20+yr Old Mustang Pushed to its Limits

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2 ай бұрын

This upload we measure up the little mighty 2v new edge mustang that could against caliber of cars that you would very much likely run into given the scenarios, like a tuned lexus isf and a bmw m550i. Despite the obvious power discrepancy, the 4.6 is ran through its paces at mach Jesus, as we pray we don't hit anything too bumpy that will affect the solid rear axle - ultimately throwing off the balance of the car.
That cheesesteak thing tasted like literal gasoline but at least we got some coo footage

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@sidewaysfoxbody
@sidewaysfoxbody 2 ай бұрын
'we pray we don't hit anything too bumpy that will affect the solid rear axle' - IYKYK 😶
@TractionCtrlOff
@TractionCtrlOff 2 ай бұрын
Ahh I see we got some mustang/live rear axle wheelmen in the chat finally
@ExtraWeenieSauce
@ExtraWeenieSauce Ай бұрын
@@TractionCtrlOff My cousin has an SN95, the rear wheels scrape on the fender plastics 💀
@That1GS
@That1GS 8 күн бұрын
i thought the SN95 was a Independent car
@itsjamilagain
@itsjamilagain 2 ай бұрын
Finally, a KZfaqr who actually drives.
@patrickbrogan4773
@patrickbrogan4773 2 ай бұрын
This is the average driver in new jersey tbh which is where it looks like this was filmed
@kickbackactivities
@kickbackactivities Ай бұрын
Actually drives ? Pfft I’ve seen the Kia boys do better
@ikonik6286
@ikonik6286 Ай бұрын
toms refurb pretty good too im open taking suggestions if yall got any
@ikonik6286
@ikonik6286 Ай бұрын
@@kickbackactivities kia got like 300hp max
@NudaMan
@NudaMan 2 ай бұрын
Lmao that ISF just keeps flying
@rlclosed3037
@rlclosed3037 2 ай бұрын
I love the sound of the 4.6 so much
@gabrielpichardo1492
@gabrielpichardo1492 2 ай бұрын
I feel that the car has more in it
@jaydog3163
@jaydog3163 2 ай бұрын
Bro pushing his limits on route 1. Bless your soul brother
@khakipeach2128
@khakipeach2128 2 ай бұрын
I like the camera placement cuz it’s nice being able to see the pedals
@TractionCtrlOff
@TractionCtrlOff 2 ай бұрын
I'm happy about that too bc I think footwork input in povs are def a important part
@dfawsefse
@dfawsefse 2 ай бұрын
bro defo keep posting this shi is so good the quality and everything is just top tier deserve way more subs imo
@Fast85FoxGT
@Fast85FoxGT 2 ай бұрын
Nice to see another New Edge enjoyer who understands these things aren't insane powerhouses, but still hold their own for being just a 2v. I have a 04 comp orange gt thats similar to yours, (3.73s, short throw, intake, longtubes/x pipe/catback, upper plenum and 75mm tb plus a shitty laptop 91 tune) and i have been able to surprise quite a few folk from digs and some subies from rolls with it. Its just a good reliable fun platform(also have a H/C/I 85 ttop fox but shes rotting away for now). You can drive the hell out of yours. I love these videos man. Good stuff!
@TractionCtrlOff
@TractionCtrlOff Ай бұрын
2v guys literally always get it it's unreal🤣 "Good reliable fun platform" like you nailed it, nothing more nothing less. I've been eyein the 3.73s ngl, the stock 3.27s I have during normal driving makes me puke😆 Also I know it's an old video but that fox sounds amazing I hope it gets some love soon🙌
@briannelson5432
@briannelson5432 2 ай бұрын
This is the first video I'm watching from u but if this is the content u always post I'm definitely subbing🔥🔥🔥🔥
@matthopkins1107
@matthopkins1107 2 ай бұрын
Beating the piss out of your car with 87 octane 😂😂😂
@TractionCtrlOff
@TractionCtrlOff 2 ай бұрын
It specifically states in the owners manual to put nothing other than 87 but I guess we out here putting ultra premium in anything😂😂😂
@matthopkins1107
@matthopkins1107 2 ай бұрын
@@TractionCtrlOff but if your beating the piss out of your car at higher rpm your going to have way more pre-detonation in your cylinders running shit gas. I’m sure the owners manual says recommended not “only 87”. Just out here giving some tips. That’s why you ain’t seeing none at the track running 87. When pre-detonation happens your start fucking shit up. Yea the ecu will pull timing and retard itself to run 87 perfectly fine but it burns nastier. If you can afford it run premium. If not run a tank of premium every so often.
