AP turbo for daily use and trackday, i am very happy to see that we have a similar passion ! Congrats, your Voyage is awesome!

@chapel976 4 жыл бұрын

Badger5 and Jenvey DTHs are just the best thing for the 16vs. I didn't realize that was a stock V8 exhaust manifold. The runners are gorgeous for a stock setup.

@JamieOrr 4 жыл бұрын

Agreed, the no-inlet-manifold-needed setup are perfect. This was the third setup that I tried, and easily the best! Yes, direct flange fitment on the V8!! :-)

@alaincopter 4 жыл бұрын

Love it Jamie!! I’ve been wanting this very video for about 13, 14 years now. Just the motivation I needed to keep working on mine. Thank you for scratching a very, very old itch lol. From one foxer to another 🍺

@JamieOrr 4 жыл бұрын

Hey Alain! Thank you so much!! Keep rocking the Fox!!

@sippinthefnordies 3 жыл бұрын

Holy crap! @Alaincopter ...that's a name I haven't heard for a long long time. Bringing back that vwvortex Fox Forum nostalgia. I've got a pretty straight Fox wagon that has been awaiting my motivation for a few years too, and seeing you here being motivated makes me motivated too. I guess it's time I resurrect that vwvortex account and get the party started.

@alaincopter 3 жыл бұрын

Ian!! Great to hear from you! Bud let’s dust off the old foxes and get that party started for sure! Working on the fox has been great to keep sane during this pandemic... and the forum could use a new breath of life from folks like us too! Cheers!

@ogamerpobre51 2 жыл бұрын

Nice video Bro! I love this car, my first car was a 1985 VW Voyage S with a ethanol 1.6 AP engine and for the reality of Brazilians, this is a great toy

@ChristopheZ 3 жыл бұрын

back in the days ( think 1995-96-97, I was in my 20's), I had a Brazilian friend who lived in Orlando,Fl....He had a white FOX that he sold me for $500...lol..That car was a fun ride ( NO a/c, NO reverse and mismatched tires!! lol )...He don't remember why I bought it ( I had a new 1996 Camaro too)....Anyways, I miss that car sometimes ( and my friend who passed away a couple of years after due to illness)

@guslima340 4 жыл бұрын

It's always cool to see this fox/voyage. I have seen this one in person and its beautiful

@JamieOrr 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks Gus!

@tomaszek8888 4 жыл бұрын

Great job and cool car. Also I like the area, so green and clean. Greetings from Scotland 🙂

@ghosttheoremproductions5469 4 жыл бұрын

I have an 88 Fox GL Wagon here in Arizona I've been trying to figure out what to do with. I like quirky/oddball cars and they are definitely that, haha. I couldn't resist when I found it.

@Blakelikesfood 4 жыл бұрын

Are you in Phoenix? Project car or running?

@ghosttheoremproductions5469 4 жыл бұрын

About 2.5 hours south of Phoenix (depending on where you start from obviously). Outside Ft Huachuca. - If you want to chat about the car you can shoot me a note: coreygtproductions@gmail.com

@jayinmi3706 3 жыл бұрын

That's hilarious. I still have that issue! lol Always loved that Rabbit/Golf. Edit: Back in the late 90's early 2000, I worked at Parts Place for All VW's, and one of my coworkers had a Fox. He did the Quantum Diesel trans swap as well. I've always wanted a Fox Wagon, but they're hard to come by now. This video is bringing back memories.

@JamieOrr 3 жыл бұрын

That's awesome!!

@gandhi_assuncao 4 жыл бұрын

This is such a cool car, I remember seeing this in a few foruns back in the day, it was so cool because it was a brazilian car, but the style is totaly diffrent from what we have in Brazil

@beesilva1201 2 жыл бұрын

Jamie....I remember when you drove to Ohio for that Fox meet up.....I remember the sparks coming from the bottom when you drove around at night....Good times!!

@waldi2302 3 жыл бұрын

The Golf GTI engine and Diesel 4+E gearbox combination was verry popular in the 80s and 90s.

@SynchroSk8 4 жыл бұрын

This is so great! Love all the tributes you did to other really cool cars, makes it super fun and super unique to you. Thank you for sharing!

@JamieOrr 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much!!

@alezinho3141 3 жыл бұрын

Sensacional! esse acessório do vidro de trás é espetacular, com certeza venderia aqui no Brasil!

@Erpiiix 4 жыл бұрын

Gotta love the exhaust rumble!

