2 Stroke Cylinder Honing Facts and How I do it

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3 жыл бұрын

2 Stroke Cylinder Honing Facts and How I do it
In this video...
- I explain what I've learned about 2 stroke honing
- Going over the tools needed to remove piston transfer
- Going over the different honing tools available
- Honing the cylinder
- Cleaning the cylinder
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@MichaelSabo 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for watching my video; I hope this helps anyone that needs to hone their cylinder. Links are below! BRUSH RESEARCH MANUALS - info.brushresearch.com/downloa... Tools/Fluids Flex Hone (71-73mm) - amzn.to/2EiKFZe Brush Hone (63-76mm) - amzn.to/3ggYeWv Stone Hone (2-7inches) - amzn.to/3iQRNeq Bore Brush - amzn.to/2Yjo469 Muriatic Acid - amzn.to/34eaEvT Engine ICE - amzn.to/2FKUFvf Honing Oil - amzn.to/3hhTkK1 Red Scotch Brite Pads - amzn.to/2S5I4pD Milwaukee M12 Fuel Kit - amzn.to/3b9GXvL

@moose6536 3 жыл бұрын

Awesome video man, very educational. Keep up the great work.

@dawiebekker215 3 жыл бұрын

So glad to see she's running bro!!!!! Think you nailed the honing!!!!

@Bendover-ri5tx 3 жыл бұрын

Great to see it run again will we get another first ride soon ?

@MichaelSabo 3 жыл бұрын

@@Bendover-ri5tx yessir, it will be live at 6:15 PM ET Saturday!

@kurtnichols3720 3 жыл бұрын

Probably could of had a machine shop hone it for the cost it was for buying all the hones

@almightysanchez4565 3 жыл бұрын

I feel like people that take their time and research with an Open mind are a rare breed. Much love and respect 🖤💪🏿

@250rtrxjunkie 3 жыл бұрын

Indeed 🤙

@evanleonard1989 3 жыл бұрын

👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

@MichaelSabo 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much man 🤘

@Icallagitidur 3 жыл бұрын

@@250rtrxjunkie .q.q 1.ĺlĺĺĺ1

@talenrussell1395 3 жыл бұрын

He’s getting payed too

@betarider9392 3 жыл бұрын

Hey Michael! Great video. Thanks for the recognition. I must say I am impressed with the job you did removing the aluminum transfer from the cylinder wall. I'm even more impressed with the hone job. That cylinder looked great! You did exactly what you should have by rotating the hone in both directions. The brush hone that you tried was probably too large in diameter like you said, but you really don't need it. Trust me, that cylinder finish is great. If i had to nit pick anything, it would be to oscillate the drill a bit faster to get a little steeper angle on the crosshatch. It is still going to work great, I'm splitting hairs here. Sounded good when you ran it, just make sure you heat cycle the engine a few times to seat those new rings in that fresh bore. You have to find "too rich" and "too lean" with your carb jetting to know where "just right" is. This will take some time and effort. Shoot me a text or give me a call if i can assist in any way. Thanks again and God bless!

@FreedomInc 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for giving him advise so he could relay it. I appreciate you

@just_in_time5518 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Herb for spending all this time with Mike. You just didnt help him out you helped me out and prob a lot of others. Thank you very much sir! :)

@betarider9392 3 жыл бұрын

@@just_in_time5518 Glad to be able to help. You're welcome.

@betarider9392 3 жыл бұрын

@@FreedomInc Glad to help!

@ralphthedog1680 3 жыл бұрын

I too appreciate your expert advice that can be a help to many.

@breakwood8531 3 жыл бұрын

This was a blessing in disguise. Not only did you learn how to hone, doing a great job at it btw but giving us awesome content. Thanks brother.

@MintyMotos 3 жыл бұрын

Just want to say I have rebuilt around 45 bikes in 2 years and have watched an outrageous amount of videos but this is by far the best one I've seen. I thought honing was way to much work and very "sketchy" but you just made me add this to my shop! Amazing video man!! Taking time and doing research and sharing with us. Appreciate it! Keep up the work!!

@EuroTrashTV. 3 жыл бұрын

Michel sabo is such an inspiration! Just rebuilt my rm 85 top to bottom and she is a beast!