@matthopkins1107
@matthopkins1107 2 ай бұрын
@@TractionCtrlOff thin is owners manuals are made for you to come back to the dealerships to get your shit fixed so try and avoid that. I run 27lbs of boost on my 15 regal says oil change every 10k miles if I did that my timing chain guides would need replaced every 40k miles
@TractionCtrlOff
@TractionCtrlOff 2 ай бұрын
Mann boosted car is a diff story but u gotta realize this is more or less a bone stock mustang, not only that what y'all see makes it seem this car is being beat to death but it’s maybe 5% of total drive time (if that) that it’s being ran like that, before or afterwards of any these encounters I’m cruising in 4-5th tryna get to where I’m going. This just a plain ol street car, your regal sounds sick tho Also for the record, just checked the manual online it says "Your vehicle is designed to use “Regular” unleaded gasoline with pump octane rating of 87", and on the next page explicitly titled "Fuel Quality" it says if you're having idling issues etc. “Premium" unleaded gasoline is not recommended because it may cause these problems to become more pronounced." You can check online I ain't BS'in ya. There's even a engine data chart with a box "required fuel" with 87 octane next to it. And you're right - they do want you keep coming in, which is why the maintenance schedule book says to change oil/filter every 5,000 for Ford🤣. Nothing wrong with that in my book tho, but yeah Buick saying 10k mile change is crazy haha. Super unrelated sidenote I always pump top tier gasoline (additive regulatory brand) regulated gas, which shell mobil all the big dogs use I KNEW u knew some shit tho as soon as I saw that foxbody pic and diy playlists🤣🤟 ppreciate the info g ima try it out sometime. All love your comment was funny as shit that's why I even responded tbh ...cos u def not wrong😂😂😂
@AB-gg9bc
@AB-gg9bc 2 ай бұрын
​@@matthopkins1107 the owner's manual is right, what a dealership tells you is a different history though, that Mustang uses 87 putting more is literally wasting money
@peach4855
@peach4855 2 ай бұрын
by far my favorite gen mustang!! u rock bro
@VTEC_E
@VTEC_E 2 ай бұрын
Damn bro been a minute since u last posted. I was missing the new edge experience
@TractionCtrlOff
@TractionCtrlOff 2 ай бұрын
The fact of you pointing that out and the speediness of your comment says it all🫶 Makes me happy asf that y'all get what I'm putting down ngl💀
@sixomula
@sixomula 2 ай бұрын
edging 🤨
@VTEC_E
@VTEC_E 2 ай бұрын
@@sixomula no man the 1999-2004 mustang is called the new edge mustang🤦🤦🤦
@imyopped4921
@imyopped4921 Ай бұрын
that 2v is purring, great video and fantastic driving dude.
@expeditionjay
@expeditionjay 2 ай бұрын
Fun video bud. I remember when the new edge cars were new. They were universally liked. I have had an f body, the direct competitor for mustang since back then and I still like and respect these new edge cars. It's a shame you dont see them anymore.
@TractionCtrlOff
@TractionCtrlOff Ай бұрын
Time flies, but things have come a long way since then for sure! And I love F bodies, fingers crossed I never run into one of those bc I know how potent they are even from factory🫡
@OxySyrup
@OxySyrup 2 ай бұрын
You deserve more subscribers very well made video and great driving
@TractionCtrlOff
@TractionCtrlOff 2 ай бұрын
Spent a psychotic amount of time polishing this so y'all would be disappointed least as possible, so someone noticing that is mad love ppreciate you
@holograms2367
@holograms2367 2 ай бұрын
new sub i love the pov and quality .
@smalltowndodge9477
@smalltowndodge9477 2 ай бұрын
This is awesome please post more exactly like this
@rev..1293
@rev..1293 2 ай бұрын
yoooo i love this type of content, keep going!!!