@yaboykawz 3 жыл бұрын

Man said "MAX POWER magazine"

@stasiulc 3 жыл бұрын

2:43 Golf from my city Gliwice in Poland :D

@JamieOrr 3 жыл бұрын

That's awesome - I've driven past there on the A4 many times :-) That car is so cool and so cult!

@1354691 4 жыл бұрын

Nice build you made in this car. Each detail... congratulations. Nice Voyage 😁.

@Wissan101 4 жыл бұрын

Absolutly love this thing!! Great build Jamie :)

@carlkwasnjuk9518 3 жыл бұрын

Also the Fox never came with an automatic or power steering. MOST of them came with a 4 speed manual. I believe only the Wolfsburg Edition(only with 4 doors) came with the 5 speed manual. It's funny how a Brazilian VW came in a Wolfsburg Edition.

@alanaugustto456 4 жыл бұрын

Projeto desse Voyage bem legal, tá de parabéns!👍

@trauma4393 2 жыл бұрын

believe we ended up following one another to englishtown maybe 10 or so years ago when I was driving my white 2 door wagon fox side exit exhaust. I was coming from south jersey

@Reoner 4 жыл бұрын

Essas rodas são perfeitas!

@Fierrosporcelular 3 жыл бұрын

Great to see Jamie knowing about the South American scene. That said would love to see him coming a bit further down to Argentina, old VW scene here is also big, also crazy, and we have better meat 🤣 🇦🇷🤩🇧🇷

@ricbarker 2 жыл бұрын

Hi Jamie, just found your channel. Love seeing the fox. I still have my silver fox wagon Banned Wagon

@fernandoszatkowski519 4 жыл бұрын

Por favor Volkswagen, tragam de volta o motor AP!!!!

@drakeorion94 3 жыл бұрын

My buddy stole a quantum coupe out from under me. It drove and handled great.

@dbsedu 4 жыл бұрын

lindo voyage parabéns! the perfect wheels for this car are known as orbital or acapulco here in brazil and were launched on the Gol GTS/GTI in 91 almost everyone uses here

@dre4011 3 жыл бұрын

Damn!! Knew I should have bought that '88 wagon!!!

@chrisroach9459 Жыл бұрын

Great video! Beautiful car. You've done an amazing job with it. I have a 1976 Dasher with 16V 2.0 with Weber 45's. VW Fox is very similar. Ironically, Dashers were the most expensive and largest VW's when new, VW Fox the cheapest and smallest.

@fernandomenezesbara4530 4 жыл бұрын

Very cool your Voyage!!!!!cool the detail of the gutter that you took i also want tô take my gol.

@davdps 4 жыл бұрын

Nice car, I loved that color!!!

@eduardocristofoli6871 4 жыл бұрын

Don't forget about the Gol's pickup, the Saveiro

@joninhasg 3 жыл бұрын

Cheers from Brazil. I loved that engine!

@videoaapje 3 жыл бұрын

Subbed! Great content! Also loved the fiesta vid. Please keep on going!

@JamieOrr 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the sub! :-D

@videoaapje 3 жыл бұрын

Jamie Orr :D

@rydenlucas83 3 жыл бұрын

Inlove With everything bowt the car bro can't wait to start Up Mine Busy with same Conversion In MK1 Citi Golf

@Flbarcia 4 жыл бұрын

Hi Jamie, amazing. Congratulations.

@JamieOrr 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much 😊

@wotaloadof1166 3 жыл бұрын

Hi Jamie these were in the uk by the name off the Jetta my couson had one back in the 80's

@JamieOrr 3 жыл бұрын

Nice memory! The Mk1 Jetta does look very similar, but are essentially a Golf with a boot. Totally different platform from this car underneath :-)

@maxnaidoo2152 4 жыл бұрын

Such a cool car! Are they in any way related to the South African VW Fox, cos apart from the rear-end, it seems way different.

@JamieOrr 4 жыл бұрын

Good question! They are almost totally unrelated to the Mk1 Jetta (South African Fox). There is not a single body panel that can interchange. :-) Thanks!

@shludatheguru4800 4 жыл бұрын

It looks more like a 90s Sentra that we have in south Africa

@vuilsidecrew2725 3 жыл бұрын

It looks like a old vw passat

@eraummenino3011 3 жыл бұрын

hum interesting, no power steering, power windows, and no passenger side mirror but they were injected from factory, the Gol GTS in Brazil had a carb but we at least had power stuff as an optional ( that no body orderd cuz air conditioning in Brazil in the 90s for some reason gave you a cold and power steering was for the weak)

@vmorita 4 жыл бұрын

Nice car! I saw one of these in the station wagon version in Canada.