@GJGAMING5 3 жыл бұрын

I got abit upset thinking I wouldn’t hear it running in this video....them BAM like always mike stuck to his word and let us hear the heart beat once again😍

@thebuck8758 3 жыл бұрын

I’ve watched this 3 different times and everytime I fall asleep and this is why I’m here for a 4th time goodnight boys

@kevindement7418 3 жыл бұрын

Nothing like the sound of a 2 stroke, big smile when it fired up. Waiting for the next video of cylinder reassembly. Great video Michael.

@baby-sharkgto4902 3 жыл бұрын

I've been building engines for 30 years and when I was a beginner and poor and didn't know any better I used the tripple stone hones. I would never use one now because everyone knows a ball hone is the real deal. I have never seen or heard of a brush hone until these last 2 videos. I really do enjoy your videos and especially your personality. Id rather hire a less experienced mechanic who's not too cool to ask questions than one who thinks he knows it all.

@cycletechperformance9581 2 жыл бұрын

@@jaysmokey Wrong!

@alessandromazzocchetti6060 2 ай бұрын

Use a ball hone only to deglaze the surface and to restore the cross hatch. Honing to size is a different thing and you gotta use the stones.

@user-uv1ht9fv7u 55 минут бұрын

Great video. I am about to dive into rebuilding two 2-stroke bikes for my wife and myself, without spending new bike money. Appreciate your research and detail. Keep the vids coming!

@thomasgronek6469 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the video For lack of anything else, I used a stone hone for master cyinders to deglaze a chainsaw cylinder, and used citronella oil for a lubricant, It took about 5 seconds, and resulted in a beautiful finish.

@jeredalmeida1880 3 жыл бұрын

Your video production is looking very polished. Your content is thorough and educational. Nice work!

@madmechanix4962 2 жыл бұрын

Dude!! Exactly the video I needed I am tired of two-3 week waits from a machine shop.. I saved a couple cylinders just to test my theory

@andrewjackson6986 3 жыл бұрын

U never fail to keep me interested and waiting on the next episode keep up the good work brother cant wait to see u ripping this thing!!!!!

@SNELLERIZED 3 жыл бұрын

I'm relieved to see that you took my advice and removed the transfer by hand before honing. The cylinder looks great. The only thing I would suggest is that you hone way less and then check your work. It generally does not take near that much honing to do the job. Looks great though!

@LOGAN22 3 жыл бұрын

hell yeah!!! i cant wait to see riding videos with the 250r!!

@just_in_time5518 3 жыл бұрын

Dude great video! Thanks for going into detail with these hones! Not alot of info out there video wise. I just used the ball hone ( flex hone) a month ago on my top end rebuild for my 1996 rm125. And it worked great! Sounds great again! Big thanks to Herb also for giving u all this info for us also! i learned a lot!

@jordanpanich 3 жыл бұрын

Nice work, Mike! I appreciate you sharing all of your research and knowledge!

@arcticfragrances2454 3 ай бұрын

Nice video. Thank you. Always a controversial topic. From my research I’ve read: With this product one is deglazing and cross hatching. Not officially “honing” …..not cutting down and increasing bore size. 1. How smooth or rough the cylinder wall required somewhat depends upon the material used in your piston ring. 2. Cast Iron piston rings (used years ago but can still be purchased) require a rough cylinder wall. Here you would use a rough grit (120) - Silicone Carbide (SC) Flex-Hone. This is considered rough grit. 3. Alloy Steel piston rings (this is today’s industry standard used in almost all top end kits) in a Cast Iron (sleeve) cylinder head recommends the use of (SC) Silicon Caribe Flex-Hone at 180 (Medium) Grit. 3. A Nikasil (Nickel Plated) Cylinder requires the use of an (AO) Aluminum Oxide Flex-Hone at 240 (Fine) Grit as recommended by BRM. From snowmobile experience, always a good idea to use higher end “forged” pistons. More expensive than cast pistons but worth it. 4. You can order specific piston rings from Hastings if desired. (Cast Iron, Alloy Steel, Stainless Steel) hastingspistonrings.com

@hillonwheels8838 3 жыл бұрын

All I have ever used in my old 2t bikes was a ball hone. All I have ever heard about the stone hones is that they tend to leave groves in the cylinder where the ends of the stones contact the bore. Nice job and look forward to hearing the bike run again.