@HighResolutionFam
@HighResolutionFam 2 ай бұрын
Fire transition starting the vid no cap bro 💪🏽💯
@47Mufasa
@47Mufasa 2 ай бұрын
I love new edges, ive had 3, an 03, an 02, and an 01
@Setnieksss
@Setnieksss 2 ай бұрын
That mustang sounds amazing. I'm from the EU and we rarely see or hear a v8 on the streets, at least in my country bc they tax us for bigger engines.
@popaigang7708
@popaigang7708 2 ай бұрын
New sub from Bosnia, stay safe bro 🦍🤝
@kapothegod
@kapothegod 2 ай бұрын
does this have any gears in the rear end??
@adamvalle6005
@adamvalle6005 2 ай бұрын
for your mirror spray silicone or wd-40 on the black bracket attached to the mirror, firmly grip the mirror and slide and push down till it covers the entire silver bracket on the windshield and to make sure it is secure shake the mirror side to side and if there is no free play your done. if there is wobble/free play then u would have to take off the mirror from the windshield (*how you take the mirror off is by firmly grabbing the mirror's spine or what connects the actual mirror to the bracket and just pull down*) grab a pair of pliers to squeeze the sides of the bracket on the mirror that slide onto the windshield not too much not too little just till it is snug or tight to the point where you can no longer slide the mirror down no more than a 1/4 way down, then u would spray wd40 or silicone as a lubricant and put the mirror on the windshield because u should not be able to put that mirror on the windshield (dry) especially any ford mirrors that have that specific mirror bracket. **make sure not to apply to much pressure when putting the mirror on because you absolutely can and will break the windshield if you apply to much pressure.**
@trevorellis8472
@trevorellis8472 2 ай бұрын
mustang sounds so good bro gained a sub !!
@lethalhotbox3778
@lethalhotbox3778 7 күн бұрын
Fr
@Varlooo
@Varlooo 2 ай бұрын
everybody hates on SN's (not the new edge as MUCH but the point still stands) but they're probably one of the coolest mustang gens I've ever seen. They're fasholy the ugly middle child of Mustangs but they're so much fun. Plus 4.6's just sound so unique. I miss my SN now 😭
@takethekeyboard
@takethekeyboard 2 ай бұрын
Terminator Cobra one of the greatest Mustangs ever made. Sound, looks, and name. I'm not even a Ford or Mustang guy but I make an exception for that and the Ford GT
@shanewalters3230
@shanewalters3230 2 ай бұрын
Just got me a 01 gt I love it👌
@oglvche
@oglvche 2 ай бұрын
cool ass video! definitely my type especially w the funny lil captions
@takethekeyboard
@takethekeyboard 2 ай бұрын
Keep it up dude, looks like your channel is taking off! Love to see that
@robsgotit1
@robsgotit1 2 ай бұрын
This gas station situation is mind blowing to me. Where was this? And is this normal?
@lilcountry6154
@lilcountry6154 2 ай бұрын
Awesome content 💪💪
@SnowStang4L
@SnowStang4L 2 ай бұрын
What do you use to record? GoPro?
@ClutchBeatz
@ClutchBeatz 2 ай бұрын
what do you edit on ?
@tysonbovis3141
@tysonbovis3141 2 ай бұрын
Your car is designed to have constant air flowing through the radiator to cool the system down, when your stuck in traffic like you where at the petrol station, your fans turn on to compensate for the lose of airflow if they didn't kick in your car would start to over heat right there on the spot
@juniorromero4126
@juniorromero4126 2 ай бұрын
for a 4.6 respect
@sway329
@sway329 2 ай бұрын
Whats done to your GT?
@That1GS
@That1GS 8 күн бұрын
the fans coming on with the car is normal, my eclipse does it to, only takes a couple minutes to reach operating temp
@jamesipock3669
@jamesipock3669 2 ай бұрын
Get a firewall adjuster for your clutch cable to eliminate chirping.
@garethg3514
@garethg3514 2 ай бұрын
Throw out Bearing squeek is pretty normal in these manual cars man, mine does it too and all of my driveline components are new. I wouldn't worry about it as long as the clutch is operating nicely.
@AllenSAshley
@AllenSAshley 2 ай бұрын
My 99 gt stared squeezing and within a day the throw out bearing exploded 🤷
@garethg3514
@garethg3514 2 ай бұрын
@@AllenSAshley Damn bro that sucks
@franko8572
@franko8572 Ай бұрын
*Why do you blur the speedometer?*
@Vapor3v
@Vapor3v 2 ай бұрын
Ay bro absolutely loved the video and I like how you talk an pov not enough people do this a your having fun bro keep up the work I wanna Make vids just like this is this a GoPro?
