2 of 3 Festool vs Cheap tool

2 of 3 Festool vs Cheap tool - Orbital Sanders

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6 жыл бұрын

Hi everyone. I’m continuing the Festool v Cheap Tool series this week with the humble orbital sander. Often overshadowed by their Random Orbital siblings, these simple sanders can be a versatile workhorse, and one that I carry with me at all times.
In this video I’m comparing my ‘go-to’ Festool RTS 400 to a very similarly sized, and specced sander - but this one isn’t an own-brand or supermarket special, this is a Bosch Professional GSS 160-1A; a Bosch Pro sander as the ‘cheap tool’ - really? Yep.
So, what do you get for your money, and what do you miss out on by buying the cheaper option. Enjoy!
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@maartenmooiman2324 5 жыл бұрын

Hello Peter, maybe interesting to know: - The ‘Netherlands Organisation for Applied Scientific Research’ (TNO) does (among many other things) research on dust (I think ‘particulate’ is the correct English term) collecting performance of several tools. These tools can get a license for use in a professional environment. Usually it is a combination of tools, a specific sander and a specific dust extractor for example. Long story short: the Festool RTS 400 REQ with a dust extractor can be used for eight hours (continuously) without reaching the threshold for a healthy working environment. With the dust bag, it can be used for five hours per eight hour workday. I thought that was pretty amazing. :) - Even more amazing is the fact that Festool gets blown out of the water by the Rupes LE71TE with ‘dust bag’ (‘Greentech filter’). After eight hours of use the amount of measured particulate is less than 1/10th of the threshold for safe ‘daily intake’! What is interesting is that there is also a test available with the same sander, but a previous version of their filter. This combination got a license for ‘only’ two hours of use per workday. After improving the filter to what is now their standard (Greentech ) the license got upgraded. The filter apparently is a very important part of the tool from a health standpoint. The tests can be downloaded from the TNO website. For detailed information, check out the PDF’s at the very bottom of each specific toolpage. www.stofvrijwerken.tno.nl/gereedschappen?tested=100345,100344&tools=100579&

@10MinuteWorkshop 5 жыл бұрын

Thanks Maarten! That’s really interesting - I’ll definitely take a look! Unfortunately Rupes are quite hard to come by here, but not impossible. 👍👍

@jaistanley 6 жыл бұрын

I really like your methodology! Here's to many more videos like this! Thanks.

@10MinuteWorkshop 6 жыл бұрын

Jai Stanley Thanks! 👍

@SebastiaanMollema 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you for the video Peter. Again a thorough and informative message!

@notmynameonyoutube6658 6 жыл бұрын

Good video as always! I like that I only have to wait a day for the next part

@10MinuteWorkshop 6 жыл бұрын

+Not my name on youtube Thanks! 👍

@hgohlke 5 жыл бұрын

Great show!

@silentscribes 2 жыл бұрын

I've always liked your videos. Great job and keep up the good work!

@EddietheG 6 жыл бұрын

Fantastic head to head battle! Good job!

@10MinuteWorkshop 6 жыл бұрын

+luke giacobbe Thanks! 👍

@mirosteibruchmatteli6708 6 жыл бұрын

It's great to see (or imagine) jow much work you put in these videos. I hope you keep posting and at somepoint will be able to make some money with this! PS. GREAT JINGLE

@10MinuteWorkshop 6 жыл бұрын

+Achim Imboden Thanks! I have a behind the scenes video on the way 👍

@RpR_Makes 6 жыл бұрын

Peter, your videos are really informative and i do get it as to why people buy Festool. However, for many of your viewers the Bosch and previously the Titan plunge saw will win every time just because of their infrequent use. For professional such as yourself it would be Festool every time as you are measured on your quality of work. Great videos please keep uploading them, you are better than the TV lately.

@10MinuteWorkshop 6 жыл бұрын

+Richard Rayson Thanks Richard! I suspect that's more a reflection in TV than anything, but thanks anyway! 👍

@lemagreengreen 6 жыл бұрын

That dust collection on the festool is very impressive. I know you're paying for it but still, that's a pretty clear and big advantage for some people.