@sulfuricfire1308 4 жыл бұрын

Jamie Orr now you just need a South African VW Fox then you'll have both engine layout foxes for your collection 😂😂

@conestyle6867 3 жыл бұрын

Nice "voyage" Bro, i have one and i fakk love

@wesleybatistadavid8471 4 жыл бұрын

Voyage Fox , show tem q trazer esse carro pro Brazil pro BGT

@JamieOrr 4 жыл бұрын

Eu adoraria trazê-lo para o BGT!

@andreiburgonovo5344 2 жыл бұрын

Que voyage lindo man!

@ShalomBrother 4 жыл бұрын

GT-ZZ-57 😍

@ShalomBrother 4 жыл бұрын

Can’t think that I’ve ever seen a longitudinal fwd layout ever before, I’d always assumed these were rwd 🤷🏽‍♂️

@gandhi_assuncao 4 жыл бұрын

There is a few longitudinal fwd cars, like the B5 passat, Audi A4, Audi 80, subaru impreza...

@guatavorsdgu6716 3 жыл бұрын

Para fora do Brasil também poderia ter o famoso GOL GTI

@joelsaa1 4 жыл бұрын

Muito Loko o Voyage , faltou o Gol GLR aí pra fazer companhia

@start.automotiv.eletric 4 жыл бұрын

Jamie..top !!! Brazilian Culture VW's..

@ThatGuy-xd5fs 3 жыл бұрын

Sick!!

@JamieOrr 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

@maxeluy 4 жыл бұрын

Way nicer than a Jetta

@brunolovatocwb 4 жыл бұрын

Esse laranja parece os táxis de Curitiba!!

@glenmessinger829 4 жыл бұрын

Those bumps though... ouch!!!

@CanalAutosMotivos 4 жыл бұрын

Hey Jamie! My name’s Ricardo, I’m from Montreal, I had the chance to see your car in Canada at Eurokracy 2019. One of my goals is to have one VW Fox or Voyage here in Montreal. Look, on my channel I talk about cars to a Brazilian audience, it would be an amazing opportunity for me if I could have the chance to see your car again, but this time also talking to you. If you think this is possible, please let me know and we’ll setup something. Anyway man, your car is awesome! Take care, I really hope we can meet sometime! Ricardo

@JamieOrr 4 жыл бұрын

Your videos look super interesting! It would of course be great to hang out and talk cars sometime. I hope we can do it in the future!

@Jeferson1297 4 жыл бұрын

Bem que você poderia fazer um vídeo assim da saveiro 😅😅😅

@bigal3335 3 жыл бұрын

Looks like a 90~94 polo gt cluster

@rafaelrodrigues9136 4 жыл бұрын

Essas rodas ficaram perfeitos !!

@JamieOrr 4 жыл бұрын

Obrigado!

@pedro0484 2 ай бұрын

Carro popular aqui no Brasil, aqui ele é chamado de voyagem

@lamboferruccio 4 жыл бұрын

I actually remember when these were new, thought they were cool as hell with its longitudinal FWD drivetrain, always wondered what they’d be like with a 16V swap or even better a 1.8T swap from an A4 🤔

@braziliansheetbox2497 4 жыл бұрын

here in brazil it is common to put audi 1.8 20v engines in VW cars, they are very strong, some go beyond 500whp with only forged pistons and connecting rods

@HenrikeVwQuadrado 3 жыл бұрын

Estou estacionado nos anos 90, tenho um gol verde 1993 há 6 anos, e é meu 10° vw Lembro de você no BGT! Eu sou seu fã, jamie

@MRDEEGAMING 3 жыл бұрын

hey nice vid im from thew uk and we had a jetta that looked very similar to that probably totaly different

@dannylorenzana277 4 жыл бұрын

I have a 93 Vw Fox Wolfsburg Edition 115k miles 2 door white all original never in accident, no dents or ever repainted. Located in Los Angeles Ca let me know if anyone is interested in buying. Haven't posted for sale yet

@robertwilliams1573 2 жыл бұрын

I still have one stock

@Poler777 2 жыл бұрын

Since its origins are Brazilian, it would be appropriate to give it a soccer ball shift knob.

@StealthSlug447 3 жыл бұрын

The gauge cluster is from a mk2f polo 1991-94 looking at the rev counter it must be from a genesis spected polo

@guatavorsdgu6716 3 жыл бұрын

Ganho um inscrito com esse vídeo. Goste pra caramba

@rickastley3536 4 жыл бұрын

It's beautiful your clockwork orange haha!👍👍👍 Waiting for Saveiro video too🚀

@JamieOrr 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you!!

