How To Hone A Winning Engine Block - NHRA Champ Greg Anderson Shares His Secrets!

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Жыл бұрын

When NHRA Pro Stock's winningest driver opens the door to his shop and shows you how to hone an engine block , you might want to get out a note pad! Greg Anderson reveals the machine, the process, the inspection tools (and even the abrasives) he uses to hone race winning engine blocks.
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@WyFoster Жыл бұрын

In college I built along with my friend a stock for 302. (We were poor college kids) We meticulously went over every machining step. Got a new set of stock replacement pistons. So, it was truly stock. Balanced the rotating assembly to withing a gram. Honed, align honed, trued up the deck and heads. We put out 288hp when factory was 210. Man we were proud.

@TotalSeal Жыл бұрын

👍👍

@israelmathes6268 Жыл бұрын

I used to not care much for Mr Anderson, but it was only because he kept beating my favorite pro stock driver and friend Allen Johnson. After watching your videos he really is a cool dude. Since Allen is no longer now pull for Mr Anderson on race weekend.

@TotalSeal Жыл бұрын

Greg is a great guy!

@alfee9411 3 ай бұрын

Yeah I kinda felt that way too WJ all of the way

@larryanderson2766 11 ай бұрын

Both of you are a total class act. These videos are appreciated

@TotalSeal 11 ай бұрын

Wow, thank you!

@simonm7776 4 ай бұрын

Amazing machine. Great idea, for accuracy, to torque down a dummy cylinder head

@edsmachine93 Жыл бұрын

Very nice guys. The Rottler and Gregg's skills came throught on the Ford. Thanks for sharing. Take care, Ed.

@TotalSeal Жыл бұрын

Thanks!

@billshiff2060 11 ай бұрын

I came up with "plateau honeing" back in 1980 in prostock. It is just applying normal bearing design to cylinder surfaces and there is a friction an oil control element to it also. Before that Pro stockers used a straight fine hone finish.

@seanbrown8269 Жыл бұрын

Great stuff! Very excited to see the results! Would love more info on the best uses for gas ported pistons, versus rings, versus vertical gas ports, when to use what and why?

@TotalSeal Жыл бұрын

Vertical gas ports on the piston are best for max power, but they have the shortest life. Gas ported piston rings have the longest life with the same power increase as lateral gas ported pistons.

@supercuda1950 Жыл бұрын

I used to hate to see Greg run (especially against a Dodge) but now that Dodge is Pro Stock history and I see that he does his homework, I am really impressed with him. Thanks for educating me even though at 73 I don't see me competing against you. I may never use the tech you are showing but maybe I can impress my garage buddies with my knowledge. Thanks again and good luck in your racing. dodge

@TotalSeal Жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

@Frank289100 10 ай бұрын

DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT'S BEEN GOING ON IN PRO STOCK SINCE 1983 WHEN THEY MANDATED TO 500 CUBIC INCH RULE. WHAT GREG ANDERSON AND THE REST OF THE GM CHEVY GUYS WERE RUNNING UNDER THE HOOD. WAS CALL THE DRCE - DRAG RACE COMPETITION ENGINE. THE 500 CUBIC INCH RULE WAS GM'S WAY HAVING THE NHRA IN THEIR POCKETS FOR YEARS. IS HOW THEY GOT THE NHRA TO MANDATE THAT 500 CUBIC INCH RULE. TO GET RID OF THE FORD CLEVELAND DOMINANCE. THEN WARREN JOHNSON ALONG WITH GM TOOK A OLDSMOBILE BLOCK AND STUFFED IT LIKE A THANKSGIVING DAY TURKEY WITH A ROTATING ASSEMBLY FROM A BIG BLOCK CHEVY. THEN THEY MADE A BIG PAIR OF FORD CLEVELAND HEADS FOR IT. SO WHAT GREG ANDERSON, WARREN JOHNSON AND ALL THE REST OF THEM WINNING RACES UNDER THE HOOD OF THEIR CHEVYS WAS NOTHING MORE THAN A BIG CUBE FORD CLEVELAND MOTOR. THIS IS THE REASON FORD DOES NOT PARTICIPATE IN PRO STOCK. BECAUSE IT IS ALREADY A FORD POWERED VENUE. THIS IS WHEN BOB GLIDDEN WENT OUT AND GOT THE OLD BOSS 429 NASCAR MOTOR. AND BY HIMSELF, ONE CAR ALONE. YEAR AFTER YEAR CRUSHED A ARMY OF GM PRODUCTS. GM YEAR AFTER YEAR STARTED TO CAST NEW HEADS,BLOCKS TO MAKE THEIR BIG CUBE CLEVELAND ENGINE FASTER TO BEAT GLIDDEN'S BOSS. AND AS THEY GOT FASTER GLIDDEN WOULD SLIGHTLY PORT HIS BOSS HEADS KEEPING HIM AHEAD OF THE ALL OF THEM. THIS IS THE REASON I CALL IT THE PHONY RACING CHEVY DYNASTY. FOR DECADES SINCE THE AMA BAND OF 1957. CHEVY HAS BEEN CHEATING THEIR WAY TO THE FINISH LINE..