@KvrbinTv
@KvrbinTv 2 ай бұрын
Where you from man, and I can tell we have the same exhaust,closest I’ve heard to my gt! Great vid👍🏻
@iitoqqle7411
@iitoqqle7411 2 ай бұрын
Cannot wait until I get myself a new edge
@user-ce8nr4mm2p
@user-ce8nr4mm2p 2 ай бұрын
A what
@iitoqqle7411
@iitoqqle7411 2 ай бұрын
@@user-ce8nr4mm2p a New Edge mustang
@jayschneider1063
@jayschneider1063 2 ай бұрын
My old accord coupe did that to sn95 mustangs all the time with just a tune and intake
@brianlatimer6420
@brianlatimer6420 2 ай бұрын
Finally you posted again! And crazy question are you a manual swap??
@TractionCtrlOff
@TractionCtrlOff 2 ай бұрын
Valid question g nah bought it manual so not to my knowledge, I know the no shiftboot throws people off tho If I remember correctly og shiftboot was in pretty bad condition And the oem steering wheel even more so
@trackdaypro
@trackdaypro 2 ай бұрын
What editing software do u use also how do u do blur the road signs like that? Looks clean dude💯
@TractionCtrlOff
@TractionCtrlOff 2 ай бұрын
Honored I've reached someone from the editing technicality side of youtube, for noticing that I salute you sir but Adobe premiere pro - gaussian blur effect. Then increase feather value so the blur masks aren't so blocky. Tbh there's so much more to it but that's the gist of it. I've been lowkey thinking about making a vid on it so these dudes who drive way crazier don't f themselves but it's such a long complicated tedious process I doubt anyone would have the patience to follow through. Not knocking on their ability to do it too, like this video for that process alone I'd say easily exceeds 24 manhours🤮
@yinzblade
@yinzblade 2 ай бұрын
i feel like ik you irl just from these vids
@LukeplaysTV
@LukeplaysTV 2 ай бұрын
miss my new edge sounded so good with just borla atak cat back, one time i was racing and i hit a bump and was going like 100+ and fucking the car shut off xD bro the city you are driving in, on the bridge at 12:05 is somthing i dream of, i live in a small town by some mountains so driving where you are seems sick
@lunara9158
@lunara9158 Ай бұрын
ISF is my dream daily
@luthermoore2969
@luthermoore2969 2 ай бұрын
The 4.6 2v may be the best sounding v8 ford has ever made.
@sigmamale4147
@sigmamale4147 2 ай бұрын
2v 😂😂😂😂
@47Mufasa
@47Mufasa 2 ай бұрын
13:31 I had the same noise on my car, its the throwout bearing, got a new clutch and the car sounded 100% better, I have a video of the same noise when idling on my ig
@EvanTro17
@EvanTro17 2 ай бұрын
hahah awh sandy at the end all i stayed for lamo jk great vid!
@eaturmeatornopuddin
@eaturmeatornopuddin 2 ай бұрын
Is that a 96,95 ford mustang 5spd????😊
@FailsAndFightsFNF
@FailsAndFightsFNF 2 ай бұрын
I love your content! I'm partnered with TheAdrenalineDealer and we'd like to share your content across our platforms with credit to you!
@zackhines2071
@zackhines2071 2 ай бұрын
Bro you seem to be in the PA area. Get that 93 dog. That go fast juice
@brandonruhl4525
@brandonruhl4525 2 ай бұрын
itS DesiGned tO run 87
@kamistake
@kamistake 2 ай бұрын
hell fucking yeah
@quiltfps
@quiltfps 2 ай бұрын
nice video
@Randomperson-ie6bm
@Randomperson-ie6bm 2 ай бұрын
what year?