@jeanfernandes31 4 жыл бұрын

AP 16V 😍

@psavel274 4 жыл бұрын

Nice and unique... so that's a 9A 16v then? I was always after an ABF when I had my fully built 16v. You are running MS2 I'm guessing? Gotta love the ease and affordability of tuning from Megasquirt, along with the awesome support group that uses it. What are you running for an oil cooler? Glad you added the external one, as the 16v runs on the hotter side to begin with. Mishimoto makes a really cheap all aluminum radiator for the civic when your end tanks start leaking, it would be a good investment over the OEM ones. I ALMOST pulled the trigger on some Hayward Performance ITB'S for mine, although I ended up selling the whole drivetrain out of my chassis for a great price so I never got them. Audi 4000 gauges? I had a set in a few of my cars. Probably the best OEM upgrade for cheap to the interior of any VW/ Audi that doesn't have them already. Great rare and unique car, and I'm glad you are running a proper set of coilovers and not some bags. Looks like you could use a set of engine and trans mounts. Motor was moving pretty good on acceleration. Its also hard to tell on my phone but the t-belt looks like it could use a change soon. Appears to have a good amount of wear on the center. Might be a good time to throw on an adjustable cam gear, and or internal adj gears from Kent. They are great when your running an aggressive cam setup and you want to change the powerband around. I had the Kent internals, Techtonics main gear, Autotech HD springs, titanium retainers, Ferrara valves, a set of 'fast road' Shricks, and a gas flowed head. Revved really high and sounded great. I can only imagine the motor I built with a set of ITB's. Good work man, and thank you very much for sharing! 👍😎

@niviuk8335 4 жыл бұрын

Oh yes - we had them in Europe. They originally were sold as Audi 80 and only badged VW Fox in the US for legal reasons. My father was part of the electrical development team in Ingolstadt where they were built from 1972 on: de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audi_80_B1#:~:text=Der%20Audi%2080%20B1%20(interne,dem%20Genfer%20Auto%2DSalon%20vor. The first model of VW Passat is almost identical and was developed by the same Audi Team in Ingolstadt. Even the Audi 50 was developed there and became VWs Polo later on: de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audi_50#:~:text=Der%20Audi%2050%20ist%20ein,1974%20bis%20Mitte%201978%20hergestellt.

@JamieOrr 4 жыл бұрын

The Audi B1 was called the Audi Fox in the USA; so I agree with you there totally. Although they do share the same layout as the VW Fox, but are a distinctly different car from the later car with the same name. Amazing that your father worked in Ingolstadt on development. I have visited that factory several times, and it’s always fascinating.

@niviuk8335 4 жыл бұрын

@@JamieOrrNice that you've been here. I do live 15 miles from Audi Ingolstadt. Audi was a part of Mercedes when my father started working there in the sixties. By the time they were already front driven - but had two stroke engines only. Intended to go for a V6 two stroke. Mercedes forced them to use a water cooled four stroke engine developed for military use in the mid sixties. Later on Audi was bought by VW who almost went bancrupt with their antiquated air cooled rea engine concept. Arrogant VW forbid subsidiary Audi any own car development - but Audi secretly went on developing new cars: Audi 80, Audi 100, Passat Mk1, Audi 50 and Quattro was all done secretly and Audi kept being the major driving force behind VW. Nevertheless VW forbid them to build their great motorcycle. Audi Neckarsulm (formerly NSU) once was one of the biggest motorcycle producers worldwide. So Audi would be producing bikes like BMW if there hadn't been VW in the way. VW was finally saved from going under by the VW Golf which encorporated the Audi engine and the Design approach (contacting Giugaro for it) on Audi initiative. See: translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=no&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FLudwig_Kraus_%28Ingenieur%29 translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=no&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FVW_Passat_B1%23%3A~%3Atext%3DDer%2520Volkswagen%2520Passat%2520B1%2520ist%2Cwar%2520auch%2520als%2520Kombi%2520lieferbar. The VW Iltis SUV from 1979 was an Audi too - built and developed in Ingolstadt on the Idea of DKW Munga SUV and badged as VW. You for sure know Audis four rings stand for 'DKW, Horch, Wanderer and Audi' - car companies which joined to 'Auto Union' and later became Audi NSU. There's a lot more to tell as history is alive in the region. A neighbour of mine owns the last personal car of iconic Audi Boss Ludwig Kraus - an Audi V8 with 30k miles on the clock.