@johnnyhonda7576 Жыл бұрын

I had to screenshot the engine. I was hoping it was a Cleveland but not so. Thanks for all the videos

@TotalSeal Жыл бұрын

Yep, It's an R block.

@4speed3pedals 6 ай бұрын

One factor not mentioned about using the torque plate is bolt length. Ford uses bolts of the same length but the small block Chevy has used 3 lengths since 1955. The exposed bolts are short and the others under the valve cover are long. In the past, the 2 end bolts under the covers were slightly shorter than the other 7. I have spoken with some people during an AERA webinar and mentioned this and the speaker said that the bolts that are used should realistically be the length of the bolts used in final assembly. This means spacers are required for 9 of the head bolts. He said it makes a difference if all the bolts are short.

@TotalSeal 6 ай бұрын

Great point.

@TurboV8boi 9 ай бұрын

Dang it, I don't see part 2 yet! haha I'm really looking forward to seeing what the new parts do (and same cam). I'm going to hone my block so of course I'm on KZfaq figuring it out and I get a good idea on how the "garage guy" would do it then I see this... the best way to do it. Pretty cool stuff.

@TotalSeal 8 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching. The other video is coming out soon.

@roncoburn7771 Жыл бұрын

gregg is awesome great video lake can you tell him i need my harley cylinders honed on that rottler

@TotalSeal Жыл бұрын

LOL

@ericrmk7608 9 ай бұрын

@TotalSeal.... Your videos are a great asset to help us understand so many aspects of the honing and ring process.... Sincere question here... that NO ONE answers... WHERE can we find the shops that run the new Rottler equipment that are production shops that will take in small shop or idividual work? Over the recent years... in most of your videos.. you are showing the process on the all of the great new machines... Great to show these processes...but with no facility to offer the services... where are we?? These new Rottler machines are incredible.. and offer control in the builds to provide 1)Accuracy 2)Cylinder-to-Cylinder repeatability to give the the RVK/RPK values... All so we have engines that require only minor break in... and provide what we need. I've called Rottler and myriad shops with ZERO headway with this question. And YES... Sure.... an experienced machinist.... with fastidious attention to detail, using an older machine... can provide the result... BUT... (big but)...you will have a better chance of correct outcome, repeatedly, with the modern hones as shown in your MANY videos. Finding the combo your show in your vid here... hit and miss (more miss across the country) v=w_QvQaHYzNs Any help with this and some direction would be much appreciated.

@TotalSeal 9 ай бұрын

Thanks for the reply. Ed Kiebler and Scott Rowe at Rottler know where these machines are. They can help you.

@vdubs4life1964 6 күн бұрын

here is a test.. Hone the block with the torque plate, take the torque plate off and bolt on the actual head and remeasure from the bottom of the block.

@rolfemarquis1017 24 күн бұрын

i hadn a question more than a comment. you said how important the honing numbers are for valley depth. this is the 4th thime ive built the motr and every time we went deeper on the valleys the bore looked better. last hone was at 65-70 depth this time they went 130 on the valley does that spound to deep? it sounds a little deep and i dont want to have consumption issues. its a 4cyl turbo app with forged pistons and iron block at 507 hp atm tune wise and anywhere from 25-30 psi boost.

@robertledford7065 Жыл бұрын

Ive watched a lot of your videos. From what Ive gathered using Sunnen stones, Ive changed how I I remove down to .0004-.0005" with a 70 or 120 grit depending on how much boost it will see and then finish up with a 280. I like to run a ball hone in reverse 2-3 strokes to go against the honed grain and then forward another 2-3 and it looks awesome. I am pretty confident my numbers close to right but im planning to rent a profilometer to be precise. Can you give me any advice on how to find info on setting it up? Its a Mitutoyo SJ-210 series 178 and Ill only have it a few days to check my Rvk and Rpk values. Is that the same model used in your videos? Thanks a lot for all the helpful info!

@TotalSeal Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the question. Here’s a video on how to set it up. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/r9FnZ8aZqbyxaI0.html

@rockwasequim5924 7 ай бұрын

I can't afford this, but I want too. Nice work snd machine.

@TotalSeal 7 ай бұрын

You and me both!

@KimiWallrus 11 ай бұрын

Music sounds H.E.D.dy 😉 We see you Pete!

@gordowg1wg145 11 ай бұрын

I see you machined it with the main caps in place - might mention the importance of that for the shape of the bore bottoms? Quite some years back, there was a fad for hot honing - running hot water through the coolant passages to replicate the thermal distortion - have you noticed any difference and/or would it be worth-while for alloy rather than CI blocks?

@TotalSeal 11 ай бұрын

Hot honing is great for regular cast iron and Aluminum blocks.

@doggfriendly 11 ай бұрын

When installing a torque plate should we be using number 2 permatex on head bolts that go into water ?