@10MinuteWorkshop 6 жыл бұрын

Thanks +eggypickle Yep, big difference, even against a pro-grade 'cheap tool' 👍

@peckelhaze6934 5 жыл бұрын

This is a perfect example of 'you get what you pay for.'

@karlpountney 6 жыл бұрын

The dust collection test sums it up for me. If I were making my living daily from these sorts of tools, the festool would win for me you'd pay more for less clean up. But as I make my living elsewhere and want the best I can afford, the Bosch would be a happy compromise. Would like to see a shakedown between the Festool Domino and Triton's Duo Doweling machine. (just a suggestion)

@10MinuteWorkshop 6 жыл бұрын

+Karl Pountney Yep. Oddly, the domino v doweller is the one I had planned, but sadly I'm struggling to get a Doweller that works! Been through 2 so far, suspected 'bad batch' 😕

@nitsan 6 жыл бұрын

great stuff. subbed.

@10MinuteWorkshop 6 жыл бұрын

Thanks, and welcome! Be sure to check out the back catalogue 👍

@jimwampler6210 4 жыл бұрын

thank you Peter for a great video. I can sweep and shopvac a lot of dust for the 180 GBP difference. Festool is beyond compare for dust collection.

@10MinuteWorkshop 4 жыл бұрын

That’s fair. Wouldn’t want to do that in someone else’s home though! 👍👍

@hovermotion 6 жыл бұрын

I have two rts 400s one rts 400 qs has been used for 14 years and its still going....replaced the base plates and electric cords a few times....I am thinking of getting the cordless one soon......

@10MinuteWorkshop 6 жыл бұрын

+Hovermotion Yep, Great sanders, but the cordless is tempting... 🤔

@nocnymarek7645 3 жыл бұрын

Regarding vibrations - there is much more improvement what we get into hands than into sanding material.

@robertblascos4488 3 жыл бұрын

Golden just bloody golden!

@10MinuteWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын

👍👍

@vinhle3272 3 жыл бұрын

Hi Peter. I can not see the difference in sand finish in video. What sander would you recommend for a diy home cabinet refinishing. I am looking for an economical fine finish sander, not worry about dust collection or vibration.

@TheTruckingActor 4 жыл бұрын

Wow, a great side by side comparative test, very surprising that the bosch let itself down so badly with the dust, but there's the cash difference evidence right there!

@10MinuteWorkshop 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks! The Bosch did much better when using a mesh-backer abrasive - see video #157 Mirka Abranet Test. 👍👍

@katielouise147 4 жыл бұрын

Well done great display, very helpful when buying a new sander...

@10MinuteWorkshop 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks! If you’re in the market for a sander you may want to take a look at ‘which sander, when’ video #356. 👍👍

@S7tronic 6 жыл бұрын

Use of Smarties for vibration test was brilliant, new unit of measurment; SPM..Smarties per minute :)

@10MinuteWorkshop 6 жыл бұрын

+S7tronic "SPM" - definitely a new unit of vibration measurement 😂

@Mikey__R Жыл бұрын

I used to think dust collection was an expensive luxury, until I connected my new Trend vacuum up to my Makita tracksaw. It was incredible what a difference it made.

@Mikey__R Жыл бұрын

The £200 difference between the Bosch and the Festool sanders is a lot of money, but spread over the life of the tool, I'm starting to think my health is worth it.

@1pcfred 6 жыл бұрын

The Uncle Fester Tool is nicer, but is it 3 times nicer? Call me crazy but I kind of expect some dust when I sand too. If you're working in someone's house you're probably going to have drops down, and vacuum up afterwards too. Good dust collection, or lousy.

@10MinuteWorkshop 6 жыл бұрын

+Paul Frederick Well, lets conclude the series and decide if it's worth 3x the price to you...