@malijgt
@malijgt 2 ай бұрын
Don’t stop making vids please
@infelicitas
@infelicitas Ай бұрын
Oof can't pump your own gas? that must be rough man :/... You should come to florida 😉
@taekobain
@taekobain Ай бұрын
needa new video asap 🔥🔥
@bradwhite4827
@bradwhite4827 2 ай бұрын
This fella needs a 4 valve!👍
@TractionCtrlOff
@TractionCtrlOff Ай бұрын
I'm no detective... but man do I got a strong feeling this video woulda looked a whole lot different if that were the case🤣👍
@Broncofivepointslow
@Broncofivepointslow 2 ай бұрын
Is this nj/ny? Ill run you with my 2v lol
@dougsexton2512
@dougsexton2512 Ай бұрын
Makes me remember why i sold my new edge,all bark and no bite my feista 1.6 ecoboost will walk all over this,buddy has a supercharged new edge and will not touch the little 1.6 :)
@mykdobbs724
@mykdobbs724 2 ай бұрын
bro push that dam car i go harder on my 07 goin to work
@imtiazahmed2147
@imtiazahmed2147 2 ай бұрын
beutfiul fucking car gahhhh damnnn come bakc to NYC soon
@KeliiWhite
@KeliiWhite 2 ай бұрын
Yo what's the music that plays at 3:03 - 5:38 I actually don't mind it
@TractionCtrlOff
@TractionCtrlOff 2 ай бұрын
Not sure about the second one but search Sprinter (karma remix). Car made it sound like poo but it's a certified banger
@KeliiWhite
@KeliiWhite 2 ай бұрын
@@TractionCtrlOff thank you
@danychris6671
@danychris6671 2 ай бұрын
How often you change the water pump,fuel pump?
@BestBud-hr3tu
@BestBud-hr3tu 2 ай бұрын
When it stops working.....
@plaguedvontae
@plaguedvontae 2 ай бұрын
off that intro your getting a like
@plaguedvontae
@plaguedvontae 2 ай бұрын
fuck it subbed
@TractionCtrlOff
@TractionCtrlOff 2 ай бұрын
🤣🤣Finally FINALLY someone mentioned the intro shi goes hard asf lowkey ngl Ngl just been replaying that shi over and over last couple days💀
@TractionCtrlOff
@TractionCtrlOff 2 ай бұрын
I just wish yall could hear the main melody more during the drop but my car too damn loud🗣 I raised the track but couldn't too much because audio literally started clipping A like more than suffices for this video and is way more justifiable but u funny ash glad to have u wit us
@bryangiles7106
@bryangiles7106 2 ай бұрын
Bro what is that exhaust setup 😫
@TractionCtrlOff
@TractionCtrlOff 2 ай бұрын
🤣Will make a walkaround video eventually. Lmao it was one of the first things I addressed in my older videos, only had like 20 vids and ppl kept asking for the setup😂 Why I can't just lyk by reply is complicated but I promise it's for y'alls benefit I promise (I don't want y'all wasting da monies🗿)
@devin1808
@devin1808 Ай бұрын
Sounds like slp to me
@oppsasleep
@oppsasleep Ай бұрын
how many miles that have on it😭
@grayscalemotorsports
@grayscalemotorsports Ай бұрын
I remember commenting on your videos a couple years ago, I did not expect you take this route of dangerous street racing after you were sliding your car around some. I really hope you decide to take it to the track before you get a criminal speeding or reckless driving ticket, or worse!
@deltaosceralfa
@deltaosceralfa 2 ай бұрын
MONICAAAAAAAA
@ihdjerry0229
@ihdjerry0229 2 ай бұрын
18:35 i feel that handbrake pull not locking the wheels lmaoo my car's the same(it's a way worse car tho)
@gravigus
@gravigus 2 ай бұрын
those second gen IS models dont slow down LOL
@nikolasvenetidis9608
@nikolasvenetidis9608 2 ай бұрын
pushing limits on 87?
@anthonyrowland9072
@anthonyrowland9072 2 ай бұрын
Why do people swap steering wheels? They just wanna eat metal Momo in a crash?
@ikaros4203
@ikaros4203 2 ай бұрын
For better control and looks. U wanna eat 20 year old first generation airbags? If they even work? Or randomly explode over bumps… had that happen on my 90s car….
@ClutchBeatz
@ClutchBeatz 2 ай бұрын
they pump your gas at coscto lol mine is self serve
@dryden5385
@dryden5385 2 ай бұрын
does bro have 1 million miles
@hake5017
@hake5017 2 ай бұрын
this ain't authentic til you play free bird
@BeamerTheFox
@BeamerTheFox Ай бұрын
i know you can drive an all, just be careful man, i see you shake alot in the hands going fast, never second guess yourself while at speed.