@TotalSeal 11 ай бұрын

That is not needed when installing the torque plate just for honing.

@jimhmod 11 ай бұрын

What kind of storage procedure/engine fogging/whatever do you use for storing an engine? I'll assume you unloaded the valve train.

@TotalSeal 11 ай бұрын

We highly recommend the Foggit product for storage.

@doggfriendly 11 ай бұрын

What was said at 3:03 into video ? I could not for the life of me hear or reason out what he said he could see they were not doing. Then the guest said well some people live and die for it etc. Any help appreciated Stay blessed

@ryanwalsh3966 9 ай бұрын

I want my 14 Ram 5.7 bored and honed like this with a rottler. I am an hour from Nashville TN. Where can I get this done?

@TotalSeal 9 ай бұрын

Shacklett Automotive near the Fairgrounds. They have a Rottler and know how to hone like this.

@joe-hp4nk 11 ай бұрын

I don't have torque plates at home, can I still hone my engine?

@TotalSeal 11 ай бұрын

Yes, you can hone an engine without torque plates. it just won't have as good of bore geometry as if you did have torque plates.

@GNX157 2 ай бұрын

What are you saying at 3:03 ? What are you not doing?

@808vws8 2 ай бұрын

I wonder if they would build me a watercolled 1.8T or a 2.8 VR6? I luv to have a solid motor built by such a great team. Aloha from Hawaii

@TotalSeal 2 ай бұрын

Aloha! The guys at KB Titan just build Pro Stock engines...

@danielhoyos2334 8 ай бұрын

How much for honing a Block? Where are you guys located?

@TotalSeal 8 ай бұрын

Contact the folks at Rottler Mfg to find a shop with one of these hones near you.

@gagepool4175 Жыл бұрын

If you don't have access to a profilometer, what's a Good "All Around" honing procedure/Diamond selection to achieve correct surface finish? And does it only apply to "new" Rings that need more valley or does these new procedures of honing benefit older style Rings packages also? Thanks

@TotalSeal Жыл бұрын

We highly recommend investing in a profilometer as that is the only way to know what your honing process created. Short of that, follow the procedure shown in this video. That will get you in the ballpark.

@gagepool4175 Жыл бұрын

@@TotalSeal 10-4 Thanks

@lukesimeon5756 10 ай бұрын

Great video guys can’t tell you how much I appreciate the info... I live in southeast Louisiana... I don’t own the machine equipment or a profilometer to do my own cylinder finishing but would really like to get my blocks done by someone who does... could you recommend anyone in the Gulf Coast region that you know has the equipment to do it correctly... if not then could you maybe put up a list of the shops that you know have this equipment outside my area... I know this is a tall order but I think many of your viewers would benefit from this as well as me... I appreciate your time

@jacksonmyers1126 10 ай бұрын

That intake manifold in the background 🤫

@TotalSeal 9 ай бұрын

Good eyes!

@____MC____ 9 ай бұрын

What determines cross hatch angle?

@TotalSeal 9 ай бұрын

Mechanically, it is the speed of the stroke and rotational speed of the hone head. With the Rottler CNC hone, you just enter the value you want, and the hone does all the math to deliver that angle. In regards to how to choose a cross hatch angle, we made a video on that as well: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/mbh5ga5jtJyXd4E.html

@____MC____ 9 ай бұрын

@@TotalSeal awsome

@billshiff2060 11 ай бұрын

3:00 Hot honing is an impossible dream. Just heating up the whole thing does nothing but make the entire thing bigger. It does not simulate the heat in a running engine and never will/can. The upper cylinder runs hotter than the lower cylinder and much hotter than the bottom of the block while the cooling water flow changes it all again. Then there is heat input into the block from the cylinder head that is uneven.

@bluegizmo1983 11 ай бұрын

Honing an engine block to perfection is easy! You just take one of those spring loaded three stone hone thingies and chuck it in a handheld drill and go to town on that thing! 🤣

@SirCoolJerk1030 9 ай бұрын

I have never seen a rusted cylinder Clean up with .001 honing.

@TotalSeal 9 ай бұрын

Greg and the Rottler hone got it done.

@pauljanssen7594 11 ай бұрын

One time we honed a rusty block and it had a pinhole rust holes basically the the block was toast. Not worth taking a chance on the block when they're dime a dozen.

@bobirving6052 10 ай бұрын

Those rust pinholes may not have even made a noticeable difference in power or blowby.

@paulsmith-ld8xl 29 күн бұрын

Rattler hone best hone in the business.

@cel729 8 күн бұрын

Now, if they could just give them away. 😂😂😂

@YouCantSawSawdust Жыл бұрын

If it made the same horsepower after 20 years,it had the wrong valve springs in it initially.

@TotalSeal 11 ай бұрын

No loss of spring rate over 20 years of storage. We have the original build sheet. The spring rates are within a pound or two now as when the engine was built.

@bobirving6052 10 ай бұрын

Wow!

@bobirving6052 10 ай бұрын

Very professional builder, and top notch information!