@jacktrotter5357 2 ай бұрын

First time I have seen the M&M test , try with peanut M & M next time , probably have wider scatter , fun test , is 160 sander your choice for money saving ? On to next video

@ianrose2823 6 жыл бұрын

Another informative video Peter. What did you use for the filler again Peter?

@10MinuteWorkshop 6 жыл бұрын

+Ian Rose Thanks! It's a regular one-part plus water Tetrion powder filler, nothing special. 👍

@anatolymartynov4033 2 жыл бұрын

Peter, it’s great test. Do you expect the same result in dust extraction for ETS and cheaper random orbital?

@10MinuteWorkshop 2 жыл бұрын

I haven’t done a definitive test, but generally speaking I expect the Festool to be better than most. 👍

@boogiedahomey Жыл бұрын

Peter, you are the reason I bought a Festool Domino. No regrets at all. Slightly off topic: What brand of pants are you wearing in this video? They look like Mascot but I'm probably mistaken. Thanks.

@10MinuteWorkshop Жыл бұрын

Wow, 5-year old vid I had to watch it to check! They're Scruffs Drezna workwear - amzn.to/2o7n44H (US: amzn.to/2oTAVbX)

@saiiiiiii1 2 жыл бұрын

Think this video makes me want to get an RTS. I'm very sensitive to any dust and I can't put a number on my health. Even if I'm working outside, dust collection is a must. What bothers me is that I need two sanders (DTS/RTS) and can't switch the baseplate. Since the RTS also can get into 90 degree corners, do I even need the DTS if I'm not working on super weird shapes?

@10MinuteWorkshop 2 жыл бұрын

I had an older RT that I changed the base plate over to a delta pad, and found I rarely used it. I gave it away last year and don’t miss it. 🤷‍♂️👍

@25musicmaker 2 жыл бұрын

The Bosch does't even come near the Festool, because of it's faulty (i.e. cheap) design.

@52wml 5 жыл бұрын

With respect to the dust collection test I see 1 flaw, Since the Bosch comes with a vac adapter you should have hooked a vac to the Bosch as well, comparing vac dust extraction to a non vac dust extraction is comparing a apple to an orange. Having said that I think your videos are very informative and I really enjoy watching them. As far as the two sanders go, while the Festool is a fantastic product after watching this video, there just isn't enough difference between the two to justify the cost of the Festool IMO. Thank you again for another fun video.

@10MinuteWorkshop 5 жыл бұрын

Watch the video again; both sanders were hooked up to the same dust extractor - as you say, it wouldn’t be any kind of a comparison otherwise!

@Imthekingofdogshite 7 ай бұрын

@@10MinuteWorkshop why not use the same abrasives for both sanders? You didn’t use the Bosch expert abrasive that is designed to be used with that machine. But really the same abrasive should be used to make it a more fair test.

@vileguile4 6 жыл бұрын

Im really impressed with festool in the dust test! I wonder how much the standard 8 big holes Bosch is using is causing the difference. Maybe there should be a new standard but i have no idea how hard that is to implement. Is there a big tool organisation with all the big brands like the electronic brands have when it comes to format standards?

@10MinuteWorkshop 6 жыл бұрын

Sleepydog I think it's pretty clear that the additional holes in the Festool sander and abrasives are making a big difference. No idea about the 'standards' re hole patterns; I suspect it was something that was implemented years ago and has become a de facto 'standard'. I don't think there's been anything stopping any other manufacturer changing the hole pattern, other than lack of inertia/willingness to buck the system and to their own way. 👍

@normanboyes4983 6 жыл бұрын

So it essentially comes down to the effectiveness of the dust collection a Festool 'USP'

@10MinuteWorkshop 6 жыл бұрын

+Norman Boyes Full roundup in the final episode tomorrow, but sure, in this comparison, that, variable speed, plug-it chord etc... 👍

@Cheesen77 6 жыл бұрын

Why didn't you use the same type of sanding disc for the test? You will get different results with different sandpaper.