@ExticyOn2Wheels 3 жыл бұрын

Hell yeah! Glad shes back up and running

@haydene3802 11 ай бұрын

Thank you for this video! Currently rebuilding my first 2 stroke and this helped a lot

@andyb9994 3 жыл бұрын

Looks great fine job 👍. I've never used the muriatic acid and just ran the flex hone through the cylinder and used dawn dish soap then dried well and lubed and ran for years, never did blow up. But you always do great work. It's a sweet quad. I would enjoy working on, sounds awesome love that pipe.👍

@joshuasmiley583 2 жыл бұрын

I've been trying to research myself for a little while, and you sir have a good video

@dyland6647 3 жыл бұрын

Hell yeah brother!! Man I love this 250 love the hole build cant wait to see it ripping again! Great job not rushing it

@Singh_1989 10 ай бұрын

Great information in this video! I am rebuilding a 1979 ts125 that I was going to use a stone hone on, and boy am I glad I decided to research before I jumped into it. Now I just need to find me some acid and a ball hone!

@jaimeheredia6738 3 жыл бұрын

Its nice to sit down after a long day of online homework and watch Michael work his magic.

@andeanrider6355 3 жыл бұрын

Great video. Learning , learning all the time. Thanks for sharing.

@willbianco8931 3 жыл бұрын

Mike I love your videos some incredible builds and also mistakes but being so humble about it is very inspiring as always great video

@MichaelSabo 3 жыл бұрын

I appreciate the love and feedback bro!

@DBC_Racing 3 жыл бұрын

The 9 dislikes must be the couple guys that were mad this process worked super well! LOL! Killer video again Mike. Cant wait to rip LS with you soon.

@TitaniummanGarage 3 жыл бұрын

Very informative video. I do a lot of honing on my polaris's. You confirmed some of the myths I have proven wrong too. I didn't know about the Muriatic acid. I will be giving that a try. Thanks.

@MichaelSabo 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the feedback! The Muriatic acid works amazingly well.

@alphapackoffroad 2 жыл бұрын

I Just got one for doing the rzr 800 build I'm currently doing on my channel. This helped me a lot.

@joseamadomartinezjimenez7908 3 жыл бұрын

I really like your videos, I thank you for explaining what you are doing before hand especially because something very similar just happened to my polaris 400 2 stroke , thanks again and great job on 250r

@MichaelSabo 3 жыл бұрын

I appreciate the feedback man; thank you for watching my videos!

@Dfour 3 жыл бұрын

Phenomenal job saving that cylinder 🤙🏼 this channel keeps getting better

@MichaelSabo 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you bro! 🤘

@danielcastelow7523 3 жыл бұрын

Super glad you got that thing up and running bro great job on honing and cleaning the cylinder out bro I enjoyed watching love it 🤘🤘🖒🖒

@deucenine4life813 3 жыл бұрын

Can’t wait to see it up and running again

@wortexinternational2598 Жыл бұрын

Followed the instructions and video to the dot and the result is a perfect cylinder wall, albeit with a huge scratch in it, so it will sold as core for sleeve. The rest however looks terrific with the cross hatch and no sign of piston aluminium. Thank you ! I feel that I learned a lot and more importantly have confidence now to tackle a job like this.

@4thdimensiontravels855 Жыл бұрын

Man I LOVE it that you are using hot water and soap. The only way to truly removd the particles and debris within your cross hatch surface. Starting to love youf channel.

@josephparnell5020 6 ай бұрын

I've been getting ready to do my first engine rebuild. This video has been very helpful. Lots of good info thanks bro.

@braddurham145 3 жыл бұрын

Yeah thats how I honed mine thanks for sharing the motor sounds perfect great job

@nastysoda9212 Жыл бұрын

Thank you! I have 2 YZ250's I'm redoing the top ends and was wondering if I should hone them or not. After watching your video I know exactly what to do, how and why. Perfect video!

@woodcutter4481 3 жыл бұрын

I use the same ball Hone when repairing chainsaws. Your cylinder came out great. Maybe next time I will try the acid . I usually use sandpaper to remove the transfer. Nice video

@700rRaptorLife 3 жыл бұрын

im glad u got it back running man good job

@braydenl1 3 жыл бұрын

He knows his stuff. Hell of a mechanic 🧰

@ps.adv.9851 3 жыл бұрын

Very good info. Thanks Michael. The honing worked well. Cool 👌

@eddiesheeran5791 3 жыл бұрын

That's a really great tech tip for cleaning aluminum out of cylinders, I hadn't heard of it before. The hissing noise is flammable hydrogen gas being released as the aluminum and hydrochloric acid react.