@ChieffinOnReefer
@ChieffinOnReefer 2 ай бұрын
I can’t speak for the 4.6 but I know the 5.0 does the whole dash and I was on shitty ass dry rotted tires 😂 ima post the video
@DEATHWISHVQ
@DEATHWISHVQ 2 ай бұрын
I think I’m the only person who thinks that “4K” iPhone mode looks absolutely atrocious, that focus is so exaggerated. But cool vid.
@garfield50096
@garfield50096 2 ай бұрын
3 months
@psycho3v345
@psycho3v345 2 ай бұрын
Mines almost 20 years old 🙂 she getting old 😢
@user-wm3fc1sk1p
@user-wm3fc1sk1p 2 ай бұрын
Wrong chassis to be doing this stuff. Your driving is very tame/ chill so you may not run into issues but just a heads up...
@danielallen5181
@danielallen5181 14 күн бұрын
why did u speed up young going fast
@user-jy7ed5ox9t
@user-jy7ed5ox9t 2 ай бұрын
sometimes, i want to live in america to just have fast access to cheap v8 monsters.. here in russia you have a shit ton of jdm but not the muscle ones. 1uz is the closest it can get for an american freedom in russia :(
@TractionCtrlOff
@TractionCtrlOff 2 ай бұрын
Crazy u say that bc my dad when I was little had a 1995 lexus ls400 (1uz). Thing had a exhaust leak and sounded bitchin when you revved it, we should have never sold it. But hey man you can rest easy knowing even these older v8s aren't cheap over here anymore either🤣📈👎 Anyone reading watching outside of the states much love
@user-jy7ed5ox9t
@user-jy7ed5ox9t 2 ай бұрын
@@TractionCtrlOff really? I thought is400s were like 3k max
@takethekeyboard
@takethekeyboard 2 ай бұрын
​@user-jy7ed5ox9t Those cars are actually still slept on, so yeah you can find then fairly cheap still. But the older domestic cars I think he means, have gone up these days
@E46Quay
@E46Quay 2 ай бұрын
Let’s collab bro looks like you’re in Charlotte.
@FLINTmitten810
@FLINTmitten810 2 ай бұрын
That ain’t Charlotte bro lol that’s like Jersey or NYC
@E46Quay
@E46Quay 2 ай бұрын
@@FLINTmitten810 😂
@williamcubbin620
@williamcubbin620 26 күн бұрын
87 is crazy other buhl in the comments is right your car will run a lot better you dead ass you can feel it and you will get better gas mileage too it sounds dumb I know but you will see I put 93 in every car I own and no bs you can feel the difference
@johndoe-ur9rt
@johndoe-ur9rt 2 ай бұрын
bruh is that fucking route 10
@toddgoulart6961
@toddgoulart6961 2 ай бұрын
My gt says premium unleaded 91
@user-bw9je4uq7w
@user-bw9je4uq7w 2 ай бұрын
gas isn't running out. its a natural resource that is made by Mother earth and Mother Earth will always produce. believe
@demarkisdinkins7044
@demarkisdinkins7044 2 ай бұрын
87 full my boy get out the car immediately 93 or up if you ever plan on modding
@ADIOS-bj6yk
@ADIOS-bj6yk 2 ай бұрын
yo does that shit have 1 million miles????
@BrysonCade
@BrysonCade 2 ай бұрын
Ford has weird odometers it’s just 104,000
@jamilsabbatt9942
@jamilsabbatt9942 Ай бұрын
Wait yall dont pump your own gas ??
@user-fu1eg1tx5e
@user-fu1eg1tx5e 2 ай бұрын
i was your 400 follower
@RJ_Slidez619
@RJ_Slidez619 2 ай бұрын
Bro disappointed me putting 87 and not 91/93
@writehse
@writehse 2 ай бұрын
Chill, 87 is probably what was recommended in his manual.
@Aden_lr
@Aden_lr 2 ай бұрын
Stock gt can run 87
@carsonjulvezan4031
@carsonjulvezan4031 2 ай бұрын
thats what its tuned for
@bignastystinky
@bignastystinky 2 ай бұрын
i fw the 4th gen stang a LOT, that ISF was sleek as hell too
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