@10MinuteWorkshop 6 жыл бұрын

Two things. It’s about the ‘out of the box’ experience and capability; Bosch paper with the Bosh sander, Festool with the Festool. And as well as proprietary hole patters, Festool also has proprietary hook & loop, so you need an interface pad to make third party abrasives stick. But yes, I am doing another with Abranet to see if it makes a difference. 👍

@holman26 6 жыл бұрын

would be epic to do one with a dust extractors cheep vs festool

@10MinuteWorkshop 6 жыл бұрын

+Sam Holman Good shout - hadn't thought of that! Might have to come up with some visually-entertaining ways to show relative 'suckage' 😂

@vileguile4 6 жыл бұрын

In that case maybe battery powered tools as that would make the most sense :)

@RpR_Makes 6 жыл бұрын

Peter. Quick question. Do you buy these cheap tools yourself or do manufacturers loan them too you. If you buy them then i can imagine your workshop will fast become a power tool storage area and making these videos will become personally expensive for you.

@10MinuteWorkshop 6 жыл бұрын

+Richard Rayson I buy everything I review, with my own money, like any punter would. If that ever changes (and I'd be very happy if a manufacturer offered...) I'll make that clear in the video beforehand. I cover this in a little more detail in the 'outro' of tomorrow's video, but part of the plan is to build up a 'cheap' tool collection that I can base my 'tracksaw workshop' series around 👍

@1pcfred 6 жыл бұрын

By KZfaq terms of service you have to disclose the fact in a disclaimer if you receive promotional materials. support.google.com/youtube/answer/154235?hl=en Which is to say you are obligated to say. Personally that fact never concerns me. I've seen plenty of folks slag off on stuff they were given to review on KZfaq. If they're shilling that is pretty obvious too.

@duartepaintinghandymanservices 3 жыл бұрын

Have you done a comparison against surprep?

@10MinuteWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын

Never heard of it I’m sorry. What is it, a sander manufacturer?

@duartepaintinghandymanservices 3 жыл бұрын

@@10MinuteWorkshop yes, they have a padded sander similar to the festool

@tgsgardenmaintenance4627 2 жыл бұрын

For the absolute pro, the Festool wins, but for the 99% of other people, the Bosch wins hands down!

@xawerytrabka8813 5 жыл бұрын

M&Ms ? :) haha

@MRMANTLE427 6 жыл бұрын

Go Festool go

@10MinuteWorkshop 6 жыл бұрын

+Gamer97 👍

@iandavies1976 5 жыл бұрын

so the bosch is the winner its 3 times less in price the money you save could buy a earlex vacum for less than £50 also you need a vacume for the festol and festol vacums are expensive you get 3 pads with the bosch the festol you have to spend another £300 with the money you save you could buy more tools ie dril jigsaw and circular saw you can use any sandpaper for the bosch you got to buy festol sandpaper for the festol

@10MinuteWorkshop 5 жыл бұрын

There’s no ‘winner’ here unless they suit your needs. If the Bosch does then fantastic. If you value the things that Festool provide then, also fantastic - you’d just better start saving 👍

@julianweiser9985 4 жыл бұрын

Fairly confident that festool is still made in germany while bosch is made in china.

@giovannifoulmouth7205 5 жыл бұрын

Festool is clearly better and definitely worth it for those who can afford it.

@nocnymarek7645 3 жыл бұрын

Hard to say Bosch is cheap tool. in my opinion Festool is much overpriced. Moreover there's a lot of movies with total different results than your so I suppose they are very comparable in daily use but price different is still huge.

@jackwlaw1979 4 жыл бұрын

Nice vid but that fast forward noise is terrible.

@colme3673 3 жыл бұрын

I work for a hire company. In suit repairing power tools. I have to say this. Festool isn't as good as people think believe me. Bearings switches. Feild windings.. Good design. But very poor in engineering. I've seen hilti dewalt milwaukee outlast festool. 2 or 3 years more. When the warranty is up 3. 5 years.. Delawt 3 milwaukee 3 to 5. I've seen those last 8 years .heavy work. Festool. No is not worth the money. . Best reliable is hilti dewalt and milwaukee belive it not .