@gearedupkim9516 3 жыл бұрын

Great video!!👍 Thanks for all the step by step detailed info. I’ve been checking into the ball hone prior to this...after your video I feel very comfortable using this to hone my cylinders. Subbed to your channel because of this video.👍

@270raptor 3 жыл бұрын

Awesome ! I have always used only a stone hone , but I will by a flex hone for my next build

@allanjohnson2552 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for doing research. I work mostly on large Diesel engines. I was quite amazed at the muriatic acid trick. I forsure thought-the cylinder was scrap.

@PremixandPedals 2 жыл бұрын

I'm glad I stumbled upon your video! A lot of great information and presented very well! Thank you!

@joev467 2 ай бұрын

Awesome!!!....extremely honest and informative video! Thank you

@jimmadonna1436 3 жыл бұрын

Looking forward to seeing you riding it!

@gregorywilliams6219 Жыл бұрын

Thanks! I have been doing the research also. It has been very frustrating! Found your video, and now I know! Now I can finish my 1982 IT 250, but without the acid! lol

@Junior-fd8ux 3 жыл бұрын

Great video, I really enjoyed seeing how far you take your homework on the projects that you're working on. Also respect that you don't have the i everything attitude when you know more than most people will ever know. If you have any horrible looking exhaust pipes that you have given up or plan on cleaning up some day give them a dip in that muriatic acid. It does quick work. PS thanks for the link on the hones for Nikasil cylinders. Iv been afraid to use the reg hone i use on my steel sleeves.. Great work

@jamievalleau2242 8 ай бұрын

great video, thanks for sharing all of your hard work with us!

@justinmather6165 6 ай бұрын

You can always count on this guy to give you solid information when your searching for some guidance

@supermairo1716 3 жыл бұрын

Awesome video great information I’ve honed out a cylinder of my own with a stone hone like yours and it worked great some people do say not to use it on a 2 stroke because of the ports and I agree with them I used my hone on a crf70 4 stroke because the cylinder was so worn out it made a noticeably big ridge in the cylinder so much you could feel it pretty good with your finger and all I did was buy a bigger piston and honed the cylinder out so the cylinder was even all the way around this was my first time ever trying something like this and the bike runs just fine no smoke and good compression i recommend just doing it on 4 strokes with this particular hone just to be safe and when doing 2 strokes do the same thing and get a ball hone you can use a ball on 4 strokes but they are more expensive just my own opinion

@miguelbarreiros1818 3 жыл бұрын

How can you have people disliking this videos.. Great job man...👍🍻

@Bidalotroxi 3 жыл бұрын

Been waiting for this video for a long time!!

@anthonymechling1434 3 жыл бұрын

Man!! That thing sounds so good. Nice work bro🤘...

@chrisbilling 7 ай бұрын

Thanks for sharing all this knowledge

@TNTMOTO 3 жыл бұрын

Great video, very informative.

@1970genes 3 жыл бұрын

Used the Flex hone on my YZ426 and older CR250...came out perfect.

@oceanschool 3 жыл бұрын

Did you happen to run a stock piston or did you need to measure for a new size after honing?

@robwinter3183 9 ай бұрын

Nice - thank you for sharing....I learned a lot.

@robertreighard6102 3 жыл бұрын

I love watching your videos and with your flex gone we’ve used them on are cr500’s and I have my cylinder guy use them on my rm250’s and my kx500

@carlosonate4450 2 жыл бұрын

Very good video thanks for your patience

@kevinproctor8743 11 ай бұрын

Hey a great video. I am familiar with honing 4 stoke large bore engines with flex hones. I wasn't aware that they could be used with 2 stroke inlet and exhaust ports. Clearly you can. Excellent information

@christianmccollum1028 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the info. About to hone my 89 Honda-FL400R-Pilot's cylinder. Now I know which hone to buy.

