I left the UMC ten days ago. The minister of less than 20 congregants is great; but, I can't support apostasy by gifts, service, or attendance.

Two reasons especially if they have been around for sometime…1. Easy, they believe in the changes. 2. They will lose any and all retirement plan that they have earned, they will lose housing . The denomination may think they made the right move but they CAVED to earthly beings are NOT following Gods word. You don’t change Gods word you Obey Gods word.

A third reason, it is EASIER to go along with the crowd.

I understand the dilemma for a pastor to leave UMC before they can retire. Progressives are using that dilemma to keep pastors in the church against their will. What progressives seem to overlook is that they have and are driving the people with the money and the talent out of the church. What is coming is way worse than what has happened for UMC.

As a son-in-law of a UMC member, my observation is that the ministers who didn't leave didn't do so because they tend to be compromised already because they, for years, have rejected the authority of Scripture (i.e. women pastors), and they are not used to having biblical convictions that stand against such modernistic trends.

The UMC APOSTATIZED years ago!

Observation 1: Love for money is greater than love for God

I have recently viewed many videos denouncing the evil apostasy within the United Methodist Church. Let me share my reflections from the mid to late 1980's; I know what many faithful UM laypeople and clergy have been experiencing. From 1985 to 1988 I studied for ordination. The seminary was totally sold-out to Politically Correct ideology. Every aspect of theology: sin, salvation, faith, morality, justice, hope, love, etc. was redefined in PC terms and the PC Obsessive Binary. I realized that PC was unbiblical and evil; now I realize it even more so. After three months at the seminary, I realized painfully that the seminary was highly evil; a spiritual brothel. I had the proper motives at first, but I shortly realized that my dreams of serving Christ and his truth would never come true; and I stayed essentially with the motives of a hireling. I knew that I was compromising with evil by harboring a hireling motive and even staying in this demonic environment and felt that before much longer I would feel God's wrath for compromising with evil by remaining. Surely, it happened. I did not trust that God would provide for me if I left the seminary, but remained for the wrong reasons. Fortunately, though it took over a decade, I regained my faith in God & his love after a decade in the desert. I found a small conservative church which helped me regain my faith in God, and is now a blessed refuge from the evil in the world. I realize more and more why PC is evil, ungodly, and nothing but a demonic deception, though it would take much time to explain here. PC is not a "prophetic" movement for justice and the "oppressed" at all- it benefits the top 1% of "white males" more than 99% of everyone else. I encourage all those who are suffering from the OPPRESSION by the Progressive BULLIES who control the mainline churches to consider what I am sharing and to prayerfully consult God about it.

REASON #3. Maybe the pastor wanted to remain in the "denomination" (not biblical, BTW), and be salt and light in a dark and lost organization. I wouldn't do it, but some men might.

Don't he believe the Lord will supply all his needs according to his riches and glory and do more exceedingly abundantly what he can ask for or begin to imagine.

Have family that are UMC… Why don’t pastors leave? Retirement fund. Point blank. Money.

There may be those who truly believe that they can help, in a small way, to bring the UMC back to what it used to be, to what it should be.

I participated in and then watched this fight for 40 years. the cowardly ministers always covered their own cowardice with, "we must stay and fight", but of course, they never really fought. We are NEVER commanded in Scripture to "stay and fight". We are commanded to "go out from among them"

I think it partly depends on what the UMC decision means for local congregations. Is a local congregation now obliged to follow those decisions, or is it left to the decision of each local congregation how far to go with this? Is a minister now being forced to conduct same-sex weddings against their conscience? Or can a local congregation and an individual clergyperson still say “no”? If there is still a high degree of local church and clergy autonomy, I can see why a pastor might choose to stay, especially if they still have the opportunity to preach the Gospel clearly and without compromise in that place. But I can guarantee you that there will eventually be a lot of pressure from higher church courts on the non-conforming pastors to get in line.

Stayed for that good retirement package.

God is speaking...are ears listening...not just hearing sounds that form words...

Prophetically warned, but choosing their own way, they follow their own paths to Hell & beyond

Hey! May I come in? I'm of course an absolute outsider to this thread, YT gave me the video, and I wish just to have my 2 cents on the matter: I don't believe you're right on your #1, if I'm understanding that well. Big Evangelical congregations have already left UMC and they're elsewhere right now, save for the ones still dealing with both denominational or state side bureaucracies to simply have their activities regularized for good. The few Pastors remaining on that front are those whose congregations refused to leave and those will deal with it till they get retired. Most of them wouldn't be pretty young by the way. But I can perfectly to understand your #2. Several Pastors will to ask themselves "where would I go without my community?" and then, yes, that should have economical consequences for both them and their communities. From one day to another, they'd be without a congregation and the congregation without a Pastor. Remain would be a compromise to not let anyone behind. Permit me just to add a #3: Rural area communities have nowhere to go without the main denomination: Imagine "that" rural area Parish with just 20 members attending weekly? Where would they go without the main denomination? Bust at best; each one to their home and the property sold to someone else at worst, and no Pastor to serve them.

Why dont orthodox United Methodists form their own Methodist Church

Because they have never understood scripture.

I believe this is what happened in the church thst I attend.

Very sad 😢

My mother and step father were very active. I had to go to MYF every Sunday night after having gone in the morning. Today 70 years later I am an atheist. I find this whole thing hilarious. It is all about

I don't find his rationalizing to be satisfactory or correct. A Pastor who is not teaching the Word of God and is not willing to defend it is not being faithful and should be avoided. Regarding this nonsense about paying to leave a denomination. The church is not a building or facilities, it's people who believe that Christ has redeemed them thru his death and resurrection. It costs absolutely nothing to gather at another location and worship together. People are making the small things the important things.

Sounds like it's either money or ego or he's a false preacher. There is no other reason to stay.

Plz stop babbling let get to the point plz

they don't want to lose their "retirement"