@jamesBGgarner 2 жыл бұрын

Awesome to see u get her running again

@jesseandrade3342 3 жыл бұрын

This was very helpful thank you

@lanestangel4904 3 жыл бұрын

Great video, thank Michael

@Slane583 3 жыл бұрын

Nice job with the honing, she looks good as new. Getting to hear it run in the end was worth the days of waiting. As for me, I found out my truck has more problems than I thought. The mechanic I brought it to found some structural rot on the frame and wouldn't fix the fuel issue. It's just too unsafe to be on the road. It's a bummer, but the upside is I got a brand new truck coming to me. It had to be brought in from another dealer, so we'll be picking it up Monday. So it looks like the YZ will be napping for a while longer, getting to work is more important. I'm also quite excited, it may only be a lease, but this is my first new vehicle. Everything thing I've owned has been hand-me-downs that were on their last legs. :)

@MrSimmoco Жыл бұрын

I know it's an old vid and there are way too many comments to check but the spiral hone from Wiseco is for 4 stroke cylinders 👍Great vid👍

@kenyonchugg7570 Жыл бұрын

This guy Probably shouldn't even be using a ball hone on a 2t. Interesting...

@brandondixon4457 Жыл бұрын

@betarider still helping out with the solid info for the channel, used this video to rebuild my sons kx85 top end

@cannedham3774 3 жыл бұрын

What a great video. Thanks and thanks Herb !!!!

@420motoripper2 3 жыл бұрын

Getting drunk af and watching your videos is the best🤟🏻 can’t wait to rip

@jackcecil1012 3 жыл бұрын

Dont ride drunk I learnt that the hard way

@ewa2929 3 жыл бұрын

Nice job.first time i did that was on a 85 ATC 250r.I was nervous as hell.

@donniebaker5984 3 жыл бұрын

It doesn't hurt a thing to round out the edges of your ports ...if you don't keep a good chamfer on the ports ..the sharp edges will destroy a new set of piston rings in about a day ...there are specs for chamfering the ports in the Honda cr250r service manual . Also specs for the concave of the bridge port on the exhaust ....if it is too shallow ..it will burn the piston ring at that same spot

@markrogers7044 3 жыл бұрын

Great Video!! Very informative. Kudos!!

@garygarnett6469 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing the Brush Search Company looks like an A one company I’ve been looking at company to buy from for awhile as I do quad Moto x and jet ski work 👍👍

@jacobfitzwater6957 3 жыл бұрын

Sounds killer dude. That 2 stroke pop could put me to sleep😂

@jerrybatianis9575 3 жыл бұрын

Very good informative content as always

@jefferybye2169 2 жыл бұрын

Another great educational video dude like always..🤘

@mikeyalmaraz2325 3 жыл бұрын

Truly awsome job good sir.

@rednecksdoitbetter491 3 жыл бұрын

Nice to see a video of the 250r getting worked on I’m thinking about putting a 250 motor on a racing lawnmower 😂 but anyways have a good one man

@JaySmith-kk6lh 3 жыл бұрын

Maybe someone already said this but a common practice I do is I use a stone hone but I wrap it with wet sanding paper and use WD-40 and that keeps the stones from walking into the ports works really good

@XJonAye 6 ай бұрын

Nice, very informative, thank you

@blessedinjax 2 жыл бұрын

Shout out to the goat herb! Mike I appreciate you doing your research and bringing us the facts I didn’t kno shit about honing a cylinder or why you would need to But not only do I know why but I also know how to Thx man really appreciate your videos and hope one day I’m in a position to work one some bikes Love your work bro

@chadriddle3517 3 жыл бұрын

First I wanna say badass shirt I just got mine a few weeks ago! I love it because I had the exact same quad that’s on the shirt ! 2nd killer video and thanks for all the great content man! Good job

@robertedwards6731 3 жыл бұрын

Nice work Mike!

@dennisbagatin4480 3 жыл бұрын

Nice job mike she sounds awesome cant wait for videos 👍🇨🇦

@landon_playz2536 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks, this really helped me out a lot

@docsen9777 3 жыл бұрын

Great video... And awesome sound at the end 🤘🤘

@MichaelSabo 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you docsen9777!

@monster2269 3 жыл бұрын

Good job Michael. You have done some good research. Please mention Plateau Honing next time. Several good reference articles are available on the WEB. Thanks for covering this topic.